in kyiv, beijing's position on the taiwan issue. a big military secret, commander-in-chief oleksandr syrskyi has a realistic plan to return crimea under ukrainian control. how can the internationally recognized borders of 1991 be restored. not a vacation, but a break. speaker ruslan stepanchuk claims that deputies... will use the one-month break in parliamentary sessions to finalize the law on banning the russian church, who is delaying the process and why? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health during the next two hours we will talk about ukraine, the world and what is happening in... actually

around ukraine, what is happening in ukraine, today our guests in the first hour of our program will be volodymyr tsibulko and dmytro razumkov, in the second part of our the programs will be political experts, volodymyr fisenko and viktor boberenko. however, before starting our big conversation, i would like us to watch a video of how the defense forces of ukraine magically destroyed. russian buk m1 anti-aircraft missile complex, fighters of the 15th separate brigade of the black forest artillery reconnaissance adjusted fire on it with hymars, as a result of the impact, the enemy equipment detonated together with the crew of the attackers. let's see.

glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we are conducting a survey throughout the broadcast. today we ask you about whether you consider it realistic to liberate crimea by military means. so, yes, no, if you watch us on youtube, then please vote or leave your comments below this video, and if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers, if you think the liberation of crimea by military means is realistic, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we are like we have the results of this vote, i want to introduce today 's first guest, this is... tsibulko,

political analyst, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our conversation. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. well, first of all, obviously, let's start our conversation with the brazen shooting of iryna farion in lviv. it has been 5 days since then. so far , there are more questions than answers. there is no quick answer to who shot at... a known ukrainian nationalist and most importantly, what was the reason for this shooting, the head of the main intelligence department of ukraine kyrylo budanov believes that the ukrainian linguist was killed by the enemy of our state with the aim of dividing the nation, quoting general budanov. the cold-blooded murder of a famous linguist is a challenge for the entire ukrainian society, the crime against the fundamental rights and freedoms of ukrainians is a tragedy, once again.

demonstrated, the enemy seeks to use any tools to divide our nation. so, mr. volodymyr, there is a challenge for the entire ukrainian society, and we still have no answers regarding the crime itself, regarding the customers, and regarding the perpetrators. how do you assess this tragic fact and who can be behind the murder of irina farion, and who can take advantage of it? well, in general. if we take the history of uncovering the murders of ukrainian politicians, then, for example, there are almost none of them solved murders. the story of chornovol's murder has not been revealed. the story of hetman's murder has not been revealed. the story of the murder of anatoly yermak, a colonel brother of hryhoriy melchenko. grigory melchenko.

the anti-corruption officer, who, by the way, was engaged in the sale of ukrainian arsenals, is also not disclosed, i want. to remind that there was a history of political murders in the era of independence, it probably began with the murder of journalist vadym boyk, who was simply doused with gasoline in his apartment, that is, we can say that where there is politics, there is very low disclosure murders, now if we talk about, well... conflict lines that can be exploited by the enemy, then on the surface there is a fairly well-known conflict of iryna farion with the azov people, whom she did not like, that the azov people do not always speak the refined literary ukrainian language, and sometimes even

use profanity, because it helps in battles better than literary language, it turns out. that is, well, if you evaluate the conflicts that iryna farion created around her, then they definitely do not lead to murder, well, well, well, these are not the conflicts for which one should to kill a person, even more so, to shoot a woman in the temple with a gun, whether and whether it was from a gun, that is, well, so far the investigation is dealing with this, but it seems to me that now... all the efforts of the law enforcement officers are more focused on catching some individual a man who did not complete registration in the tsc or in the reserve plus than to solve such a murder, i.e., in my opinion, the resources

of law enforcement officers are not enough to solve serious crimes today, so this is all her criminalization, which, which came... with the war, with the beginning of it seizure of donbas and crimea. criminalization goes hand in hand with russian aggression. and criminalization is, by the way, a tool of russian aggression. it is designed to intimidate, er, ukrainians. literally on the fresh tracks in rivne, they did find, er, one criminal type who set fire to a military car. for the money that was supposed to be sent to him from russia, that is, we can say that organized crime, criminality, has always been an element of russian aggression, and instead of fighting crime, our

