and antonenka and dugar, antonenka, dugar, and all that fell apart, but the people there spent a lot of time in prisons, to a large extent their lives were ruined, and apparently they have nothing to do with it, and that's why i'm very careful about it i bet, we'll see what the result will be, if this young man is real, and if he is, what was his motive, but it's very important to find out, because it's obvious that, well... a serious threat, and such crimes, they shake the country as well, well, first of all, a crime, any crime is not a crime, but a political one murder and political violence can have completely different consequences for the entire country, so of course i really want all this to be investigated and put an end to it. well, mr. oleksiy, obviously we need to talk not only about ascertaining the facts of how a person is killed in the center of lviv, but also about how our special services work to

prevent this from happening, meaning the security service of ukraine and the ministry of internal affairs , because we see only the post, well, post-observation of what happened, but we do not hear answers, and why did this happen in the center of lviv? well, you are right, although i want to, well, i have my own experience, the fact is that russia twice ordered my murder, once kidnapped. there was torture, and all these crimes were warned by the security service of ukraine, and i can say that this is russia, because the last thing is that they wanted to kidnap me there, burn out my eyes, all this, so the customer was a deputy, on that moment, the head of the faction of the opposition bloc, well , that is, everything is clear, but further after that he was detained, russia exchanged him for ukrainian prisoners of war, thus confirming who was actually behind it. therefore, the fact that i am talking to you now is,

in principle, a testament to the professionalism of the ukrainian security service, and i want to thank the employees of the security service of ukraine, who have already saved my life at least twice, because of that, but of course, unfortunately, there is no such special service in the world, which could prevent all crimes, what can we say when we saw with you recently the attempt on the candidate for the presidency of the united states and the expedition. the usa, where is it? it's just a miracle that he stayed alive, it's obvious that there is no such special service that can warn of everything, ukrainian special services are developing and in principle warned of many things, unfortunately, in the situation with iryna farion, they could not do this, in your opinion , the russians will continue to bet on the division of ukrainian society, on the destabilization of ukrainian society, on the demoralization of ukrainian society, well, in the end, this is murder. can

be qualified as a terrorist act, because it is an act that aims not only, let's say yes, to destroy a person, and to sow fear and despair in ukrainian society, it is quite possible, although again, we still do not know whether it was really ordered by the russian special services, of course, the russian special services are capable of everything, and i am here that well , i don't doubt their ability, but did this specific crime happen precisely because of them and... they disorganized it, i'm not sure, i don't really understand the motive right now, why they should have done it, and that's why i don't know yet i'm not ready to say, but that russia will do everything to split ukrainian society in order to sow fear, despair, that is exactly what terrorism is, terror is fear, well that is to sow fear, this is the definition of terror, then of course russia sows this terror every day in ukraine with shaheeds, rockets, but also murder. i also want

to ask you, as the president of the pare committee on migration and refugees, because this is actually the topic of ukrainians who are abroad and who have fled to europe, and in particular , the minister of foreign affairs of poland, radisław sikorskyi in an interview rmf 244 radio said that in europe it is possible to create such conditions of stay for ukrainian men that... will force them to return to ukraine and stand up for its protection. let's listen to what sikorsky said. this is a debate we are having in the european union, because if we introduced a national solution, these people would move to countries where they can avoid military service. it is possible to create such conditions for the stay of ukrainians in the eu, which will stimulate them to fulfill their duty to protect the homeland. i understand, mr. oleksiy,

so far, poland is talking about it, germany is categorically, so far against it, which other countries are considering such an option? look, we... from time to time such statements are made by different politicians in different countries, but frankly speaking, as a person who understands the system, well, first of all, legally they cannot express ukrainians, it is simply impossible, and therefore it is just empty talk and empty words, when he said about the conditions, to create such conditions so that they would do it voluntarily, that is another story, but what kind of conditions, that is, roughly speaking, to take away any help, yes, this is certainly something they can do, but will it really lead to the fact that these people will go to ukraine, well, it is far, it is far from a fact, and we do not know the answer to this question, so i

