thank you, andriy, but we are moving on, in fact, and we see that this is the situation, such are the opinions of mr. vitaly portnikov, such are the opinions of our other experts, and on, on, on, we, uh, and on we have one more guest to discuss with. we will also discuss this topic with the reactions of american society, american dignitaries, influential persons, we now have andriy dobryanskyi, the spokesman of the ukrainian congressional committee of the united states of america, on direct contact. mr. andriy, we are glad to welcome you welcome, thank you for joining the espresso channel. greetings, thank you for. i guess

i'm sorry on the american side that the news was delivered to you so late, but that's the world , as it is, we're following all of this, we're also worried, because it's important for ukraine, and all of ukraine is watching the situation now in the united states of america, the peace of the world depends on this , of course, the political, geopolitical situation in... and in ukraine also depends on this, because there is a war in ukraine, and the support of the united states of america, stability in the united states of america is very important to all of us, including. mr. andriy, if we are talking about the first reactions to the fact that the president of the united states, joseph biden, withdrew from the presidential race, what are the reactions of prominent people? there are reactions, perhaps

from the expert environment, journalists, what is the first emotional or pragmatic wave of these reactions in the usa now? first, first, everyone is looking at this as a historic moment that we haven't seen since the vietnam war when president johnson refused to seek a second term. most of all historians are now now they speak on tv channels, and this includes that historical period, and because they are still looking for the voices of politicians, political scientists, and who used to think that maybe after this weekend we will hear something like this from president biden, but in the fact that he got sick and now has covid, i i think this is the main reason why he will not speak to the people through the camera until later in the week, when he has recovered a little, and also... and it

will be interesting, already now people are thinking about those various governors who have been mentioned for a month , which could be candidates, i think, are that president biden very quickly came out and endorsed the candidacy of vice president garres, that we are now looking for a vice presidential candidate, not as a presidential candidate. but we just spoke with vitaly portnikov and... with oleg shamsher, regarding the technological, technologically difficult process of electing the next candidate from the democratic party, that is, we understand that there was a primary, we understand that biden was still supported by an absolute majority, there under 100% of the delegates, yes, we see that now biden is talking about supporting kamala harris.

the vice president of the usa, but it is clear that she must also be supported by her political power, the democratic party, should it be necessary to hold primaries in this case, or is it possible that there will be some other process that, most importantly, will fully legitimize this succession, this transfer, so to speak, from one... presidential candidate to another in order to avoid as much as possible this chaos among the voters and in particular in the democratic party? there are three technical problems that need to be overcome, and i would like to mention this one not mentioned in the third place, first of all it all has to do with money in the american elections and the fact that vice president geres is a union.

along with president biden, as biden herres the company, it has, it is the only one that has the right to use the money that people have given or companies have given to a charitable foundation. in supporting the biden harris campaign, that's one thing that's very suddenly looking quickly at vice president herres as the next candidate, because any other governors or candidates, even if the primer was open, they wouldn't had access to all those hundreds of millions that have already been collected. the second technical problem has been in the finals since the beginning of august. to give a deadline here in america, when we have to start printing ballots, by then we have to decide on the candidacy, we know that the democratic convention or convention will be at the end of august, but by then, before we start, we have to

have a name in certain states this candidate or candidates, as the vice-presidential candidate will be, the democrats have already mentioned that there will be some kind of virtual procedure. and in the next week and a half that everything will be resolved as soon as possible, before we even get to the convention, where people have said to open such a primary, but everything has to be agreed that there is a problem that the laws in some states clearly surround that you have to have the name of the candidates by a certain day , i think no later than august 10, for some, this is a very big problem. which must be decided, and then in the third place, how do we get to how do we get to this, well, who will choose the candidate, so in the statutes of both parties it is prescribed that the selection of the candidate takes place at the conventions, but already the delegates were chosen, with

