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in general, in a normal state, well, that is, in tone, yes, that is, they are not in the same condition as they were before the start of the war, but they are able to transmit energy, i in the volumes that we now need, even with an excess , that is, they have a reserve of power, on the one hand, we hear about large amounts and very regular on our energy restoration from western partners, that is, they go to restoration, these are the ones you are talking about, and on the other hand, when government officials reported in parliament, then something is not very high numbers in of them were for the use of those large ... that the government allocated for larger objects in critical, well, there is 21%, in my opinion, now the figure was heard of the funds used for restoration, or the program is ineffective, or it is used inefficiently, i did not listen of this report, it is therefore difficult for me to say, i can say that ukrenergo has done a great job, they have restored in many respects, plus they have strengthened all these protective systems around what is possible. to do the first or second level there,
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it seems to me that i did a much worse job energoatom, i would like to remind you that ukrenergo does not produce electricity, it actually transmits it within the borders of ukraine, from the producers to oblenergo, where it already goes to the distribution network, so any criticism that we do not have enough electricity is aimed at ukrenergo, it is not entirely correct, yes, that is, this is a question for manufacturers, manufacturers in our country have a lot of broken capacities, most likely we are talking about the use of funds for restoration, well, generating capacities. and well , any process that is connected either with lines or with generation is long process, these are huge volumes of work, i will remind you that a thermal power plant is a huge object, that is, i have been to them, well , that is, for the sake of it, i tell everyone, the boiler, where the fuel is burned, plus the turbine, is the size of a football field, and it's all stuffed with cables, pipes, steam pipes, it's totally amber there, it's just an example of such a large generator, with many objects.
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so that they practically do not work, that is why we do not have enough of this heat energy, and the funds allocated, from what i understand, were allocated only for state stations, to state enterprises, detek as a private enterprise, it did not receive these funds from the europeans, for example, it did not receive them, at least from that, but security and military experts come to us, not so much from the energy side, as from the security side, they say that this well, well, it is, as they say, a wooden shield from a projectile. to defend themselves, because no matter what they did there, they dug up the nets, this is the maximum from debris and from drones and no more, the energy workers i spoke with claimed that if there were no such things, carriers, of course it is like that, but the concrete blocks, plus those begbags with sand, they, they, they caught a lot of debris, and debris, that is, obviously when hit, when a missile with a 400 warhead hits directly there
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. all these concrete blocks are unlikely to protect , but with a tilt of 10 m there is already a question, because they can catch the debris and they still covered a lot of these systems from the debris, that is, it is customary in our country to criticize that here is where the money that was allocated was sprayed, gives the result, i.e. the result is because it would be even worse, it also affects the speed of restoration of what was destroyed, yes, that is, the amount of destruction is significant. smaller than if they were simply not covered, obviously, and i suggest that you just now, together with our viewers, focus on, well, let's say this, the human dimension at the level of a private entrepreneur, a small entrepreneur, it's not a secret, it's already a saying "i'm popular that i wake up with the first, not the roosters, but with those, with the first generators, this proverb is already walking, i woke up like that."
