ukrainians were defeated in dzhankoya, you informed others, they covered the attack there, and they did not cope, they put it, everything was destroyed by our drones, plus they add satakams, the results are known, now we will continue to watch from the last operation, because there was intelligence, at first the british helped us in this, well , the russians sunk the american one, that is, the strategic intelligence, it means... that they did not work well, they did not shoot down the weapon, but they poured fuel on the strategic american intelligence, and the americans, this is how the reaction of america after anyway, that's why the results are like this, the british went with the cover of eurofighters 2, it was for intelligence in their own interests, there was such a thing, but two days later an operation on the sakas took place, they were at first...

absolutely logic and professionalism were at first by the means of anti-war defense, and they did not succeed, did not protect themselves and c500 prices, which were assigned neither in sakas, nor in jankoi, nor in sakas, and until they solve this problem, after that, as they were suppressed, including the eyes, that is, radiogrative anti-weather stations of defense, and the complex there was destroyed by 300, in my opinion, then they went on to... damage the objects and hit them successfully, and to that extent, i don't know how anyone there thought, well, maybe sapahmelny were there in the analysis groups in them, because they had scouted for two days, that is , it is clear that something is being prepared by the defense forces of ukraine, well, they are the same, these are their problems for our joy, and the fact that not a single plane managed to take off in the air, this indicates that the operation was performed quickly and professionally. and effective, that's our

perspective, but back to that, i would supported with pleasure, you and i told how it is happening in the crimea and on air defense, in the fight for air, but i absolutely professionally believe that our means should be concentrated now on helping the ground forces, the eastern, first of all, our front, well, in general on our three fronts, it must be done, and why, look, we have a commander-in-chief for... during martial law - this is the commander-in-chief of the defense forces of ukraine, not the armed forces of ukraine, so i want to say, the armed forces are not enough to carry out the tasks , to stop the advance of defense forces, a there then the sbu will enter there, yes, and gur, mo, although not mo, but that's how, and everything else, we must concentrate what we have in order to help our ground troops, i am deeply convinced of this. thank you for

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should we prepare for? leading lawyers of the aktu bar association will answer these and other questions that concern ukrainians. watch every tuesday at 7:55 in the program legal expertise. on the espresso tv channel. we are back, friends, and now we will talk with oleksandr levchenko, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine. i want to say that while there was an announcement, while there was a break, uah 3,000 was already added to our qr code collection there. mr. oleksandr, we congratulate you. sincere greetings. mr. oleksandr, they appear again. theses, there are many about the fact that ukraine should prepare for a compromise already at the next round of negotiations, and this compromise means not only coming to terms with by the loss, at least temporarily, of territory, possibly along the front line that runs now,

but also to refuse membership in nato, what is our interest here, should we distinguish between these two theses, or can they go... in some bloc in your opinion , well, these theses go, my god, there are not so many of them, it’s politics, recently, there was an article commissioned by an analytical center in the usa, for example, i wrote four foreign countries’ answers, by the way, we had it here and in the observatory, in the western information front, newswein, what, well well, they will voice the kremlin's wishes, that's why the kremlin works and invests billions of dollars in information warfare, by the way, we also need to invest, well, at least hundreds of millions in information warfare, to somehow counter these things, and that's how we let's

discuss endlessly, discuss all kinds of ridiculous ideas and so on, you mean, bribe bribe american commentators to say things that are important to us ... information warfare requires funding just like buying tanks, like the purchase of airplanes, the information war should be singled out, your thesis is that... you see, that's why such things come out, and the russians are engaged in this, so periodically, if not systematically, their hacks come out, as if not from the russian media, but from the westerners, i'm sorry, what did you want to add, i wanted to add, does this mean, then this thesis is valid, that in principle, western experts are corrupt. we can buy them using the same technique, and by overbuying, for example,

the russian price, and, for example, by outsmarting the russians in their propaganda. the point is that the russians work with editors-in-chief, journalists, they are not corrupt, they work, they give them some framework things, they give them an argument that is not very stupid, i will tell you, already the first year. during the war , they wrote about russian measures and so on, all this does not pass, they find some kind of argument, including this one, they manipulate numbers, facts, maybe even these journalists and editors do not fully understand the manipulation, but they will receive information , they are asked to process it and give these ideas for the western consumer to understand, partly they are true, partly they are debatable, and partly they are complete

