living israelis, there are those, you know , patriots who stayed and say, well, what will happen will happen, we will not leave our cities, because we are already tired of going somewhere there, but then again, rockets fly every day, they shoot down every day some drones, our israeli defense army is located there, and it cannot be said that they do not fly like there, let's say 50, 100 rockets every day, and they also flew to safed, it is already more than almost 70, hezbollah stops a little, then casts his vote again, and it is obvious, as soon as it was received from iran the button was pressed, they say let's go guys, work, they start working, disappear for a while, due to the fact that the israel defense forces has aircraft that rise into the air, there are tanks that move, there are weapons that fire, and because that from time to time. calms down,

but the situation is very, very difficult. the last question or group of questions, ms. svitlana, is the fate of netanyahu, the prime minister. well, because yes, the fluctuations are such a sinusoidal story that many people want him to hold elections, so that he properly leaves the prime minister's chair, others say he is the most correct prime minister, others say something else, in short, he does not have such a thing... mr. benjamin's stability, and what do you say, how firmly is he sitting in his chair and how far can we expect new elections or something new reformatting of the composition of the knesset of the parliament of the state of israel? mr. mykola, you asked me such a question, probably it would have been easier if you had asked me if it will snow today on harmonie, because it is absolutely not today, i can say for sure that it will not snow today. look, of course, it's a lot

it is a difficult question, he has his supporters again, there is a coalition that is against him, there are ministers who are for him, and they sit there in the knesset every day, but now they have gone on vacation, which our people can't really understand either, the war is going on, the hostages have not been released, none of our three questions , the tasks that the same netanyahu set on the second day of the war, have been fulfilled. knesti went on vacation, they are resting, our boys are fighting, our boys, unfortunately, are dying there because of that, that too, if we speak about the negative, then this is a negative for the benefit, not for the benefit of nathaniau, but still we are fighting, we are trying to achieve something, here they released, not released, they took five bodies of our hostages, it was a very extremely difficult operation, and their found these poor bodies at a distance. when they went into this, oh

my god, what is it called, into the tunnel, they walked 200 m, walked 200 m until they found these bodies, but netanyahu says that it is thanks to us and to him, including that we finally at least the bodies took these people, so you know it is very difficult to speak. please, ms. svitlana glaz, a journalist from israel , told us about the latest... news: in the turbulent, turbulent state of israel, you really don't envy them there, although you won't envy ukrainians either. now there will be advertising, and then we will talk about the murder of mrs. iryna farion, about what is happening around us, we will talk with vitaly tytych, a lawyer and a military officer of the armed forces of ukraine. after advertising, that will be all. national tebe na

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vitaliy, thank you for have found time for us, i would like to introduce you in the first, second and third places precisely as a lawyer, because i am going to talk to you exactly as a lawyer. thank you once again for joining our program, thank you, yes i am, i am a practicing lawyer, even more so, and on in the fourth and fifth place, also about a lawyer, if the case of this guy who killed, i suspect that he killed, i will try to be, maybe not a lawyer, but some kind of novice lawyer who is suspected of murder, mrs. iryna farion, you would have already found there no... flaws in the investigation, in the selection of a preventive measure, in keeping the suspect, well , in short, this whole procedure, his detention, there is already something to complain about, because this is the reverse side of my same question, have you learned power, after the story with pavel

sheremet, she learned something when said, it's them, we know, it's definitely them, here's the absolute proof, and then it turned out that the evidence is... not exactly, to put it mildly, absolute, then you've already found something that you could you will touch the lawyer, to say: no, no, no, gentlemen, you are not very right here, please, mr. vitaly, well, i think it is obvious, not everyone needs to be a lawyer, really, the investigation, first of all, it is at the very initial stage, and what you say, now there are certain snags, yes, there are certain doubts, maybe we will talk about it, it is relevant to say, but the key difference from that episode and the event you mentioned is that obviously these lessons have been learned, well, i hope so, and public,

