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some, maybe even accompanying conversations, we understand that this fits into the general process, this is how the world agreed in hearing trump and the corresponding changes, trump’s plus-minus concept is clear, so he wants to force in one way or another , if not russia, then ukraine, he will also need a result. roman petrovich, how do you rate it now? the current, well, i won't say historical, but... an extremely important negotiating moment. the first thing to pay attention to in the story surrounding president kuleba's trip to guangzhou is the place itself, the form, and the content, because here only from the fragments of the first, second and third one can understand that no more than 10 got into the information field, well, a maximum of 15% of what happened there. well, you don't have to... be too

prepared there to understand that even for the sake of a three-hour conversation with the minister, you don't have to go to gondjova. let's first see what it is city? this is a city where diplomats and officials of both the united states of america and great britain are present at one of the highest levels. first, i don't mean first by accident. this indicates that if there was... a bilateral meeting, it took place in beijing. this means that meetings take place far beyond the boundaries of bilateral dialogue. now let's move on to what can be done for three days, three days, because, well, you can hold, let's say, three meetings and then come back, and what can you count on? well, firstly, if the calculation was for a sweet candy and the result, then no... mr. kuleba would go there, but

the head of the yarmak office would go there, and everyone is writing and talking about it now, and it is true, that is, it is technological work that is being done there . now, what is the subject of this work, so why do you need three days and such a multi-echeloned, multi-layered journey? let's pay attention to what has been happening in the last two weeks in order to realize how much it has affected ukrainian-chinese, ukrainian-american, ukrainian-british, ukrainian-european relations, because here it is necessary look for an answer. and yes, the first thing, you remember, and we all remember, orban's trip, moscow, beijing, washington, kyiv, moscow, beijing, washington, and as a result, the decision of the ukrainian government to stop the transit of, ah, oil . friendship oil pipeline, because as it turned out,

orbán did not just drive around, he renewed contracts related to the supply to russia of components and components of missile and space weapons, which hungary and the company hungary purchased from the netherlands, france, germany and great britain, and through third parties other companies, through china, it was sent to... russia, the reaction of the ukrainian government to these actions of orban was a trap, just stop the oil pipeline friendship. second, the information that president biden delegated the authority to introduce and control sanctions against china, in matters related to russian aggression against ukraine, to the ministry of finance, etc. this is very interesting

information, because it says that these issues are transferred to the technological level, that is, they are monitored 24 hours a day. this is the second thing, and it is clear what caused it with the previous information that i said and the conversations that were held during the nato summit in washington, where the same orbán showed himself quite strangely, strangely, i will say so, for the nato environment. the third thing that should not be overlooked is the information provided by the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine. regarding the trip, minister kuleba was returned to china in moscow. pay attention, there the emphasis is made, cut out, copied the phrase that ukraine is already ready to sit down at the negotiating table tomorrow. and one more important one

thing: if china didn't behave, but after getting caught in the eyes of the scum, it has an extreme need to maintain relations with ukraine, because it's... 9 million tons of grain, because it's things related to titanium, supplies, titanium sponges, it's things that are related to rare earth metals, that is, it is a whole range of technologies that relate to bilateral relations itself, so it is even visible from the rhetoric and the tone of the rhetoric between kyiv and beijing, but as we ... see, the meeting is taking place in guangzhou, i mentioned again that this is a free economic zone, it is the capital of china's relations with the whole world, and when, as we remember, the meetings took place

with secretary blinken, there helen, they did not take place in beijing, they took place in gongzhou, this is very important to understand, and so what could have happened with the city... of negotiations, of course, the issue of bilateral relations, of course, a topic related to china's initiatives, but in this case, the topics related to the so-called negotiation process, i would put not second, not third, even fourth , if it was about it , then it was about, except simply fundamental things, and so, first, the un charter and principle. sovereignty and territorial integrity, and it quickly sounded and covered everything, the second is the principle of conducting negotiations, as was defined by the ukrainian side, with a certain mediation, and whether china can count on such

a status in this case, china cannot count in such a case his status as an intermediary, because he is no good, he is on the side of the enemy, he is a satellite of moscow. and kulema made it clear very tactfully. however, in this situation, there is a certain coincidence of information, which president zelensky repeats quite often, about the so-called negotiation process, about the peace summit, the russian side, which needs such a meeting, and also gongzhou. let me explain why? because i am convinced that in gongzhou, in addition to the contacts that i have already mentioned, including... obviously, there was a dialogue at the technological level with a certain representative of the russian side, or an authorized representative, which could be the same wang yi, regarding conditions and opportunities for the participation

of the russian side in such a summit, otherwise there was no such coincidence of the informative and concluding phrase that was voiced by the president of ukraine regarding the negotiation process and... the format of the myr chargovoy summit. from my point of view, to date, including what mr. kuleba did, what boris johnson did, the famous article, what robert o'brien did in the famous article, these are the so-called touchstones. right away, mr. antin, i want to say that they are not worth paying attention to, because it will not be possible to start any negotiation process in the current conditions with... not because of the fact that this do not want in washington, brussels, beijing, but this will not happen for the simple reason that moscow considers any negotiation process as a trap, and not only for ukraine, but

