their victims, this is a stereotype, and they are trying to break this stereotype. now the question arises, why. we understand that every murder has its own purpose, and that you cannot compare, say, a kazakh journalist and political activist with a ukrainian political activist and publicist, that these are actually different civilizational spaces. but people who achieve. different goals have this common denominator, this destabilization of the situation, of course, in the case of iryna farion, it is also very important that she was perceived as a person who was a bearer of radical views of a humanitarian nature, she never hid them, participated in the activities of radical political organizations, and therefore there can be no indifferent reaction to her premature death. and those who

knew her, and you, who did not know her, who existed with her in different civilized worlds, i do not know, you know, say, andria zoryna ferye, well , if not directly, then in absentia, in absentia, that is, well, no, not in absentia, i mean, you know we talked, once had conversations, personally no, on the internet yes, well, i never, we have a huge number of mutual acquaintances, that is, dozens of people, if there is a mass. but i never spoke a single word to her in my life, so you understand, we could appear on the air of the same television channels in turn, comment on something, but i saw her like this live once in my life on the maidan in 2013- in 2014, i was just passing by, since we were not acquainted, we did not say hello, and that's how i remembered that she was standing there on the maidan with other representatives of the all-ukrainian association of freedom, and these people are just personal knew, and was not with her. so, you can live

your whole life next to a person who has such a real, i would say, public resonance and not even be familiar with him, and work in this very same plane. this once again says that we live in different civilizational worlds, that bearers of different political views in ukraine, despite the fact that it is not a very big country, and we are constantly in kyiv and lviv, we may not cross paths with each other. because we... don't have any need for dialing, it's so parallel worlds, let's say world the world in which i live and the world in which iryna farion lives are parallel worlds, but they collide with each other at some moments, as you understand, because in any case it is the world of ukraine. and it has always been very important to me that we are all united in this world precisely by the desire for ukraine to exist. here , let's say, i don't share there. i think

a huge number of views of iryna farion, as well as a huge number of views of representatives of the all-ukrainian freedom association, and when i was asked, why did you stand with by these people on the maidan in 2013-2014, when you yourself say that most of what they express is very far from you, i said because we are united by a simple thing, absolutely special in the conditions in which ukraine exists at all , this is our common desire for the ukrainian state to be... so if there is a ukrainian state, we can fight in this ukrainian state for our very option for the development of this state to win, of course i would like my option to win, but not an option of iryna farion, let's say, but iryna firion wants to win her view of ukrainian statehood won, not mine, but all this struggle can be political only if there is a ukrainian state at all, and if there is no ukrainian state, how about that... and the president of the russian

federation, vladimir putin, and his compatriots, and a large number of our compatriots who do not understand at all why this state is needed, then we have no chance. so, our first task is to preserve ukrainian statehood in conditions where a huge number of people, millions of people, tens of millions of people, believe that it should not exist. and i always reminded when we discussed these issues. for example, government coalitions were built in the republic of latvia for a long time, but when the independence of latvia was proclaimed, it turned out that the russian-speaking population of this country, for the most part, is a russian-ethnic population, but there are many representatives of other nationalities, there are ukrainians, belarusians who came to latvia in the period after its occupation by soviet troops, are also part of this community, they voted, as a rule, for one such large russian party.

a conditional russian party, the task of which was to preserve the special relations between latvia and russia, not to let latvia out of the latvian and russian arms, and then, in order to prevent such a party from coming to power , to give it the opportunity to promote russian peace in latvia, to provide she has the opportunity to continue to leave the semi-colonial state in which latvia was during all the times of the soviet and russian imperial occupation, all latvian parties from liberals to national radicals, they united in a joint coalition, i remembered this from the beginning in the 1990s... he visited his friends who were representatives of liberal political currents in latvia, and they sat at the government meeting with the ministers together with the tevzemon briviboy, fatherland and freedom party, it was called the all-ukrainian association

