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to say, a grande of world journalism, and she tells me: i read your text, what does putin want, i agree with you 100%, she is the author of many books about russia, but it is very strange that no one in the west understands anything, and maybe explain it, and i clearly say in this text: putin wants the restoration of the russian empire, he needs the entire territory of ukraine, some crimea, donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhia regions, he is not interested at all, this is just a case. territory that was simply captured, but could not have been captured kherson and zaporizhzhya, and conditionally speaking, kharkiv and mykolaiv, if the front advanced otherwise, and then he would insist on them, and kherson and zaporizhzhia would be ukraine for him, that is, this is completely delusional, these territorial claims, he needs that he won in ukraine, so that he annexes the territory of ukraine either to the russian state or to the russian sphere of influence, because this opens a real path for him. to
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the restoration of the russian empire and to russia becoming one of the most important players in to the modern world, that he was on an equal footing with trump and sydzenpin, even without the economic opportunities that china and the united states have, and by the way, i want to remind you again that this is not the first time in the history of russia, russia has always been a poor country, that it was rich in the 19th century, when the russian cossacks... entered paris, that it was a rich state, well, it had some natural resources, but in general it was poor, scientifically undeveloped, the russian nobility spoke french, they didn't know their mother, it was her a secondary raw material state, it was just timber traded, not oil, but it was the hegemon of europe thanks to force, only force, and because it was not afraid to use this force, because in it the price of human life was ... zero at that time , when
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the europeans were already thinking about this price, the russians had absolutely no need to think about it, and that is why the french who came there to the russian lands in 1812 were shocked by this, even napoleon, who never counted soldiers, was shocked by how the russians they treat their own, not others, it has already become more soviet tradition, that's all, so it's absolutely again, i'm repeating logical problems, is it possible to achieve some... some kind of negotiations with putin in such a situation, i don't see such possibilities, because i imagine that if donald trump and volodymyr zelensky during their conversation today discussed some directions, perhaps achieving peace, then this peace cannot be achieved without putin anyway, if they really think there, relatively speaking in the headquarters of some trump, that they can promise putin something and he ends the war, then i would advise them
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to get rid of hamas, well, practice on the cats, let them promise something like this to hamas, it means less money needs to be spent, it is a small territory, the gas sector, so that the hamasites agree, not to terrorize israel, to recognize israel's right to exist, to agree that the palestinian state will not be within the borders of the entire mandated palestine of 1948, within the borders of at least the sector... of the west bank of the jordan river, let them say so. i want to know how much money donald trump can to pay them to agree to give up their real main objective, the destruction of the jewish state, and how when he's convinced that somehow these gimmicks aren't working, maybe he 'll start training on us, just again i repeat, simply because for the gas sector.
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less money is needed, and by the way, when the oslo agreements were signed, and when the israeli forces left the gas sector, and there was not a single israeli soldier left, everyone said then, i i remember i even read this in the israeli press that now residents of the gaza strip can build the united arab emirates on this territory, they are given a huge amount of money, ports, beaches, jewish settlers left huge flower plantations, greenhouses there, the economy is developing , as you like, well , they used all this money for the terrorist infrastructure, for the purchase of missiles, for the construction of construction workshops, the construction of missiles, for all this, because their goal is not to create the united arab emirates for themselves, not for sunbathe on the beach, do not add tourists, their goal is to destroy israel, such a big national... task, and this task for them
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is more than money, vladimir putin also has a much more ambitious goal than the hamasites, the restoration of his empire, because he is sure, and the most terrible thing is that along with this... with him, the vast majority of his compatriots are sure that without the territory from uzhhorod to ashkabad, russia will be a third-rate state, and this is not fair, it agreed to the end of the cold war, it agreed with the fact that there will be no communism, she started partnership relations with the west and whose retribution the west retaliated by dismembering her territory, slaughtering the living, inventing some ukraine, belarus, kazakhstan, no, more of this number. it won't go away with the russians, they won't allow themselves to be bullied, you want a nuclear war, mr. trump, get a nuclear bomb on your old head, that's it, all their logic, it's the logic of such absolute, ardent, obnoxious chauvinism, and with this logic will meet not only ukrainians who will live
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in the groundless illusions of the end of the war , there are still many, many years, but also the americans, who after the election of trump, can call upon themselves the third world war in all its glory, because i am sure that when... donald trump will offer putin benefits in his opinion conditions, and putin will simply send him to a ban, trump does not grant him this, because he considers himself the first person in the world, and if he says: well, if putin does not want it, let him take it to ukraine, he understands the consequences, implications not for europe, implications for asia-texas, because he will thus awaken china. ksidzenpin will decide that if... trump behaves like this with putin, then he will fear him even more, and there is another moment, i would say this moment in a circle, andrei: if you quarrel with russia, then you put up with it with
