accordingly, his tic does not stop either, and all of this can clearly even lead to discussions about the removal of hungary from the leadership of the european union. why is orbán doing this, why is he approaching certain red lines that can harm, including his positions, the positions, the positions of his country in the european union. well, i think. who wants to be a leading european politician, the only person who can travel to kyiv, moscow, beijing and meet with donald trump at the same time, and by the way, we see that many people follow him in the way that volodymyr zelenskyy also turns out to want to talk to donald trump, and he also wanted to talk to sijin pin, he made an effort to do so, and viktor roman does it without much effort, i think that is why orban has such an idea that he can absolutely calmly act in such a role. and

show how it is possible, and the fact that his possibilities, as the prime minister of hungary, do not correspond to the real possibilities of a peaceful settlement, i think he is absolutely not embarrassed, because he is photographed next to the leading politicians of our time, he visits big countries, well, russia, the united states, china, yes, in a few days, not every hungarian prime minister, or european prime minister in general, could afford such a tour, that's the whole point . orbán, he shows his weight in the international arena, even at the cost of such a cynical policy. then, let's face it, we ourselves gave orbán the opportunity to legitimize such and such his tour. that's when viktor orban was going to kyiv, and many people said, you can see the success of ukrainian diplomacy. orban is in charge of the european union, after his country became the chairman of the european union, he is forced to fly to kyiv to show that...

that he remains in the fairway of european politics, if orbán wants to be a european leader, then in the rank of the head of a country that presides over the european union, he just needs to go to kyiv. by the way, i myself wrote such a text, i myself called on viktor orbán for the first time since his presidency of the european union to go to kyiv. well, orban listened to all such advice that was available at the time and in the world press, and in the hungarian press, as it were, as it were. and he came to kyiv, such a victory, even orban is forced to go to kyiv, you remember that he was not in kyiv for many years in a row, and here it suddenly turns out that he needed this trip only in order to legitimize the trip to muscovites, imagine if borban had not been accepted in kyiv, had refused to talk to him here, he would not have gone to moscow anyway, because what is the point of him going to moscow or beijing when they do not talk to him in kyiv? and

everything is so perfect, he is the only western politician who can afford such a tour, and we gave him this tour with our own efforts, that's all. mr. vitaly, how exactly will the european leaders react? i have already said that there are opinions regarding the expulsion of hungary. well, again, if hungary continues to escalate this situation, if hungary... continues, orbán to be precise, continues to pursue such an extremely independent policy, which is contrary to the principles of the european union and, at least, to the postulates that european leaders, we can technically, legally, politically, expect that this country will be removed, by the way, it will be one of those... unprecedented, if it happens,

cases in the history of the european union. and to be honest, i don't understand how. even if you imagine that one country is removed from something, and is limited in some way, on the basis of some rules that exist in the european union, this also requires the unanimity of other countries. and you and i understand that at least the prime minister slovak robert fitzo will never vote for this in his life. ugh. so what is this. be threats, they may be important, but i don't understand how to implement them from an institutional point of view, i don't see such opportunities yet, you can make any statements, but if you don't have institutional opportunities, these statements will remain just statements and signals, and orman can understand this perfectly well, and you remember that robert fitzo supported his tour, he says that he himself would like to be in such a place, well why is he suddenly going to condemn orbán and vote for the removal of hungary from the presidency of the european union, when... from

his point of view he is doing everything right, but you mentioned fizo, can he join orbán, well, we understand that fizo now not... in very good physical shape that he still needs time to recover, we understand that it may be months, but purely theoretically, after these statements that you mentioned, could fico join orbán in the possible future tour, for example, to moscow or to china, or some other such authoritarian, semi-authoritarian leaders, i think that... orban does not need a fiza in this situation. ugh. orbán is a person with a very big ego personally. and he is unlikely to want to go with someone else. this is firstly, secondly, again. for this , it is necessary that the person who will participate in such trips has visited kyiv. orban has already

visited kyiv, but fizo has not. therefore, his participation in all these trips does not make much sense. orban can behave like a person who spoke with zelenskyi and by putin and then continue. all these trips, i don't know to what extent another trip to kyiv is in his plans, i'm not sure about that, but nevertheless i don't see any need now for fitson to join orbán and orbán to do it with someone else. and by the way, when we talk about hungary, another scandal is actually going on right now, hungary, in particular the minister of foreign affairs, mr. szijjártó , said that ukraine blocked the transit of russian. oil to hungary and slovakia. this, by the way, is very interesting, because in fact there is an extraordinary fire in hungarian oil, they talk about the fact that, in general, there may be a fuel crisis in hungary. they are trying somehow

