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if taxes are not raised, the military risks being left without salaries at the end of september, says the head of the budget committee, roksalana pidlas. the government offers raise the military levy, because you have to act quickly. entrepreneurs and economists against. they say that due to the changes proposed by the government, part of the white business will go into the shadows, the economy will collapse, and it is more logical to increase the vat rather than the military levy. but why is the government against this, and how does the government want to supplement the budget, why is this approach criticized by business, and how much money is missing from the ukrainian budget, and can the military be left without salaries. we are talking about all this today on this broadcast, this is svoboda.

my name is kateryna nekrecha and we are starting. in two years, kyiv will need so much for the russian troops to reach the ukrainian one capital, if they continue to move at the current pace. julian ryobke, a columnist for the german newspaper bild, made such an assumption, which he expressed on his page on the x network. i will immediately note that in ukraine , ryobka's post has already been called, quote, another pearl of the journalist. in particular , the manager wrote about this in his telegram channel. andriy kovalenko of the center for countering disinformation of the nsdc. this browser is a generator of random meanings. his military analysis is based on the channels of russian military leaders, he himself is guided by the principles of hype. to the reality of the analyst ryobka is not related. ryobkia himself probably made his post based on the conclusions of analyst john hellin, who writes about the crisis at the front for the finnish newspaper helsinki news about kyiv in two years.

does not say anything, but notes that after the capture of the village of progress in the pokrovsk direction , the russian army is advancing one kilometer there every day. this situation is the result of many short and long-term challenges that ukrainians face at the same time, writes helin. the most significant of them is the command, which, as he believes analyst, still wastes troop lives to hold as many territories as possible. about roman pohorily, co-founder analyst and project analyst. joins our broadcast, mr. roman, congratulations, thank you for joining, we will also talk about these statements, about the situation at the front, but i want to start with the assumption of yulian ryobka, who is a bild columnist, that for with the current pace of the russian army, well, maybe it will, maybe it will take only two years to reach kyiv, how do you feel about such assumptions to such, if you can call it analytics, congratulations, glory to ukraine. laugh, to

be honest, mr. kovalenko said everything perfectly, a generator of just instant and sudden meanings and an analyst, i don’t know at all why they pay attention to it and discuss it, we were given three days, we were given weeks there, they are already giving two years, thank you, this time is increasing, maybe they should look at their armies and how long they would hold out against this pressure. therefore, i do not know what these conclusions were based on, our military they are trying to do everything possible to deter the enemy, to do analytics simply somewhere abroad, looking at muscovite publics and looking for a golden mean between ours and theirs, this is nonsense, because muscovites lie very often, but of course, you can also look in parallel at how the brainiacs are advancing, so ... it would be better for mr. roebke to pay attention to

how their countries and our partners are giving us help to contain all this pressure, because it is a huge ... this niche falls on the resources that we need in order to restrain this incredibly great pressure, because there are a lot of muscovites there in the area of ​​progress , now in general there in the area of ​​avdiivka and they are teeming with them, and here we just need the means to destroy them, and our military is constantly under fire, primarily by aviation, we need means to destroy them. and they invent there, if not a language, then some kind of history book for the pilot to read from the f-16 so that he would fly and work there, or air defense systems, so from which side to look here, and i did not turn to these some attention analysts because

everyone can see who is in ukraine, he can see the state of affairs and absolutely make his own analysis and his own conclusions, but here is the thing that very... a lot of western media and media commentators have started to write about internal problems there with the command and everything, this is a bell , because it is becoming louder and louder, both abroad and in ukraine, but agree, such a statement to kyiv in two years sounds, firstly, the ukrainian capital is called, and secondly, also taking into account the situation on the front, where there is an advance of russian forces and... this is, of course, perceived as such a rather threatening story, i will also cite the telegram here, they wrote about the pace of mobilization to lavzu, that they are now increasing, and that the russian federation will lose its dominance by winter, given what is

happening now at the front, what trends do you observe, russian troops, are they able to continue advancing into ukrainian territories, or what can you do? to forecast there for several months or six months ahead, well, they love and know how to distribute the territory very easily, especially those who are not related to the army, nor to any positions today, nor to the processes of war in general, because any official who currently holds any position, any, any person, military, we do not see from them , we're seeing from ex-commanders, ex-generals, analysts, tweeters, bloggers and the like, so these are different things that need to be distinguished, if it was some current united states general saying that, that would be a bell to heed , everything else is simple, just today said, i forgot tomorrow, that's all about the muscovites, well, we see that there are areas where