law enforcement officers for some reason fight ordinary law-abiding citizens who do not always manage to register on time in the reserve plus or system. central committee, mr. volodymyr, but this is a murder, an audacious murder in the center of lviv, obviously, this is obviously not the last such murder, and in general, this terrorist act, because it is a terrorist act that was organized, and obviously, obviously, it aims to split ukrainian society , to quarrel different political forces among themselves, to cast a shadow on the same azov that... there may be some way involved, to create a certain atmosphere in society, which will lead to one way or another to some internal conflicts, that is, russia can take advantage of this and will obviously take advantage of it, well, first of all,

it is clear that a large number of freedom fighters are behind the news, the entire political top of freedom is at war, iryna farion herself is in a serious situation... as if unnoticed was as for such a murder, it is always a terrorist act, that is, it is very strange to me that until now the law enforcement officers have not qualified this murder as a terrorist attack, that is, it is qualified as a domestic domestic murder. it's very strange, it's really a terrorist attack and it seems to me that there should be an investigation transferred to the sbu. because this is the murder of a politician, no matter what, even a distant politician iryna farion was the bearer of certain systemic values, and she attracted her ideas, attracted a lot of people, in particular the intelligentsia, we finally

saw a huge number of people at her funeral, and even such homemade posters, in which iryna farion was painted next to stepan andriyovych bandera. that is, it is clear that this is a very emotional, very sensitive event, which should also affect people. and emotions and dissatisfaction with power and search. it is clear that in lviv, for example, with the beginning of the war , a huge number of people from the east moved to lviv, and maybe someone was tired of looking for provocateurs from the east, so that lvivians would run around lviv with sticks and look for russian-speaking people from the donbass or kharkiv and ... arranged conflicts, well, lviv itself is not a city of conflict, but in fact, there are several

lines that i think were launched by, well, russian propagandists, of course, that is a line for the division of ukrainian society, because this is exactly the thesis the so-called good ones started pumping русский, which very often appear in... in the ukrainian media, that is, they are in unison, and in fact, by this they highlighted that moscow's interest in this is to destroy the unity of ukrainians, uh, well, iryna parion by herself , she created conflicts, but conflicts are more called er for the search for the truth, and not for conflicts for the self-destruction of people, i in... for the assassination of people against each other, that is, we essentially have such a moment

of trigger, a moment of provocation, which would should capture, well, at least the emotions of millions of people, and the fact that it is summer, and that it is, well, it is there is emotional fatigue from the war, there is fatigue from the lack of energy, from the impossibility of establishing a more or less regular life, so that household appliances finally work, and this was imposed on many processes, at the end we got a real act of intimidation of ukrainian society, and for some reason law enforcement officers it doesn't qualify as a terrorist attack or an act of intimidation, actually to me... it seems that one of the goals was precisely to intimidate the intelligentsia, the intelligentsia

is sensitive, the intelligentsia was very, very attached to these ideas, especially such radical ukrainization. secondly, it could really be a blow that was calculated so that part of the freedom fighters should break away from the front and return to look for murderers, farion and... and suddenly go to the azov, or something, that is, a calculation that to make certain ukrainian military units frown, well, this is a bit too much in my opinion, this is a far-fetched story, but as an act of intimidation of a certain section of society, lviv in general is he despite the fact that there were brutal attacks on lviv that in lviv the field of mars as a field of pain, so to speak, universal pain, and there are many amputees on the streets, you can see, well, from

the hospitals, you can see how many wounded people are being treated in lviv, and their families come to visit them, that is, the city seems to be living in war, but oh, but psychologically, people have somehow switched to such a way that the war is somewhere, the war does not concern us, and the war has come to lviv in this form, well... mr. volodymyr, we are already waiting for the conclusions of the investigators and, actually, maybe including the sbu will give answers to the questions we still have no, we will wait for the disclosure of the case of the murder of iryna farion, regarding the terrorizing of the ukrainian people. meanwhile, boris johnson, the former prime minister of great britain, outlined in the daily mail, after communicating with trump. a possible version of the peace plan, the so-called peace

plan between russia and ukraine, and, among other things , it was said that under this plan we can go to, firstly, the protection of russian-speaking people in ukraine, and secondly, the borders that were, or on the dividing line, which were as of february 24, 22, and so... for the first time, probably, in these discussions, regarding our western partners, regarding the future peace plan, there is this statement that we can leave there or at. assumptions about the border of the year 22, and not the year 91, while the sociology demonstrated by the kyiv international institute of sociology shows that by the end of the year 23, the willingness of ukrainians to make concessions was at the level of 19%, in february 24 26%, in may 24th 32%, i.e.

