in ukraine, there was loud talk again about the banning of religious organizations connected to moscow, well, in fact, there was talk again about the banning of the uocp. who is against? the people's deputies who today blocked the rostrum of the verkhovna rada. demanded a vote for the relevant bill, stated that the leadership of the servant of the people presidential faction opposes such a step. rfe/rl spoke to mps who do not support this bill, and they said that everything is not so clear, what does it mean? let's sort it out, my name is vlasta lazur, this is svoboda live. so, today the people's deputies blocked the rostrum of the verkhovna rada and demanded the adoption of the bill in the second reading, which could potentially lead to before the ban of the uoc mp.

see how it was. deputies came to the tribune with posters containing such eloquent slogans. it's time to stop the moscow spy network, or the moscow church is killing. the bill was not put to a vote, and the deputies themselves canceled the meeting by the end of the week. and the deputies who actually protested said that until they consider this draft law, they will do nothing else will not be considered. i will remind you that the draft law is called better known by its name. on the prohibition of religious organizations connected with russia, the verkhovna rada adopted in the first reading back in october of last year. in fact, one and a half years have passed. during this time, the deputies did not manage to consider the document in the second reading and ultimately adopt it. why so? well, for example, the head of the profile committee on humanitarian information policy, nikita poturaev, he, i remind you, is a representative of the servant of the people. now in the parliament he said that the leadership of the servant of the people presidential faction does not support it. putting this

bill to the vote, well, it turns out that some of the servants support it, and some , led by the leadership of the faction, do not. radio svoboda asked the head of the servant of the people faction in the parliament , david arahamia, for a comment today, he did not answer our question, what does this all mean, why is part of the presidential faction against the ban on religious organizations connected to moscow, does this mean that the president also against? i would like to remind here that volodymyr zelenskyi at the end of the 22nd year, he put into effect... the decision of the nsdc regarding the ban on the activities of religious organizations in ukraine that are connected to the centers of influence in russia, after which this bill appeared, which the deputies demanded to be adopted today, but it looks like this that something went wrong at some stage. mykyta poturaev, people's deputy of ukraine, servant of the people and head of the committee on humanitarian information policy, joins our broadcast. good evening, good evening, you said that the leadership of the servant of the people faction is against, you said today what... you do not understand what

this position of the management consists of, who exactly do you mean by the management, are there any specific names? well, of course there is, because there are two people from our faction in the conciliation council, they are david rahamya and andriy mytovylovych, well, only one of them has voting rights, of course, who is present there, yes, because one person from one faction votes or groups, and at the morning meeting of the conciliation board, unfortunately,... well, i don't know who was present there, david or andrii, initially voted against the fact that this the law was put on the agenda, uh, and that is why the final decision was made to hold this action, a protest action near the rostrum of the verkhovna rada, and it was an inter-factional, inter-group protest action, uh, well, yes, of course, there is nothing here to hide, we were ready for it, that is, we discussed such a protest action. before

that, well, you were preparing, i see, you, you banners, there were slogans prepared, yes, well, the banners, that’s how i understand them, were already prepared right when it started, because at first they weren’t there, no, we were preparing, well in principle, and we said that we will support the president's laws on defense capability, which we actually did today from the morning, we voted for the continuation of martial law and mobilization, well after that... so a break was announced at the request of the factions that are part of well, in this group, unfortunately, unfortunately, not ours, although again, the majority of the people's servants - 150 people , the people's servants, this is the majority of the factions, supports the law, 130 people, 130 people signed signature letters, 150 are ready to vote, and today you can it would be good to vote him out, that's it what's the matter, but the leadership, but the leadership, the leadership of the faction against it. it is no

secret that the president has political influence on the faction, he is actually the head of the political force, the servant of the people, well, although not formally, but nevertheless, it is his party, and i am against the leadership of the faction. does this mean that the president is also against it, and that is why the leaders of the faction do not support this bill? no, does not mean they act their discretion? davitarah so powerful that they can act on their own? yes, they exercise their discretion because they are are responsible for voting on laws, for collecting votes, which led to the fact that today we said that if the votes of the ulama... in opzz are more important to you than the votes of the people who are part of the core of the servant of the people faction, then please continue to work with with opzzh fragments, create some kind of coalition or something else. was there any recommendation, advice, request