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generators, how can ukrainian business cope with those generators now in the summer, there were also problems with super temperatures, and therefore with a shortage, and how can we go into the autumn-winter period with this, let's look at the material of our colleagues together, and his svyatoslav pavlyuk will help us predict, design and analyze all this. you can work, go for a walk, or drink coffee now only with such sound accompaniment. turning off the lights for 12 hours makes the business run purely on fuel for such machines, or small ones succeed for entrepreneurs to make coffee and leave at least zero? the summer of 2024 has certainly become more difficult for ukrainian businesses than the winter of 2023. abnormal heat and, as a result, even harsher power outages. in sumy , the work was transformed into a small one. institutions for
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survival, it is very difficult to work now, our lights are turned off for 7-9 hours, it happens that during the whole working day there is only light for one and a half to two hours, and we have to... work all the time on the generator, the generator is the must-have of any ukrainian entrepreneur, because today without it is literally like having no hands, at the same time, the maintenance of this wonderful machine requires a lot of money, the generator consumes about 10-15 liters of fuel per day, it roughly costs uah 2,000 per month. and this is very difficult to say now, because the days are different, and most of us work somewhere in zero. er, now we are working to keep our customers, all products have become more expensive, er, because there are no deliveries, everything spoils, you can't buy products, but thank god, everything is working here, our generator is pulling, we we prepare food, prepare coffee and cold drinks,
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refrigerators work, everything is fine. such small businesses become a real oasis for residents of nearby buildings, because when there is no light at home, it will be in a coffee shop, and there will also be hot food, internet and maybe even air conditioning. many people come to work, charge their devices, also come to get hot water, prepare food, store, also come to bring their products, our freezer works, they bring meat. this summer demonstrated that ukrainians should not be frightened not only by frost, but also by heat. children and adults all over the country come up with creative ideas struggle with the scorching sun and no electricity, as well as sincerely and more than ever rejoice in the rain, and at least sometimes they are indignant and understand that such inconveniences are definitely not the biggest problem. no, i somehow control this process, well, i charge myself before
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turning away the evil, well, like all the good in this sense, well, like, okay, we squeeze out, well, we try to live, not survive, so what saves me the most now is silpo, in which there is a zone next to the cafe, accordingly, it is crowded, but you can also use the charger, and the wi-fi is stable, that is, for example, yesterday there was no light, i worked from there, no, i don’t want to charge my phone, nothing, i have two hours, i charge power banks, then i charge phones and everything else, and that’s enough for me, i don’t need it, because the 22nd i've already gotten used to it for a year, and that's why there's a powerbank that keeps it, it's bad, what's wrong with the connection? no, not mine, it's hard to pay with a card, but everything is relative, the main thing is that it's not like in my native city of bakhmut. however, despite the positive perception of today's challenges, it is rational to also think about winter, encouraging forecasts
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they give, except that fortune tellers, specialized experts, officials and people's deputies are quite skeptical and already hint that it is not worth waiting for a miracle, and everyone needs to prepare. independently, we think about it every day, but we will hope for the best, we thought about putting panels, batteries, but the heart tells us that everything will be fine. in the verkhovna rada this week, people's deputies adopted at least two important laws that affect business as well: the first is positive: duties and taxes on the import of generators, batteries, equipment for wind and solar generation with... shifted, but the excise tax on fuel , on the contrary, was increased. we predict that the increase in gasoline, excise tax will be somewhere within 1.2 games, gasoline and diesel, and this is the contribution that all of you and i will make to
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the financing of the army. to support the defenders is an unequivocal, single and most important task of every ukrainian. but time will tell how long in... entrepreneurs balance on the verge of bankruptcy and continue to pay taxes for the good of the country. kateryna galko, andriy varstyuk, espresso tv channel. well, we watched it together colleague sviatoslav pavlyuk, an energy efficiency expert, also looked at the material, and let's break it down into a cluster, as they say, flies separately, meatballs separately, and let the generator stand in the corner. and yes, we have business on the one hand. it is necessary for him to work, because he pays taxes, and therefore the defense forces have something to do, and from the other side of the business they say, and we raise excise taxes also in the name of the ukrainian army, burning such volumes of fuel leads them, well, there are zero options, the one
