channel espresso. good evening, we are from ukraine. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. the most massive drone attack on the capital. of the nine dozen enemy shaheds shot down that night, 30 were aimed at kyiv. what is missing in the armed forces? to shoot down russian missiles and planes just as effectively. military vehicles were set ablaze. the security service of ukraine is increasingly reporting on the detention of policemen acting on the instructions of the fsb. what other subversive activities can the russian special services conduct in the ukrainian body. dynamic development dialogue ukrainian diplomacy hopes for possible participation. in interim meetings

on the eve of the second global peace summit, when we can expect a visit to kyiv by minister vanni. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our country. i can let's talk about the f-16 fighters, which, according to information from the bloomberg agency, have already appeared in ukraine, whether it is true or not, about how our ukrainian special forces are working against russian troops in syria and mali and not only in these countries, but also about the election campaign that is starting in the united states of america. we talk about this all the time. for two hours, in the first

part of our program, our guests will be roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, sbu colonel, ivan stupak, former sbu employee, military expert, and oleg hrybachuk, a politician and public figure. in the second part of our program, we will have two political experts, one doctor of political sciences, maksym rozumny and doctor of historical sciences, oleksiy koshel. before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch the video of how this night the russian invaders tried to attack the ukrainian state, 89 attack drones and one kh-59 missile, they launched on the territory of the ukrainian state, all targets were shot down by our defenders of the sky, the invaders directed zeysk aircraft. kursk and

primorye-akhtar region, let's see how the ukrainian defenders repelled the enemy attack. glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death russian occupiers. throughout our broadcast, friends, we conduct polls. today we ask you about the following: are you ready for a tax increase in... in ukraine,

yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, please write your opinion, if it is separate from these two simple answers under this video, if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote with the appropriate numbers 0800 211 381, if you are ready to raise taxes in ukraine and not 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote for... at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we have our first guest, roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence, colonel of the sbu. mr. colonel, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. i wish you health, i wish you. sir, mr. colonel, information appeared today that the first airplanes appeared in ukraine. f-16 and

even some publics i have already passed before broadcast, they even published a photo, they say, these fighter jets are already in the sky over odesa. do you know whether these planes are already in ukraine, or is this a military secret and it can be made public only after these planes are used in the russian-ukrainian war? look, this is really information that is under the seal of secrecy, and let's put it this way, i would not like to answer this information there, let these official answers be given by our supreme commander there or representatives of the military. them forces, and well confirm or deny this information. before that , information appeared, mr. colonel, that by the end of the year ukraine will receive no more than 10-12 f-16 fighters, this is due to the fact that only 24 pilots were trained to fly the

f-16, and they say , there are two pilots for each aircraft according to technology. and since there are not enough of these pilots, ukraine will not receive more planes. what are the current needs of ukraine in f-16 aircraft, i.e. how many aircraft do we need in order to use them to the maximum extent to, er, to oppose the russian federation? well, you see here, i guess not how much sometimes plays the quantity, how the quality plays, if we say how many planes we need of the old modification, well they are. are more suitable for e-e combating air targets, very well suited for combating shaheds, and let’s say, this is a fact, and there with cruise missiles, but if it is an old modification, then they are very vulnerable to

russian air defense and to russian aviation, if they will be them, well, if we try to cover them up. support our troops, because there the old modification has weak radars, which, in order to to give an impression, you have to fly very close to the front line, and the russian planes are modern, they have better radars, and of course they will hit the f-16, so we understand that, after all, when we talk about modern f-16s, which we want to get, let's say , which ones we trained pilots for. then this is generally a model of the 70s, and they are of various modifications, there are older ones, and there are the newest ones, which are modified by the module that already allows it, the newest one, allows you to oppose or be on a par with airplanes, uh, exactly russian, therefore here the question is, even though we will have, for

example, 100 planes with old modules, they will allow us to close the sky and maintain parity somewhere on certain directions. air, for example, on the territory of ukraine, or ee, or strike somewhere limited, supporting the troops on the battlefield from some distance, if it will be, let's say, more modern versions, this is a completely different ee direction, this is the securing of our advanced positions from the cabals that currently prevail in the russian federation, with the help of which it succeeds in some areas, it is completely a different schedule, impressions on, say, targets on the territory of the russian federation, including, well, plus, a large role is still played by the range of weapons that will be transferred or transferred together with aircraft, this is also of great importance, well, plus them, we survive

