and we should expect certain actions from the moscow church, this week the verkhovna rada of ukraine did not consider the draft law in the second reading on the prohibition of enemy churches on the territory of ukraine. stefanchuk explained this by the fact that this draft law is not ready, although according to the regulations there are two weeks for making changes to the law that was adopted in the first reading, well, that is, all the deadlines have already expired. how do you view this story, that is, it is purely political. the issue of bringing this draft law and voting in the second reading, is it an effort, well, that's it with some of these procedural norms, it is easy to delay the vote for this law and accordingly give a clear answer that there is no place for a branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, simply that the russian orthodox church is very strong, it is part of the russian intelligence of the russian army, these are the people who call for our destruction, who announced... . to us a

holy war, that is, a holy war is a war of destruction, and the fact that, unfortunately, we have religious organizations that continue to be in unity with the russian church is a shame, it is simply a crime against the military, which now they are fighting at the front, this is a crime in relation to all the victims that there are, and the fact that the authorities are holding on to it like this proves once again that the russian influence on them remains very strong, and not all the authorities, because we picketed the tribune and there... representatives of various factions, our the committee voted for this draft law unanimously, we have representatives of all factions, the majority are servants of the people, and in the presidential faction there are a lot of honest and responsible patriots who support this law together with us, there are also those who were against it, their lists are printed, their names are called, but they cannot influence, there is a majority in general, and the fact that it was not brought to the hall, why was it not brought, because the leader of the david rahamia faction refused to introduce it, spoke against it, as well as the leaders of ...

groups, which were formed on the fragments of opzzh. you can understand them. it is difficult for me to understand why the leader of the majority faction is doing this, because in the conditions of war, continuing to allow the russian criminal network to exist in ukraine is also a crime from my point of view. and which version is yours? they, i mean, the ukrainian authorities do not want to introduce this law in the second reading, the draft law in the second reading, due to the fact that now and... there are certain negotiations regarding a possible peace agreement, whether the church is an important element in the next parliamentary and presidential elections, and just the current one the government does not want to quarrel with the branch, i would not generalize again, because the security service, look again, the security service of ukraine, for example, which is also part of the government, supports the draft law, openly supports and writes in its letters the norms that we wrote in...

bill, the ukrainian church supports the bill, you can't call them opposition now, so i don't think that the authorities have any one position, i think that in the russian church, so to speak, the church, this group has a very strong influence on some representatives power, through joint businesses, through corruption, through money, and i think that this has a much greater influence than any political motives, i think that this is elementary corruption, but as long as we had russian gas, we had corruption , not only. in germany she was schroeder they bought, right? as soon as the countries find the strength to refuse it, this corruption will also disappear. i think that this russian church is worse than russian gas, because russian gas brought at least some benefit, here this corruption supports one harm for ukraine. because of that, because of that, i would not complicate this issue. well, that is, part of the deputies could, as in the past, they lobbied for the gaming business, and the legislation regarding the gaming business, they could lobby in the same way. not the adoption

of this law and everything can be the reasons be different, but i think that this is an element in one form or another, because corruption can be political, corruption can be to an individual deputy or to leaders of factions or groups, but i think that this is an element of corruption, it is obvious that on what kind of funds did the russian church exist here, it was received by ukrainian oligarchs, whom russia allowed to earn, medvedchuk, novinsky, and many of them are still defending non-poor people, yuri boyko, for example, a non-poor person, right? he also always supports this church, and because of that it had a double meaning for them, on the one hand on the one hand, this is a retribution to the russians for being able to do business with them, and on the other hand, this group supported them in the elections, and many people continue to count on such support, although according to all sociological surveys, this support will definitely not add anything to them now, but they think that some regions can add, where it can add, this week the former prime minister of great britain, boris johnson.

