i'm honestly not a fan of corn, but i'll definitely buy it tomorrow. well then, well then, don't forget the verdict at 20:00 and its author and presenter serhiy rudenko, he will have interesting guests, he will have interesting topics, there are literally a few minutes left. i say goodbye to you, see you tomorrow. good evening, we are from ukraine. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. the enemy's possibilities are limitless. the command of the national guard expects that the russian troops on all fronts will be forced to go on the defensive in a month or a half. when it becomes possible ukrainian counteroffensive. the time for negotiations is not ripe. chinese diplomacy assesses readiness. and russia to substantive

negotiations on permanent peace, with which the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleva, is returning from beijing. the ultimatum of real politics. in poland , ukrainians are being demanded to apologize for the volyn tragedy. can the historical conflict stand in the way of ukraine's future in the european union. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. over the next hour let's talk about ukraine, about the world, about the war and about our victory, let's talk about what the investigation says, as the investigation says regarding the investigation into the murder of iryna farion, today they detained the alleged murderer, a well-known linguist and a well-known ukrainian.

nationalists, about what is happening with the bill banning the moscow church in ukraine, and the most important thing is, of course, ukraine's international negotiations regarding stable peace, or the renewal of peace, kuleba has returned from beijing and has news about the negotiations with his chinese counterpart, wang yi . however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how the soldiers of the 79th 5th taurian brigade of the russian infantry regiment in the kurakhiv direction repelled one of the biggest assaults of this war the other day, the enemy used 11 tanks, 45 bmps and about 200 personnel personnel, six tanks and seven bmps, the paratroopers managed to destroy, the rest fled from the battlefield. let's watch this enchanting video.

glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live there, please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey. today we ask you this: do you think that the russian special services are behind the murder of farion? yes, no, if you watch us on youtube, you can vote with the appropriate buttons, or leave comments under this video if you have a personal opinion. dissenting opinion, if

you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you do you think that the murder of iryna farion is behind the russian special services 0800-211-381, no 0800 211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce today's first guest, mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada subcommittee on politics. of cultural policy, co-chairman of the verkhovna rada group on inter-parliamentary relations with the republic of poland. mr. mykola, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. greetings, thank you for invitation. well, first of all, here is the farion case , today the ministry of internal affairs reported that the alleged murderer of a famous linguist was detained in dnipro, this is an 18-year-old resident of dnipro, who shot the linguist, says the minister of internal affairs of ukraine, klymenko, at his place of residence. searches are ongoing, after that

he will be taken to lviv, currently the investigation is inclined to the opinion that the shooter is only an executor, what is the minister of internal affairs saying now? monitored his intelligence, we monitored his movements, movements, we monitored how he changed his clothes, how he changed his gait, how he changed his travel routes, changed his place of residence at least three times, and he did all this quite secretly, he moved exclusively, we know what kind of transport, and completely, i think that will be collected, already collected completely the evidence base for... further indictment of this person, so far, mr. mykola, the investigation speaks about the probable perpetrator of this murder, but does not speak about the customer, that is, who in your opinion could be

interested in the murder of iryna farion, well they themselves said that he is most likely the executor because the investigation is still ongoing, they don't know that, but i saw these screenshots that were printed from his correspondence, first of all... he did correspond with this neo-fascist russian organization that took responsibility for this murder, and obviously, well, i can't say, but i have a clear feeling that it was obviously done by russia, because there cannot be any russian pro-nazi organization that is not under the control of the russian special services, because all these ultra-nazi organizations are not just controlled by the special services, but very often they are financed and created by the special services, so i have almost no involvement with this russia. well, this is not only a high-profile murder, it is also a terrorist act, because the goal, and this is the worst, because ukrainians are used to listening to different opinions, some agreed with iryna dmitrievna, some did not, she really expressed

