they have already gone through it and tested it, so they have some positive reviews about it, they have experience, and god forbid that they help, we will see, we hope that the kraken is not just blindly bought, because they look formidable and beautiful , well, if they are the first to buy, then we will also ask them about the characteristics, in the end it is not better than our drones, for example, we are also now under contract to supply osa drones for... the state, they are also similar, the main thing is the filling, what is inside, how much they will be with those lots, they will fight, but we, we will soon be the main ones in the fashion for drones and fp drones, in particular, as they say, and the legends about baba yagu will survive the russian-ukrainian war for a long time, thank you, who was with us, mr. valery, valery borovyk, commander of the white eagle special unit of strike drones, about... wars, wars of drones, well, further on in our

program, let's look together about politics, about the world, and then we'll come back, it's about politics, about the world , maria gurska, journalist of the ukrainian tv channel and portal sister eu and pawel koval, chairman of the committee on foreign affairs of the polish diet and chairman of the council for cooperation with ukraine, i congratulate. good day. let's start with the main world news of the week. donald trump has officially become the candidate for the presidency of the republican party of the usa. this happened after the attempt on the ex-president during the pre-election speech. this is the first attempt on a president, a presidential candidate in america since 1981 and one of several in us history. assassinations are usually carried out by psychopaths, as was the case with...hickney jr., who

admitted that he wanted to impress actress jodie foster by assassinating president reagan. attempts have also occurred in the history of the united states at critical moments of disagreement, in views on the future of the country before turning points. this can be called 1865, the assassination of president lincoln by a supporter of the confederates who fought to preserve slavery. what is it about donald trump's behavior and personality that causes such extreme emotions in people today. at this point in the history of the world and the united states? donald trump's widower. you can talk about it much to say, but in the trump camp inside the republican party, there is a fierce debate going on right now. people usually think that trump is the most radical of all for some reason, but he is not. trump is not the most radical.

emphasizes donald trump's dislike for ukraine, because he was the most anti-ukrainian candidate. i don't think so, in poland they will say that the election of senator wentz is possible. vice president emphasizes trump's dislike of donald tusk, because vance also, sorry, in poland they will say that the election vance emphasizes his dislike for donald tusk, because vance also strongly criticized our government and our majority, but i think that ukrainians see from their point of view, poles from theirs. but both of them are right, because of all the vice presidential candidates, vance is the most against involvement and interference.

i think that in trump's mind, because i have a deeper analysis of the situation from the republicans, things look like this. trump needs to defend himself against criticism from the right wing in his camp, and the right wing in his camp is talking yes: trump will come to power and the country will once again be ruled by the deep state. and trump wants to show: "no, there will be something else." and one more important thing, still on the cusp of the gerundocracy that reigns in the usa today, trump chooses a promising 39-year-old senator from ohio. a senator with a brilliant biography, because his biography does not belong to the establishment, it is the biography of a person who rose from the social books and, despite the troubles in his family, graduated from high school. it's generally great in the united states, vance writes books that sell, even in poland

were translated and they sold well. he makes movies. just imagine how it looks against the background of this dignified, let's say, respectable, in terms of age, democratic environment. that's why they are real. reasons, in my opinion, and other things follow this and are very bad signs for us, because vance is officially attacking the polish government, because he is categorically against helping ukraine. but again, it is not only about ukraine, but about the essence of american policy, which simply returns to isolationism. and now one more thing. if we let's imagine that republicans in america can be divided between a super-reagan approach, that is, we keep an eye on the world because it's good for the us and our security, because we always pay if we don't. and on the other side we are not lost, because it is none of our business, then vance is on the other side. well, we'll get back to the subject of the assassination attempt on trump in a moment, but this is the kind of team

that could take power in the united states. what does this mean for us and what are we going to do about it all? to conduct it in such conditions, which will have to and must be treated like politics, neither you in ukraine, no, we in poland do not have any influence on who will be the president of the usa, except that there are ethnic ukrainians or poles in the usa who vote and will soon elect someone, but i am afraid that many poles in the usa will still vote for trump . so what are the challenges and safeguards that can still be put in place before the us elections in november? normal policy in... and first of all, there should be normal policy within nato and, first of all, support for ukraine. this is what can be done by november, strengthening the european defense industry. i have been talking about this for a long time. exactly because things can

change dramatically in the united states, but let's go back to the united states for a moment. i would advise you not to think about politics in a specific way, because sometimes i get confused. we will put together the puzzle, that this puzzle is the best possible for us, we will see, it also depends a little on trump himself. let us remind you that when it comes to positions related to security, there is also the secretary of state and the national security council, here we do not know at all what will happen, and i will say more, if trump decides to make concessions to the extreme right,