wrote in a column for the daily mail that among the points of a possible peace plan that russia and ukraine could implement could be a point regarding curtseys. for people who speak russian on the territory of ukraine, why do you think a friend, a great friend of ukraine, a true friend of ukraine, boris johnson is talking about this, why are these curtseys towards putin and what are they threatening for ukraine? well, look, i think that actually johnson wants to do something useful, he wants to reach trump, he wants to convince trump that if, god forbid , the defeat of ukraine happens, which of course i do not believe, then it will mean defeat of the united states, and i think. that johnson is doing everything to make trump understand this, and a lot of what johnson said at first glance sounds harsh and shocked me, but when i re-read his article in the daily mail, i saw that he nowhere does he say that we should give up the borders of 1991, that is, he says about a certain suspension at

the borders, about the borders, but he still continues to insist on the territorial integrity of ukraine, he himself called this war genocidal, including and on the russification of ukraine, but when he voices... certain things he also speaks theses with the ukrainian authorities. i think that the ukrainian language is what the ukrainian government is ready to give up first of all. and there is a problem here. i think that this is not so much his position as the position of his interlocutors in ukraine, because he consults with everyone before voicing his opinions. and here , our position and that of our government should be clearer. another topic that came up quite unexpectedly is the topic of the volyn tragedy and the volyn issue, as it is... polish defense minister władysław says in poland kamysh kosiniak said that ukraine's accession to the eu depends on the resolution of historical issues with poland, polsat news reports that he said: in his opinion, real politics should issue an ultimatum. without a solution

to the volyn issue, there will be no accession of ukraine to the european union, the publication "slova politika" quotes. well, that is, he is talking about the fact that until the ukrainians apologize for volyn, until now. apologized for volyn, well, i wanted to ask how many ukrainians have vybyshenko kneeling in front of the monument to the victims of volyn tragedy, during the days of the volyn tragedy, zelensky prayed together with duda, our presidents have already apologized to each other and only to the poles for this, and anyway, i think that this statement is more for domestic political use, because what should we do , well, in addition, it must be understood that the volyn tragedy was a conflict between ee... citizens of the polish state, and i am not saying this, this is a quote from the famous polish politician pawel kowal, who said quite rightly that there were poles of polish origin and poles of ukrainian origin, because at that time they were citizens of poland, there was a conflict between them, both of them died, this is a tragedy, but

who can bear the responsibility for this, either the polish state, because they were citizens of the polish state, or the german state, which at that time occupied these territories in accordance with the norms of international law, what does ukraine have to do with it? ukraine can honor the victims of this tragedy and condemn any crimes against the civilian population from all sides, both from our side, because they were there, and from the polish side, because they were also there, and that is why this formula, which ivan paul ii said, and then all our presidents, that i forgive, i ask for forgiveness, this formula is absolutely effective for this. we should forget about the past altogether. it is obvious that we, as history, should remember him. and our historians must be restored to the form of historians, by the way, i am very pleased that we have now returned from poland with a ukrainian-polish cooperation group, first of all, in most cases no one mentioned these issues, young polish politicians, on the contrary, say that you, why we we talk about the past, we need

to talk about the future, we support you, and we really do grateful to every pole who has done a great deal to support ukraine, the way they accept ukrainians, the way they help them, it is worthy of respect, sincere respect, both young poles and polish politicians... that's how they look at it, they understand that together we should be the greatest allies in the european union, my colleague volodymyr yatrovych, who once headed the institute of national memory, was with me in this group, and he says exactly the same thing, that we must look to the future. in the past, we had such difficulties pages in the history of two peoples, as well as beautiful pages, which for some reason we do not talk about, as soon as we start talking about difficult pages and start fanning them, who wins, the aggressor country wins, the russian federation, which destroys either... poland or ukraine . and most polish politicians understand this. we have outstanding issues. for example, at one time we suspended the exhumation of poles who died on the territory of ukraine. and i think that, i personally don't think that's right. but the poles destroyed the memorial

tablet in the monastery village where the soldiers died upa, which fought with the nkvd. and this table was there in accordance with polish legislation. she. approved, fully complied with all norms of polish legislation. it was destroyed by vandals, and it has not yet been restored. and there was an agreement between president duda and president zelensky that the poles will restore this table and we will unblock the exhumation, i think. it can be done absolutely calmly from all pragmatic and practical practical and human points of view, and i am convinced that it must be done and we will do everything for it, and volodymyr vetrowicz met there with a very famous polish historian, with whom they often have debates, and as zhatyka now heads the military historical commission under the ministry of defense and is responsible for these issues, and they found an understanding on this and are developing a road map plan in which a way to avoid all of this, so i think that we... will come to an agreement with the poles here, but that does not mean at all that the poles will not use it in their domestic political