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russia in some way, then you open up opportunities for cooperation with china, because you may have such an illusion. but in fact, if this peace is shameful for the united states, you are only fueling chinese ambitions if, on the contrary, you continue the confrontation with russia, you're only making china more willing to help russia in this confrontation, because china knows for sure that if russia loses, that way it's their joint loss, and if they win, it's their joint gain, and that's absolutely, i'd say , an enchanted situation. but what do we all think about china, not only donald trump, ukrainians also think that of course they have a bad situation in the economy, and of course, they will never take any desperate steps, because they will have a difficult situation, and they can force to stop cooperating with and
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helping russia is also an illusion, well when you tell me, members of the central committee of the communist party of china, economics was more important than ideology when deng xiaopi... the actual founder of modern china said that we need this black gut that does not it doesn't matter what color she is, let her just have to catch mice, he meant that any means are good for maintaining the power of the communist party of china, but who told us that this cat is only the economy, and xi jinping is not the economy now operates, a unification of the motherland, reunification of the motherland, he is already following the same path. which his friend putin followed, his friend putin followed the path of economics until 2014, remember we always told you, oh, russians have never lived as well as under putin, it was true, if you look at the average salaries , pensions in russia at that
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time, they are not comparable to the incomes of ordinary russians in any historical era. and the ukrainians were all delighted with what a rich and successful country russia had become, and vladimir putin was the most popular ukrainian politicians with foreign affairs. and everyone said, i heard it too. well, if putin is so interested in this preservation of the social standard of living of russians, he will not go to a confrontation with the west, he is not an idiot, but he was caught on this economic hook. now russia definitely cannot, it may be a country of managed democracy, but it cannot... take any steps that would completely destroy its relations with the civilized world, because it is important for putin to enter the lives of russians as the most successful politician from the point of view their vision standard of living sir, and then there was 2014, i'll
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finish this thought now, and it turned out that you can grab the russians by another hook, in the union of lands, and that for many russians , crimea, ours, is more important than pensions. here's your answer, mr. vitaly, let 's go back, actually, you already mentioned it, to the conversation between zelenskyi and... trump, for the first time in a long time such a conversation took place, they agreed to meet, to talk about peace. after the conversation with zelensky, trump said that he promises to end the russian-ukrainian war, well, it's him has already spoken many times, including at his speeches, during the election campaign, this time he said it personally to volodymyr zelensky, well, you already mentioned it. this topic, you have already talked about the fact that it is necessary to take into account the position of
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vladimir putin here. trump promises something to zelensky. mr. vitaly, you think that these are empty words of trump. is trump really counting on the fact that here he will make some kind of concessions, but again ... let's talk about what trump said he would put an end to russian-ukrainian war on ukrainian terms. what can be the base of these words? do i repeat myself again, these are just another words of donald trump, which he can change in a month or two or three, or immediately when he theoretically takes office as president, if he is elected, of course. i believe that the words of donald trump do not
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support the american president with any real possibilities, but i think that donald trump will try to implement them. the fact that donald trump is talking to volodymyr zelenskyi at all does not say that he does not care about the russian-ukrainian war, but the fact that he understands that a large number of americans support ukraine in this war. and on the eve of the presidential election in the united states, he doesn't want to ignore these people, because he understands that if he has to... to blatantly ignore these people, it could lead to, well, if you will, this real, real, real loss of votes voters who could vote for him. you and i were talking about senator vance, the vice president, now the candidate for vice president of the united states from republicans, he's from ohio, right? and there is a large ukrainian diaspora living in this state, which as a rule, as you know, vote for republicans, why should donald trump lose the votes of these people, he needs
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them to vote for trump and vance, vance will boo if they talk, here you are they didn't want to support ukraine, well, they didn't want to, well, i wanted to, i talked to president zelenskyi, i promised that the war would end on ukrainian terms, i promised that i would come to kyiv, what else do i have to do, so this is the simple logic of the pre-election struggle, i believe that despite all... the ambiguity of the current president's conversation with the former president, with the candidate for the post of president, this conversation has its benefits, because it once again reminds of the need for bipartisan support of ukraine in times of the russian-ukrainian war. this bipartisan support is a sign of the fact that, despite vladimir putin's many years of efforts, he will not succeed in realizing his goals of liquidating the ukrainian state, but regarding that president... trump will be able to end the war on the terms of ukraine, it is simply
