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, at least we invited her and planned to do so, dear friends, let us remind you that while we are talking, you are listening, analyzing, you can comment on what we are talking about during our youtube broadcast, you can leave it there your preferences, and there are not many preferences there yet, but each favorite is this helps to be our tv channel, our broadcast on youtube, visible in the list of offers, so i think that to... 59 fingers of yours, which are already up there, more will be added, well, you can also donate to three brigades, we are currently conducting an assembly, this also a good deed, and now you actually see a qr code on your screens that you can scan and do, do a good deed, because we have to collect 3.5 million in total and so far we have an incomplete first first 200 00 hryvnias, but for this , so that there are 200 of them, ukraine,

voice fraction, mrs. yuli, congratulations, good day, how you are on vacation, on vacation, and on vacation, well, i don’t know, there are no vacations, deputies don’t have vacations either, that’s why we work like this in committees, actually vacation, well , if it’s such a general name, well, actually , deputies don’t have vacations, but you know, during martial law, deputies are not given vacation, and therefore everyone works, who where, who in districts, who in committees, who in basketball there is such a thing, at least in the nba, it is certain that if things go very badly, the second one is already over half time, then you can take the coach a break for a minute like this every now and then, stop, stop, stop, they stopped, and i think that this is my own metaphor to describe what happened this week, when stepanchu. suddenly, seeing

the blocking of the stands, just sent everyone on a forced session vacation, let's call it that, well, actually, let's say directly that the agenda for this session week, it was, well, to put it mildly, not basketball, that is, very relaxed, and that's why there were actually two ratifications, there are also a couple of draft laws, which, let's say, are not so directly necessary. now therefore actually, order and one second, one second, one second, i'm sorry, i'm interrupting you, very little time, just look, but right now i can ask you, why is he relaxed, this is a big question for me, already the last 2, 5 years since the full-scale invasion, because i think, on the contrary, our agenda should be very intense, we have many problems, you know, how we would like it to be, what are you doing, today the changes in the constitution, for example, are changing us to greater democracy. for example, we are limited

rights after the war, for example, the president, or such a position is abolished, for example, the full liberalization of the economy the next day, the next day, these changes were prepared for 30 years, they were all written a long time ago, this is a fact, vote, this is true, this is a fact, little moreover, they have been written for a long time, all the strategies have been written, there are 120 in ukraine, and you can simply take and accept the necessary ones, but the agenda. you know, our ruling party is the majority that has assumed this role, so it is unlikely that we can influence, you see, we want to put forward one bill that we believe, all factions, except for the servant of the people and opzz, consider quite urgent and necessary for the country, this is a ban on all russian fsb, religious organizations, and even this bill we cannot advance, unfortunately on the agenda, that's why... and when you come back from

this forced vacation, do you think mono will change his mind any more during this time, i don't know? and a vote will be taken in the end - it seems that the majority of people should give up on this already, from this deadline, i hope they change their minds because really, this is one of the big bills that protects our national security in many ways, and it's one of, as you say, one of the few, you know, cornerstones of our, our policy, therefore , in addition to pension reform, changing the constitution, separation of powers, banning and cleaning the ukrainian... field from all kinds of fsb, fsb, how to say it, i don’t even know how they are, they are unclean, it would be good to do it right now, because the further, as you understand, the closer to elections, the less will be the ability

of the deputies to adopt something radical, and we still have a majority in general, that is, whether we have it already, we can say with certainty that we definitely have some kind of coalition or pseudo-coalition. well , look, here you understand that the servants of the people with their votes, exclusively with their votes, cannot vote for any draft law, that is, de facto in practice the rule of the majority, as such does not exist anymore, and actually, i don’t know why, but instead , to negotiate with other factions and groups, servants of the people, decided to stick with opzzh until the end, and unfortunately, this is one of the reasons why the draft law 8371 does not get into the.

