your place is waiting for you, the light remains on, for dinner - what you love, a warm bed is made, there will be walks. swings and swimming, they are waiting for you on your streets, at school, in your church, because in your house they see dreams about you, you are always in front of their eyes, they cry for you, they pray for you, we did not give up, because we knew. that you are already

somewhere nearby, half the battle is to know how hard victory is given, and we will do everything to hug you as soon as possible, so when you are at home, when we are together, we are more than family. we are a nation united around you. good evening, saturday political club, live ether, and we traditionally talk about the main events of ukraine at this hour, traditionally at this time.

the world, what worries our citizens and what is important for our ukrainian victory. today, of course, we will talk about the terrible murder of iryna farion in lviv, we will talk about possible negotiations, about the situation in the united states of america. of course, we will certainly talk in general about the security issues of our country, about zelensky's visit to great britain, as well as about in fact... the first conversation between zelenskyi and trump in a long time, we will discuss all this in a slightly different format, today with vitaliy portnikov for two hours, but via skype, via internet connection, and mr. vitaliy should be somewhere soon in touch, mr. vitaly, glad to see you, today in a slightly different format, but i am sure that we will discuss everything. and

we will definitely convey all your thoughts to the audience. i greet all viewers, and i think we can start our conversation with you today, because really events, unfortunately, and there are a lot of sad events, important events. mr. vitaly, you have already told about really sad events, and unfortunately there are many such events. the murder, the language... the political skills of former people's deputy iryna farion happened in lviv. we saw all this yesterday and i think our viewers are following this terrible event during last night, during today. in fact, we see that ukraine is returning to a certain extent in the last month or two there to... unfortunately, such a concept

as, if not political murders, then murders iconic persons, iconic people, we remember how mr. sadikov was killed, a kazakh, a famous politician, a famous journalist, more precisely, a famous public figure, now we see that iryna farion was brutally murdered in lviv, as all this proves, mr. vitaly, we... find ourselves in some new reality, we should expect, perhaps, new assassination attempts, what is the subtext of all this? please, well, i think that it is just right to talk about political murders, to be honest, and indeed you mentioned the murder of aidos sadikov, i also mentioned him yesterday as soon as you heard that irina farion was killed, for what reason? by and large, all this happened exactly according to the same scenario. people, as if they were different

, blame the murder of aidos sadikov on people who came to kyiv through the polish border and left, by the way, through moldova. but they were employees, at least former members of the kazakh special services, but they behaved exactly like the young man who killed iryna faliona, that is, they watched their victims for a certain time, they came to the homes where aidos sadikov and iryna farion lived, and they committed a murder in broad daylight, and it was... practically the same style of murder, a shot to the temple, that aidos, which iryna farion had, sadikov, unfortunately, was not talked about much in the ukrainian information field, and we with you, we tried to somehow make up for this fact, because i

believed that this was the first such a serious signal that in this way the effectiveness of ukrainian law enforcement agencies is also being tested to a large extent, as far as it is possible to continue the process of destabilization, intimidation of people, that people concerned about security their own and those whom they trust, who are important to them, what is important is that demonstration killing, you know very well that when there is a moment of danger, and it is absolutely such an instinctive reaction, you are always told not to go, in the evening , oh, it is very dangerous to walk at night, yes, we even have a curfew after 12 o'clock at night, because it is considered a time of danger, but both of these murders, and aidos, and irina, farion, happened in broad daylight, demonstratively , actually in front

of people, i.e. people want just to take away this feeling of at least relative security. those ordinary people who are sure that if you walk in broad daylight, so to speak, nothing will happen to you, that there is danger at night, when some saboteurs, terrorists, some criminals appear there who are looking for their victims, this is a stereotype, and they are trying to break this stereotype. now the question arises, why? we understand that each murder has its own purpose, and that one cannot compare, say, a kazakh journalist and a political activist with a ukrainian political activist and publicist, that these are actually different civilizational spaces, but people who achieve different goals have this common denominator, this destabilization of the situation,

of course, in the case of iryna farion , it is also very important that she was perceived as a person who was the bearer of radical views, character, she never hid them, participated in the activities of radical political organizations, and therefore there can be no indifferent reaction to her premature death, both you who knew her and you who did not knew, then existed with her in different civilized worlds, i don’t know, are you familiar with, say, andria and eryna fariot, well, if not directly, then in absentia, in absentia yes, that is, no, not in absentia, i mean, i admit talked we had conversations, personally no, on the internet yes, well, i never, we have a huge number of mutual acquaintances, that is, dozens of people, there are a lot, but i have not spoken a single word to her in my life, so you understand, we could appear on the broadcasts