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always important to me how he is going to influence not zelenskyi, as i already said, but putin, how president putin will listen to some of donald trump's demands, that this is what donald trump can say and do now, so that... putin obediently agreed to end the war on ukrainian terms, and maybe, just maybe, vladimir putin now benefits from freezing the war, and conditionally speaking, for some period, at least a short one, so that the war does not was in in a hot phase, maybe donald trump is counting on it. of course, i believe that it is beneficial for vladimir putin to freeze the war on certain terms, but on russian terms. the freezing of the war must take place on russian terms. ukraine must recognize itself as a defeated state. ugh. to start. and, by the way,
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former president dmitry medvedev is talking about this. let even them admit their defeat, give up the territories. they will agree to our terms of all this demilitarization, denazification of neutral status and everything this other and we will then come back and kill them in their beds, if we translate his statements from bureaucratic language to reality. and they are. are ready to freeze the war, when it will be an obvious humiliation of ukraine and the west, because it is a humiliation of ukraine and the west, it frees the hands of everyone, both russia and china. and other countries that are going to bring the west to its knees in the coming years, and they are going to, and they will do it, in order to change the world order, because this, as i have already said many times, is not a war over ukraine, the ukrainian war is only one of the episodes of this struggle between democracies and dictatorships that is happening now, in general it is a struggle to change the world order, to divide the world
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between spheres of influence between democracies and dictatorships, and the west must clearly commit that it will not . in the world controlled by dictators, just as he, by the way, did not intervene in the world that was left to stalin after the yalta conference, but simply watched as soviet tanks killed hungarians and czechs and slovaks, however, this is the kind of world that vladimir putin needs and sidzempin, they will work diligently to build this world in the coming decade, that's why i say that these decades will be decades of crises, he, tragedy, disappointment. disasters unless the west gets its act together and strikes a real blow, but it must not be an economic strike, it must be a force strike against dictatorships, as long as the west is afraid, it will suffer one defeat after another, and eventually and in the west , people with dictatorial desires will come to power. and what role can the newly elected one play here, or rather not yet elected but trump's handpicked potential
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vice president of the united states of america, jd vance. that is, this person, i think that the vice president of the united states will not play any serious role at all, especially for trump, this is a beautiful figure to show there is an elderly candidate for the presidency, a young one, a president, a vice president, but trump picks his team on the principle of don't stop me from working, i won't stop you from living, so i don't think jd vance will play any role in the political life in the united states, as long as this political life has donald trump, uh, i said on the ship. the republican party has only one captain, but their views are somehow correlated, will they be correlated, or still, conditionally speaking, the views of divens are the views of divens, and they are not worth at all, as they say, you should not even give it some kind of minimal attention, and i don't know, to be honest,
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if the stranger has any kind of view, he has already changed his view so many times, and so many times has he adapted to the conjuncture. that i am not i will be surprised that his idea that he is completely indifferent to ukraine in three months will become views that we should only think about ukraine, because it is our main partner in the confrontation with the authoritarian world, from such and such people who are essentially komsomol members, he what is a typical komsomol member only from the it industry, and not from the centers of the youth scientific and technical society, as in the soviet union, for these people i expect anything, frankly, because i am... absolutely sure that a person, who said the day before yesterday that she was against trump, that trump is an authoritarian personality both in his personal relationships and in his public sphere, and then changed his point of view to the exact opposite, and now apologizes to trump for this, well, i apologize, i do not expect any, if you will, ideological integrity from this person , i do not at all believe in people who fundamentally, who
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change their fundamental political views, we see that really... donald trump is trying to squeeze the maximum out of his election campaign, we see that donald trump is trying to play, so to speak, on this opposition, that is, de facto , by choosing juvens, to show that look, in my team there are so-called young faces or new faces, yes, so of course it is interesting and we will definitely watch it, i hope that we will also... we will also talk about the election campaign, about biden, about trump, but i think we will do that after a short break, don't switch, and we will still have more than an hour to analyze the latest events, to analyze the situation with vitaly portnikov,
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ether, saturday politclub. we come back and continue to analyze the latest events, to analyze the most important things for our country and for the world. with vitaliy portnikov, so let's move on to another important topic that concerns the united states of america, that is , of course, the elections and those perepopeties that concern the president of the united states of america, joseph biden, we see that the pressure continues, the daily pressure on him regarding the possible withdrawing his candidacy from the elections, we have been discussing this with mr. vitaly for the fourth week. and as they say, for the fourth week we are measuring the temperature in the american electoral chamber, and so biden with
