some kind of peace talks, about some kind of peace plan, about how, how this peace plan should actually be built, there is talk in beijing, zelenskyi says that our foreign minister and the foreign minister of china have reached an understanding, that is the reason for the peace agreements , it's just hovering, and what can you say about this process that 's going on right now, well the process. there is no, apart from the information conflict, apart from talks about peace talks, there are no peace talks, moreover, there are not even any movements regarding, for example, the discussion of specific the issues on which any peace talks should start, when they should take place, in what format, what the agenda is, there is nothing like that close, and i think that, well, not before the end of the presidential elections in the usa, it will not be... but

there is definitely an information war, yes, there are no peaceful, real peace plans either, what is in boris johnson's column is not a peace plan, it is a collection of ideas and proposals, and there are not many of them, just a few ideas, and i am skeptical of definition that this is trump's peace plan, who i read this column, and i advise you to read the first source, not the news, yes, it is visible there, it is a continuation. johnson's discussions with trump, the column was written after the meeting with trump, and it seems to me that johnson continues this conversation, there is flattery against trump, more than half, the beginning, half of this column is flattery against trump and in general this image of the new churchill, and this is a clear exaggeration, maybe it was done deliberately, or maybe johnson. he thinks so, the key idea is

that we hardly talk about ukraine, and this is the key idea of ​​this column, before starting any negotiations, it is necessary to provide ukraine with the most weapons, the only way to peace negotiations, a realistic way, this is the maximum military strengthening of ukraine, and i absolutely agree with this, this is the only way to future negotiations, putin will only understand the language of strength, until there is parity at the front. the enemy will not be stopped, there will be no peace negotiations, or these will be negotiations under the dictation of russia, which is unacceptable for us, and we definitely cannot go to such negotiations, this is the situation, so i advise you to read johnson, but johnson's realistic idea, what we do not understand, we will have to make some concessions, i agree with my colleague, we cannot talk about any territorial concessions.

according to johnson's logic, if you read his column, well, he actually hopes that at the expense of military aid it will be possible to push out the russians there at the border, the term borders cannot be used in any case, the only internationally recognized borders, well, borders, which are called borders 91- th year, everyone, everything else is a borderline, or a collision line, somewhere it is the border with russia, and somewhere the front line, and... there won’t be anything else, that’s why it’s quite conditional , everything is said about it, some ideas are very, i would say idealistic, putin will not give us anything, he will not give anything, this too it must be understood that our side, i agree with my colleague, cannot legally give up any territory, at most we can agree on a ceasefire, that is, de facto part of the occupied territories will remain under the control of russia, but de facto de jure...

we cannot not recognize and we will not, as we do not admit even now we do not recognize the occupation of crimea or most of donbas, and other occupied territories as russian either, so in this sense, the status of the occupied territories is a dead end, and in most other issues the situation will be the same, but again, i think about negotiations , that not before the end of the presidential elections in the usa, if trump becomes president, he will initiate peace talks, that's the only thing. what can be predicted, for sure, but what will happen next, the options may be different, the question is whether or not trump will become president, judging by recent events, the probability that kamala harris can become the president of the united states of america will obviously increase every day, considering the well, take your time, sergey, take your time, i think the situation is not so simple here, but in america they know how to use yes called formative. not worse

than ours, actually, yes, the situation has leveled off a bit now, the democrats have a chance, and so yes, the winner is now unknown, and... we don't have to bet on anyone now, what about the american election , regarding negotiations, we need to play a difficult game now, why did zelenskyy start talking about peace talks in connection with the trump factor, plus some of our friends, and there are other countries that say, well, we need to start negotiations with russia, but the key phrase kuleby in china that it is impossible to negotiate with the current position of russia, there, well, it is possible in different ways. to translate there conscientious, virtuous, although these concepts are not compatible with russia, in fact, but this is just a hint, well, if russia presents us with ultimatums, about which negotiations with russia can be discussed, by the way, i would like to pay attention, because everyone talks about china only in the context of peace negotiations,