radical opinions, but that is her right, and that's why there were so many people at the funeral, because they were also the people who completely divided her belief, but there are a lot of people who are convinced that... it's not possible, that a person cannot be killed for a belief, whether they killed him for a belief or not, again, you have to investigate the investigation, i have the impression that they just they counted on an internal conflict in ukraine, on fanning an internal conflict in ukraine, because it would be enough in lviv after that to initiate the murder of some russian-speaking person there, as they say now, although i do not recognize this term, because even the constitutional court said that there is no, there are ukrainians i... russians, yes, and ukrainian-speaking, russian-speaking , this is not a characteristic, but to kill someone who speaks russian there, or for whom russian is their native language, and to say that this is the revenge of nationalists in order to shake our country from the inside, i think, for this is what they are trying and tried to use, well, obviously what happened in

lviv, this bloody, bloody shooting, obviously this is not the last such terrorist act and obviously russia will be used. all in order to split ukrainian society, what threats exist now and what can be done about it depend on internal destabilization, that is, how can they destabilize the situation internally, you know, ukrainians are a wise enough people, and so far we have somehow found protection against it, you remember, they tried to invent maidan 3, varieties of ukraine, this is still before, i mean during the full-scale invasion, yes... they tried to provoke various things between the ukrainian authorities and the opposition, but our opposition is wise enough to understand that during a war, unity is the most important thing, that should get us, unity and the preservation of democratic principles, this

is what makes us win, because because we are a democratic country that condemns terror, we are supported by the west, because authoritarian countries are fighting against democratic countries, and because the fact that we... are responsible people, we understand that even though i, for example, am in opposition to the president, i perfectly understood that holding elections during martial law and during war is simply impossible, and they tried to shake up the situation here as well, and they did it in all kinds of ways and will continue to do so in the future, this is not the first example of russian terror in ukraine, we have many such examples, and terror is different, sometimes this terror was against, as you remember, cars of sbu employees and other special forces were blown up there. .. they killed, shot, many crimes about which we do not know, which have not yet been solved, so, well, in the conditions of war, you have to be ready for everything, well, and the main question, as long as there will be a moscow church in ukraine, obviously we should wait until then certain actions from

the moscow church, this week the verkhovna rada ukraine did not consider the draft law in the second reading on the prohibition of enemy churches on the territory of ukraine. stefanchuk explained this by the fact that this draft law is not ready, although according to the regulations there are two weeks for making changes to the law, which was adopted in the first reading, that is, all the deadlines have already expired. how do you consider this story, i.e. is it a purely political issue of presenting this draft law and voting in the second reading, or is it an attempt, well, by some of these procedural norms, to simply delay the vote for this law and, accordingly, give a clear answer that there is no place for a branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, it's just that the russian orthodox church is very strong, it is part of russian intelligence, the russian army, these are the people who call for our destruction, who declared a war on us, a holy, that is, a holy

war, this is a war of destruction , and the fact that, unfortunately, we have religious organizations that continue to be in unity with the russian church, this is a shame, this is simply a crime against the soldiers who are now fighting at the front, it is a crime against all the victims who there is, and the fact that the government is holding on like this for this, it proves once again that the russian influence on them remains very strong. and not all the government, because we picketed the podium and there were representatives of various factions, our committee voted for this bill unanimously, we have representatives of all factions, the majority are servants of the people, and in the presidential faction there are a lot of honest and responsible patriots who speak with us for this law, there are also those who were against it, their lists are printed, their names are called, but they cannot influence, there is a majority in general, and what is in the hall it is not passed, why is it not passed, because the leader of the faction, david. rahamiya refused to introduce it, opposed it, as did the leaders of the two groups that formed on the ruins

of the opz. you can understand them. it is difficult for me to understand why the leader of the majority faction does this, because in the conditions of war, continuing to allow the russian criminal network to exist in ukraine is also a crime from my point of view. and what is your version, they, i mean, the ukrainian authorities do not want to introduce this law in the second. reading of the draft law in second reading, due to the fact that there are certain negotiations about a possible peace agreement, is the church an important element in the next elections, both parliamentary and presidential, and the current government simply does not want to quarrel with the branch, firstly, once again i would not generalized, because the security service is a political decision, look again, the security service of ukraine, for example, which is also part of the government, supports the draft law. openly supports and writes in his letters the norms that we wrote in the draft law. the ukrainian church supports the bill.