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election, at least according to his words he does not want to, i quote, he says: i am old, but i will not give up the fight, he said this this week, at the same time the washington post claims that the democrats are convincing biden, that his candidacy... harms the party, the candidacy of the current vice president of the united states, kamala harris, is also being actively promoted and discussed, and of course we are watching all this, that is , the pressure on biden, and even, by the way, a few days ago there was information about , that this weekend he can shoot with election race. so, mr. vitaly, uh, it's the fourth week and your assessment of this temperature in the american electoral chamber,
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what trends do you see now, has biden's situation really worsened, i believe that it 's not biden's situation that's worsened, but the democrats', huh , because the fact that they show such, i would say incredible fluctuations, it certainly somewhat reduces them. chances of winning the presidential elections and, by the way, in the congressional elections, because at a time when the republicans are showing absolute unity around donald trump, in the democrats are full, there is a complete lack of such unity, the republicans absolutely do not care what trump is confusing there, trump confused hungary with turkey, said that the president of turkey was orval, no one was interested in it at all, not even that... these liberal publications are close to the democratic party. biden's terms are being discussed as a situation of total crisis. i'm not talking about biden's cognitive abilities at his age.
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there are two people vying for the presidency of the united states whose cognitive abilities raise serious questions about the relationship with their age, and biden is no different from trump here, and trump is no different from biden, but trump is different from biden only in that the republicans give him everything he does, and trump once said that if he goes out into manhattan and kills there is a person, then the republicans will be delighted with his actions, and he is absolutely right, and if... biden goes to manhattan and throws garbage on the street there, the journalists of the new york times, washington post, economist will write about it in the very next minute, will show cnn report, and they will all be demanding that biden take his down candidacy, they won't even see the corpse of a person killed by trump, well, because it's trump, well, it's clear that he came out as a person, that we wonder why we have to talk about it at all, that's the essence of the matter. the election
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campaign in the united states, although why donald trump is still preserved in american political life, because the supporter of donald trump is absolutely everything , what will happen to donald trump, what will be the verdicts against him, what will he do, they want donald trump to lead america, period, don't bother us, don't tell us something bad about donald trump, you and i know that he is an ideal leader, but the situation in the democracy is different, and here the question naturally arises, if joseph biden really... refuses to run, who will really be the candidate, kamala harris, well, that's a possibility, but we understand that her popularity is significantly lower than that of joseph biden, she is not popular with many democrats, and in this situation people may simply shy away from participating in the election, which means that the democrats need a popular candidate, and not just not biden, how will they find this candidate, will they have enough time to
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hold. e fast primaries now in these conditions, no, the democrats can choose anyone as their candidate, but they need independent voters to join the candidacy of this candidate in those states where the fate of america is decided. now, according to polls, the difference in votes between biden and trump in these states is 1-2%, in favor of trump. but this is a sociological error, we do not know how it is it will look, as you know, before the 2016 election , everyone was sure that hillary clinton would win this trump election, precisely because she won in these states according to sociology, and according to the election, these states lost, and why did these states lose? because donald trump conducted an aggressive election campaign in these states, and hillary clinton is sure that she did not hold these states in her pocket anyway, so what do the democrats need to do, conduct
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an election campaign in order to stop trump, and they instead are campaigning to stop biden and that political myopia, i would say. well, again, you and i have spoken many times, and we have also expressed our surprise as to why the democrats are doing this, because they, among other things, understand that this is not only an election for the president, it is also an election for the house of representatives, ah... in fact, this, i would say, discord, this is the division of positions, the separation of positions in the democratic party, it also affects the possible results of the elections to the house of representatives, they may again lose the opportunity to get a majority , so still is it myopia or is it political struggle?
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are there forces in the democratic party that would like to take over the reins of political power and promote their candidates, because there is practically no logic in what is happening, from my point of view, but there is some logic in it , i think you and i have forgotten the time when the republican... the democratic party were parties of lively debate, and each of those parties had serious intra-party debates, and the party leaders had a lot of authority and influence on the attitudes of activists, yes has been for many decades, and the republican party that we see today is a completely different party, it is a party that is consolidated
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