also for those who are talking about it the most today, and this clearly makes it clear, in his article he is already cursed and already completely in quotation marks i take these words not... the hero boris johnsonyuk, because what he writes there is clearly visible, you can think anything, but there is only one a way to put the führer in his place. this is power. i agree with you, mr. roman. well, look, there are two more very important signals. one signal came, not surprisingly, from the kremlin. that is, they immediately reacted like this, to the meeting of kule bezvani. and accordingly, they said that it is not the time, let's say, to conduct some negotiations, and again they undermined the legitimacy of our government, that is, they are already definitively betting on some other scenario. maybe, except for power. the scenario is a plus, and you very rightly noted johnsonyuk’s visit to trumpanyuk,

and we understand that trumpanyuk can be a very unpleasant surprise, yes, i don’t, i don’t call for quarreling with him and so on, but we we understand that he will have a solution generated by donald trump's office of simple solutions, yes, and these solutions can be our money, whatever we want, yes, and this case that accompanied him is extremely high asset. so-called gray diplomacy, here i completely agree with you, gray diplomacy begins to paint one or another scenarios, but everything rests on one side in the ambition of the führer, who says no, and accordingly , china, who says yes, yes, negotiations are impossible, but not now, not at this moment, but from my point of view, in the next, coming weeks sociologists will show the dominance of garis in relation to trump, to which... trump can resort, understanding his weakness and the need for a change, a radical change

in the strategy, tactics of the election campaign, he will start to hurry, he will start to answer all these questions in a hurry, and we will get even more there are many surprises, and i urge everyone to be ready for these surprises, so if yesterday you and i could talk about the fact that trump has better chances, and biden ... maybe, maybe not, then today i can with full responsibility to say: the trumps, in this matchup, they don't look like the frontrunners of the race. and what will happen in the final? well, i won't say today that trump can lead the race, but that's not the most important thing. it is important that the united states of america in the figure of kamala harris, about which. you can say whatever you want, but this is not just a tough person, as

joe biden called her in the last speech, this is a political shark, which, like bandyugam in california , bit the spines of rapists, fraudsters and so on, the same she is in in case of victory will do to everyone, both domestic criminals and with... actually, this is the request for a tough man that america needed, that is, this is the case where we are in the coming months, despite the fact that the election campaign in the united states of america is heating up , we will also have a certain correction of the foreign policy course, i would not compare and identify the foreign policy of biden and the foreign policy of kamala harris. especially since you have to go back and carefully read her speeches, if only at all the munich

security conferences, it is a smile, as written by experts, not women, the way she laughs in response to trump's meanness is the smile of a tiger, and there are actually a lot of known things behind this twist, but even more unknown things. from here i can say that in ukraine in this situation, first of all, if the political leaders do not know what and how to do, they should at least be silent, because in the current situation the chances have not just leveled off, but before us is the prospect of obscurity, mr. roman , the perspective of the unknown, i would like you to highlight certain points now with a torch, to things, i would like to remind our tv viewers that... an extremely unsuccessful part of the ukrainian political community tried to play along against joseph biden, in particular

, we remember how they released whom into the public arena? andrii derkach, yes, the son of the former head of the security service of ukraine, who is now accused of espionage for russia and work in the main office of russian intelligence. well, but this is a lyric. now is a historical moment, indeed, very rightly, you also mentioned about... valery zaluzhnyi, and so was the article, interview of commander-in-chief syrskyi. this is actually about the script. we understand, on the one hand there is a plan, so to speak, of putin, orban, maybe. trump, who suits them, then there is the harsh ukrainian reality, because the enemy is going to hit the energy sector and in the future, we will try to neutralize this matter with the help of air defense systems, but in any case, if the scenario goes into the winter, in the spring we can have slightly different moods of society, it is not known whether it will be in the spring or in the middle

of winter, and the enemy is also counting on it, well accordingly, so will donald trump, he will... actively play with what he will be offered, for example, by the putin-orban environment. it is important that, so that what we talked about, the printed materials of boris johnson, robert o'brien, theses expressed by valery zaluzhny, already as the ambassador of ukraine to great britain at the royal conference, further, syrskyi's interviews were not analyzed as separate, self-sufficient things, because all. and they call each other. and yes, several conclusions from this large size and large volume of voiced things. and so, first, it is obvious that the leadership in security issues on the eurasian continent will gradually pass from the united states of america to great britain. and this phrase that boris