of freedom , and it was such a radical national party, i would even say a party of an ethnic project, and they did not hide it, but what did they have in common with these liberals? they wanted latvian statehood, and of course there was a dilemma, either you unite with what they called a national block, or you lose the opportunity to build a civilized statehood, which means you have to find compromises among yourselves, because latvia is one for all, and ukraine, we have it for one for all, in conditions where there is an option that the ukrainian state should become simply by the number of regions annexed to russia. and this is what usually unites us with iryna farion, because she always wanted the ukrainian state to be, her views on this ukrainian state were sufficiently radical, and she did not leave any such doubts for herself in because her views must be expressed in

the strongest possible form, perhaps offensive to many of those about whom she spoke, but one way or another, these are the real views of a person who believed that the ukrainian state could... continue to exist on the political world map, no matter what threats to its future arise in the next stormy, difficult years for ukraine in the 20s and 30s of the 21st century, years of trials, crises, deaths and tragedies, this is the era in which we began to live, in which we're going to be living in a very dark time for a very long time, so in that sense i think we are this is how we should consider this murder, and if we do analyze it, we come to what is really. the only beneficiary of the farion murder is russia, right? we are actually observing, we just talked about two murders that are similar to a certain extent, but also not similar, so similar in certain approaches, but in addition to this, we are also seeing

other acts of destabilization on the part of russia, we are seeing now, and by the way, it is the security service of ukraine that proved how russia actually employs our citizens. for example, to set fire to the cars of the armed forces of ukraine, that is, ours defenders, this is how we see how effectively they work in social networks, destabilizing, throwing in a huge amount of information, we see how much the number of fakes has multiplied, and moreover, we observe how our citizens are already beginning to involve the russians in acts of direct action, criminal acts, that is, can we in... conditionally speaking, combine all this into one certain offensive, a hybrid offensive, perhaps by russia, actually within the framework of destabilizing the situation in ukraine, and, and another question, whether

should we expect any further acts of terror from the russian federation in the near future? well, first of all... we talk a lot about the fact that there is a war on the front line, everything else is the rear. and the main thing is to win the war on the front line. this is absolutely correct. because if you don't win the war on the front line, you can lose the country, because enemy troops can simply occupy its territory. but there is another important point in the development of the situation, this is the rear, which has rotted. the army can fight valiantly on the front line, but if it fails to contain the situation in itself country, economic. socially, demographically , in principle, all the efforts of the armed forces become completely useless, and the people who serve in these armed forces return to the desert of civilization, in which they will not know where they are at all, because the state that they protect, can simply disappear before their

eyes, and that's why when we speak, we hear all these famous phrases that the main thing is security, precisely from armed victory as such, everything else is on the third plane, we... it can be the complete opposite the process that it is possible to hold the front line and not hold statehood, behind the armed forces of ukraine a complete desolation can begin and... this is what the russians are working on, and by the way, none, as you understand, these are not my assumptions, this was generally the case in history, i want to recall the first world war, the capitulation of germany. when germany surrendered, there was not a single foreign soldier on its territory. it is not even the way it is now in the territory of ukraine, 20% of which is occupied by a foreign army, and german soldiers were protecting the interests of the german state on the territory of other countries. that is, they did not let the enemy into germany itself, and that during their

military work, the german state rotted from the inside and surrendered to the victors on whose territory the german army was. the same thing happened with russia. the russian empire did not lose the first world war, moreover, it was in the camp of the winners. she just needed to maintain some internal stability. to get the results of this victory literally in a few months, but the russian state has rotted from the inside, in as a result of the february revolution of 1917, and especially, this is important to remember, the october coup of 1917, the organizers of which wanted to withdraw russia from the war, the russian federation, the soviet russian federation, was not in the camp of the winners, but... actually in the camp defeated, from those with whom it waged war all these years, and stuck in

