to the humanitarian disaster, the destruction of electricity, you and i are still talking when a small part of our territory is without electricity, and i am without electricity, and we do not know how this situation will develop in the coming months and years, we do not know when in principle, not only do we not know in which decade the war will end, we do not know when ukraine will be able to restore its energy infrastructure, which means its economy, a normal standard of living, etc., all this is in the past and it is not known when it will be in future. and this is all russian work to ensure that the population generally understands that there is nothing for him to catch in this territory, he must flee, or we must look for such a government that capitulates to the russian federation, and russia will already provide everything, if not normal life in this territory , then normal life in magadan. well, this is one way, the second way is destabilization of intimidation, murder, creation of certain lines among the population. when

you destroy one or another well-known high-profile person, this is a flattering calculation, when they killed irina farion, well, we understand why, it was believed that ukrainians would quarrel among themselves precisely on this line, some would say: oh, she was a real eagle of the ukrainian language, and others would say, oh, she tarnished the russian language, and this once again says that... that russians who are organizing plans for a special operation to destabilize ukraine, they know us very poorly, because again, understand that we are united, despite political views from liberal to ultra-radal and ultra-conservative, the idea of ​​ukrainian statehood, because we understand that this is our common boat , they they just don't understand that no one will argue about the figure of iryna farion, everyone... will be overwhelmed with horror and dismay

at her death, at her such an insidious murder, that's all, but i really think that this destabilizing company will continue in the future, by and large, these are also completely logical things, but we always asked why it was not so destroyed in the winter of 2023, the 22nd of the 23rd year. energy infrastructure, as it is done now, but because the russians still hoped break into the territory where they are currently destroying the infrastructure, they believed that they would very quickly cover these territories with their power, and they did not want to spend extra rubles to restore their own energy infrastructure. now they have no idea if they will be able to control these territories at all, and thus they have no interest in conservation. infrastructure in this area,

that's all. previously, they did not need political assassinations, because they believed that they would solve the situation anyway, they just would enter and kill according to the lists already developed by the federal security service of the russian federation. now they understand that they will not go anywhere and therefore it is necessary to destroy people artificially, so to speak. by the way, many people always asked vladimir putin, what is denazification? this is it. the murder of iryna fariot. this is one of the moments of the denazification of ukraine, the physical destruction of people who express alternative views to the kremlin. is everything clear? i absolutely agree with you, because russia does not need to exist, to exist ukrainian national values, ukrainian politicians, ukrainian political forces, completely different, by the way, including with different views, but which... profess one

single goal: the preservation and prosperity of the ukrainian state, on behalf of the espresso tv channel, more once again, we express our condolences to the relatives and friends of mrs. iryna, iryna farion, and of course we will remember her achievements, her contribution to the creation of ukrainian cultural, informational and educational spaces. i would like to talk to you, mr. vitaly on one more topic, on the topic of security, on the topic of possible negotiations. by the way, one of, one of these, one of these interesting statements of mr. zelensky, this week in fact, he said that the war can be ended by the end of 2024, well, in particular, it was in one of his many interviews he... spoke

about the f-16, and about the end of the war, and about possible negotiations, but actually this phrase of his is very interesting, interesting and resonant, this is his... oven about what by the end of this year it is possible, conditionally speaking, somehow way to end the war, and here the question arises, more precisely, if we clarify, the hot stage of the war, not to end the war, but to end the hot stage of the war, and of course it all fits into the scenario that foreign experts and our experts, what is being actively... discussed is possible negotiations, possible initiatives by trump, orban. mr. vitaly, what , in your opinion, does mr. zelenskyi invest, actually, in understanding that, in understanding the end of the hot stage of the war by the end of

2024, and is it generally realistic, or this, or this real words, or are they empty words that will not have any real ones under them. action and the real plane? it seems to me that the main function of the president is to give people some hope, because we see that ukrainian society is living in the illusion of a quick end to the war all the time, and the authorities have supported this illusion practically since february 2022, and without explaining specifically how it can be to achieve not only a quick end to the war, but also an end to the war in general, the president himself clearly says: he said that commenting on the proposals of the former president of the united states, donald trump, that he is sure that ukraine cannot cede its territories, because this will not be the end of the war for it, but will be just a prelude to its

new recovery as soon as possible, this is the first, but i would say that even this is not the most important thing in the president's views on the end of the war. it seems to me that we... all the time we don't take into account what vladimir putin wants, and this is an important thing, we all the time discuss among ourselves, and it's childish talk, the situation as if we decide when to end the war, but putin sets us a goal, such, i would say, conditions that we must recognize crimea, donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions as parts of the russian federation, we must recognize neutral status. to carry out this demilitarization, denazification there, and if we do it, the war will end, and since we are proud people, we do not want to do it, then the war continues, and such an illusion is created that we have some option to end the war, by the way, which we