of these planes, we understand that russia has cruise missiles that, in principle, cover all our airfields and... if they hit any bunker, even a modern one, in principle, there are 500 kg of explosives, for example, in the caliber or in iskander, they allow you to destroy any plane that is, well, in such a shelter there in the hangar, even a large concrete one there, eh, so there is also a question here, if there are hundreds of them there, an important question will arise, it is to disperse them in this way and cover the airfields in order to so that the russians would not give the impression of using the same roads there for the ascent. them, which are adapted for this, that is , there are a lot of challenges, of course, it would be better if our partners allowed us somewhere for our such to be, for example, so here the question is precisely the armed forces and the air forces will look at how many of them are handed over to us, how many of them we can receive, where

they can defend themselves, when we need them, what tasks they should be involved in so that our air combat capability to deter the enemy does not disappear in one battle there, because the enemy... but at the moment, no matter how much is transferred to us, we will not increase quickly, because you said correctly, there are not enough pilots trained and there are not so many in europe there and in the world e. military bases that can quickly train pilots, and russia already has an advantage in modern ones su-34, so35, 31 aircraft, they already exist, and they are already working on it, so we will gradually build up, to say that the planes will come there now, and we will immediately gain air superiority, it is not, but we need to move in this direction at least to parity, so that russia does not feel so free on the line of contact, and of course, the issue of our cover... from massed strikes of shaheds, as there were in the swineherd, or cruise missiles. well, by the way, the wall street

journal, in parallel with bloomberg's information, writes that the united states america will arm f-16s, which will be supplied to ukraine by american missiles. according to them, citing their unnamed sources, but they cite sources, it's air-to- ground missiles, air-to-air missiles. air, high-precision bomb guidance kits and small-diameter bombs, these weapons can be used on the territory of the russian federation, as the wall street journal writes in response to attacks from abroad. you have already mentioned, mr. colonel, about the mass attack by attack drones on the night of july 31, this it was not the biggest mass attack in the last six months, in the last one, well, in particular, in kyiv , it was on the night of the first. on january 2024, 89

drones that night, attack drones and one kh-59 missile were shot down by our defense forces, how did it manage to achieve such efficiency in shooting down attack drones, let's say, organized system... work of all means and planning of all our air defense means, which are and are entering the service of our country. well, the f-16 wasn't in the air yet, i understand, because it seems like it was we had a superweapon that allowed 89 drones, the ones that were launched, they were all shot down, good work. you see, we're learning, i hope that answers the

question of why, why did, uh, everything happened, or should we expect that in parallel with how yesterday the russians launched these strike drones and tested their strategic aircraft, long-range strategic aircraft , but which was not involved in the shelling of ukrainian territory, that in the next few days we will see some kind of combined. attack on ukraine and these strategic bombers were tested in order to inflict an even greater blow on the territory of the ukrainian state? yes, this is a tactic of the russians, with the help of the shaheds , they try to detect our air defense equipment, when the shaheds fly, that’s where it starts, well, it’s a system, a military system, let’s say this, the technical system works, they look at where our radars work, where in we are activated

there by means of air defense, they notice us there with the help of special special means, they notice us in order to then deliver more massive strikes, and so on more, let's say so, with cruise missiles that are expensive there, or let's say ballistic missiles, well, i don't know what they will do after this massive... strike after, well, almost all the shaheds were successfully shot down, and here a big thanks to ours, let's say so , to the air force, that they have worked so comprehensively, and now whether russia will launch a missile attack in the near future, i think they will think carefully, firstly, but we have to expect this, it will depend on what data they have taken during the period when these blows were inflicted on us, when we destroyed, how they... looked at the placement, how they assessed, uh, our air defense capabilities, and now

it will follow from that what decision they will make, either to strike, that they are able to pass our air defense forces there by other routes, or, will do something in order to wear it down so that the missiles there achieve their goals, it will already depend on their planning and on the conclusions they have made, but i will say again, we have worked quite successfully, i think that they will be over what to think colonel, let's talk about what the situation is is formed around the temporary yar and in general at the front, since... most military experts talk about a creeping offensive of the russians. oleg kalashnikov, the head of the press service of the 26th artillery brigade named after general horunju roman dashkevich, oleg kalashnikov, reported on the espresso broadcast about the tense situation on the northern flank of the temporal ravine, but , as he says, there is no direct threat to the surroundings of the city. let's hear what