this defeat, in fact for life, already for 100 years, because even the victory in the second world war did not make the soviet union a truly victorious state, it underwent demographic, social disasters, remained a dictatorship, it is difficult to call it a victory, if we compare it with today's russia, today's germany, then the question will arise, who won in the second world war, after all, what kind of country is that, well, and i would like to remind you... , that the warring countries worked carefully to degrade the enemy. this is not a joke. german special services made special efforts to destabilize russia, knowing its weak points. the intelligence services of the entente countries made efforts to destabilize germany, knowing it weak points thus, what russia is doing from the point of view of ukraine is the right approach, absolutely logical. if you... fail to make a real effort on the front line to conquer the territory by force, you need to so

to speak this state, you know, just internally scrape, scrape life with it, and you resort to various means absolutely logical, correct means, if you want to destroy an enemy you don't want to see on the land you hope to then take under your protectorate, the first is proof population to humane. disasters, the destruction of electricity, you and i are still talking now, when a large part of our territory has no electricity and i have no electricity, and we do not know how this situation will develop in the coming months and years, we do not know when, in principle, we not only do we not know in which decade the war will end, we do not know when ukraine will be able to restore its energy infrastructure, which means its economy, a normal standard of living and so on, all this is in the past and it is not known when it will be in the future, and this is all russian work to make it clear to... the population in general that there is nothing for him to catch in this territory, he must flee, or he must look for such an authority that

capitulates to the russian federation, and russia will already provide everything, if not normal life in this territory is normal life in magadan. well, that's one way, the other way is destabilizing intimidation, killing, creating certain lines among the population when you destroy. one or another well-known high-profile person, here is the lying calculation when they killed irina fariona, well, we understand why, it was believed that ukrainians would quarrel among themselves precisely on this line, some will say: oh, she was a real eagle of the ukrainian language, and others will say, oh, she tarnished the russian language, and this once again says that the russians, who organized... plans of a special operation to destabilize ukraine, they know us very poorly, because once again understand that we

are united, regardless of political views, from liberal to ultra-radal and ultra-conservative, the idea of ​​statehood, ukrainian, because we understand that this is our common boat, they just don't understand that no one will quarrel over the figure of iryna farion, everyone will be gripped by horror. and the uproar over her death, over her so sneaky murder, that's all, but i really think this one is destabilizing. the company will continue in the future, by and large, these are also absolutely logical things, but we have always asked why in the winter of 2023, 22-23, the energy infrastructure was not destroyed as much as it is now, but because the russians still hoped to break through to the territory where they are currently destroying

infrastructure, they believed that they would very quickly cover these territories with their power and... they did not want to spend extra rubles to restore their own energy infrastructure, now they have no idea whether they will be able to control these territories at all, and thus in they have no interest in preserving the infrastructure in this territory, that's all, before they did not need political assassinations, because they believed that they would solve the situation anyway, they would simply go in and kill according to the lists that had already been developed in federal security service of the russian federation. now they understand that they will not go anywhere, and therefore it is necessary to destroy people artificially, so to speak. here, by the way, someone always asked vladimir putin, what is denazification? this is it. the murder of ira napoleon is one of the moments of the denazification of ukraine, the physical destruction of people who express alternative

views to krem's. is everything clear? i absolutely agree with you, because... it is not necessary for russia to exist, to exist ukrainian national values, ukrainian politicians, ukrainian political forces, completely different, by the way, including with different views, but who profess one single goal, the preservation and prosperity of the ukrainian state, on behalf of the espresso tv channel, we once again express our condolences to the relatives and friends of ms. , that we will remember her achievements, her contribution to the creation of ukrainian cultural, informational and educational spaces. i would like to talk to you, mr. vitaly, about one more topic, the topic of security, the topic

of possible negotiations, and by the way, one on one such, one of such interesting statements. mr. zelenskyi, actually this week, he said that the war can be ended by the end of 2024, well, in particular, it was in one of his many interviews, he talked about the f-16, and about ending the war, and about possible negotiations, but actually this phrase of his is very interesting, interesting and resonant, this is his speech about the fact that by... this year it is possible, conditionally speaking, in some way to end the war, and here the question arises, more precisely, if specify, then the hot stage of the war, no to end the war, and to end the hot stage of the war, and of course it all fits into the scenario that we are very often