of the same television channels in turn, commenting on something, but i saw her like this in real life, once in my life on the maidan in 2013, in the 14th year, i was just passing by, since we were strangers, we did not say hello, and that's how i remembered that she was standing there on the maidan, together with other representatives of the all-ukrainian freedom association, and i knew these people personally, and i was not familiar with her, which means that you can live your whole life next to a person who has such a real, i would say, public resonance and not even be familiar with her, and while working in this very plane in fact, it again... does say that we we live in different civilizational worlds, bearers of different political views in ukraine, despite the fact that it is not a very big country, and we are constantly in kyiv and lviv, we can not cross paths with each other, because we have no need in the dialogue, these are parallel worlds, let's say, the world

in which i live and the world in which iryna farion lives, these are parallel worlds, but they collide with each other for some time at some point, as you understand, because in any case it the world... of ukraine, and it was always very important for me that we all in of this world are united precisely by the desire for ukraine to exist. here i am, let's say i don't share there. i think a huge number of views of iryna farion, as well as a huge number of views of the representatives of the all-ukrainian freedom association, and when i was asked, why did you stand with these people on the maidan in 2013-2014, when you yourself say that most of that , what they express is very far from you, i said, because we are united by a simple thing, absolutely special in the conditions in which ukraine exists at all, this is our common the desire for a ukrainian state... to exist, but if there is a ukrainian state, we can fight in this ukrainian state for

our very option for the development of this state to win, of course i would like my option to win, not iryna's option farion, let's say, and iryna ferion wants victory to prevail over her view of ukrainian statehood and not mine, but all this struggle can be political only if there is a ukrainian state at all, and if there is no ukrainian state. as the president of russia dreams of it federation of vladimir putin, and his compatriots, and a large number of our compatriots who do not understand at all why this state is needed, then we have no chance. so, our first task is to preserve ukrainian statehood in conditions where a huge number of people, millions of people, tens of millions of people, believe that it should not exist. and i always reminded when we discussed these issues, let's say how long government coalitions were built in the republic of latvia,

when the independence of latvia was proclaimed, it turned out that the russian-speaking population of this country, mostly the russian ethnic population, but also many representatives of other nationalities, such as ukrainians, belarusians who came to latvia after its occupation by soviet troops, are also part of this community, they voted, as a rule for one such big russian... party, conditionally a russian party, whose task was to preserve the special relations between latvia and russia, not to let latvia out of latvian, russian arms, and then to prevent such a party to power, not to give it the opportunity to promote russian peace in latvia, to give it the opportunity to continue to leave the semi-colonial state in which latvia was during all the times of both soviet and russian imperial occupation, all... latvian parties from liberals to national radicals,

they united in a joint coalition, i remembered it from the beginning of the 90s, so i came to my friends who were representatives of liberal political currents in latvia, and they sat at the government meeting with ministers together with the tevzemion party briviboy, fatherland and freedom, it was called the all-ukrainian union of freedom, and it was such a radical national party, i would even say, a party of an ethnic project, and they did not hide it, but what united them with these liberals, they wanted latvian statehood, and of course, there was a dilemma here, either you unite with what they called a national block, or you lose the opportunity to build a civilized statehood, so you have to look among yourselves... because latvia one, and ukraine, we have it on one for all, in conditions where there is an option that

the ukrainian state should become just a number of regions annexed to russia, and this is what usually unites the union, because it always wanted the ukrainian state to be, let its views on this ukrainian the state were sufficiently radical that she left no such doubts to herself that... the views must be expressed in the strongest possible form, perhaps offensive to many of those about whom she spoke, but in any case they are the real views of a person , which believed that the ukrainian state can continue to exist on the political map of the world, no matter what threats to its future arise in the next stormy, difficult years for ukraine, in the 20s and 30s of the 21st century, the years of testing crises, deaths and tragedies, this is the era we've begun to live in, which we'll be living in for a very long time, black... not the time, so in that sense, i think that's how we should view this assassination. mr. vitaly, but

if we, after all, analyzing, we come to the fact that in fact the only beneficiary of the murder of farion is russia, yes? we, we actually observe no, we just talked about two murders, similar to a certain extent, but also not similar, so similar in a certain way. approaches, but in addition to this we see other acts of destabilization on the part of russia, we see now, and by the way, it has been proven by the security services of ukraine, how russia actually employs our communities. for example, setting fire to the cars of the armed forces of ukraine, that is, our defenders, this is how we see how effectively they work in social networks, destabilizing, throwing in a huge amount of information, we see how the number of fakes has increased, and what's more, we are watching how our citizens are

