but they did it as openly and frankly as possible, that is, in this situation, i did not have time to look at the versions promoted by pro-russian anonymous telegram channels, but the fact that it is included in the well-known russian phrase horror, horror, horror, then i am practically in it i have no doubt, that's why we have to look at it, we have to cooperate accordingly. and we must interact so that they understand, our enemies understand, that ukraine maintains its internal numbers, despite what they are trying to do here. well, and we remember, mr. yevgeny, how the kgb used to be of the soviet union destroyed those who fought for ukrainian independence on the territory of germany and not only germany, and bandera was shot, and well, we remember. all these

stories, how, how, how it all developed in the mid-50s, when the kgb of the soviet union destroyed the opponents of the soviet government, well, in this situation, we can talk about the opponent of the russian regime, irina farion, we will wait for new news, appeared only information that the st. panteleimon hospital of the first medical association of lviv confirmed that... around 8 p.m. department brought a woman with a firearm with a gunshot wound, she is in intensive care, her condition is serious, well, this is the information now, god bless, now irina farion is healthy, of course, and for the doctors to do their job, mr. yevgeny, one more topic, what is this ... was updated last week

by zelensky himself, this is a change, personnel changes in the government, everyone is talking about these changes, if i am not mistaken, since april or, maybe even since march, everyone is waiting for some changes, everyone is waiting for some restructuring, some kind of government center should be created or god knows what, or the resignation or change of the same denys shmyhal to yuliya svorodenko the first. vice-prime minister, will in some way affect the effectiveness of the government's work, and in this situation the name of the prime minister is of no importance, considering that both the government and the verkhovna rada, in fact, they are structures, who clearly perform the tasks of five or six managers of zelenskyi. yes, you are right in your question, mr. sergey. i think the change. zelensky's managers, they can,

it can affect changes much more effectively. i will say that the country is in to the current situation, when it does not demonstrate completeness, to say changes that i do not expect from it. that is, we do not have any extraordinary steps. the country, unfortunately, is enough... consistently in the sphere of executive power it follows the path of its cosplaying of russia, that is , down to the little things, well, for example, the bill on additional taxes on sweet drinks, you see, this is exactly the topic that is very it is good to consider during the heat, however, it is very necessary,

instead of dealing with the liberalization of the economy, to create at least the conditions to restore which would have existed at the beginning of a large-scale russian invasion, in order for small and medium-sized businesses to save jobs, in order for small and medium-sized businesses to work more efficiently, we are seeing an administrative screw-up, i cannot understand how this is happening, what. .. the ideologue of tax changes and transformations, danil hetmantsev, who was syvkovich’s assistant, who is actually officially declared one of the heads of russian intelligence structures on the territory of ukraine, he forms the tax policy in ukraine, well, honestly, honestly, i i can't understand it, we don't have others, well, about... just us, you see, if we

want to shorten the path of victory, and not extend it, then we have to create a government of victory, and not just change everyone's clothes. in ala military ottroi and pretend that this is some meeting of yanks at the court of king arthur, but it is not. i understand that these people like themselves more, but stalin, for example, was not only french in the soviet union, right? and there was some kind of administrative system that punished and punished a lot of people people we are now faced with the fact that... there is simply no active work that could show that the country is acting out of the ordinary, acting in a way that is not expected of us by our, first of all, our enemies, our friends, our

partners, they quite often they look, let's say, with understanding at our mistakes, but our enemies will not see our mistakes, believe me, absolutely definitely, well, considering... in general, the draft laws that the verkhovna rada considered this week, and about clock hands, summer time, winter time, and raising excise taxes on fuel, when the whole state is sitting on generators, raising excise taxes on fuel, well, it looks a little like this, to put it mildly, it is not unreasonable, the servant of the people faction already has 333 people's deputies left, this is another news, already today, 233, i said 300, well, sorry, 233, happiness is not a constitutional majority, but it is fortunate, yes, because people's deputy yuliya yasyk, who tried several times to leave the servants