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from where to pay taxes, i.e. us we have some kind of story here, in this story there are no good options, there are bad options, there are even worse ones, and, that is, the fact that in... the government and the parliament decide to cancel the import duty there and import vat on solar batteries , on the generators, he says, what about me, i... i translate it as that we can't help you, help yourself, this too, well, it will be fair to tell people, we can't raise the energy to that state , to meet all needs, as they should be, try to help yourself, and that would honestly be the answer, as far as i'm concerned, that's what it comes down to, i have a bunch of my friends there, they call me five times a day, asking what i should do, there's a small business there, and someone, someone has a pharmacy , and there are vaccines. and they must be kept at a strict temperature, and the refrigerator, the milk has disappeared,
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absolutely, i went to a large supermarket here on the district and everything was sold there for half price, and you can really feel the warmth in the air, the refrigerators are all standing, they are simply given in essence there for what is the cost for people to take it away, and it will end up with a shortage, because they will not buy this, this, this, on the other hand, it's just strange to me, because the big supermarkets on the district, they can throw all their all their. solar panels and basically cover your needs yourself, right? now there is a very strange, not very strange, very special situation, we are now in the energy sector, we are somewhere at the level of 2000, when mobile phones arrived in ukraine, and when the phone, which was tied with a shoelace, suddenly it turned out that you can live without it, before you had to stand in line for 20 years to get a phone, pay money there, suddenly a thing appeared that you can buy, so it is... but it exists, and we are currently at the same stage in the energy sector, in
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the european union this process is planned, it is realized, it is planned, as well as, accordingly, step by step , somehow people, knowledge, money, structures are engaged there, in it's happening to us, everything has collapsed and we need to get out of the way somehow, the presence of solar panels, the presence of batteries, which have become cheaper in recent years 15 times in 10, creates a completely new reality, and the same business, well, i also go there for lunch somewhere to some cafes around, they are forced to drive a generator, which costs a lot expensive, in principle any generator is expensive to operate, first of all you have to buy it, you have to service it, you have to buy oil to pour it in and so on and so on, and if it were cheaper, then the whole business would have used a generator long ago, and since they are not use, this means that the current from the network was always cheaper than such a generator. and as for me, here we are in the office in our association, we have a solar
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station in our spirit, we are from it now, when it is totally hot in the city, we started two air conditioners from it and in principle lived absolutely normally, here in our there is a small solar power plant on the spirit and it was enough for us for a patrabos with two air conditioners in the worst heat, for that business that does not have space and opportunities, because it is, for example, inside city, on the first floor, what? this actually creates a completely new reality, according to which there is a commercially attractive opportunity to install solar stations on all roofs, where it is possible to do it, to install solar stations in the city, so who will install them, right here, not in different countries, it happens differently, in prague there is a , for example, a municipal energy company that just rents roofs from residents, uh, and it puts solar stations there, that is, an initiative from above, and a program and... it's mutual, it can be different, it can be the energy cooperative of the residents of the building, it
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can be a municipal energy company, it can be some commercial company that rents roofs there in the condominium, not only in the condominium under the signature of the residents, and is covered with a roof, that is, a cafe that stands on the first floor, calmly can be powered by the electricity generated on the roof, and it does not need to be driven into the network, it will be cheaper in your house, in fact, than it is from the network, because you have a rainy autumn and a gloomy winter will come, the battery. then appears well it is obvious, that is, this decision is for the summer, and this decision is for the summer, let's agree again, let's take it in the winter , this system will not have such a performance, that's for sure, and then the question will appear, well, another one, but none the less, when in the summer, we run generators and overload networks, we burn gasoline in order to cool down, well, this is also not wrong, but the cost of electricity, the cost of electricity, which... which is used by businesses in the network, is, in principle, market, in our realities, cost of electricity,
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which is used by the population, it is not a market one, it is significantly smaller, only no one told people about it, no one told them about the volumes that are paid extra for them, in principle , you can pick up documents from the state treasury, you can look at the reports of the national energy regulatory commission, which every year the so-called sign the so -called subsidy certificates, where money is transferred from the industrial part to the population and... it was there from 40 to 120-130 billion uah per year, and these are crazy funds, these are crazy funds that would have be let on energy efficiency, that is, energy should cost as much as it cost. then there would be many people willing to install it, what is the problem with us right now, that is, we have electricity at 2.20 there or games 60 or the same now at 4.20, it is the same as sausage from the soviet union at 220, which in legends, it theoretically exists, but in fact it does not exist, and in order for it to exist, someone has to buy a generator, install it, run a cable, this is huge money, yes, that is,