to discuss this issue with ukraine now. here is this news and this situation, which is perhaps in the information space of our country, considering all the others. the array of events is lost somewhere, but i think it is worth paying attention to, because these statements, and indeed, if it is true that ukraine has blocked the transit of russian oil to hungary and slovakia, this may also affect to some extent the position of these two countries, in particular, we also remember these demands of hungary, so the last ones there are 11 or 13 demands that... before the unblocking of ukraine's movement to the european union, can this affect hungary and slovakia, and is ukraine really ready to block the complete transit of russian oil to these two countries,

which are still on the russian gas and auto needles. well, i already said that i think we are our invitation to victor. to the ukrainian capital, helped him legitimize this amazing tour through kyiv, to moscow, beijing and then to maralag to trump, and this too, let's not forget that there was also a meeting with erdogan in washington, also an important thing, so by and large , i think that volodymyr zelenskyi also understands that orbán simply used him, and this is such an answer, that if we do not behave honestly in politics, then we can also, let's say... stop lukol, which re -supplies oil through our territory, and you will solve your own problems. how will this affect the situation with the actions of hungary and slovakia? i think they will look for some ways alternative way to get russian oil, but they can after a certain time organize

some kind of performance by truckers on the ukrainian-hungarian border. make our economic situation worse. they can also do it and the hungarian prime minister. the slovak prime minister, they will not just watch their oil being cut off, they will try to cut off some of our cargo routes, but since there is currently no blockade by polish truckers and polish farmers of the roads to ukraine from ukraine, it cannot be that serious moment, but they will wait, they will wait for such a possible blockade, they can wait for some problems with the border, and when ... problems appear, i assure you, they will definitely invent something, so simple without economic consequences for ukraine , they will not leave it, we must understand who we are dealing with, it is true, but in any case, in fact, at the end of this year

, the agreement on the transit of russian oil and gas through the territory of ukraine expires, and there the issue of possible transit is being discussed, for example, azerbaijani oil. or gas, that is, here there is also such a question as to how to act in this case to ukraine, indeed, how to act to ukraine, to continue to supply, in fact to go to... on russian and hungarian conditions and supply oil and gas through our pipeline capacities, or in general to freeze any pumping of any - what through our gas transportation system, or even really look for some alternative supply, such an option is possible and which option will be acceptable for our country, in particular. in the current economic conditions in which we find ourselves, well, that's a good

question, because it's absolutely obvious that we have you need to preserve the ukrainian gas transportation system, the situation of the almost complete list of the ukrainian economy and the life of the country on western subsidies, these millions of dollars are of course an unnecessary moment, along with this it is clear that we cannot afford any new transit agreements with the russian federation now, but if you look so carefully, what about the russian federation... is it to preserve ukraine's status as a transit state? i think not, if we say that if the ukrainian gas transportation system stops working, if nothing will work, and this will lead to new losses, because we will not only not receive money, but also spend money to maintain this system in some working condition, this is a very serious problem, in this situation there is no doubt , you and i will be in such a difficult situation. situation, this is also such a real thing that needs to be said, uh, yes, i would say

that if you are talking about azerbaijani resources, through which country's territory should they go to get into the ukrainian system, well, it is logical that russia, of course, that's why what else, even, even if you take a physical map, it is impossible, at least for now, of course, any so... raw materials that go through ukrainian territory are raw materials of russian origin. we had a time with us when we bought exclusively turkmen gas, but it was not turkmen gas, turkmen gas was received by russia, and we received russian gas on a net basis. if we transport azerbaijani oil and gas, it will be russian oil and gas, and russia will simply take the appropriate amount for itself of the azerbaijani energy industry. all. so, without an agreement with moscow, this problem will not be solved anyway. we can reassure ourselves that this is not russian, but

all the same, this is a process of negotiations with moscow, or with whom, that is, it is one of the options for getting out of this situation, well, that's really what it's all about the ukrainian authorities also spoke, that is, we observe the situation, when possible, they try to present to us, to the society... this situation as if we are really buying azerbaijani oil there or azerbaijani gas, but in fact it is will be russian, and here the question arises, how to conclude this agreement with russia, we cannot directly conclude an agreement, can it be some third companies, intermediaries, well , azerbaijan can do it, and it can be done with intermediary countries, azerbaijan can conclude with ukraine and russia. agreement on the transit of its energy carriers, that's all, but again here is