of the people faction, finally, finally, they accepted her statement about leaving, because she has already written a statement about exit, starting from the 22nd year. she explained her decision, so let's listen, i am the very deputy who raised the issue of embezzlement of humanitarian aid by kyril tymoshenko, officials of the office of the president, the governor, at that time starukh, zlatina, krasovo, all these wagons, humanitarian trucks and sea containers. well, of course, i didn't like it, and in general, i take my own position, i have my own opinion about... draft laws, i study them and i don't vote on instructions, i'm not a button, as they say, well, the green buttons start run away already, sir yevgeny, what according to you, all the processes that are happening inside there testify, do

they feel that very soon it will all end, or it will end very soon for someone more specifically, in fact, the main question for us should be when.. .the war will end, not the current parliamentary convocation. the fact that we now have a fairly one-time parliament will be part of the next convocation. an update, but before these parliamentary elections we need to... live, i will say without personality, because i remember too well how in 2019 it was possible to lead any biological being under the slogan of a team from, albeit in a majority district, i don't want to go over the staff, it's not interesting, i want our

kirmanich, they should watch, if not espresso, because there is no such opportunity for that on television, then you see it in the media. i want to say that in the current situation the best way out is to announce the growth of the monomajority and to announce the creation of a majority victory, which can be completely constitutional, but under it a package of clear bills is needed that will allow us to quickly make decisions, work, work, well, just act as quickly as possible, we all need this, you understand, we are in a state of war on. .. the strength of the enemy, who is more powerful than us, is very important, we cannot afford any mistakes in this matter. it is strange to me that people who have, let's say, 5 years of office, staying in power, some of them

significantly improved their financial situation, and i think we still know everything about this improvement, they allow themselves things that... lead to the discredit of ukraine as such, thank you, this is actually a very sad moment for everyone, thank you, mr. yevgeny , we have to go off the air, it was yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. glory to ukraine, dear tv viewers, on espresso tv channel, studio west program , we will analyze the most important events of this week, in particular, we will try to predict how the american and therefore global politics as a result of the no longer ephemeral coming to power of donald trump in the united states. our guests today are matthew bryza and andriy pionkovskyi. now on the air. bryza, former adviser to the secretary of state of the united states, former

director of european and eurasian affairs at the us national security council. glory to ukraine, dear mr. ambassador, glad to see you. fame is a hero, it's a day. well, assassinations, an attempt on candidate donald trump. we understand that there are much more questions in this story than it appears first glance, but the key story is how it can affect more than just the internal. american stability, how it can affect global world politics and, in particular, the russian-ukrainian war, we understand that now donald trump, thanks to his injured ear, he now feels almost the winner of the race, and this also worries us, because the current president the united states can act as a so-called lame duck, this is a dangerous situation primarily for ukraine. i think that the influence of zamu. will not be long with in terms of the sympathy he would evoke among american voters. so the immediate

effect, of course, is to galvanize trump supporters. and i think he probably caught the attention of a lot of undecided voters by looking so strong and determined, but the real problem is the weakness of president biden, the physical and mental weakness, who is now unfortunately suffering from the coronavirus. i think that... after the debate with donald trump, biden appears to americans to be too physically weak to do his job, or even win an election. and i think that's how it is. as long as biden remains the democratic nominee, i think it's almost 100% certain that donald trump will be the next president, and the democrats still have some time to either nominate another candidate, like camila harris, she's the most obvious, or hold short ones that... like mini primaries where multiple democratic candidates could compete against each other and try to become the nominee,

but that would require president biden agreed to resign. so, again, to sum it all up, the assassination of trump got him some short-term support, but i think in a few weeks people will forget about the assassination and all they 'll remember is that trump seems much stronger physically and mentally than ba. yes, i agree, both candidates are, so to speak, not of the first political freshness, but the situation can be, well, just kidding, critical for ukraine, so we already have a new vice president of the united states, and we understand that he was not one of the sympathizers of ukraine. donald trump promises to offer his plan, donald trump's plan will always rest on what and who rules in the kremlin, so it is very much. very difficult situation, but as you see the unfolding of the current