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transformers need to be installed somewhere, and if you ask entrepreneurs... as it should be the cost of electricity in order for you to pull yourself together, go, take money, buy a generator, bring it, install it, and you will have this process for exactly 4.60, that is , for 4.60 you can oblige state companies with some in such a way that they will then be subsidized there from the budget in some way, but it will definitely not be 4.60, that is, the cost of commercial electricity is higher, and until it is marketable, no one will build new stations, yes, but there is a dead end situation, still if the excise taxes are increased, then the fuel will be reduced in general, it is not profitable even now to smoke, if there are long power outages, so in this case, well, there are some, well, for , let’s say, for small and family businesses, there is some such unique de-seasonal solution, because we are saying that solar batteries are
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a good solution for the summer, but what’s next a little arises, if it is not a generator and... that it is not solar generation, then that it is exclusively some kind of generation then outside the city at the level of city structures, that is, these are cogeneration machines somewhere in the thermal utility company, these are cogeneration machines on biomass, which are located somewhere outside the city, under in the city, this is the burning of garbage, that is, all biomass, that is, heat generation of electricity outside the city, but it is not far in order to supply the city, and also to use the heat burned so as not to throw it away, and both can be used and are far from necessary. .. to play sports, is it possible, now that we have talked about the theoretical model, is it practical, about which we, well, in a good sense, two cities, vinnytsia and khmelnytskyi, are boasting that they actually managed to balance the deficit, well i think they can be proud of what they have delivered cogeneration plants in their
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thermal utility, they can generate electricity and they use gas. but they can also supply it to the city network, at the same time, the volume of this energy is sufficient for the operation of the heat meter itself, i.e. the pumps, boilers and so on and so on, maybe some small surplus, but it is more likely a balancing act during the summer, when it was enough for them, well, the cities there, and when they did not have a full heating utility load, in winter it will not be like that, they will not be able to meaningfully provide, the basic requirement for... cities, for city councils, for to, for cities as such, for city services is that they ensure a sufficient level of local electricity generation for the operation of the heat utility and especially the water utility, i.e. if there is no water in the city, it it will be even worse, or nothing better, than there will be no heat, and that is why the safety of water channels is a critically important thing, because without water there will be no heat,
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because in a hot house, everything breaks down and then there will be a constant loss of water, there is so so-called make-up water, that is, a certain volume water is constantly leaking somewhere, something, but the system must be efficient, accordingly , the boiler must constantly receive water, it constantly cleans it, pours it into the system, and so on, if there is no water supply, then the pumps must work all the time, whether you want it or not you want, what kind of energy source to live like this, and again you have to understand that the cost of all diesel fuel, generators, logistics, it is not included in the tariffs, and this is a huge challenge for cities, because especially cities that have more than 1,000 inhabitants there. are licensees of the nkrkp, the national regulatory commission, it sets the tariff, but it does not set them, and the city utility services have huge losses, they simply they and they cannot now cover current costs, b, preparation for the disgraceful season, this means that you you need to buy fuel, buy pipes, buy spare parts, that is, in a certain sense, be ready for the fact that a drone may fly into some important
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infrastructure system, and you need a deficit , so you need to have this pipe here and not already. to wait for it to arrive there from another country , that is, to have an alternative, as they say, you have to have a reserve, you have to have this reserve in place, there is another problem, from which it is no less strategic than any pipes, heat or electricity, this it's no longer a secret, because after the last winter season, the government reacted, i'm talking about communication, because mobile communication is mobile internet, half of the business can stand and work on this, including the service, there must be internet, i because yesterday... i found out in the comparative table that we are already at the end of the list high-speed internet, it is worse only in cuba, there and several other countries, we have a rather weak speed, high-speed, blame it on... pun on the internet, it disappears in a matter of minutes when the electricity is cut off, because the base station operators did not provide
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enough generation to to support, well , at least there, i don't know, 3g+, i'm not talking about the high-speed 4g connection that allows you to work with the internet, with content, this story is now repeating itself, again a call from the government that they should have the opportunity.. . to 10 hours to maintain a high-quality connection, and here you are already telling us, i do not know how many base stations there are, but that there are tens of thousands of them, and for each tens of thousands to put some kind of battery pack, well, it takes time and money, and whether the operators are years had, well , obviously from my point of view it should have been done, i will give examples of places where it was done differently, where there is cooperation between business and local authorities, meanwhile the heat and energy company, kovel did a very good job, koval preparing for... in winter in general laid new networks between utilities, they laid a ten-kilometer line between their enterprises, they powered it from separate backup generators, and accordingly, they do not lose communication, they connected, well,