broadcast to the west in this way, which in fact, if we finished, we would want to an unjust end to the war, then the war would end, and we want... a just end to the war, and donald trump can tell us: listen, what is fair or unfair, soon you will not have any, you will not have a country, stop worrying about justice and injustice, accept these conditions that are put forward to you and end the war, we will figure it out later, and trump's advisers say that if you end the war on these conditions, we will arm you to the teeth so that they will be afraid to attack you, this is all fine talk , only these are conversations between us in our camp, so to speak. because even donald trump, despite all the infantilism of his political position, is also in our camp, not in the russian one, and he may have such an illusion that if he makes concessions, then war, hot stage, cold stage, whatever stage you want to finish, and i keep reminding, and this is an important thing, what

putin actually wants, just today, just a few hours before my broadcast, this broadcast of ours with you, i received a call from my... colleague, a well-known western journalist, one of the to tell a grande of world journalism, and she tells me: i read your text, what does putin want, i agree with you 100%, she is the author of many books about russia, but it is very strange that nobody in the west understands anything and it is impossible to explain it , and i clearly say in this text: putin wants the restoration of the russian empire, he needs the entire territory of ukraine, some crimea, donetsk, luhanka. kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, he is not interested in them at all, they are random territories, the first one just managed to capture it, but it could have captured it not kherson-zaporizka, conditionally speaking, kharkiv and mykolaiv, if otherwise the front would advance, and then he would insist on them, and kherson-zaporizka would be ukraine for him, that is

, these territorial claims are completely delusional, he needs to win in ukraine, so that he annexes the territory of ukraine, or to the russian state. or to the russian sphere of influence, because it opens a real path for him to restore the russian empire, and for russia to become one of the most important players in the modern world, that he was on an equal footing with trump and sydzenpin, even without the economic opportunities that china and the united states have, and by the way, i want to remind you again that this is not the first time in the history of russia, russia has always been poor state, that it was rich in the 19th century, when the russian cossacks went to paris, that it was a rich state, well, it had some natural resources, but in general it was poor, not scientific... it was called, the russian nobility spoke french language, they did not know

native, it was a secondary raw material state, they just traded wood, not oil, but it was the hegemon of europe, thanks to force, exclusively force, and because it was not afraid to use this force, because in it the price of human life was zero, in the time when the europeans were already thinking about this price, the russians had absolutely no need to think about it, and that is why the french who came there to the russian lands in 1812 were shocked by this, even napoleon, who never considered a soldier, was shocked by the fact that how russians feel about own, not to others, then it became a soviet tradition, that's all, so this is absolutely again, i am repeating logical problems, is it possible to achieve some kind of peace, some kind of negotiations with putin in such a situation? i do not see such possibilities, because i imagine that if donald trump and volodymyr zelenskyi , at the time of their conversation today, discussed some directions, perhaps

the achievement of peace, then without putin this peace cannot be achieved anyway, if they really think, relatively speaking, in someone's headquarters trump, that they can promise putin something and he will end the war, then i would advise them to start with hamas, well, practice on cats, let them promise something like that to hamas. it is less money that needs to be spent, it is a small area of ​​the gas sector, so that hamas agrees not to terrorize israel, to recognize israel’s right to exist, to agree that the palestinian state will not be within the borders of the entire mandated palestine of 1948, within the borders of at least the gas sector and the western the banks of the jordan river, let them say it, i want it to find out how much money donald trump can... pay them to agree to abandon their

real primary objective, the destruction of the jewish state, and how when he's convinced that somehow these gimmicks don't work, he can he will then start training on us, simply again, simply because less money is needed for the gas sector, and by the way, when the voslo agreements were signed, and when israeli troops, israeli... troops left the gas sector and there are no not a single israeli soldier remained, all of them then they said, i remember, i read recently in the israeli press that now the residents of the gas sector can build the united arab emirates on this territory, they are given a huge amount of money, ports, beaches, uh, and the jewish settlers left huge flower plantations, greenhouses, develops the economy, as you like, well, they spent all this money on terror infrastructure, on the purchase

of missiles, on the construction of workshops , the construction of missiles, on all this, because their goal is not to create a united arab emirates, don't sunbathe on the beach, no increase tourists, their goal is to destroy israel, such a great national task, and this task for them is more than money, vladimir putin also has a much more ambitious goal than hamas, restoration. empire, because he is sure, and the most terrible thing is that together with this, with him , the vast majority of his compatriots are sure that without the territory from uzhgorod to ashkabad, russia will be a third-rate state, and this is not fair, she agreed to the end of the cold war, she agreed with the fact that there will be no communism, she started a partnership with the west and whose retribution the west retaliated by tearing up its territory, cutting it alive, inventing some... ukraine, belarus, kazakhstan, no. this trick won't work with the russians anymore. they