already beginning to involve the russians in acts of direct action, criminal acts, that is, or? can we, conditionally speaking, combine all this into one specific offensive, a hybrid offensive, perhaps by russia, actually within the framework of destabilizing the situation in ukraine, and another question is whether we should expect any further acts of terror from the russian federation in the near future. well, first of all,... we talk a lot about the fact that there is a war on the front line, everything else is the rear, and the main thing is to win the war on the front line, this is absolutely correct, because if you don't win the war on the front line, you can lose the country, because the enemy's troops can simply occupy its territory, but there is another important point in the development of the situation, this is the rear, which is rotten, the army can fight valiantly

on the front line, but if it is not possible to hold the situation in the country itself... economically, socially, demographically, then in principle all the efforts of the armed forces become completely useless, and the people who serve in these armed forces, return to the desert civilization, in which they will not know where they are, children, because the state they protect can simply disappear before their eyes, and that is why when we speak, we hear all these famous phrases that the most important thing is to provide from armed victory as such, everything else is on the third plane. we all the time forget about this, the completely opposite process is possible, that it is possible to hold the front line and not hold statehood behind the armed forces of ukraine, a complete wasteland can begin, and this is what the russians are working on, and by the way, you do not understand any, these are not my assumptions, this is how it was in history, i want to remind you of the first world war, the surrender of germany, when germany

surrendered, there was not a single foreign soldier on its territory, it is not even... as is currently happening on the territory of ukraine, 20% of which is occupied by a foreign army, and german soldiers defended the interests of the german state on the territory of other countries, that is, they did not let the enemy into germany itself, and that during their military work, the german the state rotted from the inside and capitulated to the victors on whose territory the german army was. the same thing happened with russia: the russian empire did not lose the first world war, moreover, it was in the camp of the winners. she just needed to maintain some internal stability to get the results of this victory literally in a few months, but the russian state rotted from the inside, as a result of the february revolution

of 1917 and especially, this is important to remember, the october coup. 1917, the organizers of which wanted to withdraw russia from war, the russian federation turned out to be the soviet russian federation, not in the camp of the victors, but in fact in the camp of the vanquished, from those with whom it waged war all these years, and stuck in this defeat in fact for life, for 100 years already, because even the victory in the second world war did not make the soviet union a truly victorious state, it underwent a demographic one. social catastrophe, remained a dictatorship, it is difficult to call it a victory, if we compare today's russia, today's germany, then the question will arise, who won in the second world war, after all, what a country, well, and i would like to remind you that the belligerent countries worked carefully to degrade the enemy, this is not a joke, the german special services made special

efforts to destabilize russia, knowing the weak points. special services... of the entente countries made efforts to destabilize germany, knowing its weak points. thus, what russia is doing from the point of view of ukraine is the right approach, absolutely logical, if you fail to make real efforts on the front lines to to conquer the territory by force, you need to say this state, you understand, just internally scrape it, scrape life with it, and you absolutely resort to various means. logical correct means if you want to destroy an enemy you don't want to see on the ground you hope to later take under your protection. the first is bringing the population to... a humanitarian disaster, the destruction of electricity, we are talking with you even now when there is no electricity in a large part of our territory and i do not have electricity, and we do not know how this situation will turn out

to develop in the coming months and years, we do not know when, in principle, we not only do not know in which decade the war will end, we do not know when ukraine will be able to restore its energy infrastructure, which means its economy, a normal standard of living, and so on , all this is in the past and it is not known when it will be in the future, and it is all russian work. so that the population in general understands that there is nothing for him to catch in this territory, he must flee, or he must look for such an authority that capitulates to the russian federation, and russia will already provide everyone, if not a normal life in this territory, then a normal life in magadan. well, this is one way, the second way is destabilization of intimidation, murder, creation of certain lines among the population, when you... destroy this or that well-known high-profile person, it was just a calculation when they killed irina ferion, well, we understand why ,

it was believed that ukrainians would quarrel among themselves precisely on this line, some would say: oh, she was a real eagle of the ukrainian language, and others would say, oh, she stained russian-speaking, and this once again says that the russians... who are organizing the plans for a special operation to destabilize ukraine, do not know us very well, because once again it is necessary to understand that we are united, regardless of political views, from liberal to ultra-radal and ultra-conservative , the idea of ​​ukrainian statehood, because we understand that this is our common boat, they simply do not understand it, that no one will quarrel about the figure of iryna farion, everyone will be caught up in... and the confusion about her death, about her such insidious murder, that's all, but i really

think that this destabilization company will continue in the future, by and large, it's also absolutely logical things, but we always asked, why in the winter of 2023, the 22nd, 23rd- th year, the energy infrastructure was not so destroyed. as it is done now, and because the russians were still hoping to break into the territory where they are now destroying the infrastructure, they believed that they would very quickly cover these territories with their power, and they did not want to spend extra rubles later to restore its own energy infrastructure. now they have no idea if they will be able to control these territories at all, and thus they have no interest in preserving the infrastructure in this territory. that's all. previously, they did not need political assassinations, because they believed that they would solve the situation anyway, they would simply go in and kill according to the lists that had already been developed in