, unfortunately, they exert enormous pressure, they use a large amount of resources there and have promotion, and these are the first decisions made there and ... and the defense organization in general, which is being talked about more and more, and it makes sense, because at least the case with the 31st brigade in the area of ​​​​progress, to allow such a thing, well, it's not that it is not unacceptable, and it is bad that this happens, there are many such cases, everywhere, along the entire front line, unfortunately, they are pressing, our military is trying to contain all this somewhere with a limited amount of resources, somewhere... just because of some problems there inside, and somewhere because of just a huge number of brains that they are climbing, they don’t care if they die, they don’t die , they will lose their equipment, they won't, they just climb and that's all, that's why here every district,

every section, it's different in its own way, i won't say there, name how long it will take everything. or else, because it is necessary to respect our military, which, which for someone two years, it’s something there quickly there or live until the 25th, and for someone a whole day it’s an eternity, roman, of course, but here you are as an analyst with your team, what are you observing, the pace of the russian forces, they, what dynamics, are they growing, are they recruiting, they are not falling, they are not falling, they are continuing the letters, you cannot say that the entire front line, they are constantly storming there and ... advancing as if they are passing some great distance there every day, each district, it has its characteristic of fighting, it has its intensity, because somewhere they are accumulating their forces in order to use them, somewhere they have already worn out and are regrouping, accordingly, the pressure

has decreased, here they are now in the area of ​​kostyantynivka, novomykhaivka, there in general in this area along the ughledar-vodyany highway of kostyantynyuk, they have gathered a huge amount of forces , which they are now simply and... with which they are attacking, we see the 79th publishing a video, there is the 72nd op forfor and the like, that is, all the fighters of the brigade who are standing there, they are facing tremendous pressure, this was not the case before. .. this they collected, now the muscovites use all this, and our military inflicts as much damage as possible to erase this potential, so that they go there for regrouping, for rotation, they may search, but they due to the large number , we see that they have an advance, in the area people of avdiiv, there are simply swarms of nimiki, they climb incessantly, and the situation there is very critical, we, of course, have limited resources compared to the cerebral ones, so we hold back the pressure as much as we can, where in the liman area now... all the pressure has slept a little , because they they have disappeared there and they cannot do anything, our military is even to some extent

taking the initiative to regain positions there, so here we need to see how the situation is developing, what forces are involved, of course, and how we react, because it also depends very much on of situational awareness, there are conditional commanders or commanders on the spot, and at the highest level, what forces are used, how this deterrence is seen, thank you roman, thank you for your help. for your analytics, thank you, roman pohoriliy, co-founder and analyst of the deep state ua project, and we talked about the situation at the front. taxes are supposed to rise in ukraine already this autumn, in fact, in a month the government is now in an accelerated mode looking for ways to raise taxes in order to fill the budget, because as the people's deputy from the servant of the people and the head of the budget committee roksulana pidlas says, if the deputies do not have time in the near future agree on what taxes to raise. then already at the end of september , the military will not receive their salaries.