directly or indirectly from the president to support or not support the law. you, you didn't let me explain a little bit, that means, repeatedly, to me, personally, in the presence. witnesses, the president of ukraine said that this law must be accepted and accepted as soon as possible, that is, it was more than once, the last time he told you this, the last time he told you this, i can't tell you the exact date, but it was this year, we had another meeting there, by the way, we discussed the well-known law on the promotion of the english language, and there at the end of the meeting we raised this issue and he clearly said, clearly said, i think... that this law should be voted on as soon as possible, because the foreign policy situation is difficult, it is true, it is true, we know all efforts moscow's agents of influence in the united states, in particular, for the big ones, that's why he

said that yes, it is necessary to go to the hall and vote with the law, so you can, i can clarify, again, the position of the president, as far as i know, is not changed and did not change. me, but i know, but i know that there are people who went to the office, these are people not from the office, and tried to misinform the president, to bully him that this law, as it were, is beneficial to the political faction euro-solidarity, that this law in general of european solidarity, well, that is, they just lied, lied to the face, like so they say, yes, but as far as i know, volodymyrovych, well, i even had a chance, mr. peturaev, he, he is a person, he is a person who, after all, is very good at distinguishing lies from the truth, and as far as i know, this does not affect him in any way affected his position. even i, today i spoke with those deputies who do not want to support this

draft law, they even suggested that maybe you work for european solidarity, and today everyone rallied together on the rostrum of the verkhovna rada, well, this is a well-known old lie, right? so it really is were used to try, well, let's say, to break, well, into our faction, to break these 150 people who are ready to vote for this law, but everything is very simple there, there is a princely law, which was submitted before the law from the cabinet, from the government, and it is enough to take the princely law, compare it with the law that came out of the committee, to... understand that it is all just slander, stupid and stupid lies. the good thing here is that the opponents demonstrate simply, you know, well, it's like in the old joke, at the dumbass competition, they would take second place, because they are

dumbass and who do you call stupid, your colleagues in the faction? i am naming moscow posipaks who work against this law, they are not only in the faction. they are all around in the media, there in telegram, all kinds of pro-russian rubbish and so on, you mentioned a lot, but fortunately you are stupid. mr. peturev, you also mentioned the international component of this story, i also spoke with them today, by the way, this is also a very revealing story, because all the opponents of this, people who are against voting for this draft law, they refused to come on the air and comment on it publicly, but not publicly, they said that in the office of... the president, in particular, they also decided to put this story on hold for the time being, because there were clear signals from the united states, where you are right, lobbyists are actively working in pcmp, the most famous among them is the lawyer robert amsterdam, and this work is bearing fruit, for example, here i want to recall that in april

there was a statement from james devens, who could be the vice president of the united states, if donald trump will win the election, and he was just explaining his reluctance to help and support ukraine. that the church is banned in ukraine, listen to this fragment, we will continue now. what about attacks on traditional christianity? communities in ukraine. the ukrainian parliament is considering the possibility of passing a law that will deprive a huge number of christian churches and christian communities in ukraine of their property. the us is the world's largest christian nation, but what are the results of our policies? i believe, standing here, that this war will eventually lead to displacement of a huge number of christians from ukraine, and it will be our shame. sir peturayu, perhaps the ukrainian side, and you, the person who was involved in the development of this bill, did not clearly explain

to our partners that the ban on religious organizations connected to moscow is not a matter of freedom of religion, but a matter of security for ukraine , and that's why right now there in the west, such sentiments prevail in america, and the ukrainian authorities could well have received a signal from the united states, not to pass this bill now, what are you talking about do you think so? i don't want to interfere in the american pre-existing. process, i just want to remind you that, no, this is interference, i do not want to interfere in the american election process, i just want to remind you that mr. vance also said that president zelensky bought two yachts with american money, i will say that very politically correct, i i think that mr. vance, who wrote a great book that was made into a great movie, i 've read that book, by the way, it's a very interesting book, i recommend it to everyone, but that doesn't mean that... that he's using reliable sources of information, what up