the question, why russia? in principle, russia should be interested in the complete destruction of the ukrainian gas transportation system, in the fact that ukraine has ceased to be a transit state. ukraine absolutely does not need azerbaijan to supply its own gas and oil to europe. ukraine needs europe to buy not pipeline gas, but tank gas, so that it is more expensive, so that europe has economic problems, because... europe helps ukraine with weapons, and thus the european economy must be destroyed, like the economy of enemy countries, and not improve its energy conditions. the less money there is in the pockets of european governments, the less weapons ukraine receives, and the sooner russia will end its so-called special operation on ukrainian land, this is simple logic, so all the time when we talk about our interests, we should remember what russia's interests should be, and russia's interests are the destruction of ukraine, the impoverishment of europe. azerbaijanis, we have... the opportunity to supply our gas and oil through turkey, let's say, to european countries, in some other way, russia cannot prevent it,

it simply cannot, when it could prevent it, they tried in the 90s, even coups were organized in azerbaijan to prevent this, but to give their gas transportation system in order to to make life easier for those who need to be destroyed, for that you need to be complete idiots, i do not believe that russia will go for it, that is, russia should get something much more important in return, and again... what can we offer them, here are the interests of hungary and slovakia, which receives russian gas, oil, this can really be... such an argument for pumping azerbaijani gas, but if we stop this transit now and hungary will look for some other ways of receiving russian energy, then we will be left without it the last argument in his alleged search for compromises with russia, specifically with russia regarding the work of the ukrainian gas transportation system.

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national security council of the united states, will be working on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, dear mr. ambassador, glad to see you. well, the assassinations, the attempt on the candidate donald trump, we understand that there are much more questions in this story than meets the eye, but the key story is how it can affect not just the internal american stability, how it can affect global world politics and, in particular , the russian-ukrainian war, we understand that now donald trump, thanks to his injured ear, he now feels ... almost the winner of the race, and this also worries us, because the current president of the united states can speak in the role of the so- called lame duck, this is a dangerous situation for... for ukraine. i think the impact of the assassination will not be long-lasting in terms of the sympathy it will generate among the american electorate. so the immediate effect

is of course to activate trump supporters. and i think he's probably attracted a lot of undecided voters by looking so strong and determined, but the real problem is the weakness of president biden, the physical and mental weakness, who is now unfortunately suffering from the coronavirus. i think that after the debate with donald trump, biden looks to the american people too physically weak to do his job, or even win the election. and i think that's how it is. as long as biden remains the democratic nominee, i think almost at it is 100% certain that donald trump will be the next president, and the democrats still have some time to either nominate another candidate, such as camila. it's most obvious, or to hold a short, sort of mini primaries, where several democratic candidates could compete against each other and try to become the nominee, but

that would require president biden to agree to resign. so, again, to sum it all up, the assassination of trump has given him some short-term support, but i think in a few weeks, people will forget about the assassination and all they will remember is that... seems much stronger physically and mentally than biden. yes, i agree, both candidates are, so to speak, not of the first political freshness, but the situation can be, well, just kidding, critical for ukraine, so we already have a new vice president of the united states, and we understand that he was not one of the sympathizers of ukraine. donald trump promises to offer his plan, donald trump's plan is always going to rest on what... and who's in charge in the kremlin is, it's a very, very difficult situation, but, as you see the unfolding of the current situation, when we talk about ukrainian

issues and about the russian-ukrainian war in the united states, that is, now these few months are extremely hot, extremely hot, they can be decisive, and putin will never miss this window of opportunity. yes, sorry, forgot to answer this question. first, choose. on the optimistic side, it is important to look very closely at what vice presidential candidate jd vance has said about russia's war against ukraine and the nato alliance. the good news is that jd vance, unlike president trump, has never questioned the importance or value of the nato alliance, nor has he ever said that he does not want ukraine to win the war, or that he wants russia not to lose. he didn't say such things. his main argument was that the united states should not give ukraine such a disproportionate amount of aid, much more than the us's european allies,

because the european allies live next door to ukraine. he makes the argument that if european allies continued to spend on post-cold war defense over the last 30 years at the same rate they have been spending, they would have spent, he said, about 8,600. billions of dollars more on defense than they have been spending, and so he argues that if the us spends about $1 trillion a year on defense, and the europeans in total lag behind by $8.6 trillion, then they should catch up, in other words, they should catch up usa, but in any case it is clear that jay vance will support the position of the president trump regarding ukraine. yes, trump has repeatedly said that even before he... takes office, he will essentially pressure both sides to push for a cease -fire, regardless of whether that means ukraine having to give up its