a third of the surveyed ukrainians talk about possible territorial ambassadors. 55% of ukrainians are against any territorial concessions, but in parallel with this head of the armed forces of ukraine, oleksandr syrskyi gave an interview to the british newspaper guardian, said that ukraine will do everything possible to reach the internationally recognized borders of 1991, and said that the military leadership has a de-occupation plan crimea, it is realistic, says oleksandr syrskyi, of course, this is a big army... a secret, we will do everything possible to reach the internationally recognized borders of 1991, we must win to free our citizens who are in the occupied territories territories that suffer. obviously, mr. volodymyr, we are now talking about the fact that apparently some draft of a preliminary peace agreement is still being prepared by our western partners, apparently some secret negotiations are going on

with russia, on which plan do you think ukraine, the western partners and the russian side? well, it seems to me that these ideas of ending the hot phase of the war are a kind of carrot for the herald. now , one thing is clear: financial and technical reserves for at least one year war in ukraine. well, it is guaranteed in ukraine , it is guaranteed, we are talking about a certain psychological thing, well, what zelensky is doing, who constantly talks about the fact that it is actually possible to end or freeze the hot phase of the war, i think that these are premature

plans, and just this thesis was confirmed during the visit of minister kuleba to... china, in fact, china, chinese factors who know putin well, they themselves confirmed that the situation is not ripe for the start of negotiations, this is the first, second, ukraine has not yet received the promised weapons , and there must be these weapons a lot, in particular , we will finally have a full-fledged aviation component, and when you analyze, for example, the statements of zelenskyi, it seems to me that it is more like, well, psychotherapy, he is just a little stavstovich, because aristovych has already found himself somewhere in the enemy's camp, so someone aristovych must be replaced, but boris johnson must also be listened to with a certain correction, because what boris

johnson made public can be called brusylov's breakthrough . from boris johnson, because there are so many contradictory theses, starting with theses about russian-speakers, what threatens them, they, russian-speakers in ukraine are threatened only by russian aggression, this is the first, second, absolutely contradictory thesis that when you arm the ukrainian army well, it will go to the borders 90 february 24, 2022 . if the ukrainian army is well armed, it will go to the borders of the kuban and the nadon and enter voron and belgorod. therefore, it is worth saying, and an even more fun thesis, which pleased me so much, and i always promote it, is the thesis

that ukrainian troops can replace american troops at american bases in europe. can you imagine, here... 80 km behind the dublin border, there is a romanian military base, and further on the border with lithuania, there is a polish, uh, american base, which at one time was almost called ford trump, it seems. the poles wanted to call it that, that is. isn't this thesis very strange, because instead of the idea of ​​boris johnson, instead of the american troops , the ukrainian troops should become high-tech. in the level with technological ee, well, possession of military technologies in level with the us troops and to carry out the mission,

the american mission with ukrainian hands, this is a very controversial thesis, because i will say this, the ground forces of poland today are developing with such a dynamic that we have to go crazy. this one is chasing, so it seems to me that boris johnson in general has spread a lot of all sorts of carrots, and the idea of ​​this publication was, well, the expansion is instrumental for trump, that is, trump so far offers a very simple trade scenario that either putin sits down with zelensky. er, it is agreed, or i will arm zelensky, and zelensky dismantles the russian army, so putin can sit down with zelensky for negotiations,

but he will not agree on anything. first of all, any landing of putin for negotiations directly with zelensky, this is a humiliation for putin, and he will not go for it, because he has already rushed, but like, like, for example, boris johnson, when he talks about returning . russia's big eight is calculated, who should sit there from russia? maybe he, maybe johnson , can withdraw the mandate of the international criminal court for a warrant, or rather international criminal court to arrest putin, i don't believe that johnson can withdraw such a warrant, well, so far we don't have answers to these questions either, but i understand. that johnson is playing his game, especially since he is close to trump, and it is clear that now they will throw out various options for peace agreements, and obviously, obviously, not the last

role in how this process will go will be played by beijing, dmytro kuleba, as you have already mentioned, is the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, for the first time since the great war, and in general since 2012 minister of foreign affairs of ukraine visited. was in beijing and discussed ways for a just peace with the head of the foreign ministry of the country vanya . on the eve of this visit, the head of the ukrainian foreign ministry immediately announced that they would look for ways to a just peace in beijing. let's listen to what kuleba said. the focus is on one question: peace in ukraine. we will talk, we will search. points of contact, we need to avoid competing peace plans, we need to move towards a just and sustainable peace, and china can play an important role in this