to someone who could send some signals there, so i want to say that i personally, as the head of the ukrainian delegation to the osce, the parliamentary assembly, communicate with the american delegation, and now just two weeks ago, a little more in bucharest , i communicated with american colleagues, as from the house of representatives, as well as from the senate, both from ... and from the republican party, they have no problem with our war with ours, in particular on the information front, and the fight against the russian orthodox church is a war on the information front, so it a little exaggerated, i want to say that i want to say yes, no reservations from the united states not to vote for this bill absolutely absolutely, i did not receive. i want to say no, but again, i'm not talking about mr. vance right now, i want to believe that he's just

using, well, unverified sources of information, let's put it this way, correctly, what difference does it make if ukraine can't dispel this information in the united states states, listen, i want to say that the enemies of ukraine will lie about everything that is happening in ukraine without being tied to any one phenomenon. so, today make concessions regarding the russian orthodox church, tomorrow they will start lying about something else, make concessions about something else, tomorrow they will start lying about something else, there are simply enemies of ukraine, this must be understood, and there is nothing to explain to the enemies of ukraine, because they are enemies , they want our defeat, they want our destruction, that's what they want, and what arguments they will use, it doesn't matter at all, that's what we're talking about, but it can affect aid for ukraine. see if the enemies of ukraine help, if the enemies if ukraine wins, it will affect aid

to ukraine. here's what it means. and that's all. not rpt, again, these are simply enemies of ukraine. that's what i'm talking about. i have one more question, if i may, there is, there is, there is a service of freedom, ethnopolitics and freedom of conscience in ukraine, if i am correct. led by mr. yelenskyi, who, as i understand, advises the president on many things, within the framework of religion, freedom of religion and so on, and it may have been his initiative to somehow do something with the uocp, or what their position is, do they communicate with you, because according to my information, they still turned to you and asked to correct this law, because in the form in which it exists now, it will not be unrealistic to implement it, well, first of all, only in the form in which it exists... now it can actually be implemented, in no other form, and certainly not in the form in which it came to

the first reading, and the law was voted on at the first reading precisely on the condition that it will be corrected before the second reading and will become effective, because it was not effective, it was framework and blanket and absolutely weak, and we immediately said that we would govern it, which we did, and the law became more powerful and truly effective. although again, you know , it is not ideal, if society expects that after the adoption of this law in one day we will get rid of moscow priests, then no, we will act within the framework of the law, we will act within the framework. european legal practice, let's say this, it will take some time, but we will do everything as it should, as it should in a civilized democratic country, we introduced, we introduced last thursday, the last amendments to this law, which were proposed by the state service of newspaper policy and freedom of conscience, those that we could agree to, that did not break the architecture and logic of this law, they had

good proposals, that is why we agreed to them, and now the law with these four amendments the road is ready that's why there was this action today, because the law is ready, if you put it to a vote today, it would get at least 240 votes, do you have any idea now when it can be put to a vote? it will be august, i agreed management board. thank you very much, nikita peturaev, people's deputy, servant of the people and chairman of the committee on humanitarian information policy. we talked about the prospects for the adoption of a draft law that could potentially lead to the banning of religious organizations in ukraine linked to moscow. and to our broadcast, tell me. please, have the next speaker, oleksandr drabynko, metropolitan of peroyaslav and vyshnevsky of the orthodox church of ukraine join us, i congratulate you, glory to jesus christ, have a good, beautiful and peaceful and blessed day. oleksandr, you, i will remind our audience, you were a clergyman of the uocp until 2019, as far as i remember, until the end of the 18th until the unification council held in

sophia of kyiv, yes, i am one of those two bishops, which joined the orthodox church of ukraine from the moscow patriarchate, i received a ton of questions from you, what are your thoughts on this bill, which is currently being considered and cannot be finally considered in the verkhovna rada, do you think it is appropriate and necessary to vote for it in the form in which it exists, well, about the fact that it should have been adopted a long time ago, and it should have been developed properly so that we do not end up having to constantly make some corrections and someone has some... reasons , in order to make it impossible to adopt this draft law, or rather, not a draft law, already a law, i would have thought that i should have acted long ago, but, unfortunately, for reasons unknown to me, and perhaps some that are known, this law has not been passed to this day for voting in the last, and what are the reasons, and what reasons do you know, i