issues, which is unfortunately happening these days. well, let's hope that these issues, which are being articulated now, will not prevent ukraine from joining the european union, and poland will not put this issue in the way of ukraine, we do not know what kind of government will be in poland, in six months there will be the presidency of poland in the eu. our task is to settle all disputed issues with the poles, and they and we are equally interested in this. thank you, mr. mykola, for the conversation, it was mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy. of ukraine. friends, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel. and now we will look at a small one the plot before the inclusion of our military expert oleksandr kovalenko. we are talking about unmanned aerial vehicles from the military. demand for these devices is growing. and making dangerous gifts for the russian occupiers helps tyl. courses on how to assemble a drone were opened in poltava. anna morozova saw how the classes were going. poltavka ksenia has an engineering degree and last worked with

a drinker 10 years ago, now she came to a training on how to assemble a drone and for the first time in a long time she remembers how to work with equipment and boards. we try something on the test boards solder the wires, for example, the power wire, and remember all the nuances of the work. we practice soldering carefully, as if there is nothing difficult here at all, if you just listen to the theory. to collect dangerous gifts for the russian occupiers, that is why a basic course on making bepla was launched for civilians in poltava. two dozen people came to the second class. in the end, i soldered, perhaps quite qualitatively, because after all, you need to have skills and experience in this regard, and. well, the lead is soldered and holds, there

they used different, well, if only techniques, yes there with with this plus, then with tin, try to solder the power contacts, try to solder these small contacts, by the way, this is the elrs module 915 mg that we burned, the five-hour lesson consists of two parts: first, they get acquainted with the list of spare parts, working tools. and stages of work, the practical part is built on working with wires, contacts and a soldering iron. bohdan admits that the terms and wording are difficult for him, but it was important for him to see the process of manufacturing drones. i at all i don't understand this, drones are interesting to me, but more interesting for general development. i understand that there are a lot of areas that are important, a lot of people in these areas will buy us time so that we can do all this here, and then go somewhere further on bicycles, then... a cafe to work, and i just want out of respect to understand what people do, how

they do it, at least on some basic surface level. instructor oleksandr compares assembling a drone with jewelry work, because concentration and caution are important here, so for listeners it is an opportunity to test their strength and skills. they come to discover some new questions for themselves, to work with some technique that they have not encountered before, they also come and have the skills to understand them, it is not theirs to understand... should we continue to develop in this direction, buy some equipment, build drones, or do something else. to get to the training, you can donate to the civilian preparedness center, if necessary or requested, the lessons on collecting drones can be deepened. anna morozova, bohdan proskurov from poltava for the espresso tv channel. friends, i remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms. for those who are watching us now on these platforms, now live, take

part in our poll, today we ask you this, do you think that the russian secret services are behind the murder of farion? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have your own opinion, please leave it in the comments under this video, if you are watching us on tv, take your smart phone or phone and vote for the numbers, if you think that the russian special services are behind the murder of iryna farion 0.800 211 no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote, and we will be in touch later oleksandr kovalen. military and political columnist of the information resistance group. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations. so, let's start with the fact that for the second night in a row, the russian federation attacked the izmail district of odesa with drones, and these drones were flying further to the border with romania, even, as

those who live on the other side of the border say, in romanian. settlements or villages, they say that these drones are falling on that side of the border, nato does not yet see what they say is a deliberate attack on the alliance in the fall of shahed in romania, according to reuters, although nato has no information that indicates to some deliberate attack by russia on the territory of an ally, these actions are irresponsible and potentially dangerous, - said the representative of the alliance. why, mr. alexander, are our... western allies so shunned answers to simple questions, if these are russian drones, they fly into the territory of a country that is a member of the north atlantic alliance, why does the alliance constantly say: well , they flew there by accident, that it is not an attack on a country that is a member of nato, what should happen in order for nato