it is necessary that the changes to the budget be signed and become operational by mid-september, that is, to at the end of september to pay the financial support to military personnel, it is necessary to approve the budget and sign it by the middle of september. if we are talking about tax changes, then they come into force, as a rule, from the first day of the month following the adoption. in order for this to be possible from september 1, 2024, they need to be adopted at the end of august. and the verkhovna rada has already voted to raise the excise tax on fuel. the price of gasoline will start to rise from september 1, but this is not enough. the government sent two more draft laws for consideration by the parliament: amendments to budget for the 24th year and changes to the tax code. many items concern the increase of the military levy, both for individuals, that is, ordinary people, and for large and small businesses, fops, etc. now the military levy for... now it is proposed to raise it to 5%. legal entities and

fop of the third group are offered to pay a military tax of 1% of all income, and now entrepreneurs on a single tax do not pay a military tax at all. it is planned to raise the military levy for individuals to 5% of the two minimum salaries entrepreneurs of the first, second and fourth groups. and government officials also propose to raise taxes on so-called luxury, namely the military levy by five. from the sale of real estate, if you sell it for the second time in a year, 15% tax on the value of the purchase or first registration of cars, 30% military tax on the sale of jewelry . minister of finance of ukraine serhii marchenko motivates to support the government's proposals precisely because, i quote: every hryvnia will go to victory. in the conditions of war , everyone must pay the military levy. this is our joint responsibility of individuals. pifops and big business. revision of military tax rates and its introduction for a number

of taxpayers will allow the state budget to receive an additional uah 121.8 billion for the security and defense sector. the proposed changes are a balanced approach, which provides for the financing of increased military expenditures on the one hand, and takes into account the needs of the economy on the other, and every hryvnia from these funds will go to finance our victory. increase in military fees and others. they have taxes according to the government's calculations to bring an additional uah 140 billion to the budget. at the same time, the hole from the increase in defense spending is now 500 billion hryvnias, that is, all these proposed tax increases will not be able to cover the entire need for money for the war for this year. representatives of big ukrainian business, economists and some experts have already criticized the government's proposals and predict economic collapse and the death of business due to a sharp increase. taxes, let's listen to what they say: how many tortured cows do not milk, or weak geese

don't pluck, you won't have more milk and feathers in any way, by raising taxes you can only finally send the cow and the goose to the other world, that is, push the economy to the point of collapse. business was very surprised when the tax pressure on it was chosen as the base for budget revenues, when it saw a significant increase in the military levy and in fact a sales tax instead of a simple increase. vat, which would affect everyone, but equally, but the military levy will be paid more by those who are already honest taxpayers, who are not very fair. raise taxes. you can't, it's an architectural thing, neither citizens nor business are ready for it. given the widespread culture of tax evasion in ukraine, increasing taxes will only lead to shadowing of the economy. taxes in ukraine should be reduced and everyone should be taught to pay them. but what do residents of ukrainian cities think about tax increases? our correspondents asked passers-by in rivne and kropyvnytskyi. war

is expensive, the costs are daily, there is no support from... allies as such and weapons, and money, so we need to find some way out, what tax needs to be raised, i will tell you why, because i am watching our people, and no matter what, we have the opportunity to work today, we have the opportunity to go to work today, but i see that people are already quite relaxed and they are not in a hurry to help the front, then it is certain that if they are not in a hurry to help the front, then at least in a legal way. these taxes are raised by the payment of the military levy. ukrainians have no other choice, due to the fact that us just want to destroy well , i have to pay more because i'm a passionate person. i understand that if we always wait for some manna from heaven, excuse me, we will walk with outstretched hand, well, this does not

befit the descendants of the kyiv movement, i am against it. to raise taxes, i have already read about it, i know, it will not affect my budget in any way, i do not work, if they want to supplement the budget, let them cut their salaries, you do not, you do not support it, i think ukrainians will be ready, even before a larger increase in the military levy, the question is how it will be use this money, leak? bitterly opposed, because raising taxes leads to the collapse of the economy, our economy does not exist in general, our economy is artificially supported, everyone knows about it, that is, raising taxes, on the contrary, leads to the collapse of the system, on the budget, of course, it will get worse, because more money will have

to be given this time, and secondly, what are the salaries, the salaries are small, not enough. the second time for a loaf of bread and for a utility, well, generally positive, probably, if you knew exactly what was going there these funds will arrive, so positive, i pay tax, of course for military needs, well, i'm not against it, for example, i'm not against it, i think it's a necessary thing, oleksandr kovalchuk, people's deputy of ukraine , joined our broadcast , party servant. deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on finance, tax and customs policy. welcome to our broadcast, oleksandr, thank you for joining. good day, kateryna, good day to the studio. we just heard people's opinions, it's not sociology, just the opinions of other people streets, and we see that opinions are also different, people have an understanding that the state needs money. and then in this, in this conversation, we will talk