territory , which was occupied by russia, and you know that trump has obviously always had sympathy for vladimir putin, as well as other world powers such as viktor orbán. it is currently unknown what exactly is included in trump's plan, but orbán is known to have visited trump immediately after the nato summit. after realizing that he was aware of trump's plan, and therefore orbán went to meet with putin. it appears that orbán is trying to play some kind of intermediary role in the implementation of trump's plan, but the bottom line is that if trump wins, we will definitely not see the same level of support as the $60 billion that was ultimately acceptable to ukraine. well, that's cool, we in ukraine would not like to be cheated by big and powerful world players. we understand that the question is in russian. which wars are not only a bilateral russian-ukrainian issue, it the issue around which the whole world is currently working, only a large part of that world, unfortunately, can support putin.

and accordingly, what should we do right now so that we are not replaced by those people who will support this plan of viktor orbán. in fact, this plan is most likely agreed upon both in moscow and beijing, it is not easier for us in ukraine, and we just have to survive and win. actually, i would like to ask you what is the danger of viktor orbán's so-called plan and whether there are prospects in general, that this plan should be pushed through, promoted. to impose on ukraine those environments that may be related to trump, may not be related, but if the orbán plan is so much talked about in different cabinets, the european union completely rejects it, it means that it can be a certain trade offer from the kremlin. orban has not announced publicly what exactly his plan contains, but it can be assumed that it will be a kind of ceasefire, under which ukraine will definitely

have to give up some territory. maybe i don't know, it might be something similar to the so-called istanbul proposal of march 22, according to which, as if ukraine agreed to remain neutral, never to join nato, russian troops would have to withdraw their units from the territory they had occupied since the full-scale invasion, and the future status of crimea and donbas will be determined in the future. this was a preliminary offer. i don't know what orbán's proposal includes, but it doesn't really matter. i want to sound impolite, but i will say that viktor orban is nothing in this matter, just a leader a small central european country. he has no authority. charles michel, the president of the european council, came out and said the same thing. he said that orbán has no authority. the legal department of the eu stated that orbán violates eu policies, eu rules and eu legislation. therefore, he has no authority to negotiate on

behalf of anyone. and as charles michel also said, nothing can be decided about ukraine without ukraine. therefore, orbán's plan is irrelevant. it will become relevant only in that in case trump is elected, who will accept it and try to impose it on ukraine. but i do not think that the european allies of the us will agree to this. and how is this difference in views between, say, donald trump's washington on the one hand, and brussels, paris and rome, for example, and then london on the other. which side will be drawn. i can't predict right now, but i personally think orbén's plan means nothing. if trump does not support him, and orbán simply makes it clear that he is not a friend of the transatlantic family. yes, i'm with you i agree, but on the other hand, everyone is aware that orban does not play, orban as orban, he does not play any important role, so here i completely agree with you, but he is an emissary.

he brought what is in moscow and possibly in beijing, i don’t even fully understand, yes, because the so-called istanbul agreements or negotiations, not more precisely, they were based on the fact that russia withdraws its troops from our newly occupied ukrainian territories, yes, and the issue of crimea is pushed aside somewhere, well, and accordingly, the complete disarmament of ukraine, but putin now returns to the so-called istanbul negotiations, but completely changes them, actually changes them. and leads them to an absolutely absurd kind of pretense, which is that they are going to annex those territories that they have not even captured, that is , putin's current talks about a new istanbul, so they are completely irrelevant to what was said then and so on, we understand that putin is playing his game and the current situation for him is just a new platform on which he wants to land, after possible

donald trump would become president. that is, i see exactly this unfolding of the current situation. i completely agree with you. if we recall march 2022 and the istanbul statement, the main representative from ukraine at the negotiations said that he was ready to accept a compromise on the spot, but his russian colleague had to return to moscow to get approval, which he never received. so now putin, as usual, is lying and pretending that russia was ready to accept the previous wording. now like you just now they said, mr. borkovsky, putin is not even talking about the original istanbul formulation, but about his method of action. in an interview with tucker carson, putin said something incredibly outrageous, especially for an american with polish roots like me. he said that poland attacked russia or the soviet union in september 1939, that is , completely twisting history again, as in

the case of katyn, so he... is doing it again, putin is doing it like ukraine.