in principle, it would be necessary to say right away that this person will be the transcarpathian leader of transcarpathia, mykaley tishchenko, there, for example, well, that is, tell the whole story and say, but in principle, the parliament will be unimportant, because everything will be managed by the office of the president, yermak , you don't know who it is yet, you will find out, everything is ahead, maybe there would be some other results, well, but now they really are, obviously completely different support, today there is a closed sociology and an open sociology, which shows that the servants of the people have... minimal support, but the parliament itself is discredited, that's what is terrifying, yes, absolutely right, individual deputies who do not represent, let's say, the main picture, do not reflect , in fact, the reputation of the parliament is being destroyed, and this and that is happening, and it is a pity, because people do not

trust the parliament, although it is the only legislative body and its decisions affect the life of the whole country. ms. yulia, how can the parliament regain its... subjectivity, start by changing the agenda, if the parliament will consider professionally the bills that the country needs and clearly communicate them, not just accept the increase in excise taxes and hide, but clearly say what will be increased, what the results are, what the consequences are for a specific person, what as a result there will be, perhaps, truthful communication with people, it will play its part and... it will bring some trust back, unfortunately, we treat ukrainians, you know, like children, here we will accept everything for you, and you there as a result, you will see something there, right? you can talk with your own people, you have to communicate openly with the voters, even if there are

big problems and even if there are difficult decisions, people should know and make their own decisions, including for themselves, so the actual return of the parliament's trust can only be through openness. publicity and honest conversation, who should communicate this, it is speaker stefanchuk who should come out and say, all deputies, all deputies, everyone, each in his own, someone in his district, someone on the air, someone, like mr. stefanchuk, openly on own rostrum, this is actually the role of the parliament, to tell the truth to people, you know what we are facing, what is interesting, simply that we called not one ms. yulia to etr today, we also called halyna yanchenko. she is a representative of the servants of the people, but something prevented her from coming to us, as far as i understand or feel for these three years of working in the ether directly all the time here, i see that there is obviously some kind of prohibition at the level of the faction of the servants of the people to give comments

are basically without coordination, and this is a big problem, because it essentially limits this, this this polyphony of thoughts. this freedom of speech, in essence, because if parliamentarians are parliamentarians, each parliamentarian represents several tens of thousands of voters, and why can't these people, for example, those people who do not allow... the presidential faction every time to support any presidential law, in fact, why are they forced to constantly look for help and allies there from opzzha, and the deputies also have their opinion, but we never hear it, well, we don't hear it, but it 's not the problem of the one who bans it, it's the problem of those people who accept this ban , you you see, well, a deputy is actually an independent person, his voice. he gives exactly for those bills and for those initiatives that he considers correct, so no one there can

use your vote if you don't want it, if people perceive the situation so passively and are not ready for an open conversation and have no responsibility to their voters , then what we can do about it is the right and choice of every person who is in the parliament. mrs. yulia, i wanted to ask you, we have finally. such the innovation that journalists are crammed there on the third floor like spiders in a jar, you say that there is no communication, well, here it is as if the journalists were brought closer to the people's representatives, they were not allowed in the press box, but how often do the people's representatives come to that third floor to the room where the journalists are, who do not have the right to leave this room and cannot be on the sidelines, where they could communicate much more freely with the people's elected representatives... and in this way there would be some kind of communication with those whom these

people's elected officials serve and whom these people chose for people's elected representatives. well, honestly, it looks very limited, firstly, a small number of journalists, probably up to 20, and secondly, very few people's deputies who go up to the third floor in order to give some comments and answer journalists' questions. it's a pity, because in reality we are, well, losing. a great opportunity to communicate with journalists and journalists with ukrainians and voters, people should know, to be honest, a lot of people turn to, you know, all kinds of telegram channels, all kinds of alternative sources of information just because they can't get this information or they don't believe the media, television and official channels, it's really dangerous because it's very easy to take advantage of, esp. to all kinds of propagandist, let's say fsb,

professionals who very, very often pour various manipulative messages through tegram channels, so, unfortunately, this breaks the contact between ukrainians and e, and, for example, parliamentarians, or, for example, the executive power, the cabinet of ministers, as well as the office of the president, in fact, everyone should to hold briefings and speak openly to answer questions every day, people received answers to their questions, even if they are very difficult questions, and we have such difficult questions because there is a war going on. as we saw yesterday with the case of the murder of iryna farion, when representatives of law enforcement agencies came to the briefing and explained how the investigation was conducted, how they approached the person who is considered a suspect, well, in principle, but ukrainians are simply not trained in such communication , this is how it works in the world, well, the first in the world the briefing took place literally. in an hour, and the minister would be standing, answering the journalists' questions, as of that moment,