will not allow themselves to be mocked. you want nuclear war, mr. trump, get a nuclear bomb on your old head. that's all for you. all their logic is the logic of such absolute, ardent, chauvinism. and this logic will be met not only by ukrainians, who will live in baseless illusions of the end of the war for many, many years to come. but there are americans who, after the election of trump , can call upon their heads... the third world war in all its glory, because i am sure that when donald trump offers putin favorable conditions in his opinion, and putin simply sends him to the ban, trump . so he doesn't give it to him, because he considers himself the first person in the world, and if he says: well, what putin doesn't want, let him take it to ukraine, he already understands the consequences, consequences not for europe, consequences for the asia-pacific region , because he will wake up in this way china. xidzenpin will decide that if trump behaves this way with putin, then he

will fear him even more. and there is another moment, i would say, a moment for... andrii, if you quarrel with russia, then you reconcile with russia, in some way, then you open up opportunities for cooperation with china, because you can to be such an illusion, but in reality, if this peace is shameful for the united states, you are only fueling chinese ambitions if you instead continue the confrontation. with russia, you only increase china's desire to help russia in this confrontation, because china knows for sure that if russia loses, then it's their joint loss, and if they win, it's their joint gain, and it's an absolutely, i would say, enchanted situation, but what we all think about china, not

only donald trump, ukrainians also think that, of course, they have a bad economic situation and customs. they will never take any desperate steps, because they will have a difficult situation, and they can be forced, interrupted, cooperate with russia and help her, this also an illusion, well, when you tell me, the members of the central committee of the communist party of china, economy was more important than ideology, when deng xiaoping, the actual founder of modern china, said that we need this black gut, which does not matter what color it is, let it just catch mice , he meant that any means are good for maintaining the power of the communist party of china, but who told us that this cat is exclusively the economy, and xi jinping is now not operating on the economy, but on the unification of the motherland, the reunification of the motherland , he is already following the same path followed by his

friend putin, his friend putin followed the path of economy until 2014, remember, we always told you, russians have never lived as well as under putin. it was true. if you look at the average salaries and pensions. in russia at that time, they are not comparable to the incomes of ordinary russians in any historical era. and the ukrainians were all delighted with what a rich and successful country russia had become. and vladimir putin was the most popular ukrainian flight. with a foreign one and all they said, i also heard, well, if putin is so interested in this preservation of the social standard of living of russians, he will no longer go to a confrontation with the west, he is not an idiot, but he was caught on the economic hook for this, now russia definitely cannot, she can there to be a country of governed democracy, but it cannot take any steps that would completely

destroy its relations with the civilized world, because it is important for putin to enter. in the life of russians as the most successful politician from the point of view of their standard of living, and then there was the year 2014, i am ending this thought now, and it turned out that the russians can be caught by another hook, the reunification of the lands, and that for many russians our crimea is more important than my pension, here's your answer, mr. vitaly, let's go back, actually you already mentioned it... before the conversation between zelenskyi and trump, for the first time in a long time such a conversation took place, they agreed to meet, to talk about peace, after the conversation with zelenskyi, trump announced that he promises to end the russian-ukrainian war, well, he has already said this more than once, in including

his speeches during the election campaign, this time he said it personally to volodymyr zelenskyi. well, you have already mentioned this topic, you have already talked about what is needed, including taking into account vladimir putin's position here. trump promises something to zelensky. mr. vitaly, do you think that these are trump's empty words, or does trump really count on the fact that he is there. some will make some concessions, but again, let's talk about the fact that trump said that he would end the russian-ukrainian war on ukrainian... terms, what could be the basis of these words, or i i repeat again, these are just another words of donald trump, which he can change in

a month, two, three or immediately, when he theoretically takes office as president, if he is elected, of course. i believe that the words of donald trump will not be supported by any real possibilities of the american president. but i think that until ... trump will try to implement it. the fact that donald trump is talking to volodymyr zelensky at all does not mean that he does not care about the russian-ukrainian war. and what he understands is that a large number of americans supports ukraine in this war. and on the eve of the presidential election in the united states, he doesn't want to ignore these people, because he understands that if he blatantly ignores these people, it could lead to, well, if you will, such a real, real, ... real loss of votes voters who could vote for him, you and i were talking about senator vance, the vice president, now