today's letter officially president biden refused, gave permission to his delegates that they are not obliged. to vote for him, because it is in the party charter, they are obliged to vote for the one with which people voted in their state, then now some procedure will be necessary, i think the easiest will be some virtual virtual procedure, and it will be only for delegates , not for all members, and they will somehow agree in the next week and a half on the name of both candidates, but it is already starting to appear some information, perhaps, about other candidates, alternative candidates, because in recent weeks there have been various kinds of information in the american media, that

the candidates could be either one of the governors from the democratic party, or maybe one of the representatives of the senate, congress or in general ... some alternative candidate that we didn't hear about today, we didn't guess who he might be, some such information has already appeared, or is appearing, today there, or at the present time, that is, we are fine we understand that considering this chaos, alternative candidates may also appear, yes, yes, earlier in today's news there were decoders. candida , the governors who were proposed, because they have a powerful team, they have a team that has contacts all over america, and this is the governor of california, the governor of pennsylvania, as well as the governor of illinois, there is

chicago, and earlier we talked about the governor of michigan, but she said, she, she used to, or her spokespeople said, she would refuse to be president, and that she's not now... wasn't prepared for that, but now the conversation changes, because if president biden endorses vice president geres to be the candidate, and if, if she is the only one who has permission to use the hundreds of millions of money that has already been raised, no other candidate could have raised that much money and more money so quickly , then it is very important that she still remains, as she will be the president, then attention is paid to which...

which candidate will become the vice president and which state, we could urgently defeat this candidate. that is, now, as far as i understand, the number one question. for democrats, it is is to sway at least a few percent of voters in key states, we understand that there are four to seven such states, traditionally during various campaigns, some say four, some say seven, some say three, but it is clear , which is up to seven states, where you need to tilt, at least by a few percent, because the difference. there within, within, quite small, that is, in this case,

what do you think the democrats need to do in order for voters in these states to vote for the future candidate who whoever he is, or rather, yes, i think as soon as possible they need to have this virtual, virtual dialogue in order to under... overturn that kamela hares will be the official candidate, and as soon as possible in august , then not only the democratic party in general and america can get to work to somehow change all the ballots and everything else, and to motivate our volunteers throughout the country, but it is important that then vice president geres can campaign for the whole country herself. she was quite silent now, for no one knew what happened to president biden, we saw how

president biden actively participates in the campaign, president, former president trump, it is very important that she visits those states, and don't you remember when she first became a candidate in 16- this year, she had some of the biggest rallies, the biggest rallies of any candidate, when she saw the... votes in california, where she's coming from, like other states, massive, millions of people would come out to hear from her, then a i think the democrats would very much like to decide urgently what she will be the official candidate and then immediately she starts her candidacy, that is, in your opinion, kamala harris is still the most optimal candidate and from the point of view of the organization, right now. voting in the democratic party and from the point of view of possible legal succession both from

the side of biden and from the point of view of possible sympathies, because by the way, in fact, she can potentially become the first woman, president, president of the united states of america, and here she also has, maybe there is, there is a certain background that lies. in that for she can be voted for by women, well, traditionally , as it happened in europe, in the countries of the european union, when they won, so the candidates, women, that is, she has a certain mobilization resource, that is, there are two more factors, not only is she a woman, but she is dark-skinned from the american weather, thirdly, she is half-hindu, ugh, and very, very much tram company. appealed to the hindu minority here in america, you know how he

has worked closely with modi and wanted to show that he supports this, and also one factor that a woman vice presidential candidate wentz, she's kind of of hindu origin, so there's a very important ethnic minority here that the candidates haven't tapped into before, but people thought, some political scientists think that might be a big factor... this year, not just because of kamel garres, but through jay vance as well. by the way, mr. vitaly and i have already said that biden, i’m sorry, trump and trump’s representatives, well, they’re hyping it up, it’s clear that they’re using it all, but i’ll also read it to you in particular, that trump said that to win vice president kamala harris will have an even easier time than joe biden, so he... he thinks that, well, at least publicly, he thinks that it won't be that big

