save more for the next year, so you can decide on this periodicity, but if the business goes into the shadows anyway, will it come out of the shadows after the taxes return to their places? i have a question about this. olga, thank you very much, olga vasylevska smaglyuk, people's deputy, servant of the people and deputy chairman of the committee on finance, tax and customs policy, we talked about the prospect of raising taxes for ukrainians, which may happen in the near future, thank you very much. well, we continue to discuss this topic, but now with representatives of business, roman vashchuk, business ombudsman in ukraine, joins our broadcast, i welcome you, good day, good day, a hypothetical question, if the verkhovna rada meets soon and they accept all the proposals of the government, now taxes are raised, military fees are raised for the purchase of cars, for the sale of real estate there and so on, what will happen? what are the consequences you know,

if you forecast on the basis of behavioral economics, as it happens in ukraine, then there may be a short-term or long-term application, well , a little linear on these taxes, but a lot will flow into the shadows, i think your previous guests probably talked about this, and there will be a feeling among law-abiding legitimate businesses that almost the entire burden has been shifted to them. and then, they will get together, they will all close the business, because i talked to the businessmen, they paint very apocalyptic pictures, that the whole business will simply close, leave the country and there will be nothing here. i think it's a little bit.

ukrainian business is too apocalyptic, regardless extremely resilient, and it does not close so easily, but i think there will be a feeling of resentment in the future, this is in particular because during the last year and a half,... not enough was done to push the shadow, the shadow business in ukraine, into a clear sight and quiet waters, so to speak, and thus, people who work according to the rules feel that not only their obedience to the law is not appreciated, but on the contrary, that they are to some extent additionally burdened by it, then,

say, please, roman, and what kind of business offers do you communicate with by various representatives of business, they are indignant, they are offended, but at the same time, government officials say that we have a hole in the budget, and here we are at war, and in the fall there will be nothing even to pay the salaries of the military, well, if you criticize and protest, go ahead the proposal that the business is proposing now, uh, you know, i can't speak for the whole business, i can tell you what we see from our point of view, and we, on the one hand, are not experts in determining, in determining the level of taxes, and this is not an obbutsmen's role, but we know what problems there are in ukraine with administration taxes, so i've already seen it as well, let's say in the statements of the chamber of commerce and industry, some others, eh, that business representatives who admit that yes, the state needs to close... this hole that appeared in the budget,

they prefer to be exalted existing taxes than to come up with some new ones, as this military levy, as a turnover tax, which will create even more, means confusion, in the already very complex world of ukrainian tax administration and thereby create levers for conversations, tax ... with business that itself then does not necessarily create higher incomes, but probably higher corruption risks, this is this is what you hear from entrepreneurs, right? yes, i think most of the entrepreneurs that i have talked to recently, they are realists, they understand that it is not possible to finance the defense sector

based on the structure of revenues from february 23 , 2022. i will also tell you, in addition, as a person who is not a ukrainian taxpayer, but i am a taxpayer in canada, where i pay, in the end, about twice the percentage of what people in to ukraine, the fact that half of the ukrainian budget is paid by taxpayers of other countries, this should also be taken into account, teachers of ukraine, joint broadcasting of ukraine, all of them, all of this is paid by taxpayers of other countries. ukrainians pay the armed forces of ukraine. and if there is a need to fill the hole there, then you have to be ready for it, but the way that least harms

, er, legitimate business in ukraine, and at the same time it is necessary, and here you can refer, for example, to yesterday's and... before yesterday's statements ms. pena pritzker, to show that the government is also ready to take the money that is already in shadows for years, and it is hundreds of millions of dollars. we just quoted mrs. pritzker, she advised ukraine to put customs in order, fight shadow schemes, and then get to taxes, and you think there are many prospects in shadow schemes, right? to fill the hole, well, there is a lot of perspective, but on the other hand, there is a reason why all these schemes have not been broken for years, eh, and whether they can magically solve ukraine's problems already in october, then one must doubt here, hence a certain

increase , a certain increase in income is required for a very short-term goal, but one thing must be done... visible, so to speak, tangible, which can be calculated, the fight against the shadow, which will give a signal to businesses that yes, both they and consumers will be more burdened for a certain period , but that this is not a blatant injustice, and this is a feeling. can create the attraction to paying taxes, those who have successfully evaded it so far are actually tax evaders. and tell me, please, this, this is the tax increase that