as public communication, and, let's say, the position of the prosecutors at the election stage precautionary measure. it is significantly different from the circus that was in the sheremet case, so this difference is positive. i think we 'll see how it goes. i repeat that this is a very early stage and, in principle , it is possible to criticize now, but let's say, inappropriately, there is a positive eh, which looks like a positive is obvious, this is a quick disclosure eh of the probable perpetrator of this crime, eh, but serious conclusions can be drawn, if so long story short. to your question, answer, serious conclusions regarding the shortcomings of the investigation, we will

make in two months, when the change of the preventive measure will be activated, or choose it in a new way, or already transfer the case to the court, so at this stage it is still ok, then the question that is, which is on the surface, which is obvious, is a question of the previous. qualifications of the composition of the crime, incriminated 115 part one, most simply an unqualified composition, but obviously under two circumstances, well, firstly, this is a requirement of the criminal law, and secondly, there is evidence that indicates that this, this criminal proceeding should be opened according to article 200 258, part three, that is... committing a terrorist act, well, there are obvious things here, i don't know if i need

to repeat it, the composition of article 258, the signs of this crime directly follow from those, let's say , the circumstances are known to everyone, the crime was committed against a person , who is an active politician, the late is called a linguist, but she is obviously an active part of political life... even in the state in which this life is now, the strength of the circumstances that exist, and the, let's say, indirect evidence that has already been voiced, both by investigation and and the independent investigators who are investigating, they point to the fact that the purpose of the crime was to provoke certain conflicts within the country, let's say... in other words, the disposition of this article 258, it is an influence on

decision-making, that is, the incitement of state bodies and, let's say yes, certain stakeholders of civil society to promote certain narratives that will be and are sensitive to society, and why, mr. vitaly, excuse me, please, why did they choose s... intentional murder, i will tell you frankly, i can emphasize with three red lines that i not a lawyer, but i, a non-lawyer, was completely surprised when i found out that they were indicted, i say no, no, listen, it's an act of terrorism, it's obvious to me, i don't understand everything, but then the question arises, why did they classify the crime that way, he it is easier to prove, there is more reasons, that is, why did they suddenly decide... that it was an ordinary murder, just ivan killed peter, or peter killed ivan, iryna farion, not peter and

not ivan, and not an ordinary citizen, she is obviously not, not an average citizen, someone, someone someone loves her, someone doesn't, it doesn't matter, but she is a very famous, very famous person, and she is not the bearer of any ideas against which, as i understand, this attempt was made, so why then just murder. er, well, i repeat such a general phrase once again, maybe specifically, the investigation is on preliminary stage, and this qualification is called so in textbooks, it is called preliminary qualification, uh, and in principle, this is, well, not a right, but part of the tactics of conducting a pre-trial investigation, let’s say , it can be, if you try to use some clever phrases to explain, yes, it can be... part of the tactics of this particular pre-trial investigation in the context is another,

let's say, the reason that follows from the practice of how article 258 has been used for the last 10 years, let's say, but i wouldn't want to this now to bring up our topic, i hope that this is a preliminary qualification and the investigation has such and such an obligation: right, yes, having established additional evidence, real evidence, because now we have, i emphasize, what was presented at the stage of choosing a preventive measure in judge what i could see is all circumstantial evidence, and this is also important in terms of qualification, because there is circumstantial evidence of participation or in the execution or participation in a group in the execution of the murder, but direct evidence, in particular, which he himself emphasized there , is more valuable klimenko,

yes, this is a digital trace of the alleged executor, we know it, but we don't need to. to remind about this, what it is about, yes, from his devices, well, everyone remembers, if necessary, i will refer to it, but this digital slyt, it suggests that there are such circumstances here, and in the following part evidence, we do not have direct evidence of the commission of the crime, this is very important, of the crime of murder of the accused, but we have, let's say, evidence of probable participation in... in participation in the 258th and from various, let's say, roles, relatively speaking, in including, i drew attention to it, i have a reference such an opinion, i can substantiate it, including in order to conduct an investigation from a real executor, yes, to receive a salary for

myself, it may be so, i do not want to indulge in conspiracy, but there are certain signs. which i drew attention to, i am not a participant in criminal proceedings, i, like all listeners and viewers, including you , focus on what was in the public, but it causes me certain comments like you asked, but i repeat, this is a very preliminary stage, and at this stage in terms of the investigation , i have no serious questions, there are questions, certain emerging theories. regarding the evaluation of the circumstantial evidence that is available, and secondly, that if we talk about law enforcement agencies, i think that in this part it is important to say, the investigation, if the investigation, the actions of the investigation, while they do not raise questions, another question for the law enforcement agencies in ensuring the safety of such persons is obvious, and for everyone,