situation, when we are talking about the ukrainian issues and the russian-ukrainian war in the united states, that is, these are now extremely hot, extremely hot months, they can be decisive, and putin never it will not miss this window of opportunity. yes, sorry, forgot to answer to this question. first, from the cautiously optimistic side, it is important, very carefully. look at what vice-presidential candidate jd vance had to say about russia's war against ukraine and the nato alliance. the good news is that j.d. vance, unlike president trump, has never questioned the importance or value of the nato alliance, nor has he ever said that he does not want ukraine to win the war, or that he wants russia did not lose. he didn't say such things. his main argument was that the united states should not... provide disproportionately large aid to ukraine , far more than

the us's european allies, because european allies live next door to ukraine, he argues that if european allies had continued to spend on post-cold war defense at the same rate they have for the past 30 years , they spent, according to him , about 8,600 million dollars more on defense than they spent. and so he claims that if the us spends about 1 trillion dollars a year on defense, and the europeans in general lag behind by 8.6 trillion dollars, then they have to catch up, or... in other words, they have to catch up with the us, but in any case, it's clear that jd vance will support president trump's position on ukraine. yes, trump has repeatedly said that even before he takes office, he will essentially put pressure on both sides to push for a ceasefire, regardless of whether that means

ukraine having to give up the territory it has been occupying russia, and you know trump has obviously always... had sympathy for vladimir putin, as well as other strongmen of this world, such as viktor orban. it is currently unknown what exactly is included in trump's plan, but orbán, as we know, visited trump right after the nato summit, saying afterwards that he was aware of trump's plan, and so orbán went to meet with putin. it looks like orbán is trying to play some sort of intermediary role in the implementation of trump's plan, but the bottom line is that if trump wins, we definitely won't see that level. support, like $60 billion, which was ultimately acceptable to ukraine. well, that's it cool, we in ukraine would really hate to be cheated by big and powerful world players. we understand that the issue of the russian- ukrainian war is not only a bilateral russian-ukrainian issue, it is an issue around which the whole world is currently working, only a large part of that world, unfortunately,

can support putin, and accordingly, as we rightly do now to make sure that we... are not exchanged by those people who will support this plan of viktor orban. in fact, this plan is most likely agreed upon in moscow and beijing it is not easier for us in ukraine because of that, and we just have to survive and win. and actually, i would like to ask you what is the danger of the so-called plan of viktor orbán and whether there are prospects in general for this plan to be pushed through, promoted, imposed on ukraine by those environments that... maybe connected with trump, may not be related, but with orbán's plan being so much talked about in various cabinets, the european union completely rejecting it, that means it could be some kind of trade offer from kremlin. orbán has not announced publicly what exactly his plan contains, but it can be assumed that it will be a kind of ceasefire, under which

ukraine will definitely have to give up some territory, maybe i don't know, it might be something like the so-called. the istanbul proposal in march 22, according to which, as if ukraine agreed to remain neutral, never to join nato, russian troops would have to withdraw their units from the territory they had occupied since the full-scale invasion, and the future status of crimea and donbas will be determined in the future. this was a preliminary offer. i don't know what's in orbán's proposal, but it's basically a no- brainer. i don't want to sound impolite, but i will say that viktor. orban is nothing in this matter, he is just the leader of a small central european country. he has no authority. charles michel, the president of the european council, came out and said the same thing. he said that orbán has no authority. the legal department of the eu stated that orbán violates eu policies and rules of the european union and eu legislation. therefore, he has no

authority to negotiate on behalf of anyone. and, as charles michel also said, nothing can be solved. that ukraine is without ukraine, so orbán's plan does not matter, it will only become relevant if trump is elected, who will accept it and try to impose it on ukraine, but i do not think that the european allies of the us are like this, and how this difference of opinion between, say, donald trump's washington on the one hand, and brussels, paris and rome, for example, and then london, on the other hand, will be drawn. i cannot predict at this time. but i personally think that orbán's plan means nothing if trump does not support it, and orbán just makes it clear that he is not a friend of the transatlantic family. yes, i agree with you, but on the other hand, everyone is aware that orbán does not play, orbán as orbán, he does not play any important role, yes, here i completely agree with you, but he is

