sb, and when i talk about good words about lviv operas, i can't say the same about the service that is supposed to control these electronic e-e points of production and zombification of, let's say, immature personalities. this is the task of the security service of ukraine. their cyber-intelligence had to figure them out, if they can't shut them down, then introduce their agency there and know everything. which is being prepared by these fsb recruiting and bombing centers. unfortunately, this was not done. if you ask serhiy temene, why? so you know that answer because that unit was busy following up on by journalists, anti-corruption officers, by filming female journalists in saunas. for other things, and a little released his main state task. and serious conclusions must be drawn from this. that's all i can say about this case. yuriytach, well, in my memory,

there were many such political... murders in ukraine, if you take it, i don't know if it is possible to qualify the death of chornovol, it is not completely clear whether it was a murder or not, you know it for sure, i am sure that you have seen all these cases and you know the details of these cases, hetman, chornovol, the same yury kravchenko, and gongadze, and sheremet, and varaninkov, this deputy of the former state duma, that is... we seem to have some executors, and all executors receive either terms, in the version with sheremet there was a story when they turned out to be executors, probably not those, or there was not enough evidence regarding the fact that all this was hanged on antonenko and duke kuzmenko, and there is no evidence that they did it, why we always have a problem with the investigation of political murders, well, political murders are one of the most difficult.

for the reason that a politician always has a lot enemies, there are instantly dozens of versions of a possible customer, and secondly, as a rule , such murders are generously financed and well prepared, if we are dealing with the fsb, and i am personally convinced that the gangadze case, the shermet case, the voronenkov case, the case now i cannot remember, a journalist was killed in kherson before the war, er... and fayon's case, this is one and the same handwriting, one of the murder bureau located in moscow in the premises of the former kgb. it is always difficult to reveal. still, we found performers. and in the chornovol case, the executors and the organizer are established. well, she is adze pukach, that's for sure, this is the organizer. that is, the customer is not kuchma. the customer has my deep conviction.

the federal service of russia, the fsb, well, if only because in order to bind kuchma, yes, kuchma, who declared that ukraine should join nato, literally two months later got this murder, which was hanged on him, yes, he is guilty of creating a regime in which his opponents or critics were persecuted by the power vertical, but at least no ... impressions were obtained anywhere that he ordered him killed, that he spoke ill of him under various procorative situations, right? but i apologize, major melnychenko eventually appeared in moscow, on red square, and demanded from kuchma from kupny, for his tapes and received them several million dollars, and refused to come, the russians paid him for these no ukrainians, and when after the victorious maidan his. .. we invited

him to testify, he categorically refused and only appeared in yanukovych's ukraine in order to continue his business. i absolutely convinced that it was beneficial to the fsb, because kuchma was politically isolated all over the world, people like you, probably, and i, went to rallies, to film the dictatorial regime that kills journalists, but you were the leader of the protests, ukraine without kuchma, one of, and then ku'. driven into a corner by isolation in the west and protests here, he went to moscow and received a smotrychto with the surname medvedchuk, after that the path of ukraine through the power of yanukovych was simply a highway. this was the result of the murder of journalist gangadze. we can talk about other there's just probably not enough time, well, we can also mention the attempt to kill yushchenko, because this case is somehow the same, right. everyone must

understand that there is yushchenko's case and everyone there as well, what has been established, tevachenko told me that everything was established, even where this dioxin was from, there was only a matter to be filed in court, the dioxin was brought from moscow by plane, it was established by whom, but knowing and proving are different things, and that is why a large group of mrs. halyna klymovych, well, collected hundreds of volumes of documents, examinations, etc., but evidence on a specific person, even if he was in ukraine, was not obtained, but again, politically, it is absolutely clear, they did not want to kill yushchenko, they wanted yushchenko. children, so that he becomes incapacitated, like a person who worked for viktor andreyevich for the first few years after the dying revolution, i will tell you that the first year he was very weak, and it was very difficult for him to get out of this terrible condition,