what i will quote, it seems that it was klymenko who said that farion. was chosen as the most vulnerable victim, yes, he said something like that, but the question then arises for our law enforcement, counterintelligence authorities, why is this person, why was she not provided adequate protection, why were covert measures not carried out, including counter-intelligence measures regarding her safety and the prevention of such a suspected crime, this is a serious question for our... so-called law enforcement agencies , well, for me, as i repeat again that i am not a lawyer, but it was obvious to me that there were many signs that it was the same, all counter-terrorist organizations will tell you, and i did not make it up myself either, i read somewhere that it is almost impossible to reveal the designs of loners, and

here is a really fantastic role of law enforcement agencies, that they did it, if they prove that it is true, then so be it. that person, but how do you put next to every public person, let's take tens of thousands of journalists and so on and so on, i have a hard time imagining the possibilities of somehow protecting them, but despite the fact that you don't like to speculate, one remark, yes please please, pharion, pharion is not, let's say, of the category, let's say, of that list, you said, so definitely under threat, it's an obvious threat, we still we remember those lists that were published, and in the case of the occupation of kyiv in three days, the lists of active, let's call it, members of ukrainian civil society, government figures, eh, obviously such people were, are

, and will be under the crosshairs as long as the fsb exists and other organizations of the country of the aggressor, but... the parion stands out obviously, objectively, she was simply, well, nominated for such a sacred sacrifice, and it's like me, let's put it this way, it was a matter of time of such an attempt, and here i'm all i still thought that this was quite a lack of work seriously, yes, definitely, only if ms. farion was given protection like she is, on the second day this, this society would shout... to young guys, that is, this is such a difficult topic, i don't know, it's not, it's not like that, it's difficult to decide in today's ukraine, what is more important

to protect political or social public figures or to sit at the front and fight the russians from the katsap, again , remark, that's what you said there, let's say the extreme stage, this is the provision of protection, it will be noted that it is extremely ineffective. uh structure, first, second, it's used, uh, rather unfortunately, yes, we have a lot of episodes that have been talked about repeatedly in our cases, how it is used, the so-called protection of participants in criminal proceedings or protection to persons, which is provided upon initiation from criminal proceedings, but there are such inactive measures, i called them . intelligence, yes, that is, under the circumstances that were published, yes, the person was conducting surveillance, er, was in the yard, well

, allegedly, what we have, yes, those videos, which are for a long time, and elementary eh - let's say, the measures could divert it at the stage preparation of a crime, so i'll stick to my opinion, basically, no, no, you're entitled to any opinion, not just...your own and someone else's as well, uh, your personal suspicion is that that he is alone, or there might be a mutiny, or at this stage you cannot yet say what you are leaning towards, i understand that we, we all do not know in detail now what is happening there in the investigative actions, but here i am i'll be honest, i'm not an expert, but i have the impression that he's alone, and... and there are people who say, no, it's a mutiny, well, let's say i'm a statement from the freedom party, which i respect very much and i think they have the right to express any opinion, they say,

no, this, this is sedition, what do you think? uh, well, first, what we see, the circumstantial evidence that there is, it's quite, let's call it that, controversial, yes, and, conclusions now, well, we'll go. just into conspiracy, yes, but, i listened to some comments, colleagues, let's say , who was engaged, and engaged and engaged, related to the investigation, and i have a whole series of questions, the person who probably, i repeat, we again took the position that something has already been established, in fact no, there is no direct evidence of its execution... this murder does not exist as of today, there is circumstantial evidence, this circumstantial evidence, in particular right now, which you brought to light screen, in relation to

masking measures, on the one hand, it indicates that the person, well, probably, if one has reread some literature, carried out measures, this is called from the reverse such masking, yes, that is, to remove it after the crime. these means of masking and then so that he does not install this one the person could not be identified, that is , the person disguises himself because he understands that where he is, in general in the city of lviv, there is now a situation in any city of ukraine, with a large presence of cameras, street surveillance cameras, private devices that record moving any person and there is no difficulty. about this, the investigation is based on this, that the disclosure was made for, excuse me, we have to finish, because we still have a movie ahead of us, well a movie, excuse me,