an emissary, he brought what what was agreed in moscow and possibly in beijing, i don't even fully understand. yes, because the istanbul ones are so called agreements or negotiations, to be more precise, yes, well , they were based on the fact that russia withdraws its troops from our newly occupied ukrainian territories, yes, and the crimea issue is pushed aside somewhere, well, and accordingly, the complete disarmament of ukraine, but putin is now returning to the so-called istanbul negotiations, but completely changes them, actually changes them and brings them to an absolutely absurd kind of appearance, is that they are going to annex those territories that they have not even captured, that is , putin's current talks about a new istanbul, so they completely irrelevant to what was said then and so on, we understand that putin is playing his game, and the current situation for him is just a new platform that he wants to land on, after

donald trump might become president, that is, i see exactly this unfolding of the current situation. i completely agree with you, if we recall the istanbul statement of march 2022, then the main representative of ukraine at the negotiations said that he was ready... already on the spot to accept a compromise, but his the russian counterpart had to go back to moscow to get approval, which he never got, so now putin is lying as usual and pretending that russia was ready to accept the previous wording. now, as you just said, mr. borkovsky, putin is not even talking about the original istanbul wording, but about his method of action. in an interview with tucker cartson, putin said something incredibly outrageous, especially for such an american from poland. rooted like me, he said that poland attacked russia or the soviet union in september 1939, i.e. again completely twisting the story like

with katyn, so he does it again. putin is acting as if ukraine should have agreed to the annexation of these territories, which russia did not even occupy, and is trying to appear peaceful, hoping to create the necessary momentum with the help of orban's emissary, and yet, i think ... that he will not succeed, the truth is sides of ukraine. one more thing about orban. for many years, his foreign policy was based on special relations, including economic and currency relations, both with moscow and beijing. former a senior hungarian official responsible for this policy told me that they didn't want to talk about it publicly, but it was something they did with their hands. to a large extent, this is simply money flowing to orbán, not principled. politics, dear mr. ambassador bryza, and what are the prospects for holding the so-called second peace summit, yes, we understand that the kremlin says one thing publicly, behind the scenes they

send other signals, so there is a feeling that one or another indirect negotiations between the main capitals of the world are ongoing, yes , well, no i wanted it to be at the expense of ukraine, but in any case, there are prospects for a successful second peace summit, something like the one from... in switzerland, but with a very specific fixation of certain parameters. i don't think it has any prospects at all if success means a deal that ukraine will accept. i remember how worried i was during trump's first presidency, when it was obvious that he was trying to reach a deal with putin behind ukraine's back, which was some kind of compromise, maybe like istanbul statements, in exchange for some cooperation from putin in the... there is always the danger that if trump is elected, he will try to make such a deal with putin without consulting ukraine, but at the peace summit it will definitely not happen,

it is a deal that does not correspond interests of ukraine, and it is obvious to me that as an organization the european union and the vast majority of its member states do not want ukraine to be forced to end the war as a result of the peace summit, if it is not ready for it yet. there will be some pressure in this direction. if there is another such peace agreement with on the part of some participants, but i do not think that the european union and nato support forcing ukraine to end the war without liberating its territories on its own terms. dear mr. ambassador bryza, what is the right thing for ukraine, our president, our ukrainian government to do in the current situation? so? well, because we understand that donald trump is not donald trump himself. and it's not even the republicans. we understand that the republican party of the united states has very different approaches, so donald trump is boris johnson, yes, and elon musk recently met with him, and in general, he