know the reasons, that he was really not imperfect about what was just said, but... for as many years as we have had a service of state policy and previously various others who worked in the development of his recommendations for the adoption of this law, it could be adopted in march and already issued in a normal text for normal implementation, but for me this is some kind of artificial delay of this process, well, more than one has already said about it times that it will be possible which... c connection, it is connected with the elections in the states, well, today it seems to me that mr. poroshenko said very nicely in the verkhovna rada that the first person who congratulated him on the gift of tomos to ukraine and its independence was exactly the same trump, whom everyone is afraid today, that is, there are many nuances here, which

may have some personal character, but none. case, i do not think that they have a character that contradicts our legislation and our, most importantly, the desire of our society, but what you call what you call a personal character, what you you mean, well, we know that there are spiritual children, bishops of onufria, who consider themselves to belong to the ukrainian orthodox church, after the cathedral in feofania on may 27 , eh... 22nd year, we all perfectly heard how they hung noodles already, that the ukrainian orthodox church, it is no longer part of the moscow patriarchate, it dissociated itself from the moscow patriarchate, but it should probably not dissociate itself, it should leave the structure of the moscow patriarchate, and then, in principle , this law would almost be unnecessary, since it was necessary to sit down at the changing table,

to agree with the orthodox church of ukraine on our joint coexistence, if not on unification, then... at least on coexistence and make a call to the bishopric and the council that was held, make an assessment of the activities of patriarch kirill, who blessed the killing of our people. actually, look, today i tried to listen to all sides, yes, when i was preparing for the broadcast and spoke with those deputies and advisers, employees of the president's office, who explained to me why it is not possible to vote for this draft law now, and i... had to do something like this the opinion is heard that they say that very serious negotiations are currently underway, the details of which are not disclosed, but there is such a proposal for the uoc -mp that they take all... all the necessary steps to finally sever ties with the russian orthodox church, announce it publicly , onufriy left the synod of the russian orthodox church, the uoc mp really condemned their priests, who have either

russian passports or russian connections there, to break their ties with these priests, and i was very surprised here, to go under the wing of constantinople, how a separate church, that is, under a wing of constantinople can be the ocu and it can be the uoc directly, i am a person. i'm not very well versed in all this church history, but does this scenario sound plausible to you? the scenario is not yet plausible, but nothing is impossible, and in principle , by restoring its canonical jurisdiction over the territory of the right wing of the ukrainian orthodox church, revoking the act of 1686, this is exactly what was done, the entire territory of ukraine and all religious organizations of the orthodox direction. er, were already in the predicament of this one patriarch bartholomew of the metropolitanate of constantinople of the patriarchate of constantinople, some of the bishops were invited by patriarch bartholomew to the council, to participate in the council in

sofia . but they, according to the later explanation that was given, did not... ceased to be in the moscow patriarchate, if canonically, they are, they are in that state before the cathedral, at the moment, if it was possible to say so, uh, in the 18th year, uh, and those letters that were written to them, they are relevant, how to solve this issue, it needs to be decided already, so that the leadership of the churches sit down at the change table and. .. made their own judgments and decisions on this matter. you also mentioned the support from the usa, here is nikita peturaev, there was a speaker in front of you, he says that in the united states

they perfectly understand the danger that the russian orthodox church can pose in ukraine, you probably also often communicate with your western colleagues there or american, is there really a narrative in the west that the rights of believers are being persecuted in ukraine, and that's why we... maybe kyiv is now hesitating to pass this bill so as not to lose support. the fact is that it was very well said that this image for ukraine was created by novinsky through amsterdam. strictly speaking, there are no problems as such, and in the past, probably two weeks ago, i gave a very voluminous interview for an american publication, which wanted exactly these questions and they sound, people have a simple vision of the process that is happening in our country, they understand why you can't... unite, why they belong to moscow, that is, there are a lot of our internal issues and problems that are used by vadym vladyslavovich, a deacon, for

in order to spoil the image of the orthodox church of ukraine and thereby slow down the already inevitable process of banning the activities of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine and the subsequent process of unification, joining the orthodox church of ukraine. of the society that still exists today is not in it, vadym vladyslavovich, this is novinsky, this is me explaining to our audience, this is orthodox, which one is from the department today, please, please, let’s have petro oleksiiovych, well, he is, i have a personal relationship with him, it’s clear, i have no doubt, you are very, you now it sounds beautiful in words, let's unite all believers and everyone will live cheerfully and happily, but in fact very often you have to hear that the ban. the pcp can lead to a split in society, because they have many parishioners and many priests, communities do you not see these risks? no, i don't see such risks, i've been talking about them for