would i didn't really expect it, if someone in ukraine calculates in this way, it means that there will be some mobilization potential, well, there are people who can be mobilized, i'll be honest, i strongly doubt that it can work in this way , i don't understand how these, well, let's be it, are there anyway, are there abroad in there are ukrainian men of mobilization age in europe, they are definitely there, that is a fact, but do they make up a majority there, well , no, it is still not true, and the majority are women, children, the elderly, and men who legal... they are there, because not every man is 20 there for eight years and in ukraine is subject to mobilization, and there is the issue of health, maybe he is a father of many children, maybe he looks disabled, and so on and so forth, so i doubt it also, that it will really lead to something, and so that, well, well, that is, i am up to it

i doubt it, i understand why they talk about it, and i understand as a person, well, we are in ukraine, and we don't... it's nice to see, and to know that there are people who crossed the yew there, yes, illegally left ukraine in order to simply leave, left their homeland, well , but the realism of the fact that they will somehow create such conditions that they will return, to be honest, i seriously doubt it. mr. oleksiy, with the adoption of the law or amendments to the law on mobilization, actually more or less everything is clear, the system has started to work. updated according to their data, in general, starting from may 18, there are more than 4 million citizens of ukraine who are conscripted, but the issue that did not make it to these amendments, to the law on amendments to the current legislation,

is the issue of demobilization. chairman of the verkhovna rada ruslan stefanchuk, on the air of the national telethon, hinted to the only news that the rada will not consider the issue of demobilization. let's hear what he said. i do not know of a country that carried out demobilization during the war. rather, i apologize, i know such a country. it ukrainian people's republic of 1919. it was then that the minister of defense mykola povsh submitted a bill on demobilization to the central council. this bill was then voted by the central council. please, i need to tell you what happened next. in 1919, so for me it was very important that the current verkhovna rada not repeat the mistakes of the central rada. how, mr. oleksiyu, the verkhovna rada may not repeat the mistakes of the central rada, but still,

give hope to those who are now fighting at the front, for the third year, that demobilization will still happen. i categorically disagree with stefanchuk. well, first of all, this is, you know, a thesis, i don't know one. to be honest, i do not know a country at war in which people's deputies take bribes, and the next day they come to the verkhovna rada again and sit in a warring country, rob a warring country, and then feel great and continue to sit in the parliament , but i don’t know such a country, and what, unfortunately, except ukraine, because we already have a whole mfi sizo there , one of the representatives, by the way, the servants of the people sit in the first place, as for whether it is possible be demobilization during the war, huh? what can it not be? and what can it not be? and why us, why should the whole war be dragged out on the shoulders of these same people? well , it simply won't work out, well, it's unrealistic. these people are living people, they cannot fight indefinitely, there must be a fixed term

of service. i have been standing for this for a year and a half, i fought for this during the mobilization bill consideration, and i am outraged that it has not been done so far, no term of service has been... established, it is very unfair to to those who are fighting today and in relation to their families, and by the way, this is one of the reasons for which, again, i am not excusing anyone, but... just now they were talking about those who swim across the sea, so one the reasons for that are that we do not have terms of service, they do not motivate people to go to the army, when there is entry into the army, but there is no exit, or rather, there is an exit, but god forbid those who are killed or seriously wounded, so yes it can't be, so wrong, so dishonest, i'm not for me it 's a sore subject, and by the way, you know it, and in my opinion, it's very not... fair the attitude towards the military, this is the attitude that if we give new military service, everyone will leave,

many, maybe some will leave and return, and many will not leave the service, but ukrainians are cossacks, they are not serfs, what conscription is very, very much pressure on the people there at the front, i know that they don't know their prospects, it's not fair, it's wrong, will you insist, as the subject of the legislative initiative, that ... such a law is needed and such corrections are needed , of course, yes, i talk about it on everyone session of the verkhovna rada, actually the first law on the establishment of terms of service was mine, i introduced it back in march of last year, and today there are several bills of mine in the verkhovna rada, on this topic, unfortunately, they are not considered, and i would like to remind you that upon adoption of the mobilization bill, they removed this amendment, 227, it seems, there were votes, that is , they barely had enough votes for the servant of the people. to, therefore, push through and not set service terms, then we were very close to the fact that these service terms