what is known, and the next briefing would be already in the evening and the next briefing would be in the morning, and if the citizens saw that the people's deputy, for whom they voted, he does not rise to the third rank of journalists, they would ask him what is happening, why yes, we voted for you, yes, but for this a movement is needed from two sides, ukrainians must understand that they have a great influence. on those they choose, and they are accountable and responsible, i mean who is elected, and the deputies, and the executive power, and the local government, to their citizens, and then, then they will ask why you didn't come, why you didn't vote, why you don't want to answer the the question is, why do you refuse to talk to journalists there, yes, this is how democracy works all over the world, and in fact, the lack of information distorts. field in ukraine, we see it, but people are imagining things that are not there, and these are such

dangerous trends against the background of the fact that people tired, and well, for objective reasons , it's not easy for all of us, well, you see, today there is no galina yanchenko, who was an activist, anti-corruption activist in the past, and in principle there is something to talk about in the country, my god, we have an absolutely fresh scandal here , it turns out that this yuriy, yes a golic, a golik who was the curator of... construction, he turns out to be the curator of various large and small constructions in ukraine in vienna, won, as bigus' investigators write. that his firm had probably won a huge renovation tender the hospital there for 1.3 billion in a crooked corner and well but but but the question is even different in that there is no mrs. halyna with us and with us and yes we are now showing this yury olika well he is not not in vienna there seems to be something in from

the way he found himself in the system, it became known a month ago. journalists cannot get this answer, how other people leave, and then they tell something about ukraine from abroad, he is a baumeister, a great philosopher tells russian journalists about ukraine, whether it is a totalitarian country, but you see, i just what i wanted to say about what what about what what i am leading to, that these are the issues that we raise, we can discuss among ourselves, with our viewers, with the experts that we include... with the deputies that will join us , but we don't have a hall of national conversation, we don't have a reaction, and these topics will not be raised at the national marathon, because even the public, which somehow was a bridge between reality and power, relatively speaking, it came out of the marathon, in fact , and we now have atomized some tunnels, relatively speaking,

information flows for one part of the population, for the second, for the third, here and there... some people are caught by telegram channels, which are secretly supported by the president's office, and in the end we have something completely opposite to what the banks are calling for now, the opposite of unity , we have the job of dividing the society in such a case, because we do not have a platform where we honestly discuss important things for the country, well , it seems to me, what is the problem. it's true, it's true, it's a problem because the information space is very, you know, like that puzzles, but there is no single picture, and in fact for a long time there has not been a single marathon, a single, let's say, a single information policy, and this is also due to the lack of information, people are not given information, and they

start to guess, then with all kinds of gossip appear in telegram channels, and then someone plays it up. and as a result, well, to be honest, sometimes you hear from people that there is nothing to do with reality at all, but it is accelerated by all possible social networks, and that's how it actually works always, the rating of zelenskyi himself falls in the end, and i am not happy about it, because it falls to, to, in principle , the trust of the central government in conditions of war, it is terrible in fact, and again it pushes zelensky himself to some now incomprehensible steps , that is... how will he get out of this situation, having a lot of accusations, problems and so on, having no allies, there is a simple way, it is on the surface, it is to propose to share the responsibility if we do not have a majority and we do not like swiped zelensky doesn't like it, ukrainians don't like it, western partners may not

like it very much, and in principle, what does he have there for, what are his claims against him in principle, he is simply not the prime minister, let's be honest. uh, okay, then let's propose and create some kind of government where everyone will participate, respectively, will negotiate, then we have a dialogue at the very top, and we take responsibility, we share it with everyone, this is the obvious way, is there even a chance that after all we will be able to restore the functionality of the parliament, and create a real government, where all representatives of the ukrainian people would take responsibility, and not as if we have some people who are not ours. well, you don't like us now, well now you're not ours either, i have five or six managers, everything depends on them, but as soon as the journalists start reporting, they start saying that it's hostile ipso, we are just going somewhere wrong, in the information field, well, you understand, i will tell you honestly, i really want to believe in the government