and when i could not for a long time to understand this, if they wanted to, why didn't they poison, because they didn't want to kill, but to kill incapacitated a vegetable, but the body, well, they rushed to the doctors in time, if... another one was needed, but the doctors worked in time and yushchenko was able to, well , come out, at least in a living state, and then it was already functional, that's why it happened, and i'm sorry if not so much political orders, but constantly, when something quieted down on the maidan, provocateurs appeared immediately, who were commanded by the fsb group that was sitting in the kozatsky hotel, and when the bloody shooting began on the maidan. if i am not mistaken, there are 20 phone calls between yanukovych and putin, as well as ministers between russian and ukrainian security forces constantly called each other, and this completely coincides with the waves of violence that took place on the maidan. putin just pushed, kill them, chase

them, seize power. so look, we live next door to a country that considers any method acceptable, from terrorism to war. if you and i were talking. i will work on the whole topic, for example , in 20, well, let’s say, in the 13th year, you would say that i am a fantasist, but after the 14th and after the 22nd, well, it all comes together in a single scheme, another question, of course, everyone who us now he is looking, asking why you didn't catch them, who, the fsb? well, even the british special services, which established exactly the people who tripled, the refugee on the territory of britain, the skarpals, yes. all this is there, but they cannot establish any of them, because they hid in russia, by the way, they also worked in ukraine at the beginning of the war, and they cannot name the exact customer, because this is the essence of a political order, the order itself is spoken in

the room where there are one or two people, but we have forgotten, let's say kravchenko. but about krevchenko before this, not until now it is clear how he shot himself twice in the head, there are such cases, well, there are such cases, look, the question is not how many times it happens that a person stabs his heart with a fork five times, there are convulsions, there are special , well, how can we say, this is an extreme situation, everything happens, that is, he was not killed, but it does not happen when a person shoots a second time, there is no blood in the lungs, at least one. since he had to inhale blood, there is no blood in his lungs, what does this mean? imagine the shots, was the first and control, he was helped to leave this world, it was not a murder, it was a suicide, but with an assistant, well you, you never found those who helped him, i have a version about this,

because this person left ukraine very quickly after that, a person from his close circle , and... who left immediately after the funeral, but again to prove something, well, first of all, this case was not in the hands of the ministry of internal affairs and in the hands of the sbu, which is also very strange for me, but look, there are other stories, for example , by the same angadze, yes , a bunch of characters were tied there, but dagaev died from poisoning, but there many people, after that, a few more from poisoning, that is, she worked here with impunity. the system of sleeping and open agents, including residents of the fsb, worked absolutely calmly. and pavanchenko could be right about what, because everyone knew these residents, and official residents in the embassy, ​​and not so official ones who simply openly recruited our

employees, including for terrorism, in the ukrainian sbu, attention, it was officially forbidden to recruit any - any citizen of the russian federation to. this despite the fact that everything we were permeated by their agency, so now we are just coming out of this comatose state of colonialism. in which they were, i think that our special services have now become 10 times stronger, the russian agency is 100 times better, we have to complete it, and this means that ukraine is becoming a full-fledged state, which can now know who their enemies are, who their friends are. thank you, it was yuriy lutsenko, don't switch. there are discounts representing the only discounts on exodoril (15% cotton). the travel guide will save you money. when you sleep on an uneven surface, the spine takes wrong position, because you cannot

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the hungarian prime minister predicts disintegration of europe and the strengthening of the global south. why has the european union not shown hungary the door yet? demobilization on pause. the leadership of the parliament is not yet ready to consider the draft law on limiting the term of military service. will you agree? parliamentary majority. we will talk about this and other things with our guests in the next 45 minutes. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you join. before our survey, today, friends, we ask you about whether it is time for negotiations between ukraine and russia, yes, no, on youtube is pretty simple, either yes or no, if you have an opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you 're watching us on tv, pick up your smart phone or phone and vote on the phones if you think it's time for talks between ukraine and russia 0.800

211-381, no, 0800-211-382, all calls. numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce the guests of today's studio, this is yevgenia kravchuk, a people's deputy from the servant of the people, deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on humanitarian and information policy, chairman of the pari committee on culture, science, media and sports, mrs. yevgenia, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. rostyslav pavlenko, people's deputy of ukraine from european solidarity, member of the committee. of the parliament from the parliamentary committee on education, science and innovation. mr. rostislav, i congratulate you, thank you for joining the broadcast. good evening, thank you for the invitation. andrii osadchuk, people's deputy of ukraine from the voice, first deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on law enforcement. mr. andriy, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our program. good evening,