johnson has is that the american contingent in europe should be replaced. ukrainian troops are the answer to the question that awaits europe, because the ukrainian armed forces are the only armed forces, as boris johnson writes, on the continent, which are capable of resisting russian missiles, this must be remembered. the second thing is super important in this situation, which is obvious, regardless of that london has left the european union. and london will set the tone in security issues in the nato system, and it is very important that rutte will play a key role there. another very important thing, this is what valery zaluzhny said in his speech, at this conference, is that gentlemen, democrats, if we want to keep

the democrats, wake up, we have, to date, an understanding of what it is to fight and... evil, we know how, from you, we ask for two things, the first is technology and help, because, remember, i quote, neither ukraine nor russia, in force for known reasons, are unable to do this, and the winner will be the one who will provide a technological leap. it is not necessary to separate this, this speech from the previous two materials, between which the difference is a vice. because there were definitely such conclusions, and this technological leap can only be made if, as mr. zaluzhnyi says, the democratic world wakes up and understands the danger, because they, that is, evil goes to kill, he says in the second phrase, it is not just evil that will fight, this evil is going to kill, and we have to

defend it, it is important that, that even... c chosen as, because there is the second title of the explanation of trump's foreign policy, there are words that the coalition is formed by evil, it is russia, china and iran, and the leader of this coalition, thanks, perhaps, to our discussions with you, is recognized not beijing, but moscow , this is one more, one touch to the visit to luan-zhou, minister of kuleba, i am returning. again in the field of euro-american, euro-ukrainian-american relations. and it is also very important in this area to note that ukraine in the current situation can, together with london, lead the entire external policy, not to be the object of this policy, but

to lead it. and valery zaluzhnyi in his speech absolutely... clearly makes it clear that you seem to be fine, you think that you understand everything, in fact, what is happening in the russian-ukrainian war is only a transitional stage, and we do not really know what awaits humanity in the questions of tomorrow, so either we work together and win, or we will surrender the situation one at a time. now about syrskyi. from the context of this information, because it is necessary to read not only literally, but what is there not written, written, not written, but also read in between, it is that the armed... forces of ukraine, the general staff, are preparing a very serious plan, whether it will be a counteroffensive or an offensive, this is known only to those who work on it, because when you combine the first part of this

interview with the thesis about the ten-year plan for the return of crimea, it shows that freud worked, well, he talked, it means that the current situation is only a tactical step. preparation for something serious, i 'm not giving anything away here, because really anyone who analyzes similar texts, seeing this contradiction and reluctance to talk, actually understands that a certain step is being prepared, and this step is connected with the fact of the arrival of the necessary number of f-16 aircraft in ukraine. now why does it sound right at the end, because syrsky, like... zaluzhny, at one time said, if you want western partners to be partners, please fulfill your agreements, because

the aesopian language of zaluzhny, who actually said that you reaped in 2022, you reaped in 2023, open your eyes, wake up, the assyrian is inherent... to him, as a person, a military person who participates in direct battles and battles, showed on elementary things that this happened because you did not fulfill the agreements that were between us in time, you did not put the first, second and third in time, you made the development dependent events on the front line from what you can or cannot produce, tell the truth so that we can manage the resources. which brings a result, in fact, if you combine all these components, it becomes obvious that washington,

brussels, and london are gradually coming to their senses, they are beginning to understand that ukraine can lead them today, what is important in this situation, it is important that kyiv upholds its position according to... the principle of ukraine is nothing without ukraine, and the dialogue with the west has led to the fact that it will be productive , that is , they agreed, they decided, because the group that was created in vizbadin in nato for cooperation with ukraine has already shown: 50% of the agreements that were reached between ukraine, nato countries within the framework of ramstein, the united states of america, were not... performed on time and with high quality, as it is provided by bilateral agreements and even written contracts. without a doubt,

mr. roman, look, i would like to ask you more about the plans of the enemy, so to speak , about the commander-in-chief, colonel-general oleksandr syrskyi, he gave a pretty clear signal of what to prepare for, that is, the russians are trying to increase the number of their offensive offensive group to 690,000, so it sounds extremely serious, although we understand that we are talking about an increase, well, about 150,000 personnel, accordingly, we are conducting an appropriate i am mobilizing, but there is still a population, so we understand that the enemy will rely on an internal scenario, this is how they say about the suffering of the ukrainian people in the united states and in europe, as if everyone understands, but the trial bullet was the blackout. large cities, we understand that there was a rather unpleasant reaction, i think that the enemy tested this matter in a sociological and analytical way, and accordingly they are preparing for

a scenario that will directly hit the population, so we understand that electricity is also about water, and in general about the vitality of cities, here there is an answer in zaluzhnyi's speech at the conference, about which he says: we need not just constant communication of the government with society and the readiness of society to oppose it, we need true communication, frank communication of the government with society, which would be a kind of preventive step before , which is what we are talking about, and we must thank colonel general syrsky for frankly and honestly saying, this is the situation, this is how events are developing on the front line, this is... what can await us, what is important now? importantly, from the side of the government, from the side of the president, their administration and the ministry of the departments, and especially the local authorities led. the same honest

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