the republican candidate for vice president of the united states, he's from the state of ohio, yes, and that state has a large ukrainian diaspora who are generally known to vote republican, why should donald trump lose the votes of these people, he needs them to vote for trump and vance, vance zogai. if they are going to say that you didn’t want to support ukraine, well, if you didn’t want to, well, i wanted to, i talked to president zelenskyi, i promised that the war would end on ukrainian terms, i promised that i would come to kyiv, that i would still have to do, so this is the simple logic of the pre-election struggle, i believe that despite all the ambiguity of the a conversation between a sitting president and a former president, with a presidential candidate, this conversation has its merits. because it once again reminds of the need for bipartisan support for ukraine during the russian-ukrainian war. this bipartisan support is a sign that, despite

vladimir putin's long-term efforts, he will not succeed in realizing his goals of liquidating the ukrainian state. but regarding the fact that president trump will be able to end the war on ukraine's terms. it's just always important to me how he is going to influence not on zelensky, as i have already said, on putin, how president putin will listen to some of donald trump's demands, what can donald trump say and do now so that vladimir putin obediently agrees to end the war on ukrainian terms, and maybe, maybe to vladimir putin now... benefits from freezing the war, and relatively speaking, some period, at least a short one so that the war is not in a hot phase, maybe

donald trump is counting on this. of course, i believe that it is beneficial for vladimir putin to freeze the war on certain people terms, but on russian terms. the freezing of the war must take place on russian terms. ukraine must recognize itself as a defeated state. ugh. to start. and, by the way, former president dmitry medvedev is talking about this. let even them admit defeat, give up the territories, agree to our terms of all this demilitarization, de-nazification of neutral status and all that, and then we will come back and kill them in their beds, if you translate it, statements from bureaucratic language to reality , and they will be ready to freeze the war, when it will be an obvious humiliation of ukraine and the west, because it is a humiliation of ukraine and the west. they are freeing the hands of everyone, and russia, and china, and other countries that are going to bring the west to its knees in the coming years, and they are going to, and they will do it, in order to

change the world order, because this, as i have already said many times, it is not a war over ukraine, the ukrainian war is only one of the episodes of this struggle between democracies and dictatorships, which is happening now, in general this is a struggle to change the world order, to divide the world between spheres of influence, between democracies and dictatorships, and for... the west must clearly commit itself that it will not enter a world controlled by dictators, as it, by the way, did not intervene in the world that was left to stalin after the yalta conference, but simply watched as soviet tanks killed hungarians and czechs and slovaks, right? this is the kind of world that vladimir putin and sidzempin need, they will work diligently to build this world for the next ten years, that's why i say. that these decades will be decades of crises, he, tragedies, disappointments, catastrophes, if the west does not gather and strike a real blow, but it should not be an economic blow, it should be

a forceful blow against dictatorships, until the time for... will be afraid, he will suffer one defeat after another, and eventually people with dictatorial desires will come to power in the west as well. and what role can the newly elected, or rather not yet elected, but chosen by trump, potential vice president of the united states of america play here? jd vance. that is, this person, i think that the vice president of the united states , will not play any serious role at all, especially for trump. this is a beautiful figure to display. old candidate for president, young, president, vice president, but trump picks his team on the principle of don't stop me from working, i won't stop you from living, so i don't think jd vance will play any role in the political life in the united states as long as donald trump is in this political life. i would said that the ship of the republican party has only one captain. but their views are somehow correlated or will be

correlated. still, relatively speaking, the views of divens are the views of divens, and they should not, as they say, pay even the slightest attention to them. and i don't know, to be honest, if odense has any views, he has already changed his view so many times and adapted to the current situation so many times that i will not be surprised that his idea that he is completely indifferent to ukraine will change after three months will become views, we only have about ukraine. to think, because this is our main partner in the confrontation with the authoritarian world from such and such people who are essentially komsomol members, he is a typical komsomol member only from the it industry, and not from the centers of the youth scientific and technical society, as in the soviet union, i expect anything from these people, to be honest, because i am absolutely sure that the person who said the day before yesterday that he is against trump, that trump is an authoritarian person and in his personal

their own relations and in her public sphere, and then changed her point of view to the exact opposite and now apologizes to trump for this, well, i apologize, i do not expect any, if you will, ideological integrity from this person, i do not at all trust people who, in principle, who are changing their basic political views, we see that donald trump is really trying to squeeze the maximum out of his election campaign, we see that donald trump is trying to play. so to speak, at this confrontation, that is , de facto, choosing divens to demonstrate to show what you see, there are so-called young faces or new faces in my team, yes, so of course it's interesting, and we 'll definitely be watching that, i hope we'll also talk about the election campaign, about biden, about trump, but i think

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