the federal security service of the russian federation. now they understand that they will not go anywhere and therefore it is necessary destroy people artificially, so to speak. by the way, many people always asked vladimir putin, what is denazification? this is it. the murder of iryna farion is one of the moments of the denazification of ukraine, the physical destruction of people who express alternative views to krem's, everything is clear. i absolutely agree with you, because it is not necessary for russia to exist, to exist ukrainian national values, ukrainian politicians, ukrainian political forces, completely different, by the way, including with different views, but who profess to... one single goal: the preservation and prosperity of the ukrainian state. on behalf of the espresso tv channel, we once again express our condolences

to the relatives and friends of mrs. iryna, iryna farion, and of course we will remember her achievements, her contribution to the creation of ukrainian cultural, informational and educational spaces. i would like to talk. mr. vitaly, with you on one more topic, on the topic of security, on the topic of possible negotiations, here, by the way, one of, one of such, one of such interesting statements of mr. zelensky, actually this week, he said that it is possible to end the war by the end of 2024, well, in particular, it was in one of his many interviews, he also talked about the f-16. and about the end of the war and about possible negotiations, but actually this phrase of his is very interesting, interesting and resonant, this is

his speech about the fact that... by the end of this year it is possible, conditionally speaking, to somehow end the war, and here the question arises, more precisely, if we clarify, the hot stage of the war, not to end the war, but to end the hot stage of the war, and this, of course, all fits into that the scenario that we are told very often about now, both foreign experts and our experts, what is being actively discussed now, it is possible... negotiations, possible initiatives of trump, orbán. mr. vitaly, what , in your opinion, does mr. zelenskyi invest, actually, in understanding that, in understanding the end of the hot stage of the war by the end of 2024, and is it generally real, or is it, are these real words, or are these empty words that are not will have some real actions under them. and

the real plane. it seems to me that the main function of the president is to give people a certain hope, because we see that ukrainian society lives in the illusion of a quick end to the war all the time. and the authorities have been supporting this illusion since february 2022. moreover, without explaining specifically how it is possible to achieve not only a quick end to the war, but also an end to the war in general. the president himself clearly says, he also said it... when commenting on the proposals of the former president of the united states, donald trump, that he is sure that ukraine cannot cede its territories, because it will not be for her the end of the war, but will simply be a prelude to its new restoration as soon as possible, this is the first, but i would say that even this is not the most important thing in the president's views on the end of the war. it seems to me that we all

the time... do not take into account what vladimir putin wants, and this is an important thing, we discuss among ourselves all the time, and this is childish talk, the situation is as if we decide when to end the war, but putin puts us the goal is this, i would say the conditions are that we should recognize crimea, donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions as parts of the russian federation, we must recognize the neutral status, conduct. this demilitarization, denazification, and if we do that, the war will end, and because we are proud people, we don't want to do that, so the war continues, and this illusion is created that we have some option to end the war, by the way, which we in this way , we broadcast to the west that in fact, if we had finished, we would have wanted an unjust end to the war, then the war would have ended, and

we want a just end. war, and donald trump can tell us: listen, which one fair or unfair, soon you won't have any at all, you won't have a country, stop worrying about justice and injustice, accept these conditions that are being put forward to you, and end the war, we'll figure it out later, and trump's advisers say that if you end the war on these terms, we will arm you to the teeth so that they will be afraid to attack you, it's all fine talk, it's just talk between us in our camp so to speak, because donald too... despite all the infantilism of his political position too in our camp, not in the russian one, and he may have such an illusion that if he makes concessions, then the war, the hot stage, the cold stage, any stage can be ended, and i keep reminding you all the time, and this is an important thing, what actually wants putin, just today , just a few hours before my broadcast, this broadcast of ours with you, my

colleague, a well-known... western journalist, one of the greats of world journalism, called me, and she told me: i read your text what putin wants, i'm with you 100% i agree, she is the author of many books about russia, but it is very strange that no one in the west understands this, and it is impossible to explain it, and i clearly say in this text: putin wants the restoration of the russian empire, he needs the entire territory of ukraine, some crimea there, donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhya. he is not interested at all, these are random territories in general, the first managed to simply capture, but he could have captured not kherson and zaporizhia, but conventionally speaking, kharkiv and mykolaiv, if otherwise the front would have advanced, and then he would have insisted on them, and kherson and zaporizhzhya would be ukraine for him, that is, these territorial claims are completely delusional, he needs him to win in ukraine, so that he annexes the territory of ukraine either to the russian state

or to the russian sphere of influence. because it opens a real path for him.