represents a certain economic and global environment, so we understand that he will voice certain things, maybe on his own, maybe it will be some kind of collective decision, collective showed a certain political will, i really would not like donald trump to say, listen, you are in ukraine, i will give you... i will give you two or three months to negotiate something with the russians, otherwise i will not give you help, yes we understand that not to give ukraine help is to drive a wedge into us back, that is, the situation is unpleasant, but taking into account how trump can conduct negotiations, this can happen, and therefore it is necessary to act as soon as possible. first, boris johnson doesn't really have any influence because donald trump has all the power, even elon musk can... be the richest man in the world and have more followers on twitter or x than anyone else, but he has none real political power, so now

he has decided to support... the course of donald trump. trump is the one who will make decisions in the united states government. and he can really do exactly what you mention. in my opinion, ukraine can continue to do what it is doing, but perhaps it should be stated more clearly: we are a sovereign country with a democratically elected leadership. therefore, dear mr. trump, if the united states, god forbid, were attacked by mexico, canada, or anyone else, you would insist on the right to fight. how much will be necessary to restore your territorial integrity. at some point , the ukrainian leadership will need to make a clear statement about this. at the same time, of course, ukraine must win on the battlefield. yes, we, the us and europe, must provide the promised weapons systems, but ukraine definitely needs more soldiers on the battlefield, which is a very difficult domestic political issue in ukraine. so, i would advise ukraine, and

i, too, to speak clearly... and b) win on the battlefield and continue to put pressure on the usa and europe. pressure europe, in particular, because trump and owens are actually right that europe has for too long not spent enough on its own defense and has relied on the united states to bear a burden which is essentially a huge tax imposed on the united states by its allies. president zelensky would be wise to find a way to strengthen this argument. usa. have done a lot for us, but europe, maybe trump is right, you also need to do more, if president zelensky made such an argument, trump might be more favorable to him in case of his re-election. well, i recently spoke with the former marshal of the polish senate, bohdan borusewicz, and when i said that the european union, well, it fit, for them to give more money, yes, because there is a situation that can become critical after the arrival

of trump and after he... will conduct his negotiations, well, to which borusevich said yes, well, we understand that the united states is still richer and their budgets are bigger, that is, this is a story, and donald trump, i don’t think that he will come up with a new scheme, newer than what i will announce now, that is, he will say to our official kyiv: listen, you have to do so-and-so, or i will not give it to you, he will say to the russians: listen, you must enter into negotiations, otherwise we will give ukraine additional lethal weapons. and maybe we will allow to strike deep into russian territory, not 100 km, 500 or 1000 km, this will generally raise the stakes, but knowing, for example, putin, he will simply, i don’t know, conduct another ballistic or training, tactical or non-tactical nuclear weapons, after that we will be on the threshold of the caribbean crisis, after that everything will go down, the level of stakes and the level of aggression, but i fear that all this will happen at our expense, i do not

i see about... that putin is ready to concede something, maybe i'm wrong. returning to the comment of the ex-speaker of the polish senate, it should be noted that it does not completely cover the whole picture. the economy of the united states is not as large as that of the european union. the european union has a stronger economy. the problem is that member states have decided not to have large defense budgets like the united states. this is exactly what trump is talking about. you have money. you just choose not to spend them on defense because you rely on us and our own welfare to cover your defense needs. so, european union, you need to use more money to take care of your own defense needs. that's the whole argument. if the polish politician does not interfere with this, it means that he does not really pay attention to the political realities that will come after the election of trump. how would putin react

to such a possible deal? this is what most likely would be trump's approach, although we don't know, probably we can analyze what what is happening now is what happened yesterday but predicting the future is very difficult and yet let's say this scenario were exactly like this, yes i agree that putin will be more threatening with nuclear weapons but i am less and less concerned, that these threats will work, as my former atlantic council colleague peter dickinson has written. in a recent article for the atlantic council. look at how putin behaves in the black sea. ukraine, in fact, having no fleet, destroyed or put out of power a third of the black sea fleet. and forced russia to withdraw such a large amount of it part from crimea back to russia. that now naval experts in great britain say that the black sea fleet is essentially no longer operational. putin has threatened nuclear retaliation if force is used.