in fact the situation is more complicated, why china, china invited us, our foreign minister was not there for 12 years, well, maybe less, because yanukovych was still traveling. in the 13th year, but nevertheless, our first persons in china were not there for more than 10 years, they suddenly invited us here, and this is not only because china is now interested in being an intermediary there again, there are also interesting circumstances in china very dissatisfied, as far as i know, with putin's visits to north korea, vietnam, in china's backyard, putin began to implement his own diplomacy, and what's more, in beijing they are unhappy with the visit... the pompous visit to moscow, and in the west, even in russia itself, everyone is writing that this is about china, in particular, because that india balances its relations with china through russia in this way, and russia weakens its dependence on

china through the intensification of relations with india, and china did not like this, and therefore the gesture, the invitation to kuleba, yes, well, ukraine will take advantage of this opportunity to some extent. although there have been no breakthroughs in terms of peace negotiations will be, and the last one, do not confuse peace summits with peace negotiations, they are not the same, they are different tracks, parallel, peace summits are, well, this is zelensky’s favorite format, he likes it, and he believes that it will influence putin, i 'm not sure about it, but well, international support, a menu for negotiations, yes , it will perform this function, russia will not be there ... participate, because this format does not correspond to russian interests, and it is not their playground is a game on someone else's field, so russia will not be there, but the real negotiations will take place in in a narrow format, with mediators and in such a rather closed regime, so these are different things, negotiations will not be inevitable, but not

now and, i think, not before next year, well , but here is what zelensky himself says about the fact that it is necessary as soon as possible for ... war and he met with the state secretary of the holy see, cardinal pietro parolin, and he literally said the following, let's listen. thank you for your participation in the peace summit. it was the first step, only the first step, or already the first step. all these steps are very important for us, and it is important that you support them. and i heard your words. i think... that we all understand that we have to end the war as soon as possible, of course, so as not to lose human lives. mr. viktor, how can we end the war as soon as possible when russia speaks to us in the language of ultimatums? well, you can

only defeat russia on the battlefield, this is the fastest way. of course, we understand. that, as the kievan, but russian writer bulgakov wrote, a man is not just a death, a sudden death, yes, the death of putin can be for us to become that window of opportunity to do something somewhere, again we understand what it is like, well, when any society is tired of war, we have seen it now. that our society is tired of war, and this can be seen from polls, and last year 10% were ready to cede territory, now 30% are already 32%. it is clear that putin thinks that in the spring there will be more than half of them, yes, who will simply

say, no, let my husband be there or my son return, i'm sorry for that crimea, that's the kind of hope in the russian federation, but well, let's think about the fact that the russian... federation is also getting tired of the war, they are getting tired, yes, in an authoritarian country, someone will object to me, there may be people who don't care about that, yes, but meanwhile society. may spit, but the army does not spit. we know how the russian army collapsed in the first world war when they simply refused to hold the front. and whole companies, battalions, and yes, divisions fled from the front, just not that they fled, but left the front. so do we, we can't say, but i know, and all of us, those who served, know, that when it is most difficult for a soldier to fight, it is either november or february, february, march, when winter is already ending, when something else, well, in general, is bad. and here the russian army can really start pouring in february, march, and putin thinks that we will pour,

here is another thing i would like to say, this is unambiguous, when we can, well, really improve our negotiating conditions, yes, not just there , when their army starts to fall, imagine that war is like boxing, imagine how volodya klitschko, the younger brother of the mayor of kyiv, beat povetkin, i like to watch... match, so what, it's pure pleasure, how a ukrainian beats a russian, yes, he beat him briskly in the first, third, fifth round, already in the eighth, yes, povetkin was swollen and covered in blood, but volodya was already like that, and in the 12th round they were already holding on to each other, and there, like, so as not to fall, here we are, imagine that we are now somewhere in the eighth round out of 12 or in the seventh, and we feel bad, but and the russians feel bad, we... feel that we are at the limit of possibilities, yes, but one must understand that

