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most, including european politicians, and a really interesting meeting took place, trump met with johnson or vice versa, and johnson stated that donald trump will strongly support ukraine. how do you comment on this statement and this meeting, is this not an effort of politically bankrupt politicians, maybe. of great britain to pull themselves out of certain oblivion and demonstrate that they can still play a certain role on the actual world political or geopolitical map. well, i wanted to remind you that for donald trump it is absolutely not interesting who went bankrupt or who did not go bankrupt. he supports people who share his views and values. and when there were elections in great britain, he generally welcomed nigel farage. whose party got only 4%,
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four seats, sorry, in the house of commons, well , according to the number of people who voted for it, it is the third party in the country, but nevertheless, the result itself is not very significant, and nigel farage is a friend of trump, and he greeted him. the same applies to boris johnson, between trump and johnson, despite certain the conflicts that existed between them have always existed, there was some kind of understanding, this is also true, it must be said clearly, and absolutely... the fact that politicians on the right of the conservative camp are now fighting for the ears of donald trump is logical. some sheep's ears hum one thing to him, another another. and boris johnson, whose position on the russian-ukrainian war is significantly different from the position of, say, viktor orban, who recently met with donald trump, tried to discuss with him precisely his vision, which is completely opposite to orban's. and by the way, why you? do not think that the very possibility of a conversation between zelenskyi and trump could be connected in one way or another. with the conversation between johnson and trump, could
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boris johnson be the one who finally convinced donald trump to talk to the president of ukraine and say what trump said? after the meeting with trump, johnson said that trump will resolutely support ukraine, and now we heard similar words from trump, he continues to talk about negotiations, but already about ukrainian conditions for negotiations, not his own conditions not negotiations, and this may be the result of his meeting with boris johnson. trump is quite impulsive. such a politician, and johnson, and johnson can really influence trump's position or at least his words, so to speak, if that position is in line with the views of the electorate that might vote for trump, yes, when you talk to people like trump, i i think johnson understands this very well, no worse than you and i, you have to speak for their interests, and if their interests coincide with your point of view, no doubt they will ... they can go to see you,
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from their point of view, with their, with their vision of the situation, yours, your explanation and their interest, so to speak, that is, ukraine in this situation, in the situation that trump can become the president of the united states of america, should look for some mediators , some people who can be a bridge to the position of donald trump, in order to... maybe change his mind, maybe fix it, you can change the mind of donald trump, i say again, now we see what interest donald trump has, what this we will not be interested after the presidential elections we know, this interest of trump is very often of a virtual nature, this is also a huge problem, and precisely because this interest is of a virtual nature, they have not really understood how to really influence it, so of course you need to look for opportunities to talk in both political camps of the united states. among
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the republicans and among the democrats, because given the configuration of congress and the fact that presidential decisions one way or another depends on the congress of the united states, this is also a very important point. one more topic, and one more one block is important, this is the situation in the european parliament, in the european union. not so much time has passed, and we see that the european parliament is actually formed. the main officials of the authorities in the european commission were elected in the european parliament, this is how the first session of the new european parliament took place and the warnings that we talked about on our broadcasts, and about which many ukrainian politicians and experts also spoke, fortunately so far didn't come true, actually two far-right groups or right-wing groups in... they didn't
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did not get any important positions in the european parliament, and actually we also saw that this is the ultra-right. the german alternative for germany party also did not actually receive any positions, at least influential ones, so it seems to me that it did not receive any positions at all. so, if we talk about the first session of the european parliament, what strengths or weaknesses did it show, how much did it show commitment to ukraine, and... still, here are these two right-wing or right-wing groups to a certain extent, or they can influence the next sessions of the european parliament and increase their influence, including within the framework of negative