chose an isolationist for vice president, that means he 'll be balancing somewhere else. it's clear to me. i've been following the debate in the republican camp, and the general consensus is that the far right, represented by the attacker, thinks that trump is too heavy on the center, that trump is too connected to the establishment, that trump has already started to turn around establishment republican politicians who have realized that without trump there is no this is what is happening in the republican camp, but it is not the only, shall we say, better segment, not the only space in american politics, when we look at the whole, we don't really know what's going to happen until early november, and frankly, there's probably still going to be some momentum among the democrats, so everything there will still be some different elements. we'll get into more details on that in a moment, but i think it's a little bit of a madam... but you know, i got the impression that i kind of threw you off track because you probably wanted to discuss vance's anti-ukrainian sentiment, when in

in poland, everyone emphasizes that he opposes my majority, that is, against the authorities in poland. but i believe that good expertise is important for sound policy. i don't think trump is going to sit around and think, oh, we need to figure out how to hurt the government in poland. it just so happened that we have such a result, but he had other reasons to choose this candidate for the post of vice president. one only has to follow what is happening inside the republican party to understand this. let's hope that it is so, because some experts say that trump is a very impulsive figure. it doesn't help us, that is, it doesn't help us that it happened because he is already anti-ukrainian in the sense that he opposes aid very strongly, because he was against against every vote, so let's not have any illusions here . i'm not saying this to reassure you, i'm just saying that... if we want to act, we have to assess the situation correctly. be that as it may, world leaders and opponents

of donald trump, including current us president joe biden, have condemned violence after the assassination attempt. and now the question is whether this event will unite americans or, on the contrary, cause division and a possible outbreak of violence. experts warn about this, and what's more, the americans themselves are afraid of such a scenario. a recent survey conducted on behalf of the reuters agency by the research company ipos showed that two/thirds of voters. the us is concerned about a possible increase in violence after the presidential election. their fears can be understood if we recall the storming of the capitol in january 21. you wanted to hear what i would like to happened or what i think will happen? second, if the second, then i think that in two weeks everyone will forget about this attempt, trump's photo will continue to be used, unless a new, better photo appears, you and i started with a list of attempts on the presidents of the united states, successful and there were more unsuccessful ones. i don't remember all of them, but there were definitely a lot of them, you said a few, but it's a significant few,

because both presidents and presidential candidates have been attacked, and the main thing is that an assassination attempt did not mean that his victim immediately was winning in the 20th century, there were four assassination attempts on us presidents, and of course more if you count the candidates. there were also assassination attempts on candidates who did not become presidents, so when someone says that if you were assassinated and you survived. you become president, it doesn't work like that, it's politics, there's going to be a huge dynamic in the united states, a huge dynamic in the world. today , trump seems to be the favorite. we look at what is happening in the republican camp. we are not crying, we are just thinking how to deal with this new situation politically, but we also assume that there will be other situations, nothing is determined yet. i, for example, know americans well, and cannot imagine that a democratic voter will vote for trump because there was an assassination attempt on trump. it doesn't work like that. america is very divided and it's about

very small groups and in that sense maybe it's dangerous that it's about small groups, the state where the assassination took place is a good example of the fact that there are a lot of voters, we're talking about pennsylvania, and in pennsylvania it's already generally known, who votes, that's why those are chosen districts where the situation is 50-50 and the election campaign is being held there, in the united states of america the presidential campaign. is not carried out everywhere, contrary to what it might seem. it is held only in those states where the scales can be tipped. usually there are 6-7-10 such states and in these states, if they are large, and pennsylvania is a large state, such places and districts are chosen where something can be changed. here's how it works. so it's really about small groups, and it's dangerous in the sense that these small groups can play back decisive influence on the future. the scales will tip and, for example, in pennsylvania, all the voters will go hungry.

that jarosław kaczyński will definitely be president and bronisław komarowski became president by a good margin, so social emotions don't work as linearly as some people imagine, but that requires a little more analysis, so i get the impression that the experts are actually talking like you say, they may turn out to be right, but at this stage we are dealing with emotions, not expert analyses. ago critical, maybe yes, maybe no, that's my what's in my nature to try to think the answer, because you never know what's going to happen next, that's it, for moscow, everything that's happening in the us right now is the best news, they rub their hands, how will the kremlin act now in

this whole conflict, in the chaos that we see, the discussions in social networks, they will probably... there will still be decisions on capitol hill, in the house of representatives, in the senate, decisions will be made in the parliament, in the house and in senate, as it was last time, so in fact, this game is more difficult. in the united states of america, the president is not the king, but especially the vice president. for example, now someone could say that kamela garis is

some super-influential person who makes key decisions. but i don't think it would be wise to say that.