the russians are also at the limit of possibilities, and economic, they brought the 1948 cannon to the front, we understand all this, and we must also approach the future peace negotiations with this understanding, we think that everything is already approaching, here we are everything is raining already, but it is necessary to understand that the enemy is raining, and that is why it is necessary to get together and how... boris johnson to go out to vesna prepared and say that there is no such thing, we must at least go to changari perekop, berdyansk, and then, maybe somewhere there is already saying something about something, but not earlier, and you need to focus on it in order to government, society, friends, we will have to survive this winter, and we will be pushed to negotiations, only sometime in february, march will... say, but if we have great negotiating positions, or we say, wait, we will now go to chongari perekop,

we’ll see later, or how are you testing tv viewers now, is it possible to de-occupy crimea, that’s also a good option, yes, let’s go to kerch, and we’ll see, well , it’s like that, thank you, mr. viktor, mr. volodymyr, in these here are the conversations, how how. finish as soon as possible war, in principle, this is also the hope of ukrainians, of course, volodymyr zelenskyi is not only the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, he is the president of ukraine, he obviously says what ukrainians expect, and how is this figure, the number of people who are ready to make territorial concessions , is growing, about this sociology of kmis, i mentioned whether or not this would be, let’s say, a reason... in order to conclude an agreement, where, where will these territorial concessions be, when this figure,

for example, will be more 50%, well, they will say, well , sociology says that more than 50% of ukrainians they allow it, listen, zelensky, when he won the election, when he was supported by 70%, in the 19th year, he quickly began to do the negotiation process, and not just sociology, but real elections. the election results were in his favor, and with an overwhelming, let's say, number, but when he started these negotiations, he faced opposition from an active minority, i remember it very well, i was there twice, well, during the current administration, i was in the president's office twice, it was in october and i think at the beginning of november 19, well...

vasym, i am the co-founder of this movement, so i remember, the first meeting was big, it was held by the fair, there were more participants of these protests, why am i mentioning this, because they, i mean both zelensky and the fair , not only they, perfectly understand. that in society there are different moods, different positions, and he is like a normal politician, he has already become a politician, although perhaps he still has, in general, his talents are, let's say, weak. place, he is a resonator of public sentiments, he relays these sentiments, but already in his position as the head of the state, but nevertheless, he understands, there will be opponents, we have any schedule, even if the ideal option is that we go to the border in 1991, all the same part of the people will be categorically against any any negotiations with

russia, any, in this case 50% will not be enough. i am of the opinion that the maximum that can be agreed upon is only a ceasefire, along a certain line of contact, there will be no talk of any territorial concessions, absolutely, this is simply unacceptable. and i think zelenskyi understands this perfectly, and when sociologists ask this question, it is an indicator, an indicator of readiness for peace, by the way, here is another study, there were tougher questions, what the mirror of the week for... said of the razumkov center, there , please note, the relative majority, not the absolute, relative majority is for peace negotiations, but there is an active minority that will act against, against these negotiations, and what to do in this situation, well, maybe, here they mentioned the cliché, perhaps, although this idea of ​​zelensky himself on the 22nd, march 22nd,

well, maybe if there are some unpleasant options, for example, we will have to make some concessions, well, for example, there will be a withdrawal from nato, zelensky does not want to do this, and neither do the majority of ukrainians, but what to do, war, continuation of war , or such a concession, he will say: ok, let's stop hostilities, yes, let's hold a referendum and let the people decide whether they want to abandon nato or not, but i do not rule out such options, the movement towards nato, first of all, and secondly, you know the referendum very well 91st year. march and december, there are already one-meter ones right, right, but what am i talking about, no, the referendum in this case will not be a decision, but rather a legitimation, he zelensky will not want to take responsibility for some unpopular decisions, and this can be a form of refusal from some, let's say, compromise option,

this is just a theoretical model for now, but public moods are currently ambivalent, at the same time people... are tired of the war, the relative majority is ready for negotiations, the absolute majority does not want negotiations on russian conditions, does not want to, but unfortunately, a large part of ukrainians are not ready to fight now, and this is also a harsh truth, and all this is combined at the same time, and that is why zelensky will maneuver, he has no other way out, now he is forced to take into account the military factors, resources on... and diplomatic, regarding the idea of ​​ending the war by the end of the year, well, i would say yes, somewhere this desire is a bit idealistic, somewhere, let's say, a tactical game, well, here is a representative of the vatican, he is told that he wants to hear, so far i don't i do not see any objective military or political prerequisites for the end of active