oleg kalashnikov said. it can always be in the future. any threat in that case and encirclement, but today the enemy does not seem to be able to carry out these plans, these are his very first plans, when he was just starting the offensive at the time, he had such a desire to really go in from the flanks, to besiege the city under fire control, but he did not succeed and he was forced to storm the city of vlom. to this day, he continues to carry out exactly this plan of his, but it can be said that he can surround the times like an elephant. and to take him like that, it would not be untrue. mr. colonel, how do you assess the development situation events at the front, will this be a continuation of the creeping creeping offensive of the russians, or can the nature of the hostilities change? well, it will again

depend on, first, on the decision of the russians on their further actions, now. it is strategic for them, we have already talked about it many times, the decision has not changed, it is to take full control of the donetsk and luhansk regions, that is why they are now throwing all their resources in order to gradually, as we see, try and advance in one direction or another , where, as they say, subtly, they then begin to develop now, well, there is success there, we are afraid, we see there the lyman direction, the kupyan direction, the direction of toretsk, the direction of pokrovsk, and the enemy is trying to... advance there, these are creeping offensives, there really is nothing strategic there, i am watching the build-up of forces there five people, they attack ten, somewhere there are several units of equipment, there are no such mass attacks by battalions, but they widely use artillery, in which they have a sufficient advantage, the same cabs, airplanes, as we said, striking our

territory, our advanced positions, drones are also widely used. but let's say this, they advance there by 100-200 m, but our defenders cause them, well, let's say this, very heavy losses, there sometimes one to three, to four, if proportionally, then well , they bear really big losses, well, here the advantage is that we are on the defensive, they have an advantage, of course, that they have a much larger variety of artillery and aviation weapons, they can afford, use, chaotic. how much, how much they need, so the donetsk direction, it is the most difficult, and of course go there now, let's say yes, all the attention of our leadership of the country's army is focused on the zaporizhzhia direction, there is basically a verniyiv direction there, what i see from the summary, the enemy practically does not attack, well, it did not attack,

it is only the most active there. if we take the zaporozhian direction as the direction of robotino, where the enemy is conducting such offensive actions, active actions, trying to regain the lost positions, to displace our defenders there, it is a quieter direction, because the enemy, well, relatively yes, we are now, if we compare with donbass, and the kherson direction, here, let's say, the river is again specific. there are the remains of bridgeheads on the left bank, but the basis is now artillery duels and combat operations on the islands located between the right and left banks of the dnieper, where, by the way, the enemy is advancing little by little, trying to capture all the islands, take them under control, and if

he does that, well, then there may be a threat that, theoretically, a pro... student can create a mirror, well, try to create classrooms somewhere on our territory, there in the kozatsky district or in the area of ​​other populated areas, this task is now up to the command, which is located here, to prevent this as much as possible, and as always , to do all this in conditions of limited resources, first of all artillery, there is aviation, everything, unfortunately, all our commanders perform combat tasks in most conditions. limited resources, mr. colonel, is russia ready for a protracted war, that is, do they have enough opportunities to increase the pace and... in the conditions of a war economy to create more tanks, more armored vehicles, more weapons, do they still have ceiling, above

which they simply cannot jump, and everything will develop in the way that they will have enough resources, finances and opportunities, which are one way or another tied to international sanctions, there is a ceiling, of course, but russia... a country and you know , as such economic, as a rule, that the markets can be irrational, more than we are solvent, yes, the situation there can worsen, but for example, russia can reach the edge there, and our situation, because we have less resources, there is less money and there are different situations happening inside the country, then, of course, russia has more opportunities... a protracted economy, well, a protracted war, what are we, if our partners will not help us, no matter what, we have to speak, ee directly and look at things realistically, that we are in

the majority of help and the conduct of war depends specifically on partners, even the fact that we are given aid now, even when those 60 billion were voted, we say that aid, artillery, shells, there is a variety and a different nomenclature, i constantly look there every week what comes to us, the ministry of defense reports to us, but you watch a lot of it there, but when you start to watch it in parts, well, let's say, it would be 50% more, then if you talk about a war of such a scale, about the capabilities that russia has, they build up, they build up, well, as a rule, in their base they built up ammunition, well, of all calibers, they enlisted the support of their own. er, let's say this, satellites, partners, there is iran, north korea, which gives them ammunition, data of that quality, but er, gives them equipment,