of a problem for him, in that case, if there's a new candidate, or ms. kamala, or maybe someone else, how much will this reduce or increase trump's chances, in your opinion, or will these chances still remain within 50 until the end of the election campaign... 50 and we are in fact until the first decade of november we will not know who will be the president of the usa. i think we will know better when americans are simple americans, not us political scientists, not us who look at the social network every day and on the news, but ordinary americans, they do not think about voting forever, until already in september or maybe even in october, most americans year after

year do not think for whom vote until the last minute, then those ratings when they come out in october and ... i think they will give us a better understanding, until then we still have to have a debate, wentz, against any candidate from the democratic party, like this if it happens that vice president hares will be the candidate, then she still has to have a debate, no just one, there might be different debates with president trump, and even before this time, you know, when we were, in the summer of year eight... the global financial crisis didn't start, so we don't know yet what other crises would have been included in this campaign and what would change the minds, we still have quite a lot of time, and what consequences for world geopolitics will this decision of mr. biden bring, because we understand that de facto we are moving into such

a regime of turbulence, and de facto it is turbulence in including for... ukraine, because when there is no certainty, when we see that the presidential administration in the usa, it becomes quite vulnerable in this period, yes, should we really expect such and such turbulence here, including in relations with ukraine, but about the turbulence here in america, it is... very strange, yes president trump, who has always been the chaos candidate, and here it looks like he's going to emerge as the stability candidate, and that's not a role that he has expertise in for everybody, but for the whole world, i think that's going to be a change, but don't forget, how many international conferences has the vice president already participated in, uh, uh, no, no

at the very least, she was america's representative in the world. peace summit, and last month i knew that some people from ukraine complained a little why there was no higher position, but now maybe it's good, maybe it turned out quite well that it was her voice and her presence there in switzerland, but how will it really be the next president of america, and mr. andrii, thank you very much for your thoughts, for your analysis, for finding the time to join us. to convey the opinion of what is currently happening in the united states of america, thank you, andrii dobryanskyi, spokesman of the ukrainian congress committee of the united states of america, was broadcast live on the espresso tv channel. well, that 's the situation we have right now, actually, we see

that... what actually and all kinds of news, i say again that some republicans are saying that biden should step down, and again information is coming out, and wall the street journal writes about it that senato, senator rixot, member of the house of representatives alice stefanik called on biden to resign as president of the united states of america, a senator from florida, all of them, by the way, are republicans. criticized kamala harris, stated that we cannot allow the american dream to be destroyed and replaced by californian socialism, so in the continuation of this we are watching the republicans hype, the republicans are now in this situation, realizing that the democrats are

as vulnerable as possible, trying to hit every possible pain point points, and this, as they say, has passed... just like that, one hour since the current us president joe biden decided not to participate in the election campaign, in fact, i emphasize once again, for ukraine, for of the world, this is, of course, a signal that the united states of america is now in a position of political turbulence, the united states of america is now in a position of uncertainty, we understand that there are processes going on that, perhaps to some extent, will influence both ukraine and the european union. we don't know what to expect from the potential candidates because the one candidate we know is republican donald trump and we

don't know 100 percent who the democratic candidate will be if it's kamala harris, we need to understand more than anything that this will be, as i said, a kind of succession, a smooth transition of biden's politics. to the policy of kamala harris, and this policy will probably be the same, because after all, it is the same administration, it is still the same position, and in this case, we should probably count on a similar policy regarding ukraine, and this will also apply to helping our state, and political support, and political communication with partners in the european union, and by the way, relations, including with china, with the occupying power of russia, with their position, which will relate to the situation in the middle