thank you for inviting me. so, ladies and gentlemen, as we ask our viewers whether? in their opinion, is it time for negotiations between russia and ukraine? i will ask you about this too, today the president of finland spoke about it, that it is already time for the ukrainians and russians to come to an agreement, mrs. evgenia, in your opinion, is it time to sit down at the transition table, or is it still some circumstances that force ukraine to delay this negotiation process for the time being, and in particular. the position of putin himself and russia? seeing russia at the negotiating table is not an end in itself. although, of course, any wars, they eventually end with some kind of peace document, and even the second world war, it also ended, well, in fact , with the confirmation that fascist germany

had capitulated. of course, in our case , for... successful results of any negotiations, there must be two things: pressure on pain on the battlefield and a strong position of ukraine on the battlefield and diplomatic pressure, the more countries join this diplomatic pressure on russia, the better, that is why the maximum number of countries were invited to the peace summit so that they would join those basic rules, so basic. values ​​on which a just peace for ukraine should be built. thank you, ms. evgenia, mr. rostislav, do you think it is time for talks between ukraine and russia? well, it seems to me that two very important conditions have not yet been fulfilled: first, the racist army has not yet been unleashed on the territory of ukraine, and secondly, the russian economy, everything that is capable

of supporting efforts to attempt aggression, therefore... any negotiations are meaningless and, first of all, because russia is not going to enter into any negotiations, it sets completely unacceptable conditions, so it seems to me that that all efforts should now be directed, diplomatically, to strengthening support for ukraine, assistance to ukraine, both military and financial, and increasing pressure on russia, first of all, sanctions, this is probably the surest way to peace. thank you, mr. rostislav, mr. andrii. well, you know, the further you go, the more you get the impression that everyone is very war-weary, and that's true, but it looks like europe is more war-weary than ukraine, and it looks like european politicians are more war -weary , than ukrainians, and ukraine and the armed forces of ukraine. i would highly recommend to all european politicians who utter the word negotiations, and

who utter the phrase, it's time to hold negotiations in ukraine and so on, to ask themselves questions. or everything they have done in the last 29 months to force putin and putin's russia to retreat, did they do everything to ensure that the sanctions were effective, or did they do everything to ensure that ukraine received all the necessary resources to face a much stronger and more powerful enemy than ukraine is today, and we know the answer to these questions, nothing has been done until today. and at the same time, we all know that the only thing vladimir putin is ready for is the surrender of ukraine and, together with ukraine, the west. he has talked about it several times in recent months clearly. in his imagination. the constitution of the russian federation requires everyone to recognize it, in fact it requires the whole world to humble itself before it and

implement, excuse me, into the toilet, such a concept as international law, so these are all manipulations that in no way lead to the establishment of peace in europe, so we must be very rigid in their positions, at the same time, i understand how difficult it is for zelenskyi, i understand how hard the pressure is. to the bank in order for ukraine to also, allegedly in quotation marks, demonstrate its readiness for negotiations, because the wider world has the impression that only china and russia want peace, and ukraine and the west want war, which of course is the exact opposite, but at the same time, i think zelensky is simply forced to say that we are ready for some negotiations, ready for some dialogue, exclusively as a response to this the pressure that he and bankov experience on a daily basis. probably, but no signs, no grounds, no points that could lead to negotiations, really negotiations, i don't see yet, and probably simply because there are none,

but the president of finland, alexander stup, whom i mentioned, said in an interview to the french newspaper lemont that the conditions for peace negotiations between ukraine and russia have already been created, i will quote the president of finland, a country that helps us and supports us in this difficult time. quite actively, as oleksandr stup says: now we are approaching the moment when negotiations should begin. the reality is that china, the countries of the global south and russia should be involved in these negotiations. at the same time, in an interview with the japanese tv channel nhk, president zelensky said that ukraine will prepare a peace plan by the end of november, this year, it is understood, but cannot yet respond to calls for a ceasefire. listen. what did the president of ukraine say. patience, help and diplomatic pressure. here are three factors for a just war to end. if the us and

european countries maintain unity, it will be additional pressure and show moscow that it has no chance. ms. yevgenia, maybe you know something about the new plan, the peace plan of zelenskyi, because i remember that in june 2024 of that year, we and the world stopped at three points out of zelenskyi's 10 points, seven points were transferred from this meeting in switzerland , and it is not clear, now these are seven points that have been moved to november, or the new plan that will be in november will be completely new? it is precisely based on those ten points that were voiced and about which the whole world knows, and by the way, it is good that so... in the year 22, these points were fixed, because in fact , the support of the countries there is based on them, who