ex-president barack obama's wife michelle obama, but there are other names, and after such news they even pay a lot of attention, for example, the governors of several states, illinois, michigan, california, this is the secretary of transportation pete butijach, an openly gay man who is the father of twins in a same-sex marriage. even the name of former us secretary of state hilary clinton is heard. what do you think is the most realistic and interesting surname among the possible presidential candidates? the system is such that everything depends on the president, i assume that the president is actually sick, so it probably depends on his family and loved ones, i think that will be the case, certainly the situation with trump gives the democrats an opportunity for some kind of new start, and i don't know if it will happen, it's a very narrow circle, because, as we said, in a political sense the president of the usa shares his influence with the congress,

but on the other hand, personally, his position is strong, that is, no one knows it, this position is especially strong in this period. right before the campaign, because now he himself should say that he will not run for office, maybe he will say it. if we talk about the speeches in washington, if it were not for the context, i know from my experience that when you talk a lot about something, you can make obvious mistakes. it's not that every mistake is a problem, the problem here is consistency of events, which is perceived, even if everything was said in essence, and biden's speeches at the nato summit were meaningful, he showed that he controls important issues, well, and then one statement at the end and everything is already bad, that's how it works, unfortunately. so all in all he can't even get over it, he seems to be somewhat cornered by his patient. but in your opinion, it is biden who is the most realistic candidate.

what will trump's policy actually be, what will putin do, or will he burn out? because putin will want to take advantage

of trump's arrival very quickly, and it may turn out that he has nothing will work. and i do not rule out the scenario that trump will become more radical, because biden's policy has also been criticized not only from trump's point of view, but for example from such positions as kasparov did, criticizing him for too little participation or late participation, or for drip-feeding , or for the fact that help always came when the situation... at the front was critical, which was especially visible this spring, so trump's policy, that is, biden's policy, trump's policy, biden's policy, you see, i was also wrong, trump, biden can be confused, biden's policy has also been criticized, and not only from trump's position, but also from pro-ukraine positions, so it is possible to imagine that there will be circumstances in which trump, for example, will decide that he needs to show strength and change his approach, we have repeatedly seen such things in politics, and again i go back to... who is such a new character, and this is basically an actor who a few years ago and even more recently, because he's young, was very critical of trump, and now he's a supporter of trump, so i think that it makes sense to talk about politics when

we calculate the scenarios that can happen, and not when we focus on any one solution, i think that it makes sense to talk when i have invented scenarios that i can beat, and not betting on which mountain solution, one way or another, in any case , it seems that with everything that is going on now... there may be more such scenarios in the states. the usa is a leader in the democratic world. in nato, important for supporting ukraine and poland against threats from the north and east. we can say only one thing: there are many domestics in europe tasks, and these tasks must be completed quickly. exactly. at the same time. another important news. resigned on monday in connection with the planned appointment to the position

of head of eu diplomacy. an important step. we see how kaya kalas goes to this destination, and we understand that in the kremlin at such moments they tear their hair out. after all, kala is aware of her energy in the fight against russian aggression. there is a part of her own in this too. history, because the politician remembers soviet repression against her family, she herself remembers soviet tanks in her cities countries, it's the 91st year of estonia's independence, have you ever met kaya kalas, what can you say about her and how good news for european diplomacy and bad for russia. i probably didn't communicate with her so thoroughly, i probably met her. at several conferences, for example, i think we were together recently at a conference in munich, but i don't remember any conversation with her, she encoded everything related to the soviet sphere and russian support, on

the one hand the enslavement of estonia, and on the other another her family was a nomenclatural family, that is , they also participated in this regime, because that's how it was, later she became one of the most pro-western and pro-european politicians, her strength in her views and understanding, but her weakness in what she represents... polychek is understandable, but there is, if we honestly analyze it, there is a certain element of weakness in kalas, but you and i are discussing the american context in such detail today, and she will surely speak for the us secretary of state, from the position of the representative of the entire eu, but still from an icy country. it will not be so easy for her, because there will always be a suspicion that she... sees the situation objectively, only through the prism of her experience. small countries with powerful leaders and huge countries with weak leaders, with weak leaders,

we'll see. we'll see how it goes, because i think there's a lot of momentum in the us. kalas is good for us, but that 's not all, it's a bit like business, what is your strength in the morning can be your weakness in the evening. her strength lies in the fact that she knows the region well, she is very familiar with it immersed, but someone else will say: well, that's why she thinks that way, she's biased, she will definitely have to face such arguments, and it does not look like a sweet cake at all. thank you for this conversation, about politics, about the world, we will take a short summer one.

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