military operations by the end of the year, i do not see such prerequisites, well, i only have one remark. regarding referendums, we only implemented the decision of one referendum, it was a referendum on the independence of ukraine on december 1, so we didn’t have one in ukraine, there were only two referendums, there was a referendum in 1991 and 2000, and that’s it. yes, but there was no practice, i also have one remark, to mr. volodymyr, that we have historical analogies, when in ireland in 1919 the revolution against britain began in 2012, and then in the 21st year the british said: okay, but let's hold a plebiscite and six north-west, north-east games expressed a desire to remain part of britain,

and in... and this divided irish society and those who fought together, as brothers who fought against britain together, started a civil war among themselves, because some of them said, well, if someone does not like living in ireland, then a suitcase at the london station, yes there, and the confrontation was internal social to led to of the civil war, so i absolutely agree with my colleague, i absolutely agree that even you... on the borders of 1991, some heads will not cool down, because they will say there, russia must be destroyed, we must leave, drive them to mazhaisk, we must take the kuban there. southern and northern slobozhanshchyna, there is bilhorodsk, there is voronivsk region and so on, so on, that is, even this option will not satisfy anyone, the more there is

an attempt to cede territories, this is definitely not the right option, thank you, these are just historical analogies, we do not have so much time left i would like us to comment very briefly on the murder of iryna farion in the center of lviv. shot, the killer was not caught, it is not clear who, who shot her, who, in your opinion, is behind the shooting of iryna farion, mr. volodymyr, well, i have already said about it several times, there in various other broadcasts, i am convinced with a high probability that these are the russian special services, the customers could be found, or rather, the executors could be found in ukraine, but they saw in this murder such a ... that's why iryna farion was chosen, as a symbolic victim, who very actively and aggressively

spoke out not only in defense of the ukrainian language, but also with criticism of russian speakers, and that's why we decided that if we remove her, it could upset galicians, ukrainian-speakers, anti-russian-speakers, and russia wants us. quarrel among themselves, wants to provoke an internal war among themselves. unfortunately, we already have manifestations of internal conflicts, but russia wants to add this, so irina farion, according to the kremlin, was suitable for this role, and they expected that it might work, but i believe that ukrainian society reacted very wisely, and here are the appeals that were made, and respect for iryna farion, no matter how those who did not treat her before. and appeals that we cannot clarify relations among ourselves now, we must maintain unity, and the reaction was responsible, balanced, and i

think that this is how we should react to various complex and tragic, dramatic challenges, which may appear, or which russia may throw at us , so i am convinced that these are russians done, thank you, mr. volodymyr, mr. viktor, i don’t even know what to add... i completely agree with my colleague, not only that, when someone put forward the version that, well, it was not beneficial for russia, because they used, including farion , she provoked internal conflicts very often, so why kill a person who by herself provoked a conflict in ukrainian society, but i absolutely agree with my colleague that this is exactly the russian method, because it was assumed that it would drive us into an even bigger one.. . lynch yes there, that someone someone there will say that there is no tragedy in this, someone will be fiercely defensive and it will come up again and

those who say that ukraine is not ukraine forward, but ukraine forward, but they are fighting for ukraine under ukrainian flags will still speak there , that they will say that if you speak russian, you are a muscovite there and what will start, but nothing has started, this nation... this death did not separate, but probably even united, because everyone, if anyone is intelligent does not understand that the russian federation is behind this, then at the level of intuition, at the level of feelings, people felt it, probably, yes, well gentlemen, we will wait for the investigation of this case, and that our investigative bodies will simply put the dots of hope, and maybe, maybe this case will still be considered in the context of a terrorist attack, because these are... terrorist acts and are intended to intimidate or to sow fear or hatred in the ukrainian society, i hope that it will still happen and all the dots of hope in

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