did appear, well, unfortunately, it is not happened, will i continue to raise this topic, i will definitely, but what will be the result, unfortunately, i do not have a majority in the parliament. today, mr. oleksiy, the olympic games are starting in france, despite russia's war against ukraine, the russians there do not participate as a country in these olympic games. games, but there is no reconciliation, which usually precedes the start of the olympic games, but even during the olympic games, moscow ignores the calls of the olympic committee, they do not care whether the world currently assesses the prospects for deployment adequately in the context of the olympic games russia's hostilities not only in ukraine, but also in europe? well, in general, this is a big question regardless of... the games, the olympic games will start today, by the way, i wish success to the ukrainian athletes who take

part there, it is important, it will be moral for ukrainians, to see the ukrainian flag, hear the ukrainian national anthem there on the podiums and among the winners, it is important, but the olympic games will begin and the olympic games will end, the question in general is what is the strategy of the free world today, and with this there is a problem, strategies, a clear strategy is not visible, while the strategy looks like this, to... help ukraine not to fall, but not so that ukraine wins outright, because all the time this support is conditioned by some conditions, and you can't strike on russian territory, well, well, mysterious things, well, again this night, it seems yes, well, there was another raid of these shaheds on the native odesa and they were killed on the danube territory, and shaheds fell again on the territory of romania, and here is the question, well, that is, why? neither poland nor romania shoot down russian missiles and drones, why they did not establish, no

have strengthened their air defense group on the border, and they do not shoot down russian drones and missiles when they fall into the impact zone, and in the airspace of ukraine, ukraine fully agrees to this, it is legally possible, ukraine asks for it, they ensure their own security, even danger ukraine, their own security, but even this they are afraid to do, which means some kind of ghostly escalation. and they refuse us this, although it would help ukraine a lot if the western and southwestern parts of ukraine were covered, respectively, from poland and romania, well, they don't do this, and there is a huge question, that is, what is the strategy of the free world in this war, because ukraine cannot bleed endlessly. ex-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhnyi, who is now the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador. of ukraine in great britain, he started this week as a political figure, in fact, his speech was

at a high-level meeting where there were ex-officers of the british army, experts, and he spoke, warned and is warning the world about the possibility of the third world war war, how do you now perceive this political solo of an already industrious man, is it not a solo after all, it is a team after all. of the president, and one day the president was in london, advocated for alkaline in parallel, and the text of the interview with oleksandr syrskyi, the current commander-in-chief of forces of ukraine, are the arguments that, well, our military-political leadership conveys to our western partners, sufficient? well, i think that it is still correct to say the start of zaluzhny's diplomatic career, because it would be normal for ambassadors to speak and even absolutely with political statements, after all

, a political career is a little different, does the zaluzhny have political... ambitions, we do not know the answer to this question, and i am not ready to answer it, of course, he was interested the speech, of course, there is a lot of interest in the diligent, and it is very important that he uses his recognition, authority, military, and of course, this is his strong point, he is not a professional diplomat, he is, well, for now, he is just getting started to become, he is a professional military man, and to him interest from this point of view, and it's very good that he uses it in general to remind the world of all those risks, i agree with him that i think that we are not at the threshold, i think that we are already world war 3, look at the middle east, look at europe, look at the uh red sea, look at latin

america and look god forbid they kill trump. it doesn't matter who there supports or doesn't support, these are the affairs of the americans, but i'm afraid that a civil war could start in america, or some civil conflict, this is this is a scenario that cannot be ruled out, would it not be part of the world's great flame, which, therefore, i think that the world war is actually already underway, it's just a matter of ukraine and ukrainians giving the world a chance, that you know how poland was not able to give back then in 1939, well, it was attacked from two sides, unlike ukraine, thank god, and almost no one helped them at all, they help ukraine, we were attacked from only one side, but we gave chance for the world, poland could not stop hitler then, and ukraine stopped putin, but what happens next, and we just talked about it, and the question