vitaly tytych, lawyer, military of the armed forces of ukraine, thank you for participating, took part in our program, thank you very much, and we are coming to the last story, it will last about 6-7 minutes, it is... a law, a draft law so far, unfortunately, about banning the ukrainian, so-called ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate , we know that a great struggle is being waged in the parliament, there are people from my point of view, intelligent people, who say that we should ban and forget about it, and there is a reason, but for some reason these people who want to finally ban the uoc do not have enough votes mpa, and there cannot adopt this law. turn the bill into a law, and this is about this thorny path of this bill banning the moscow church and the prospects of such an initiative, it is unclear what awaits us

in the future. our correspondents will tell, and i say goodbye until tomorrow, thank you all for your attention, great victories to all of us. a little more than a year ago, the russian peace was kicked out of the kyiv-pocharsk lavra. let me remind you and emphasize that in the ukrainian capital, in the ukrainian shrine, they prayed for putin and the russian military. nowadays, in the lavra , they already pray in ukrainian, for and for ukraine ukrainian defenders. however, a year later , there are still russian churches in ukraine, and the clashes regarding their ban under the dome of the council are no less active now than a year ago under the dome of the lavra. the struggle with the moscow church in ukraine began in 2022. in november of that year, more than 30 people's deputies from different factions, headed by mykola knyazhytskyi , registered draft law 8221, but

it was rejected by the majority. in december 2022, more than 20 deputies of various factions, led by iryna konstantevich , registered another document under the number 8262. however, the servants of the people did not like him either. and finally, in january 2023 , the cabinet of ministers, at the request of the nsdc, introduced its bill 8371. i will emphasize. that all three initiatives were supported by the specialized humanitarian committee. however, even the mildest of all government draft laws took almost six months to get to the first reading. then he won 267 votes in favor. on march 5, 2024, the committee of the verkhovna rada on humanitarian and information policy recommended the parliament to adopt it in the second reading. and

finally. we are here on july 23, 2024 draft law 8371 on amending some laws of ukraine regarding the activities of religious organizations in ukraine wants to be seen in the hall, but not everyone, according to the people's elected officials at the conciliation council, is blocked by a monomajority. today, at the conciliation council, the servants united with two former groups, or rather, current groups and the former opz, and... they did not bring this down , they actually brought down the bill 83-71, we will send such and such news, it is a pity that we have a new coalition between servants and pro-russian parties in the 10th year of the war, but we have that we have, they chose such a servant, they were servants of the people, they became servants. previously, it was assumed that it was not considered because there were not enough votes in favor,

but the parliament... assures that there is support for the initiative even among the people's servants. there are enough votes for this draft law, the only question is to put it on the agenda in order, and since the servants are blocking its putting on the agenda, unfortunately, we cannot consider it. i am sure that if this law is in the hall, then at least 250 deputies will vote for it. in addition, the people's deputies could be frightened by the conditional anathema, they say, they already have... that they will receive personal western sanctions in case of supporting the initiative. according to the people's deputies, the relevant letter came from an american law firm that acts on behalf of the ukrainian orthodox church. in contrast, others say that 8371 turned out to be completely democratic. the law prohibiting the activities of the russian orthodox church as an organization that poses a threat to

national security. this is required by the convention on the protection of human rights - article 9/11, this is required by the constitution of ukraine, article 35-36, where it is directly stated, there is an explanation of the constitutional court, which directly obliges the ukrainian government, the ukrainian authorities, each of us, to protect national security from interference by hostile organizations. there will be no closure, there will be no funding, these are court procedures, these are scientific examinations, these are legal decisions, and... also, practically all the wishes of the churches of different countries, from the protestants to the ocu, were heard and included in this bill so that it would be really worked. in whom, in what would be the problem, as soon as the parliament decided not to consider the issue church, his work stopped. people's deputies of the european solidarity faction, the voice of trust and for the future group blocked

the tribune.