lies, by the way, this kind of information is the most difficult to refute, because if it is an outright fake, it is very easy to do, so what we have to give up our territory, this is purely moscow's vision, look, well, the peace formula is clear, this peace plan does not say at all that ukraine would give up anything, further. let's go trump's plan, everything we've heard from boris johnson, from other former advisers to president trump, the former, about how he sees a settlement in ukraine, there is no thesis at all that ukraine should give up its territories. now, well, it seems that china, so with its plan and so on, he does not mention some things there, for example, territorial ones. integrity , kuleba went to china and so on, he was there, he spoke with the minister for foreign affairs in

ani, and china confirmed that territorial integrity is a non- negotiable issue, it is a principle of the organization of the united nations, enshrined in the un charter, and china has always adhered to it and will continue to do so to continue, does not recognize that donbas is occupied and crimea, so the fact that we have to give up our territories to someone is purely ... the kremlin's narrative, which says that ukraine will never win in this war, but will only lose more and more, let's start negotiations as soon as possible, because ukraine will lose its statehood and so on, it has a chance to give four oblasts with crimea, and then it may be saved, uh, er, this happens, but i emphasize, this is not the narrative of western diplomacy, this is the narrative of individual journalists , or cooperating centers. with the kremlin studio e, that is, anyone who in principle

voices this, these are people who cooperate with the kremlin, i understood correctly, well, like the new york times, for example, cooperates with the kremlin or does not cooperate, well, what do you think, not new york times, and the journalists, for whom it is first of all necessary to go naked, and there are already the most of these pro-russian articles, of course, well, what are you talking about, i do not know what you are talking about, about the fact that part of the journalists of the new york times , receive money from russian special services? i think they get it, that's how i do it information warfare, i know the system of work of the svr, that is, the foreign intelligence service and the main intelligence agency, etc., that is , there are specially trained people for financing the financing of these things, they do not just come with an envelope directly and so on, these are established connections , which have been supported for years, here are those who talk about... can they there , and i, how about the central intelligence agency, the intelligence management is not

engaged in counterintelligence, the fbi is engaged in it, not other bodies, and the cia is also engaged in the same way as russians, so that you understand too, but what did you think bribery is always involved in this, that is, you do not allow that, in principle, freedom of speech is of any value. things for these editorial offices, they exist, they have, they exist, but they have a free opinion, you understand that every journalist should express his opinion, his own. vision and as you noticed, in most quarters it is written that this is the personal opinion of so-and-so, that's all, not an opinion, this is not the opinion of the editors, there was a recent scandal last year, last year, when one of the german respected researchers of russia, who was a constant commentator on events, in particular the war between ukraine and

russia, there deutsche wallet, on the cdf and so on, on the central channels, it turned out that... he actually received money disguised as various grants and so on from the russian federation, it is true, but it was not about journalists, not about the media, it would be a scandal of a completely different level of such a case, namely about a bought medex expert, not a medical expert, namely , experts and journalists write materials, which means they work with an expert environment and journalistic environment, it has been constant since the times of the ussr. of soviet russia and so on, so what can we do to this, what can we oppose to this in such a case, or should we go the same way, that is , look somewhere, bribe, lie and manipulate, or should we still be here tell the truth? well, you see, if you 're telling the truth, why would you bribe,

you just need to systematically work with these media and be there all the time. but if you are not there, they do not hear you there, or your argumentation is not very systematic, unconvincing, they don't know you, if they don't know you, they won't put you in the limelight, you understand, you know someone, you invite an unknown person to the tv channel, the editor will hesitate for a very long time, to take, not to take, he performs there, he does not perform, and so on, it has to be checked and so on, that's why you have to work with the media, and the russians understand that they have to work with the media. specially trained people, you see, they have to know very well psychology, manners of behavior, some things they are taught in these advanced schools and so on, this diplomats don't know, you understand, but for ukraine, the option for us is that we fight for the truth and we don't need lies, because we have so much truth that we simply don't need lies,

even diplomats can and should do it, and so on. and this is opposed by the russians. propagandize a huge amount of information from ukraine, so that any fool does not enter there, well, as now, for example, the vice president from, the candidate for vice president from the republicans, well, conditionally says that the level of corruption in ukraine is the same as in afghanistan, no one says, that in ukraine there is no corruption, but someone told him such a comparison, how did he know it, that like in afghanistan, it was someone who had to bring such a comparison to his adviser and so on, so. i predict in a second that one of his advisers, assistants cooperates with people who give some additional, inaccurate, incorrect, absolutely false information about ukraine. the studio, you know, simply, miss, your colleague is also a diplomat, who, actually, roman