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trends for our state. well, first of all , i wanted to remind you that these two far-right groups are a heterogeneous kind of far-right formation in the european parliament, which is the... right-wing group led by a representative of the brothers of italy party, a group that is oriented towards italian prime minister george melena , this group is generally absolutely loyal to ukraine, its representatives always support ukraine, so there are no problems here, there is another the group that focuses on the prime minister of hungary viktor orbán and the leader of the national association of france marine le pen, well, the situation is not very clear either, because of course this group is more cautious about the russian-ukrainian war. however, marine lipen has recently changed her rhetoric and calls russia's actions aggression. yes, she opposes french troops being sent to ukraine, that's true. she is opposed to the permission to use western weapons to attack ukraine territory, this is also true, but at the same time
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, she clearly advocates support for ukraine. so to say that this is some kind of cemented anti-ukrainian union, you can't say that either. here is an alternative. for germany, yes, representatives of this party, together with representatives of the left-radical alliancesukhneh, even left the bundestag meeting hall when the ukrainian president spoke there, but this formation remained outside of both far-right associations, they do not want to see it in their ranks, neither george melanie nor marine le pen, and that's also a lot about what is being said, so in this regard, we can say that the overwhelming majority of the members of the european parliament are sympathetic to ukraine and our struggle for... preservation of sovereignty, and that it cannot be said here that automatic membership in far-right political forces is a marker that you do not support ukraine. no, it is not like that. no, we definitely see that some of the political parties that exist,
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including even in these two factions, they cannot be counted as anti-ukrainian, really there are separate ones. parties that are ready, at least in the information space, to voice some russian narratives, but again, we must emphasize that not all of them, and i think that the majority, even under certain media pressure, are ready to weaken their position, ready to move towards more liberal position regarding ukraine, and here is another topic in the same context and... another group, more precisely, one of these two groups, as we called it, orban's group, yes, we will actually talk about orban right now. orban in a letter to the european the council offered, in fact, to the european union to restore diplomatic relations with
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russia, if not now, then in some future, he also responded to these statements and letters. one of the heads of the european union, mr. michel, he stated that this is not orbán's role, that orbán, de facto, has no right to speak on behalf of the european union, and in general, as we see, there is a certain the position of certain members of the european parliament, certain political forces, who say that hungary in general needs now... to remove from leadership in the european union, which it has accepted since july 1st of this year and will effectively continue until december 31st, again this year. mr. vitaly, orban continues to promote russian
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narratives, he writes letters, one, two, three, he says that the war must somehow be ended there, that there is no need to quarrel with russia, that it is necessary... after all, to establish diplomatic relations with the state, the occupier, that is, orban does not stop, his criticism, accordingly, does not stop either. and it can all be clear, even lead to a discussion about removing hungary from leadership in the european union. why is orbán doing this, why is he approaching certain red lines that can harm, including his positions, the positions, the positions of his country in the european union. well, i think because he wants to be a leading european politician. and the only person who can travel to kyiv, moscow, beijing and meet with donald trump at the same time. and
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by the way, we see that many people are following his path, that volodymyr zelensky is too it turns out that he wants to talk to donald trump, and he also wanted to talk to sidney pin, he made an effort to do this, and viktor roman does it without much effort, i think that is why orban has such an idea that he can completely calmly act in such a role and show how you can and the fact that his possibilities as the prime minister of hungary do not correspond to the real possibilities of a peaceful settlement, it seems to me, does not bother him at all, because he is photographed next to the leading politicians of our time, he is in big countries, well, russia, the united states states, china, yes, in a few days, not every hungarian prime minister or even a european prime minister could afford such a tour, here is the whole essence of orbán, he shows his weight on the international arena. hate the price of such a cynical policy. then, let's face it, we ourselves gave orbán the opportunity to legitimize
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such and such his tours. this is when viktor orban was going to kyiv, and many people said, you can see the success of ukrainian diplomacy, orban at the head of the european union, after his country became the chairman of european union, he is forced to fly to kyiv to show that he remains in the fairway of european politics. if orban wants to be a european leader, then as the head of the country that presides over the european union, he just needs to go to kyiv, by the way, i myself wrote such a text, i myself called on viktor orban to go to kyiv for the first time since his presidency of the european union . well, orban listened to all such advice that was then in the world press and in the hungarian press, no matter what, no matter what, and came to kyiv, such a victory, even. orban is forced to go to kyiv, do you remember that he was not in kyiv for many years in a row? and then it suddenly turns out that