about how the state generally forms communication and its request, and how they explain those or... changes to taxes, but many representatives of well-known businesses in ukraine have already publicly spoken out against the government's initiative and believe this is a tax pressure on those who already work in belarus, because it was possible to simply increase the vat there, you called the government to a dialogue, i have a question for you, why these draft laws from of the government appeared and were they agreed at least in theory, perhaps with yours and other related committees? thank you for that question and for bringing this important topic to light, and no, unfortunately, the government has not made the appropriate communications, or rather no communications at all, with the select committee of which i am a member, the finance committee , taxes and customs policy, despite the fact that it is their direct obligation,

the obligation of the government, the obligation of the ministry of finance to communicate with... society, with the people, with people, with business, with the committee, before making such difficult and complex proposals, and as we heard interesting answers from you, those who were interviewed, people on the streets of ukraine, society is really divided, some say that yes, it really needs to be done , raise taxes in order to fill the budget, accordingly have enough money for the defense budget, others are categorically against, because ... prices will be increased, or who understands the problem more deeply, says that white business will have more burden , a those businesses that are still in the shadows... will remain without any increases as a result of such a proposal, that is, once again, the white business receives more taxes, more liabilities and more burden, and the one

that does not pay excise tax, or the gray one, black business, smuggling and many other things will remain in their interests, that is , they will have more income, which is actually the main reason for ours. our differences of opinion with the ministry of finance, because those proposals that were given on july 18 have already been registered relevant bill on the initiative of the government, has such and such publicity and has such differences, let's say, in views, and therefore we need to do the next thing, which we are actually planning already this week, as part of the work of our committee with ... big business , with business associations, with chambers of commerce and industry, both in ukraine and in the united states and other countries, we plan to hold a number of, at

least six such meetings are already planned, in order to discuss with businesses and representatives of the associations, the consequences of the possibly adopted law in such a version, or a version that could be acceptable for business, for a business association, for society, a version that could be different, it is also discussed within the framework of the initiative of our committee, we communicate with each other, people's deputies of ukraine, committee members , and what could be the alternative in order to accommodate all parties and for the defense budget to receive more funds. and tell me, mr. oleksandr, is there not enough time for this, that is, at the beginning, you probably had to meet with the business, why, and why not was done with your committee, you say you didn't communicate, and maybe it was also communicated with individual representatives of the committee, if you know the answer to this question, tell me, but here is ms. pidlasa, she says that

there is no time, that the military may not receive salaries already at the end of september due to the fact that there is no money in the budget. raksolana pidlasa, head of the budget committee, therefore she defends her positions as a person who is responsible for a sufficient amount of funds in the budget for one or another. program in that salary account military and defense budget. our committee is the committee that is responsible for tax collection, ah, for the level of taxes, also for customs payments and everything related to this, we communicate with the real sector of the economy, with real business, with small enterprises, with large enterprises, with entrepreneurs, with fops, and we clearly understand their pain and their problems that they face today... the other day, i held a meeting with the association, which includes more than 1,200 legal entities of our ukrainian

companies, and heard the following thesis: if this the draft law will be adopted in this version, precisely in the version proposed by the government, then a third of the businesses, the owners with whom we spoke, will simply be forced to close their activities, that is, stop their activities, because... if you close a business that will be taxed in such amount and compare it with income from bank deposit rates or ovdp, then the second scenario turns out to be less risky and more profitable, you see, yes, and this is a huge problem, why hasn't the conversation started previously, i don't know for sure, we spoke with representatives of the ministry several times. of finance that if you plan to increase taxes, let's talk about it before such texts appear in the public sphere, and what we have at the end:

on july 18, a bill was introduced, to date, its negative position on this initiative expressed by absolutely all those who have the right to speak about it, this is the ukrainian chamber of commerce and industry, the american chamber of commerce and industry, many business associations and those organizations which clearly monitor the economic situation in ukraine, their list is very long. yesterday , city united, our it companies united in one huge organization, expressed a joint position that this cannot be done, it can have a catastrophic effect and end disastrously for white business. how does the parliamentarian work? adopted, well, according to the logic

of any decision, any changes to the legislation, especially changes that relate to budget expenditures, there must be some kind of agreement between the various relevant ministries, that is, it turns out that the approach authorities to the same tax rules, it is somewhat chaotic, as if there is no common vision, i don’t know, some joint meetings, you can discuss it all, then there was a relaxation, which was at the beginning of the great war, and here and there the tax benefits are different, as the economist serhiy fursa writes, this is... the first time in history when a warring country not only does not raise taxes, but even makes concessions and removes these taxes, and in the last two years for entrepreneurs, it is unclear at what point the state is now will completely change the rules of the game, who is responsible for a stable vision, this is the ministry of finance, this is the head of the government, this is the president and his managers, and why is there no clarity of this strategy, i return you again to the words of passers-by on the streets, people

understand that in... the budget, the budget it needs to be filled, and people are ready to make certain sacrifices, but there are no rules, and it seems that the state also has no vision, what to do about it? look, rule, kateryna, the right decision is always born in a discussion, and the right decision that suits all parties, in this case, is the interests the state, the interests of the economy, that is , the interests of business and people can only be achieved in... discussion, it would be much worse, i think you will agree with this, if i, as a representative of the pro-government force, would agree with the government's proposal and not rebuke everyone experts , business associations, business common sense, i would say yes, it should be done, yes, mr. oleksandr, you do not have any consistency even within your political force and even from the committee, look, and kateryna, there should not be, because we let's talk each on his own level with business, with people, with representatives of local authorities, as

our heart is called by reason and health. let me ask another question, mr. oleksandr, are you with colleagues who are critical of such an uplift in such a format as this the government did, raising the idea and raising taxes, you knew that this was planned, because they actually talked about it for months, and you could somehow go to prejudice and already call and talk this week, maybe it is too late to do it, i will explain this thing, yes the right of legislative initiative in this country according to the constitution has the president, the government and deputies of the verkhovna rada. no one can tell the government ahead of time that you cannot introduce this or that bill. you and i have many cases when draft laws were submitted by both the people's deputies and the government, which were rejected or changed. this is the same situation now. in order to make the right decision, we have to enter into a dialogue. i emphasize once again that i am simply sorry that the government did not find

the time and opportunity to communicate: with its employers, and i will remind you that the people of ukraine elect the verkhovna rada, and the verkhovna rada elects and appoints the government, to communicate and prove first of all to colleagues from the specialized committee that we are preparing to raise taxes in this way. we have very difficult discussions with the government, with the ministry of finance, there are a large number of professional people, but that does not mean that we do not have comments, and i will tell you more, we see a way out of this situation very simple: we need what we plan to do, as a committee of the verkhovna rada, to meet with a large number of businesses, the business had enough time, relatively speaking, two weeks to apply the proposed model to their existing business and say, what will happen to my business if such taxes are really introduced, first, second, when we hear this position, we are within the framework of the work of our committee, and we work every day, despite the fact that our next meeting will only be at

the end of august, the work of the committee... does not stop for a day, we will come out with our proposal based on the interests of ukrainian business and ukrainian people, we will offer our version so that it can be accepted and so that it can ensure income to the budget. moreover, i really liked what the average ukrainian woman said, very correctly , that we should start with savings, so our proposal will include what the government has. to ensure, on the one hand, revenues to the budget due to the effective use of funds and, on the other hand, due to the possible increase of taxes for the period of war, for the period of martial law, how much is it in some other taxes, and not those that were in the proposed list, you understand, yes, we have a lot of sources of income, which even you and i do not understand today, that they can

squeeze even more out of themselves, well, conditionally, yes, taxes? i do not understand this, it is justified, but if...