role, went to work. later, the ukrainian foreign ministry reported that kuleba in china spoke, in particular, about the terms of negotiations between ukraine and russia, and the ukrainian foreign ministry reported that our minister proved ukraine's consistent position, which is readiness to conduct negotiations. the process with the russian side at a certain stage, when russia will be ready to conduct negotiations in good faith, but emphasized that currently such readiness is not observed on the russian side. instead, the ministry of foreign affairs of china reported that kuleba was in the course of negotiations stated that ukraine and china are strategic as well as important economic and trade partners and emphasized that he supports china's position on the taiwan issue and adheres to the one china principle. volodymyr zelenskyi already said even more in the evening... address, which was just made public, that there is a clear signal that china supports the territorial integrity and sovereignty of ukraine, and it was also confirmed that

the country will not supply russia with weapons, for a detailed report by the minister , i expect after returning to ukraine, from this mosaic of these statements, messages, what picture, mr. volodymyr, do you see? well, first of all, china really does not supply weapons... directly , if the need arose, or rather, the simplest scheme for the supply of weapons, if china allowed itself to do it, then it would be a supply through belarus, it's a matter of because there is a joint product in china with belarus, it is called a missile system, a tactical missile system polonaise, and this type was supplied to... the republic of azerbaijan, the azerbaijanis used in the war against armenia, this very product, it is a missile system the chinese one is delivered on the chassis of the minsk

plant. i want to remind you that china has a technology park near minsk, a big kamin, and in principle, china now understands that without ukraine, without reconciliation, well, let's say, the end of the war, it is impossible to build any systematic trade between china and the european union without ukraine. let me remind you that at one time even yanukovych signed an investment project with china for the construction of a huge industrial park on lake donuzlav in crimea, it was an investment of 15 billion dollars, and yanukovych vance had 3 billion got. but here another thing is important, if now china already has certain agreements with hungary that hungary is a bridgehead. economic for

china for trade with the european union, because more serious countries have refused to cooperate with china, in particular italy, spain, and poland have somehow tightened their relations with china, but here it is interesting that without ukraine, hungary will not be able to trade, well, that is, to become such a permanent representative of china in europe, because transit... through ukraine can still be done without ukraine, transit through romania, but romania is already a country of european union, ukraine has a free trade zone, and ukraine is a promising china for europe, so to speak, because european levellers intend to place large , robotic productions in ukraine, which reduce the burden of delivery and make

european products more competitive. thank you, mr. volodymyr, it was volodymyr tsybulko, political expert, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube. be please take part in our vote, we are asking you today whether you consider it realistic to liberate crimea by military means. so, if you think yes or no, vote on youtube. if you are watching us on tv, take it. take your smartphone or phone and vote if you think it is realistic to liberate crimea by military means 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. dmytro will be in our studio in just a few minutes razunkov, people's deputy of ukraine, former speaker of the ukrainian parliament, well, for now , please look at the plot, how in the midst of

the energy crisis... business in ukraine is trying to survive and keep customers in rather difficult conditions, how much more difficult it has become for entrepreneurs to work and what to expect closer to in winter, our correspondents learned, don't switch, stay with us, work, take a walk or drink coffee, now you can only with such sound accompaniment. turning off the lights for 12 hours forces the business to run purely on fuel for such machines, do small entrepreneurs manage to make coffee and break even? the summer of 2004 was definitely more difficult for ukrainian businesses than the winter of 2023. abnormal heat and, as a result, even harsher power outages. in sumy, the work of small establishments has been turned into survival. it is very difficult to work now, our lights are turned off

seven times a day. 9 hours, it happens that during the entire working day there is only one and a half to two hours of light, and we have to work on the generator all the time. a generator is the must-have of any ukrainian entrepreneur, because nowadays they are without it literally, as if without hands, at the same time, the maintenance of this miracle machine requires huge funds. the generator consumes about 1015 liters of fuel per day. this roughly costs uah 20,000 per month. it's very difficult to say now, because the days are different, and most of us are working somewhere in zero, and now we are working to keep our customers. all products have become more expensive because there are no deliveries, everything spoils, you can't buy food, but thank god everything works here, our generator is running, we prepare food, prepare coffee and cold drinks, refrigerators work, everything is fine.