you can't call it oppositional now. er, that's why i don't think that the authorities have any one position. i think that the church, the russian church, so to speak, this group has a very strong influence on some representatives of the government, through joint businesses, through corruption, through money. and i think that has a far greater impact than any political motivation. i think it's elementary. corruption, while we had russian gas, we had corruption, not only in us, it was in germany, they bought schröder, as soon as countries find the strength to refuse this, then this corruption disappears, i think that this russian church, it is worse than russian gas, because russian gas at least brought some benefit, here this corruption supports one harm for ukraine, because well, because of that, i would not complicate this issue, well, that is, part of the deputies could, as they once lobbied for the gaming business, and the legislation regarding the gaming business, in the same way , lobby for the adoption of this law, and everything

can be, the reasons can be different, but i i think that this is an element in one form or another, because corruption can be political, corruption can be to an individual deputy or to the leaders of factions or groups, but i think that this is an element of corruption, it is obvious that for what means the russian church existed here, it was received by ukrainian oligarchs, whom russia allowed to earn, medvedchuk, novinsky, and many of them... now he defends non-poor people, yuri boyko, for example, is a non-poor person, so he also always supports this church, and because of that for them it had a double meaning, on the one hand, it was retribution the russians are able to do business with them, and on the other hand, this group supported them in the elections, and many people continue to count on such support, although according to all sociological surveys, this support will definitely not add anything to them, but they think that it will add maybe some region specific where it might add this week. former prime minister of great britain boris johnson

wrote in a column for the daily mail that among the points of a possible peace plan that russia and ukraine can implement, there may be a clause regarding curtseys for people who speak russian on the territory of ukraine. why do you think a friend, a great friend of ukraine, a true friend of ukraine, boris johnson is talking about this, why are these curtseys towards putin. and how do they threaten ukraine? well, look, i think johnson actually wants to do a good thing, he wants to reach out to trump. he wants to convince trump that, god forbid, the defeat of ukraine would happen, which of course i do not believe. then it will mean the defeat of the united states. and i think that johnson is doing everything for trump to do that understand. and a lot of what lord johnson says at first glance sounds drastic and shocked me, but when i re-read his article in the daily mail, i saw that, well , nowhere does he say that we should abandon the borders of 91 year, that is, he is talking about a certain suspension at the borders, about the borders, but

he still continues to insist on the territorial integrity of ukraine. he himself called this war genocidal, including. for the russification of ukraine, but when he expresses certain theses, he is with the ukrainian authorities says, i think that the ukrainian language is something that the ukrainian government is ready to give up first of all, and there is a problem here, i think that this is not so much his position as the position of his interlocutors in ukraine, because he consults with everyone before voicing our thoughts, and here our position and that of our government should be clearer. another topic that came up quite unexpectedly is the topic of... the volyn tragedy and the volyn issue, as they say in poland, the minister of defense of poland, władysław kosiniak kamysz, stated that the introduction ukraine's accession to the eu depends on the resolution of historical issues with poland, polsat news reports that he said, in his opinion, real politics should issue an ultimatum, without a resolution of the volyn issue, there will be no accession of ukraine to

the european union . well, that is, he is talking about the fact that while ukraine do not apologize for volyn, so far ukrainians have apologized for volyn, well, i wanted to ask how many ukrainians kneeled in front of the monument to the victims of the volyn tragedy, zelenskyi in the days of the volyn tragedy, i prayed together with duda, our presidents have already apologized to each other and only to the poles for this, and anyway, i think that this statement is more for domestic political use, because what we have to do, well, in addition, we have to to understand that the volyn... tragedy was a conflict between citizens of the polish state, and i am not saying this, this is a quote from the famous polish politician pawel kowal, who said absolutely rightly that there were poles of polish origin and poles of ukrainian origin, because on at that time they were citizens of poland, there was a conflict between them, both of them died, this is a tragedy, but