east, this is in the case that there is kamala harris, then we will understand that there are two candidates who profess, we will roughly understand more precisely what directions and visions they profess political, geopolitical on... different processes in the state and in the world, if, in our case, there will be some uncertainty, there will be some completely different candidate, and we will see that, as our guests also said, we will see it in the next three weeks or so , that is, to by the end of the first decade of august , the position of the democratic party should be determined, then we will... look and understand who will profess which position. at the expense of donald trump, we still do not ultimately understand

what his position is regarding ukraine, whether he will support ukraine in full, whether he will still go to some negotiations and concessions to putin. trump's position, it's fluid, it changes almost every week, and what he's said. there several months ago what he is saying now is there can be different things, he can also be influenced by different factors, so in fact, even hypothetically, if donald trump becomes the president of the united states, we do not know what position he will choose, will choose at the time of his election and most importantly, at the time of his potential accession to the position, if we are talking about the democrats, then... it is more definite here, it will be approximately the same position that was in the administration of joe biden with some, perhaps small deviations

to the right and left, in the event that it will some other candidate. for russia, of course, it is parallel to how our guests give their evaluations today. at the same time, i look a little at how they react. in russia, in the state, the occupier, and there, frankly speaking, it is a holiday, they are also happy there, there they write out in all their public places, huge sheets of posts about, look at the chaos in the united states of america, look at what is being done there, there have already appeared a bunch of memchiks of various kinds, that is, russia is happy today, because for russia any kind of chaos. in any civilized state, this is a holiday. and, therefore, of course, when elections take place, there were recently elections in the european parliament, before the european parliament,

there were elections in france, there was exactly the same similar situation, so for the whole world, and this is also a lesson for ukraine, we must understand that we should not give russia, we should not give these terrorists the opportunity to be angry, the opportunity to divide societies, the opportunity to actually destroy democracy from the inside, because russia is also reported, and now during the election campaign in the united states of america, and under during the election campaigns in other countries, it reports information, reports through its bots, through its agents of influence , reports in order to destabilize the situation in order to... sow chaos as much as possible, sow discord as much as possible in these countries, and i am more than convinced that they

are trying to do this in... including even now in the united states of america, we , if we remember 2016, we will remember 2020, how the occupying state tried to interfere in these elections, how the occupying state used a huge amount of their resources on the internet in order to influence the election process, in order to show off, to show whether it is favoring a certain candidate, or in general ... to polarize their society, now they will do the same, so the world, unfortunately, unfortunately, really, at least for several months, is moving even more into a period of turbulence. the world, although it has been in a very unstable situation since 22, since february 24, 22, it will now become even more

turbulent because...that the united states of america is going to be on the wane for a while because of probably the dirtiest, or the most difficult, or the most polarizing election campaign, possibly in the entire history of the united states of america. we've never seen a campaign so dirty, a campaign so far beyond what's cool. sense beyond any adequate accusations, beyond any questions of legality, we see that this election campaign is also permeated with the same criminal cases, trials against donald trump, and american society will also have to give answers to this, they will also have to choose and understand their own before going to vote. choice,

to understand that the fate of not only the united states of america will depend on this choice, but the fate of many countries, the fate of many continents, the fate of democratic education in general will be determined, that is why we spend a lot of time, put a lot of effort into talking, analyzing, think, invite people. which will analyze the elections in the united states of america, it is not it is less important for our country than, of course, that the situation, for example, is political in our country, because the political situation in the eu, the political situation in the usa, will always reflect on the political, economic, and military

situation. in ukraine, and we well remember how this braking or blocking, allocation of aid from the lower house, the house of representatives of the united states of america, how painfully and catastrophically it affected the ukrainian front, when from october to april, in fact, we did not had sufficient direct assistance from the united states of america, and this allowed the rush... there it allowed the occupiers to occupy more parts of our territories, allowed them to regroup, allowed them to hit our territory as much as possible, so we will observe, we will analyze and in fact we will understand that the nearest several months, these are difficult months for ukraine, for the world, for each of us, but... we have

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