signed the communiqué after bürgenstock and, in general, our partners, yes, that is, they clearly understand what these positions are important for ukraine, what will happen before the second summit, well, at least what was the preliminary plan, really three points were chosen as the first, because they are the most unifying, well, who is against food security there, or against the return of hostages to their homes, including kidnapped ukrainian children , and now such working groups will be held at the level of advisers, political leaders, and they will be on the topics of these three points, first, if i am not mistaken, in qatar on energy security, then turkey is maritime shipping and food security and... and canada will to host a group that deals with the return, or there writing a plan, the return of all prisoners, and prisoners of war, and civilians,

and children who were abducted by russia, but also the next step will be to work out seven other points, and here i hope that there will be communication from office of the president, or rather i am sure that there will be communication, all these meetings, especially when the meetings are at the level of advisers, they are quite public, in parallel, of course, that ukraine is interested in strengthening its defense, strengthening air defense, and we no longer they only promise, but also transfer additional air defense systems, and of course, part of the strengthening of air defense will be transferred to f-16s. and of course, in general, it is necessary to plan for the following years, and it is very important that a decision on the transfer was made at the j7 level.

50 billion, which is formed actually from the advance proceeds from taxation of frozen assets, and it is very important that they can be spent on defense. thank you, ms. evgenia, mr. rostislav, obviously this agreement, well, we now call it a peace agreement there, or whether the agreement on peace in ukraine, or on the achievement of peace in ukraine, it. will obviously have some legal status, and obviously, if this is an international agreement, then obviously it will also pass through the verkhovna rada of ukraine, is it fair that at the current stage, during the preparation of this document, people's deputies of ukraine, in the broad sense of this words, not five or six there, not three people's deputies, not involved in the formation of some proposals,

peace proposals. of ukraine or negotiating proposals of ukraine? well, i think so in general, the verkhovna rada, all factions, and all factions that support ukraine and the european euro-atlantic choice, could be involved to work effectively, because this vacanali, which occurs with the non-release of deputies, some absolutely illogical and illegal restrictions, they actually limit the deputies, not so much. as the possibilities of ukraine, because now we are at the stage where the demonstration of unity, and indeed, even this broadcast of ours shows that in these issues, regardless of the faction, we all support one single pro-ukrainian position, that is, this unity it is worth demonstrating externally, and all the representatives of the factions represented here do it, and this would be an absolutely more

effective means of conveying. the position of ukraine, convey the points that peace for ukraine is a return to its territorial integrity, this is, after all, this is also in the plan of president zelensky, regarding the restoration of territorial integrity, the expulsion of russia's troops beyond the borders of internationally recognized borders, the actual return of russia, compensation by russia the damage caused, respectively. the range of russian war criminals, all this has to be achieved, but we saw that during this peace summit, the countries of the so-called global south, well, they did not really support it, because the number of signatories, let's say, is significantly smaller than the number of participants, and even those three points, which are really few in who would

seem to be alarmed, well no... we had the support of all participants, and i think that it is worth simply abandoning some kind of fetishization, some summits and other things, work very clearly on positions that really lead to ukrainian victory, this is strengthening support for ukraine, this is an increase in support for the armed forces of ukraine, and this is an increase in pressure on russia, sanctions pressure, first of all, diplomatic pressure on all fronts. in order for russia to understand the inevitability of the scenario of leaving ukraine and suffering the consequences of its aggression, because everything else just pushes putin to understand that he will press a little more, advance another 2 km in the donetsk region and the west will fall at his feet, and that's it. what andriy said, yes, he will be able to simply make

fun of international law, that is, there is such a russian word. to be he did not succeed, there is only one way to peace, it is the unification of all democratic countries, and for this we need all pro-ukrainian and pro-european factions to be able to participate in clarifying the ukrainian position abroad. but i wonder if hungary can be considered a democratic country, where prime minister viktor orban says that ukraine will never become a member of the eu and nato, and that the global power in the world will move from the irrational west to asia and russia. let's listen to how he says it, by the way. what we are facing is actually is a change in the world system. this process starts from asia. briefly and primitively speaking, in the next long, long decades, and maybe even centuries, since the previous world system also...