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he needed this trip only to legitimize the trip to moscow. just imagine, if they had not accepted borban in kyiv, had refused to talk to him here, he would not have gone to moscow, because what is the point of him going to moscow or beijing, when they do not talk to him in kyiv. and everything is perfect. the only western politician who can afford such a tour is us the tour was given to him by his own efforts, that's all. mr. vitaly, how exactly will the european leaders react? i have already said that there are opinions regarding the expulsion of hungary. well, again, if hungary continues to escalate this situation, if hungary continues, or rather, orbán in... continues to pursue such an extremely independent policy, which is contrary to the principles
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of the european union and at least to the postulates that are voiced by european leaders, we we can purely technically, legally, politically expect that this country will be removed, until things, this will be one of those unprecedented cases, if it happens, in the history of the existence of the european union, and i honestly do not understand how, even if you imagine that one country is excluded from something, and in some way limited, on based on some rules that exist in the european union, this also requires the unanimity of other countries, and you and i understand that at least the prime minister of slovakia, robert fite , will never vote for it in his life, uh, so they can be threats, they may be important, but i do not understand. how to implement it from an institutional point of view, i do not yet see such opportunities, you can make any
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statements, but if you do not have institutional opportunities, these statements will remain just statements and signals, and orbán can also understand this perfectly well, and you remember that robert fitzo supported his tour, said that he himself would like to be in such a place, why is it that he will suddenly condemn orbán and vote for the removal of hungary from the presidency of the european union, when orbán doing everything right from his point of view. but you mentioned fitzo, can he join orpan, well we understand that fitzo is not in a very good physical shape at the moment, that... he still needs time to recover, we understand that it may be months, but purely theoretically, after these statements that you mentioned, whether fico can join orbán in possible future tours, for example, to moscow or to china, or to some other such
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authoritarian semi-authoritarian leaders, i think that orbán does not need a fisa in this situation, huh. orban is a person with a very big ego personally, and he is unlikely to want to travel with anyone else, firstly, secondly, again, for this, it is necessary that the person who will participate in such trips has visited kyiv . orban has already visited kyiv, but fizo has not, so his participation in all these trips does not make much sense. orbán can behave like a person who spoke with zelensky and with putin. and continue all these trips. i don't know to what extent another trip to kyiv is in his... plans, no i'm sure of that, but nevertheless i don't see any need now for fitson to join orbán and orbán to do it with someone else. by the way, when we talk about hungary, another scandal is actually going on right now. hungary, in particular the minister of foreign affairs, mr. szijjártó, stated
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that ukraine blocked the transit of russian oil to hungary and slovakia. this, by the way, is very interesting, because in fact , the hungarians are extremely hot there, they talk about the fact that, in general, there may be a fuel crisis in hungary, they are trying somehow to talk about this issue with ukraine now, here is this news and this situation, which, perhaps, in the information space of our country, considering the whole other array of events, has been lost somewhere. but i think it is worth paying attention to, because these statements, and indeed, if it is true that ukraine has blocked the transit of russian oil to hungary and slovakia, this may also affect to some extent the position of these two countries, in particular, we remember here are the demands of hungary, the last 11 or 13
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demands for unblocking the movement of ukraine. of ukraine to the european union, whether it could affect hungary and slovakia, and whether ukraine is really ready to completely block the transit of russian oil to these two countries, which are still dependent on russian gas and oil. well, i have already said that i believe that we have helped by inviting viktor orban to the ukrainian capital. could he legitimize this amazing tour through kyiv, to moscow, beijing and then to maralag to trump, and let's not forget that there was also a meeting with erdogan in washington, it is also an important thing, so by and large, i think that volodymyr zelenskyi also understands that orbán simply used him, and this is such an answer that if we
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do not behave honestly in politics, then we too can, let's say to stop lukoil, which re-supplies to... through our territory, you will solve your own problems. how will this affect the situation with the actions of hungary and slovakia? i think that they will look for some alternative ways of obtaining russian oil, but they may after some time to organize some kind of performance by truck drivers on the ukrainian-hungarian border. make our economic situation worse. they can do it too, both the hungarian prime minister and the slovak prime minister, they will not just watch as... they block the oil, they will try to block some freight routes for us, but since there is no polish blockade now, polish truckers and polish farmers to the roads to ukraine from ukraine, then this cannot be such a serious moment, but they will wait, they will to wait for such a possible blockade, they can