five years, i'll say it again, we need concrete self-determination: either we join or leave the moscow patriarchate, or we remain in the moscow patriarchate as religious organizations, but with those rights and duties that will be prescribed at the legislative level. that is, the existence of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine as such in a certain form is possible and it will not go anywhere, just as it can be an exarchate some or something else, but accordingly their neighbors will say, no, no, this is not the ukrainian church that is ukrainian, but this is the russian church in ukraine, it was necessary to rename it according to the yelenskyi law back in the 19th year. thank you very much, oleksandr drabynko, metropolitan of prayaslavskyi and vishnevskyi orthodox church. ukraine, we talked about the prospects of banning religious organizations associated with moscow in ukraine. thank you very much. well, next we will talk about...

mobilization, because it is ongoing, for those who updated their military registration data in time in reserve plus application, now there is a special mark about it, today deputy minister of defense kateryna chornogorenko reported about such an innovation in the comments of liganet, this is how such a mark looks now, a green tick, you can see, and it is indicated that the data is updated, in the ministry of defense said that this is supposed to be a guarantee of peace, and the citizen can be calmer, that he updated the data and tsk exactly on time, and the police can also immediately see this... mark, well, a week ago, on july 16 , 60 days passed that were allocated by the law on mobilization to update military credentials, fines are now provided for those who have not done so, and this is already a sign of unrest, and at the end of may, people's deputies actually proposed to extend the deadline for updating data, the ministry of defense initially supported such an idea, well and then reconsidered how further the mobilization can continue under these conditions,

and in principle, it is probably time... to sum up how these 60 days, which were set aside for updating the data, ended, dmytro lazutkin, spokesman, joins our broadcast from the ministry of defense of ukraine, dmytro, i 'm glad to see you again, congratulations, if i remember correctly, these were the latest data from the ministry of defense that more than 4 million conscripts updated their data, including 2.7 million through the plus reserve. is this correct data or maybe there are any updates? currently, more than 3 million ukrainian conscripts and reservists have updated their data through the reserve plus application, and in general, as of july 17, more than 4 million 600 thousand ukrainians have updated their data and, accordingly, a little bit there is an increase compared to the data you have, and we can talk about the fact that

this... beijing took place and, well, let's say this, the logic of the processes, the logic of this law, which provided for the updating of military registration data and the updating of this database nationwide, it happened, including thanks to the application, 4.6, 4.6 million, let's stop at this number, about 1 million of them are active military personnel, well plus or minus, i just want to understand whether do you consider these... numbers a success or do you consider them an upgrade data was successful? we are aware that if, for example, there was no reserve plus application, then these data would have been updated simply through tsk isp, without the involvement of tsnap, somewhere within 9-10 months, that is , it would be impossible to squeeze the process into the framework of 60 days, so obviously we can talk about the fact that now, now the state has an understanding of how many people. what are

these people's new contact details, phone number, someone changed their place of residence and so on, that is, we understand that migration within the country is quite large, that not all people who they move immediately go to the tcc and sp and, so to speak, register in a new place, i.e. now but now, now now there is a base with which you can work and you can plan mobilization processes accordingly, a very conditional base, a very conditional base and a very conditional understanding has... the state, because as of the winter of the 24th year, there were more than 11 million citizens in ukraine who were potentially subject to mobilization, well , at least they were men aged 25-60 who had individual tax numbers, if we take these data into account , then their military records data was updated by less than half of the people, well , let's compare with what we had until now and let's compare the bad and the worst, eh... but still, in order for

the mobilization processes to take place correctly, one way or another it was necessary to carry out this is an update of the data, it is clear that someone did not want to do it, more than half, more than half, right, about all remained , unfortunately, please tell me why the ministry of defense did not support the idea of ​​\u200b\ u200bcontinuing the update of the data, 60 days is it was obviously not enough, why are you talking about the fact that obviously you could update yours in the reserve plus application. 40% of ukrainian citizens, this is the latest data i found, did not have a smartphone at all. then you could go to snap or to tcc and sp, of course there were queues, and again, it was more difficult to do and it took more time, but there was such an opportunity and within 60-60 days you could plan everything - it's

time. in order to do that, i think now...