vashchuk, who was canada's ambassador to ukraine, lived here for a long time, and continues here continues to live, it often happens in ukraine, since he is now a businessman from business, the authorized representative of ukrainian business affairs, and here he once wrote a very important article, in fact, when he was already drawing up the credentials of a diplomat and his hands were, so to speak, open yazyna, he wrote a very good article about the fact that the west understands ukraine very poorly, i know the second thesis, that ukraine understands the west very poorly, but they are probably related to each other, so if you do not understand one, the one and the other he probably doesn't understand well, so his main thesis was...well, i don't know if it's the main one, but what is important in our context of our conversation was that ukrainians have a rather dichotomous, i.e. black and white vision, so to speak treason-victory, here, for example, if there are 10 points of volodymyr zelenskyi, then victory in our country is 10 points, if, for example, nine points have only been fulfilled by oleksandr zelenskyi, oh volodymyr

zelenskyi, this means that well in principle, this is a complete betrayal, that is, we have this spoon, sorry, something else. it also transforms a plate of honey into this and that whole substance from that spoon, this is magical thinking to a certain extent, but i actually want to get to the point of all this, what scares me in this whole story about the fact that we have some the connection that if we cede territories at least temporarily, then we are ready not to join nato, and vice versa, if you no longer join nato, then cede territories, these are completely different theses, we just see by example . of the same germany after the 45th year, they ceded territories, but were taken into nato and were able to return the territories. there is finland, which ceded territories, could not return them and is unlikely to be able to, but they. nato ended up in the end, this is also an example, i'm talking about the fact that history is not black and white, there are always some, well no, it doesn't always work out, that's all and immediately, well, it doesn't always

work out like that, right, well, you're talking with a professional historian, a university professor, in general, and actually this thesis about our membership in nato, whether it can be brought out, millions of examples, black and white, not black and white and so on, of course we have to take... the examples are closer, the further into history, of course, it moves away from us a little, but we have to understand that everything repeats itself in this human development, and we have to take everything into account , what was happening , means the latest, for example, in politics, what was - this political magazine is known about the fact that ukraine will not be accepted into nato, because there are forces that are not interested in being accepted into nato, well, in principle, we ... know , who is now against the admission of ukraine to nato, the united states of america, germany, and actually hungary, this famous things and so on. will they change?

well, it will change in hungary, if it changes , probably orbán is in power, if not, it probably won't change, and as for the usa, germany, well , there are also such discussions when they, whether they will change their position or not, you know, this is played by, for example, russian and propaganda, which is really objective, countries against joining, and only one that will not let ukraine into nato is enough, and strictly speaking, these countries are also influential, i mean the usa and germany, and their one vote will play, will be decisive, there let's say hungary, this is a slightly different issue, and these two for sure, if one of them is against it, ukraine will not be accepted into nato, but it is said that so far ukraine, they say, is not ready for this, well somewhere it is objectively possible. so it is, and the second point that we are describing is that, strictly speaking, moscow is shouting that ukraine should not be accepted into nato, because it will be a threat

to russia, this is the main kremlin narrative: ukraine will create a threat to russia, in fact we calculated, saw that moscow is only afraid of the fact that after joining nato, it will not be possible to conquer ukraine, that is , if from... now we see that there is no mention of territorial concessions in any peace plan, so far, there is none in any of the peace plans, then if ukraine ends the war with such a plan, then moscow is all the same will try to conquer ukraine later, there is no doubt about it, but if ukraine joins nato, this goal becomes unattainable for moscow, so the kremlin shouts that ukraine should not be included in... otherwise it will never conquer ukraine, and everything is turned upside down to the bottom regarding territorial concessions,

er, sometimes there were - things that were said by certain western, er, analysts, very few politicians who understand that in principle the integrity and inviolability of borders are universal, so if you say something about ukraine, then it is. .. must be applied all over the world, the system of modern international relations is collapsing, that is why politicians are very careful about this, well, some experts and journalists are less careful, and that is why it sometimes sounds, so it is necessary to discuss with them, explain and so on, eh , why is it impossible and so on, so i have to say, that today, today in a serious environment... the western world does not see the need for territorial concessions to russia at all, moscow scares everyone that it will win on the front and ukraine will not

go anywhere, well, to be honest, if it wins on the fronts, then then the situation will be really very critical for us, then we have to think and do something, that means, but now in the current situation, it does not correspond to this, so we are working according to our plan, and the main plan - this is the studio peace formula. mr. oleksandr, thank you. oleksandr levchenko, diplomat, the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine was with us. now we go on a short break. then we'll come back and continue. 13 00 is not enough for us to reach the average rate of 47 hryvnias per day for fees. stay with us. your couple is starting a new season. meet! the absolute course of alaska stayle boots only from uah 799. attention, everything around is getting more expensive, but we have kept the price of last year. order

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