of political will and power on the part of the western world, well, it is not clear enough to take advantage of this historical chance that ukraine has. gave the world to stop the third world war in the bud, unfortunately, it has not been stopped, and the risk of its full-scale deployment, in my opinion, is growing every day. thank you, mr. oleksiy, for the conversation, thank you. it was oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook. after a short story, volodymyr ogrysko, diplomat, politician, former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, will come to our studio. and we will talk about what happened in the world during the last week, and in general not only in ukraine, in the united states of america, wait for the short story, but for now, please watch the story about how the third year is looking for the son of anzhel nepochatov from kropyvnytskyi , her son went

missing during the hostilities in the kharkiv region, creativity helps a woman to keep going, painting gives her a resource to live. and hope history to a mother who, unfortunately, lost a son, a son who went missing, our journalists will tell, the story of this picture, well , unfortunately, is not as good as we would like, it was written at the moment when our city was falling under the rechist ... shelling and sat, worked, and then there were such explosions. angela nepochatova worked in trade all her life. she picked up a brush only two years ago. this is therapy for me personally. distracts from bad thoughts. first of all, well, you are focused on the work itself,

i love nature, i love flowers. well, of course, further desire to learn to draw. portraits of people, animals. despite the bright colors on the canvases, ms. angela's life had an extremely difficult period. her only son went missing, at that time he was 20. my son went to serve before the full-scale invasion, september 21 , and met the war already interrupting the rotation in donetsk region. at the end of march 22nd. that year, the boys were in kharkiv oblast, where he also disappeared from me, the third year of searching, waiting, and worries is already underway. at some point, the woman turned to a psychologist, together they found a tool that helps her hold on. we have been working for a month, andriy asks me,

what do you want most of all now? do i say draw? i say, well, you told me that you draw, let's try, and gradually, gradually, well, at first there were children's drawings, and i tried gouache and watercolors, then it became. well, i decided to try acrylic. a person lives in a state of uncertainty, he does not know how it will end, and we always hope to the last that everything will be resolved as it should be. accordingly, in the hope we form certain attitudes about what you have to wait, you have to be in good shape, you have to support yourself for this, because the loved one who will return. must see that he was expected here and that it was all for his sake. currently, kropyvnychanka has already created a series of paintings, dedicated to the ukrainian

army. this picture is my favorite and dearest because i painted it on my child's birthday, when he turned 22. he was born to me in the winter, when there was very, very heavy snow, he loves. snow. angela nepochatova does not lose hope for son's return she believes that one day he will definitely see these canvases. from kropyvnytskyi for the espresso tv channel. friends, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. throughout our broadcast, we conduct polls. today we are asking you about whether you think the third world war is inevitable. formed this question. actually not the team of the espresso tv channel, but the former head of the armed forces of ukraine, who spoke in london and spoke about the prospects of deployment of the russian war already in europe, and not only in

europe, but also in the whole world. so we 're doing a poll, you either agree with it or you don't, if you vote on youtube it's pretty simple, yes, no, or your own opinion, please comment below this video if you're watching us on tv, please take your smartphone or phone and vote 08... 211 381 if you think the third world war is inevitable and 0800-211-382 if you think that the third world war will not happen, all calls to these numbers are free of charge, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce our dear guest, this is volodymyr hrysko, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of the seventh, 2007-2009, head of the russian research center, mr. volodymyr, i welcome you, thank you , how are you today, i warmly congratulate you, mr. serhiy, thank you for the invitation, it is always a pleasure to be in your studio and talk about current topics, if you allow me, i will immediately respond

to your question, it is possible, i do not want to influence the opinion of our viewers at all , but to me it seems that in fact the war is already going on, and it has been going on for a long time, and we just have to finally understand that it can take different forms, and... it has been going on for years and years, because russia declared war on the west through putin's mouth back in 2007 year, conferences, absolutely, that's why, that's why it's simple, well, we're used to it, the war is when the hot phase has already come together, when they're already shooting, when they're already killing and so on, in fact, this war has been going on since 2007, so we just are witnesses of various forms of this war, and it would be very important that our western partners. finally understood that these are not toys, that these are not theoretical conversations, but that we must get involved and defeat the enemy together with ukraine, then we will really understand where we