who can bear the responsibility for this, either the polish state, because they were citizens of the polish state, or the german state, which was occupying at that time. these territories in accordance with the norms of international law. why is ukraine here? ukraine can honor the victims of this tragedy and condemn, er, any crimes against the civilian population from all sides, both from our side, because they were, and from the polish side, because they were also. and that's why this formula that ivan paul ii spoke, and then all our presidents that, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, that's a formula that works perfectly for that. we should forget about the past altogether. it is obvious that we as history should remember him, and our historians should restore the forum of historians. by the way, i am very pleased that we have now returned from poland with the ukrainian-polish cooperation group. first, in most cases no one mentioned these issues. on the contrary, young polish politicians say that you, why are we talking about the past, we need to talk about the future. we have your

back and we are truly grateful to each and every one of you a pole who did a lot to support ukraine, the way they receive ukrainians, the way they help them, it 's worth it. respect, sincere respect, both young poles and polish politicians look at it that way, they understand that together we should be the greatest allies in the european union. my colleague volodymyr yatrovych, who once headed the institute of national memory, was with me in this group, and he says exactly the same thing, that we must look to the future. in the past , we had both difficult and beautiful pages in the history of the two nations pages we don't talk about for some reason, once we start talking about heavy pages and start fanning them. so who wins? the aggressor country wins, the russian federation, which destroys either poland or ukraine, and most polish politicians understand this. we have unresolved issues. for example, at one time we suspended the exhumation of poles who died on the territory of ukraine, and i consider this, i personally do not consider it correct, but the poles destroyed a memorial

tablet in the village of the monastery, where upa soldiers who fought with the nkvd died. and this table is there stood in accordance with polish legislation, it was approved, it fully complied with all norms of polish legislation. it was destroyed by vandals, and it has not yet been restored. and there was an agreement between president duda and president zelensky that the poles will restore this table and we will unblock the exhumation. i think that it can be done with absolute peace of mind from all pragmatic and practical practical and human points of view and i am convinced that it must be done and we will do everything for it. and volodymyr yatrovych met there with a very famous person as well a polish historian with whom... they often have debates with gzekrze motyka, and gzekzotyka is now the head of the military historical commission under the ministry of defense and is precisely responsible for these issues, and they found an understanding on this and are developing a plan. road map to somehow avoid all this, so i think that we and the poles will come to an agreement here, but this does not mean at all that the poles will not use it in their domestic political issues, which is unfortunately happening these days.

well, let's hope that these questions are what are now being articulated, will not prevent ukraine from joining the european union, and poland will not put this issue in the way of ukraine, which will be the power in poland, in six months there will be the presidency of poland in the eu. our task is to settle all disputed issues with the poles, and they and we are equally interested in this. thank you, mr. mykola, for the conversation, it was mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, and now we will watch a small plot before switching on our military expert oleksandr kovalenko. we are talking about unmanned aerial vehicles from the military, requests for these vehicles are growing and til helps to make dangerous gifts for the russian occupiers. in poltava , courses were opened, as with anna morozova saw taking a drone, how the classes were going. ksenia from poltava has an engineering education and last worked with a drunkard 10 years

ago, now she came to training on how to assemble a drone and for the first time in a long time remembers how to work with equipment and boards. we are trying to solder something to the wires on the test boards, for example, here is the power wire and we remember all the nuances of work. we practice doing neat soldering. as if there is nothing difficult here at all, if you just listen to the theory, then you take flux, take solder and connect it all with a soldering iron, but there are a lot of nuances in doing it carefully. the rear can help collect dangerous gifts for the russian occupiers, which is why a basic course on uav manufacturing was launched for civilians in poltava, dozens of people came to the second class. in the end, i soldered, maybe, well, quite qualitatively, because after all it is necessary to have skills and experience in this regard, but the lead is soldered and held, there they used different techniques, yes, and

there with this plus, then with tin, try to solder power contacts, try to solder such small contacts, by the way, it is the elrs model 915 mg that we burned, the five-hour lesson consists of two parts: first, they get acquainted with the list of spare parts, working tools and stages of work. the practical part is built on working with wires, contacts and a soldering iron. bohdan admits, terms and wording difficult for him, but it was important for him to see the process of making drones. i do not understand this at all. drones are interesting to me, but more interesting for general development. i understand that there are many areas that are important. a lot of people in these areas buy us time so that we can be here. that's all he does, and then somewhere else to ride bicycles, sometimes to a cafe, then to work, and i just want to understand, out of respect, what people do, how they do it, at least on some basic surface level.