to say: listen, it's not possible, russia shouldn't behave like that, and we won't allow their missiles, their... drones to fly into the territory of nato member countries. well , i think that even if the komikaze drone hits some object on the territory of romania, they will still make excuses that it was unintentional. the fact is that the russian federation is not the first to use the airspace of other countries to carry out strikes on the territory of ukraine. and romania is also not the first case. in 2023, when... the strikes on reni and ishmael took place at the very time of the so-called grain terror that russia staged, it also used romanian airspace to reach the area and ishmael more safely. i will also remind you that in 2022 and not only in

in the 22nd and 23rd years, the krelett caliber missiles flew through the airspace of moldova in order to more safely reach central, western and northern ukraine, although moldova is not a nato country, and in principle it does not have air defense, which should have effectively countered the calibers, but still, this is also an example of how someone else's airspace was used. belarus is also used even by drones and kamikaze, lately they have been flying into the airspace of belarus in order to shorten the flight distance. to kyiv region and chernihiv oblast and poland, let's remember poland, how they found an x-55 missile in a forest on the territory of poland, which flew there and even the poles did not know that it had violated their airspace. so, in fact, russia constantly violates the airspace for what? in order for its means of defeat to reach

the target with a lower probability of being hit by our anti-aircraft means, as well as. to shorten the distance, this is a direct blow to the nato members of the north atlantic alliance, that's the point , that's the point, that's the point, that all the actions of the north atlantic alliance, they are connected with a bureaucratized and archaic fifth article of collective security, and unfortunately, in this case, they really will not do anything to stop, for example, either russia or... to stop the very process of the flight of such objects through their airspace , but it turns out that in this case, according to putin's logic, the north atlantic alliance is playing the role of patient, because the russians are testing, trying out different options for possible attacks, today a drone just flew by or it

accidentally flew by, next time a non-accidental k-55 missile will fly by . on the territory of the polish state, that is, is there a limit where nato will say, listen, well, let's finish with this, because this way we will also wait for russian fighter jets in our skies, there may be a limit, this is a targeted strike on the territory of one of the nato countries, but even then, the fifth article of collective security will not be involved, maybe... the fourth one will be involved, the strengthening of countermeasures protection along the border of nato countries, and constantly increased patrolling and indeed shooting down. for those objects that fall into the airspace of one of the alliance countries, but let's talk about something more essential, even in this case it is not proved,

because in principle the fifth article of collective security, it will work exactly when, for example, the russian military appears on the territory of estonia, as an option or finland, in this case yes, indeed, and again, not quickly, they will all gather and be among themselves... to decide who will help either estonia or finland and in what number of troops, that is , the process itself is also bureaucratized there, and that is why we are witnessing that , that nato, in principle, it is large, indeed, a rather powerful military-political alliance, but at the same time this alliance is a hostage to its archaisms, which needed reforming a long time ago. but nato, like everything that was created a long time ago and is already outdated, is afraid of reforms. let's talk,

mr. oleksandr, about the situation at the front. the commander of the national guard, brigadier general oleksandr pivnenko, says that soon the russian troops will be forced to go on the defensive in several directions, i will quote, mr. general, the offensive capabilities of the enemy unlimited and how many losses they will suffer, i think, another month and a half and they will not be able to conduct active assaults at once in many directions and will be on the defensive in any case, during this time we need to form our units, prepare, well, actually, that according to what pivnenko said six months ago, general zaluzhnyi said, even more so, in the fall of 23, that one way or another, well, such a situation could develop at the front, as you... are now characterizing what is happening at the front , east and south? really now the russians are putting as much pressure as possible, they have

the impression that they are going to a-bank, and this can be understood in principle, it can really be called a kind of scam, because according to the information that appears now among, well , even monitoring resources, which.. . are watching the losses of the russian occupiers, their compensation for losses and the production of weapons, the restoration of russia's armaments. the year 2024 is quite critical in terms of the potential for restoration of losses in the war zone, and russia is approaching a critical moment when its compensation for losses monthly will be lower than these losses will be every month. i.e. banal, if russia loses 300 tanks in a month, then in the long run it will be able to restore 250, 240 there, i.e. it will constantly be minus this