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mobile communication stations, they stand on pipes mainly in boiler houses, and they they were simply well connected to the networks at the boiler houses, thus kovel can be said to be a model city, how can such a model of a medium-sized city be made, large cities in which it is most felt in millionaires, the city has a different, different situation, we are in some in cities, we can't start blackouts at traffic lights, and that is, not to mention mobile communication, it's all solved, it's wishful thinking, it's all solved, battery blocks are installed , generators are worse, because you can install a generator, they need to be refueled, i.e. you have to have constant logistics for someone to go there, the generator doesn't work by itself, you have to fill it with gasoline, oil, it has to be serviced, that is, it's more complicated, battery systems, they exist. simpler, cheaper, probably, in work, they investments are more expensive, but they are easier to work with after, because for me, it's well, i don't know the details, which of
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the operators did what, but it seems to me that very soon, well, the very presence of the connection too will regulate the market, because if one company will have a connection, because it supplied a battery, then accordingly, customers will simply transfer to it, it is already happening, mr. svyatoslav, we simply see why we say this, because having a huge... the client base is anyone's, and the lack of funds is precisely the mobile operators they don’t feel it, and they could give an answer in two years, so here you say that the market will adjust, because there are already operators who at least wait 5-6 hours with high-speed internet, we will not advertise them, but people know themselves here, too empirical knowledge says, i want to come up with a final platform, we understand that a large number of people, well, maybe they are hostages of exactly that form of ownership, well, for example , condominiums... apartments in an apartment building, in which half of the apartments are rented, as they say , for rent, so, accordingly, collect fees, it was impossible to create a usb there, the management
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company zhek works for three with a loss, and sometimes they pretend, for them, what do you say, but do something, and, that is, because, because you will freeze, that is, it is not, well, they have there should be combined efforts from one side of the state. the city, on the other side of the residents, the state must create opportunities, it must be, in my opinion, a situation must be created, if it is to be regulated by legislation, it must be regulated by legislation, it has already been regulated, the program has been created, the program exists, but all the same you must have general fees to rent a roof in rent, for example, and although in the period of wartime it can be said that it is done differently, you like it, you don't like it, if you have not made a decision, then you do not have, well, that is, it is like subsidies in many countries, you, if you... subsidies, then you do not have the right according to the law to block the decision on thermomodernization of the house, ugh, that is, you are a priori either neutral or you will support it, otherwise you simply lose the subsidies, exactly the same in these
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houses, you cannot be against it , to put batteries there on your spirit, so that put, but the opposite situation may be, we really want to and do not know who to run to, where to run, it is different in different cities, again, there are cities that have created counseling structures, the city can go and give these advices, there are cities that have support programs. partial compensation for this, there are inefficiency funds, but it should work very quickly, it should work under one window, that is, you came and filed an application, for example, but it is currently not working and we will not be ready by winter, it will be isolated cases, unfortunately, where are the people will be ready, let's say, fully, having there a battery, a generator, and the sun and some kind of solution, unfortunately, unfortunately, it looks like we will again have some people envying others that others have prepared. others don't, and here, like in this fairy tale about the three little pigs, who had which house, thatched, thatched or stone, we have the maximum that we managed to talk with
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mr. svyatoslav, but very... thank you for this conversation. svyatoslav pavlyuk, executive director of the association of energy-efficient cities of ukraine, knock and it will be opened, google it and get ready here is our conclusion, a short pause, after which we will continue with the latest news from the espresso team. do the discounts represent the only discounts on norwend express forte 10% in pharmacies plantain to you taushka. do you want to wake up? as in childhood , grandmother is full of strength and energy? then the new product from matrats market is just for you. meet the dreamlight pillowcase mattress. the perina dreamlight mattress smooths out all the unevenness of old mattresses, sofas, folding beds, it can be laid for sleeping simply on the floor. soft, comfortable, beautiful, and so affordable. total from 499 uah ordinary toppers cost one and a half, two and even three. and we offer you an extra-quality feather mattress for only
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