instructor oleksandr compares the assembly of a drone with jewelry work, because concentration and caution are important here, so it is an opportunity for listeners to test their strength and skills. they come to open up some new questions for themselves, to work with some technique that they have not encountered before, and they also come completely. skills to understand them, it is not theirs, to understand whether it is worth developing further in this direction, buying some equipment, building drones or doing something else. to get to the training, you can apply for the civilian readiness center. as needed or requested lessons on collecting drones can deepen. anna morozova, bohdan proskurov from poltava for espresso tv channel. friends, on... i would like to remind you that we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms now live, take part in our survey, today we ask you

about so, do you think that the russian secret services are behind farion's murder, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have your own opinion, leave it please in the comments below this video, if you watch us on tv, take your smart phone or phone and vote for the numbers if you think they are behind the murder... all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will match we have the results of this vote, and then we will be in touch with oleksandr kovalenko, a military-political analyst of the information resistance group. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, congratulations, so let's start with the fact that for the second night in a row russia has attacked with drones izmail district of odesa and these drones flew further to the border from romania, even as

they say. those who live on the other side of the border in romanian settlements or villages, they say that these drones fall on that side of the border, nato does not yet see, as they say, a deliberate attack on the alliance in the fall of shahed in romania, this is reported reuters, while nato has no information indicating any deliberate russian attack on ally territory, these actions are irresponsible and potentially dangerous. said the representative of the alliance, why, mr. oleksandr, our westerners the allies avoid answering simple questions like this, if these are russian drones and they fly into the territory of a country that is a member of the north atlantic alliance, why does the alliance constantly say: well , they flew there by accident, that this is not an attack on a country, a member of nato, what should happen, for nato to say: listen, you can't do that, russia doesn't...

behave like that and we won't allow their missiles, their drones to fly into the territory of nato member countries. well, i think that even if kamika's drone hits some object on the territory of romania, there will still be to make excuses that it was unintentional. the fact is that the russian federation is not the first to use the airspace of other countries to carry out strikes on the territory of ukraine. and romania is... which is not the first time in 2023 that there were strikes on reni and izmail at the very time of the so-called grain terror that russia staged, it also used romania's airspace in order to more safely reach the area of ​​izmail , i will also remind you that in 2022

and not only the 22nd, but the 23rd year... caliber, they flew through the airspace of moldova in order to more safely reach central, western and northern ukraine, although moldova is not a nato country and in principle does not have air defenses that could counter the calibers, but still this is also an example of how someone else's airspace was used. belarus is also used even by drones and kamikaze, lately they have been flying into the airspace . belarus, in order to shorten the approach distance to kyiv region and chernihiv region, and poland, let's remember poland as found in the forest on the territory of poland in general the kh-55 missile, which flew there and even the poles did not know that it had violated their airspace. so, in fact, russia constantly violates the airspace , for what? in order for her weapons to reach the target with... a lower

probability of being hit by our anti-aircraft weapons, as well as to reduce the distance. this is a direct blow to the members of nato, the north atlantic alliance. that's the point, it's not. this is the fact that all the actions of the north atlantic alliance are related to the bureaucratized and the archaic fifth article of collective security. and, unfortunately, in this case, they really won't do anything to, for example, stop either russia, or to stop the very process of such objects flying through their airspace. but it turns out that in this case, according to putin's logic, the north atlantic alliance is playing the role of patient, because the russians are testing, trying out various options for possible attacks, today a drone just flew by or accidentally landed there, next time it will not

be by chance. a k-55 missile will fly into the territory of the polish state, that is, is there a limit where nato will say: listen, well, let's finish with this already, because yes, we will also wait for russian fighter jets in our skies, it may be from the border, it is a targeted strike on the territory of one of the nato countries, but on... even then the fifth article of collective security will not be involved, the fourth reinforcement of countermeasures protection along the border of nato countries may be involved, and constantly increased vigilance and indeed the shooting down of those objects that fall into the airspace of one of the alliance countries, but to speak even in this case it is not proved about something more significant, because in pri'.