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expect some problems with the border, and when problems appear, i assure you, they will definitely invent something... such a thing, so simple without economic consequences for ukraine, they will not leave it, we we have to understand who we are dealing with, of course, but in any case, in fact, at the end of this year , the agreement on the transit of russian oil and gas through the territory of ukraine expires, and there the issue of the possible transit of, for example, azerbaijani oil or gas is being discussed. that is, there is also such a question here. as in this case to act in ukraine, that is really how to act in ukraine, to continue supplying, in fact to go to russian and hungarian conditions. and supply oil and gas through our pipeline capacity, or generally freeze any
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pumping of anything through our gas transportation system, or even really look for some alternative supply, such an option is possible, and what option will be acceptable for our country, in particular in the current economic mind you which are we in? well, this is a good question, because it is absolutely obvious that you and i need to preserve ukrainian gas transport system. the situation of the almost complete list of the ukrainian economy and the life of the country on western subsidies, these millions of dollars - this is certainly not an unnecessary moment. at the same time, it is clear that we cannot afford any new transit agreements with the russian federation now, but if you look closely, the russian federation is generally interested in maintaining the status of ukraine. but the state, i think not, if we say that if the ukrainian gas transportation system stops working, if nothing goes on it, and this will lead
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to new losses, because we will not just not receive money, but also spend money to support this system in some working condition, this is a very serious problem, here in this situation there is no doubt that you and i will be in such a situation difficult situations, this is also such a... real thing that needs to be said, uh, yes, i would say that if you are talking about azerbaijani resources, through the territory of which country should they go to get into the ukrainian system, logically, that of russia, of course, because something else even, even if to take a physical map, it is impossible, at least not yet, of course, any raw material that passes through ukrainian territory is raw material. on a russian hike. we had a time with us when we bought exclusively turkmen gas, but it was not turkmen gas, turkmen gas was received by russia, and we received russian gas on a net basis. if we
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transport azerbaijani oil and gas, it will be russian oil and gas, and russia will simply take the appropriate amount of azerbaijani energy for itself. all. so, without an agreement with moscow, this problem is still not solved. we can reassure ourselves. in the fact that, in the fact that it is not russian, but still it is a process of negotiations with moscow, with no one, that is, it is one of the options for getting out of this situation, well, because the ukrainian authorities really talked about it, that is we are observing a situation where they are trying to present this situation to the society as if... we are really buying azerbaijani oil there or azerbaijani gas, but in reality it will be russian, and here the question arises, how to conclude this agreement, we
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cannot directly conclude an agreement with russia, can it be some third companies, azerbaijan can do it, and it can be done with an intermediary country, azerbaijan can conclude agreements with ukraine and russia on the transit of its energy carriers. that's all, but again here is the question, why russia? in principle, russia should be interested in the complete destruction of the ukrainian gas transportation system. the fact that ukraine has ceased to be a transit state. ukraine absolutely does not need azerbaijan to supply its own gas and oil to of europe ukraine needs europe to buy not pipeline gas, but tanker gas, so that it is more expensive, so that europe has economic problems. because europe is helping ukraine with weapons. and in this way, the european economy needs to be destroyed as the economy of enemy countries, and not to improve its energy conditions. the less money there is in the pockets of european
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governments, the less weapons ukraine receives and the sooner russia will finish its so-called special operation on ukrainian soil. this is simple logic. that's why we all the time when we talk about our interests, we must remember what russia's interests should be, and russia's interests are the destruction of ukraine and the impoverishment of europe. if azerbaijan has the opportunity to supply its gas and oil through turkey. well, let's say, to european countries, somehow, russia can't prevent it, it just can't, when it could, they tried in the 90s, they even organized coup d'états in azerbaijan to prevent it, but to give their gas transportation system for that , to make life easier for those who need to be destroyed, you have to be complete idiots for this, i don't believe that russia will go for it, that is, russia should get something much more important in return, and again, what can we offer it? the interests of hungary and slovakia, which receive russian gas and oil, can really be such an argument for a duck
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