category, the same with vbm and with other means, so russia is thinking, as long as it still has has this resource, as long as it has this window of opportunity to seize the territory of ukraine as much as possible in order to then catalyze all its possible tools, force ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table and impose peace on it on its own terms, that's why i call it a game of wabank, and the fact that it will not have this constant potential, yes, it is true, depletion in one direction or another will occur, although some directions will remain quite active, first of all , this is pokrovsky, turecki, as well as kramatorsky, and this week they came out... another such a big, i would say, programmatic interview with the head of the armed forces of ukraine oleksandr syrskyi in the guardian, this is the second interview in the last six months, it is meaningful, it is saturated with

various answers that give a vision of what how the situation in ukraine will develop further, and syrsky says that ukraine will do everything possible to reach the internationally recognized borders of 1991, and the plan to de-occupy crimea. the ukrainian military leadership also has, to quote mr. asyrskyi, this is realistic, of course, this is a big military secret, we will do everything possible to reach the internationally recognized borders of 1991, we must win to free our citizens who are in the occupied territories who suffer in addition, syrskyi said that the ukrainian military, thanks to the kamikat drones , they hit about 200 objects of critical infrastructure in the territory at a long range. according to him, russia intends to increase the number of occupiers in ukraine to 690,000 by the end of the year. how are you, mr. oleksandr? to

treat these statements of general syrsky, because in the plans announced by politicians, in particular the former prime minister of great britain boris johnson, we are talking about borders, not borders, about borders that will return to the borders in peace negotiations with russia , which were state on february 24, 2022, that is, in this case, we are still talking about the fact that syrsky... now has more ambitious goals, are these goals realistically achievable? that 's that's the most interesting thing is, in the context of what other third parties do you look at these statements, because you mentioned boris johnson, yes, but when exactly did this information come out about the smaller ones before the start of the full-scale invasion on the 24th of february '22

, it came out in context meetings of boris johnson with donald trump, as a candidate for the presidency of the united states, and the discussion of the peace plan. regarding donald's peace plan trump, we must remember what he said before this meeting, and i will quote it. he said the following: i have a peace plan, i will present it to ukraine and i will present it to russia. if ukraine refuses this peace plan, then ukraine will lose. if russia refuses, then russia will lose. let's imagine this situation: donald trump, let's just imagine, he wins the us presidential elections, becomes the next us president and presents this peace plan. okay, well, ukraine can agree to it, why not, as an option the withdrawal of russian troops from all the territories they captured after february 24

, 2022. and the return to the status quo as of february 23, 2022 to those limits, and here the question arises: will russia agree to this? and this is the most interesting thing, russia, she will refuse. so, if russia abandons donald trump's peace plan, then who loses? how exactly russia will lose in this case, well, it will depend exclusively on the actions of the us president. and this is only in this case, but on the other hand, we really can now to state that no official statement, no official position demonstrates that we are abandoning our main goal, namely the exit to the borders of 1991, and if we simply do not speak with slogans or statements, namely the moment with the return of the temporarily occupied peninsula crimea, it looks

up to... quite realistic, i will even say that, i will say even more, and return the temporarily occupied crimea peninsula, possibly to ukraine, much sooner than donetsk and luhansk regions. crimea will return to ukraine quite possibly sooner than donetsk and luhansk region. you mean, crimea will be a peninsula, will be turned into an island and this will simplify this task. he is already transforming. of course, look, another statement was made this week by the commander-in-chief of the british army , antony radakin, during a speech at a conference of the royal joint institute for defense studies in london, he predicted what russia could do in the next 5 years. he says that russia has lost 550,000 people in ukraine, according to our estimates, says antoni radakin. to putin

it will take 5 years to restore the russian army to the level it was in february 22, and another 5 years after that to correct the weaknesses that the war revealed. according to your estimates, will putin have these 5 years to restore the russian army, or will our western partners understand that the restoration and strengthening of the russian army threatens not only ukraine. and western europe, i think it won't happen, i think it won't happen, and here's the reason: firstly, russia intends, at least until the end of 2024, conduct sufficiently intensive combat operations, not in all directions, these will be large-scale offensive operations, of course, but nevertheless, it will consume resources, primarily in terms of equipment.