are and what we need to do, this week one of your successors, minister of foreign affairs dmytro koleba visited beijing, he had talks with the minister of foreign affairs of china wang ye, and this was the first visit since 2012 by the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, in 2013 we know that on credit... viktor yanukovych flew there, it was just on the eve of euromaidan, and here we are based on the results of this visit, we are trying to understand, in fact, what the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine was talking about there, and because the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine provides one information to the ministry of foreign affairs of china , a little different, what dmytro kuleba himself said after his visit to the celestial empire, let's listen, i... spoke about the importance of a just peace, not just any peace, and my chinese colleague himself added that a just and

long-lasting one is very important, because... usually it is we who constantly say that the peace must be permanent, that is, long-lasting and fair. and this is important, today we received a clear signal that china is not looking for any temporary solutions, temporary ceasefires, it is working on a permanent strategic solution to the problem of the war unleashed by russia against ukraine. dmytro kuleba says the right words, but we know china's position, it was voiced on the first anniversary of the great. war on february 24 , 2023, where it was rather not china's peace plan, it was china's vision of the situation in ukraine, they said, territorial integrity, sovereignty of ukraine, but the two sides have to agree, they have to sit down at the negotiating table, well, it seems that in this story there is no aggressor and no victim, but two sides are in conflict, what could a new kuleba hear? well, of course, you should contact

mr. dmytro and ask him passionately what was there after all, apart from correct diplomatic formulas, you know, it seems to me that the chinese continue to play cat and mouse with us, and say that , which we would be happy to hear, but do things that contradict their own words, well, look, they seem to be in favor of ... right says the minister for a just peace, well , my lord, what are the problems, well then, let's make sure that this just peace comes as quickly as possible, what needs to be done for this, well, stop supplying russia with the equipment it uses in the war against ukraine, well, does one have to be an academic to come to such a banal conclusion, no, shouldn’t one stop sponsoring

the north korean regime... through which moscow now gets additional opportunities to reach out to russia and at least provide for it outdated, but still some kind of weaponry, it is also necessary to be an academician to understand that this should not be done and so on, that is , you understand, too many things that do not coincide with what the official beijing says, well, yes, he is now something said, well , the practical step is taking place, therefore, to be honest, i don't really believe that we should... well, you know, take assurances on faith, because assurances are assurances, and practice is practice, well , we have it, let's say yes, there is a kind of double diplomacy now, because on the one hand we are we do not conduct any negotiations and conversations with belarus, which is putin's ally in the russian-ukrainian war, and we do not conduct any negotiations with other countries, which are part of the so-called...

axis of evil, but we conduct a conversation with by the chinese, and this is constantly during these two years, 2.5 years of the great war, such a rather cautious attitude of the ukrainian side towards ukrainian-chinese relations, although there was no ambassador there for a very long time, and this is also a question, and why do we single out china as, well as our strategic partner, although he definitely the same strategic partner as china is for russia, as belarus is for russia? well, you see, all the same, the weight of belarus, north korea and china, these concepts are disproportionate, that is, what is a father with his limited capabilities, what is, even more so, a north korean dictator who sits on the support of beijing, that is these are political and economic dwarfs, after all, china is an

economic monster. a monster that is now gaining weight in military terms, so it is clear here, but can the same ambassador in china today do something change? well, believe me, i think not, and if, well, let's face it, whoever they send there now, whether they would replace him with someone else, if the chinese have the ideological attitude that we help russia leadership then he would dance hopaka there every day and sing chinese songs, nothing would come of it, because it determines the position of the state, another matter is that it is really beneficial for us to have economic relations with china, he takes everything that ukraine can give , and this is also an important point, but all this must, well, i think, be furnished with certain conditions, if we recognize

that china... is a single territory.