told about now, both foreign experts and our experts, what is being actively discussed now, these are possible negotiations. possible initiatives of trump, orban. mr. vitaliy, what do you think mr. zelensky invests in understanding that, in understanding the end of the hot stage of the war by the end of 2024, and whether it is generally real, or whether these are real words, or these are empty words that will not have under some real actions and real planes it seems to me that the main function of the president is to give people some hope, because we see that ukrainian society lives in the illusion of a quick end to the war all the time. and the authorities have supported this illusion practically since february 2022. moreover, without explaining specifically how it is possible to achieve not only a quick end to the war,

but also an end to the war in general. the president himself speaks clearly, he also said it while commenting. suggestions by the former president of the united states, donald trump, that he i am sure that ukraine cannot cede its territories, because this will not be the end of the war for it, but will simply be a prelude to its new recovery as soon as possible, this is the first, but i would say that even this is not the most important thing in the president's views on the end of the war . it seems to me that we are wrong all the time. what vladimir putin wants, and this is an important thing. we discuss the situation among ourselves all the time, and it's childish talk, the situation as if we were deciding when to end the war. so putin sets us such a goal, i would say conditions, that we have to recognize crimea, donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions,

parts of the russian federation, must recognize neutral status, carry out this demilitarization, denazification there, and if we do this, the war will end, and since we are proud people, we do not want to do this, then the war continues and is created such an illusion that we have some option to end the war, by the way, which we broadcast to the west in this way, that in fact, if we were to end, we would want an unjust end to the war, then the war would end, and we want a just end to the war, and donald trump can tell us: listen, what is fair or unfair, you will soon not have any, you will not have a country, stop bothering your head with justice and injustice, already accept these conditions that are put forward to you. and end the war, we'll figure it out later, and trump's advisers say that if you end the war on these terms, we will arm you to the teeth so that they will be afraid to attack you. these are all wonderful conversations, only these are

conversations between us, in our camp, so to speak. because and donald trump, regardless for all the infantilism of his political position, also in our camp, not in the russian one. and he may have such an illusion that if he makes concessions, then war, a hot stage, a cold stage, any stage he can. to finish, and i keep reminding, and this is an important thing, what putin really wants, just today, just a few hours before my broadcast, this broadcast of ours with you, my colleague, a well-known western journalist, one of the grandees, called me of world journalism, and she tells me: i read yours the text what putin wants, i agree with you 100%, she is the author of many books about... but it is very strange that nobody in the west understands this, and it is impossible to explain it, and in this text i clearly say: putin wants restoration of the russian empire, he needs the entire

territory of ukraine, there is some crimea, donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, he is not interested at all, these are generally random territories, the first one just managed to capture, but he could capture not kherson and zaporizhia, but conditionally speaking , kharkivska and mykolaivska, if the front would advance otherwise and then he would insist on them, but... they would be ukraine for him, that is , these territorial claims are a complete delusion, he needs him to win in ukraine, to annex the territory of ukraine or to of the russian state, or to the russian sphere of influence, because it opens a real path for him to restore the russian empire, and for russia to become one of the most important players in the modern world. that he was with trump and sidzenpin on an equal footing, even without them economic opportunities that china and the united states have, and by the way, i want

to remind you again that this is not the first time in the history of russia, russia has always been a poor country, that it was rich in the 19th century, that's when the russian cossacks went to paris, that it was a rich state, well, it had some natural resources, but in general it was poor, scientifically undeveloped, russian... people spoke french, they did not know their native language, it was a secondary raw material state, it just traded in wood, not oil, but it was the hegemon of europe, thanks to force, only force , and because it was not afraid to use this force, because in it the price of human life was zero, at a time when europeans were already thinking about this price, russians had absolutely no need to think about it, and that is why the french who came there to the russian lands in 1812 were shocked by this, even napoleon, who never counted soldiers, was shocked by how russians treat their own people, not strangers, later it became