they leave at the expense of repairs from which removed from storage bases, but they are there, they still have, you know, if they are there using t-72, they have a lot of them there, yes, they need to be repaired, but not to do it from scratch, yes, they are not modern tanks, but these are tanks, so then they have another 62nd and then at some echelons they even see 55-54th, and they still have this nomenclature, they can use it, so russia can wage a protracted war , the question is whether she will need it, when we ask her losses, she will understand that she is losing its combat capabilities, not just in the war with ukraine, but it is weaker not in front of ukraine, but in front of the whole world, which is watching it. and what will happen to russia when it loses its combat capabilities, yes there are nuclear weapons, but everyone understands that this is a game, let's say, that has no

winners, so once again, russia has the opportunity to wage a long war, will it be negative for to tell her, yes, are they ready to endure, well, you and i see that they endure, i think they are ready to endure for a while, so we should also not say now and no, we will say yes, don't get your hopes up that here we have autumn and that's it, the war is over there, we have to set ourselves up for a long journey in the struggle for independence, raise the defense-industrial complex, train soldiers, prepare our replacements, let's say so, eh a resource that will continue to ensure that ukraine remains a sovereign, independent state, because i say once again, we are fighting a strong enemy with which, well, i don't know, a country that could, let's say, quickly cope with it. thank you, colonel, for the conversation, it was roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, colonel of the security service of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and

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, and ivan stupak, military expert, former employee of the security service of ukraine. mr. ivan, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations, congratulations, thank you very much for inviting me today. well, first of all, let's talk about the participation of the ukrainian special services or special forces, on the territories of other states, against the russian occupiers, because in addition to the small story that has literally been alive for several days, and the possible participation or involvement of the main intelligence agency. of the ministry of defense of ukraine to the special operation to destroy the wagnerites on the border of mali and algeria, more information appeared today that gur struck on the russian base in syria, and this was learned by kyivpost today, they refer to sources in the special service, meaning in the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, the gurkhimik special unit struck at the end of july another strike against the positions

of the russian federation troops in syria, this... once by russian equipment at the kuveres airfield east of aleppo. according to the publication , the strike was carried out on july 25, the day after putin's meeting with bashar assad, the president of syria, in the ukrainian rosita they say that the russians are using the airfield to train and send foreign mercenaries to war against ukraine. so, mr. ivan, please tell me, did the ukrainian special services have more opportunities? to work on foreign territory against the russian occupiers, and we are now watching how gur and other special forces of ukraine can and do fight against the russian occupiers on the territory of other states, what is this connected with? well, a little more time has appeared, i 'm kidding, of course we have something to do, of course, let's do it, here's what you've shown now in the video, so far in the last time, it's the only verified confirmation that

ukraine is present. well, for the last, let's say, six months, i have been present outside of ukraine. last year, there were reports about sudan, where the appointees of the gur also chased the wagnerites with dirty towels, but somehow it was not very strongly confirmed there. just this week, there was a video, i apologize, the photo is from mali, which seems to show these tuaregs standing there with the ukrainian flag, but it was literally yesterday. this version was shot and it was found out by fact-checking that this ukrainian flag was artificially added, by means of photos, that is, it was unpleasant there, but now syria has one hundred percent verification that the group's appointees were there, here is this piece of paper with the gur logo, that is, it does not allow ambiguous interpretation that the corpses were, they were clearly, they show, clearly

at least destroyed, that is. .. one unit of equipment, it was called a radio electronic warfare system, after which the destruction of equipment on the airfield at the airfield began, and there is a video on the network where it seems that the military is marching through the airfield, then the sound of a drone, an explosion, and the video is interrupted, no i know how effective the flight was, but it was definitely there and maybe there tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, we will see or hear the first results, but in any case... the work is being done, everything is being done so that the russian mercenaries do not feel at ease, even on those far from ukraine, this is done in order to reduce their political presence on the territory of syria, by the way, bashar-assad has been the president for more than 12 years, 13, i apologize, in his position, thanks to the intervention of the russian federation, in fact, he was supposed to fall, fall back

in... year, well, by the way, the same story with the wagnerites, it happened there four years after the special operation to arrest the wagnerites failed, well, somewhere around the same days that was all, and andrii yusov, the head of the press service of the ministry of defense, the main department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, says that ukrainian intelligence is checking the statements of the tuareg rebels. izmali regarding their readiness to hand over to ukraine captured mercenaries of the russian pmk wagner. let's hear what mr. yusav said. that rebels, received the necessary information and not only information that allowed them to conduct a successful operation against russian war criminals, that's it.