of national unity, but when you have all the teams coming from one place, from one place, from of the bank and... the office of the president, very, very, well, let's put it this way, it is difficult to imagine an independent government and independent deputies serving the people, let's start again with the fact that if the deputies were really independent from the bank and had their vote, i mean , mono majority, then they would probably have already raised the question of change and a sufficiently independent professional government, this government, it is simply, so to speak , made in order not to ask unnecessary questions. that is, they were told, they carry out, and this does not concern only the prime minister, this applies to all ministers, they don't make policy, they don't have an opinion, they are only there to do what they are told to do. is sent there by the chief specialist from the president's office, therefore, with such a composition of power , it is very difficult to imagine an independent government

before the change, let's say, of the political cycle, maybe he will, but they are talking about shmyhal's resignation, well, they were talking about it, now they don't talk about it anymore, already now shmyhal seems to have rehabilitated himself, so if by the end of august , the issue of personnel changes has definitely been postponed. so, actually, i don't know, maybe it's him again will remain the longest-serving prime minister in the history of ukraine. but let's see, for now, let's say, there are no concrete personnel changes, neither for this, nor for this session, nor for the next one. well, the vote, for example, could be taken by some ministry, provided that they had real leverage. you know, let's start with the first, had real leverage and independence, that is, if, well. if there is no such thing, then nobody would, let’s say, go to such a composition , that is, professional people will not

go to such a composition, but in this case we will never have people who are responsible, who are not it doesn't matter who don't want to take advantage of the position, we'll just never have the status of a simple democracy, even if it's not perfect, because we're a hybrid designation. hybrid regime, well, absolutely right, in order to attract a professional person who knows from the first day what to do and is ready to do it to any position, not only in the ministry, even in there, i don't know, in private business and work 24/7, such a person will not go to the composition when someone will tell him look here, don't look here, here sign, here we need to sweat somehow, therefore, strictly speaking, there are no professional, independent people in this government, and i do not believe that they will be in the next government, again with such a composition of power, because

the office of the president absolutely decides everything issues concerning the executive authorities and the agenda, and actually speaking, well , they probably lack professionalism, but this does not make it easier for everyone else, m, look, here... a discussion broke out and we learned about such a philosopher as baumeister through russian media, he gave an interview to medusa, a publication that positions itself as an opposition in russia, where he said that ukraine is a totalitarian country. when we say, of course, that ukraine is not yet a totalitarian country, but when we talk to you and you say that everything is solved in one place, it turns out that this... pseudo-philosopher is right to a certain extent somewhere? well, to a certain extent yes, well, we see that we have, in principle, let's say,

five or six managers decide and give tasks to everyone else, well, it's obvious, that's why no, i do not support the thesis that ukraine is a totalitarian country, but the fact that we have because of the war or... a state of war, when all the powers are actually given to the president, we have concentrated power, the power is all in the hands of a dozen people, this there is a big problem, and anyone who speaks is independent, he either does not get on the air of the media, and he is not heard at all, or let's say, he is discredited, so to some extent i do not want to believe that we will come. to a totalitarian regime, and for this, after all, it is necessary to learn to share powers and responsibility from a large number of people, it is much more difficult, but it is a much more

stable system, since five or six managers are very easy, well, let's say discredit and paralyze their work, if you have all state authorities working at full capacity , it is very difficult to destroy such a system, therefore... well, we have to learn to somehow get out of this situation and start to share responsibility and let's say a decision , learn to make a decision and learn to listen to the word no, this is the main thing when they tell you, you can't, let's say close a situation where you are only told good news and put in a warm bath, from that moment it really begins uh uh... the beginning of the end, because, because everyone, everyone, any, let's say, a manager, has to learn , listen to different opinions, make your

decision and accurately. learn to hear the word no, we have not yet, unfortunately, the president's office has not learned this word. i think that ukraine is so complex and difficult that if we want to be democratic and change, we cannot avoid dialogues that are very complex, which means proportional, parliamentary, strong a system with a prime minister who will probably change after the war every six months until we can agree on something, and it could be decades, that is also normal, another, well... what, what is the alternative to this, the alternative we saw, this is a shot to the temples, for example, farion, the alternative is this, thank you very much for this conversation, ms. yuliya, thank you, yuliya klymenko, people's deputy of ukraine was in touch with us, dear friends, there are still a few of us ahead of us hours of the marathon, and stay tuned as we have many more topics to come to the discussion, and then we will talk about the state of international politics and the economy.

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