a soviet tradition, here you go and that's all, so this is absolutely repeating logical problems again, in such a situation, is it possible to achieve some kind of peace with putin, some kind of negotiations, i don’t see such possibilities, because i imagine that if donald trump and volodymyr zelensky during this... today’s conversation discussed some directions, maybe achievements peace, then without putin, this peace cannot be achieved anyway, if they really think there, relatively speaking, in the headquarters of some trump, that they can promise putin something and he will end the war, then i would advise them to start with hamas, well practice on cats, let them promise something like that to hamas, it means less money to... but to spend, it is a small territory, the gas sector, so that the hamasites agree not to terrorize israel, to recognize israel's right to exist,

to agree that a palestinian state will be... not within the borders of all of mandated palestine in 1948, within the borders of at least the gas sector and the west bank of the jordan river, let them say so, i want to know how much money donald trump can pay them to get them to agree to give up their of this real main task, destruction of the jewish state, and how when he is convinced that these tricks somehow do not work, maybe he will then start training on us? simply, i repeat again, simply because the gas sector needs less money. and by the way, when the oslo accords were signed, and when the israeli troops, the israeli troops left the gas sector, and there was not a single israeli soldier left, everyone said then, i remember, i read it in the israeli press, that now the residents gas sectors can

build associations on this territory. emirates, money to them give a huge amount, ports, beaches, and the jewish settlers left there huge flower plantations, greenhouses, develop the economy as you want, well, they spent all this money on infrastructure, on the purchase of missiles, on the construction of workshops, construction on the construction of missiles, on all this , because their goal is not to create an arab union. not to sunbathe on the beach, not to increase tourists, their goal is to destroy israel, such a great national task, and this task for them is more than money, vladimir putin also has a much more ambitious goal than hamasites, the restoration of their empire, because he is sure, and the most terrible thing is that along with this, with him, the vast majority of his compatriots are sure that without the territory from uzhgorod to ashgabat, russia will be a third-rate state, and this is not fair.

she agreed to the end of the cold war, she agreed to the fact that there would be no communism, she started partnership relations with the west and whose retribution the west retaliated by tearing up its territory, cutting it alive, inventing some ukraine, belarus, kazakhstan, no, more this trick with the russians will not pass, they will not allow themselves to be bullied, you want a nuclear war, mr. trump, you will get a nuclear bomb on your old head, that's all, their whole logic. this is the logic of such absolute inveterate, ferocious chauvinism, and this logic will be met not only by ukrainians, who will live in baseless illusions of the end of the war for many, many years, but also by americans who, after the election of trump , may call upon themselves the third world war in all its beauty, because i'm sure that when donald trump offers putin favorable na his view is conditional, and putin will simply send him to the ban, trump does not

grant him that. because he considers himself the first person in the world, and if he says: well, if putin doesn't want it, let him take it to ukraine, he understands the consequences, consequences not for europe, consequences for the asia-pacific region, because in this way he china will wake up. xidzenpin will decide that if trump behaves this way with putin, then he will fear him even more. and there is another moment, i would say, a moment in a circle, andrei, if in... quarrel with russia, then you reconcile with russia, in some way, then you open up opportunities for cooperation with china, because you may have such an illusion, but in fact, if this peace is shameful for the united states, you are only fueling chinese ambitions, if , on the contrary, you continue the confrontation with russia,

you only increase... china's desire to help russia in this confrontation, because china knows for sure that if russia loses, then in this way it will be their joint loss, and if it wins, it will their common win, and this is such an absolutely, i would say, enchanted situation, but what do we all think about china, not only donald trump, ukrainians also think that of course they have a bad situation in the economy, and of course they will never leave. to some desperate measures, because they will have a difficult situation and they can be forced to stop cooperating with russia and helping it, this is also an illusion, well tell me sometime, a member of the central committee of the communist party of china, economics was more important than ideology, when deng xiaoping, the actual founder of modern china said, what is the need for this black gut, which doesn't matter what color it is, let it just

catch... mice, what do you mean by him?