the government is currently proposing, maybe, do you know or not do you know if it has been discussed at all with the business at any level, and whether it should be discussed with the business? it, i think, began to be discussed somewhere from yesterday, that is, it could have been prepared in a completely different way, i see that this hole could already be predicted from the spring, we issued a statement yesterday, where we imposed the experience with esmkor in the fall of 22 -th year, when changes were suddenly made, with the idea of ​​squeezing more out of the business, the tax invoices of almost 40% of active businesses were stopped, a cry, a cry, problems, it was not thought out, its

modeling in ukraine, the modeling of the ministry of finance, the authorities in general should take into account the wrong ones. only linear columns in excel, but behavioral economics of real life in ukraine, i.e. + 5% excel is not, will not necessarily be + 5% in real, in the real world of ukraine, where people have a lot of different choices, as they have fix your affairs. thank you, thank you very much, we will definitely return to this one. roman vashchuk, business ombudsman in ukraine, was on radio svoboda. well, we continue, once again let's discuss this topic directly with business representatives, oleg horohovsky, co-founder of monobank, joins our broadcast, i congratulate you, good evening, congratulations, good evening, thank you for the invitation, yesterday,

yesterday andriy yarmak announced a meeting of business with government officials, it was supposed to take place today, i wanted to ask you whether the meeting took place and whether you were there? yes, the meeting really took place, i was present at it, and tell me what they told you about, how they convinced you that taxes should be raised and whether convinced, look, eh... a very wide circle was at this meeting, all the main stakeholders from the state who propose these changes were present, i mean the prime minister, the finance minister, the chairman of the tax committee, the vice-prem' era on the economy, the head of the president's office, the council of entrepreneurs was also present, the meeting was very meaningful. we asked a very specific question and received very specific answers, and we

aimed at this meeting to understand the problem and convey our position to the authorities in order to jointly in this dialogue, we were able to find some solution that would be good for the economy because... we have a pretty serious concern that if we raise the tax burden, it may not achieve its goal and the amount of taxes collected will not increase, so that the economy may not work linearly, that is , it is not arithmetic when you multiply one number by another and get something at the end, that is , the economy lives its own life. and if today some part of the business is cynical, then we paid attention to what should be done so

that those who do not pay taxes now should start paying them, because this is a big reserve, how to do it, we proposed, and it seems to me that the issue of detenization, well , it came up for discussion quite well, and that's why we ... , that we will continue consultations next week, that is, we have received information, i hope we have been heard, we will see how this discussion will go next week in the relevant committee of the verkhovna rada. that is, those proposals that were announced earlier by the government are now being called into question, into question, and perhaps not all of them will be adopted in the form of a law, tax increases. look, i'm not saying anything is in doubt. something will be adopted and something will not, we are now in the stage of discussing these proposals, and we

hope that we will find a common solution, and in order to ensure the funding of the army without interruption, because what we are all united in is that the money is for the army needs to flow continuously, and if there is a need for additional funding, then... we need to find sources for that funding together, what those sources will be, those that the government is proposing, or we will find something else, that's up to us, well i hope we will find some solution next week, hypothetical question, hypothetical question, if the solution that is found does not satisfy the business , if everything remains as it is, there are now certain proposals from the government, they will be in this form. approved, what will be your reaction, well, look, this is not a matter

of my business personally, because yours, i mean the reaction of the business, i am i am worried not for my business, because we pay all taxes, and what is proposed, well, if necessary, we will pay increased taxes, i, i am worried about what will happen, what consequences it will have for the economy as a whole, and will lead to. these actions before everyone starts paying taxes, we have doubts about that, so i think that if the decision is passed as it is proposed, it is not obvious that it will work that way, and that worries me , because i understand that money is needed for the military, and if tax increases don't provide it, then maybe to be that they did bad actions for... and did not achieve results, and this worries me. thank you very much, modobank co-founder oleg

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fighter jets in ukraine, the white house adviser on communications in the field of national security, john kirby, stated this during the briefing. do you need to talk to ukrainians? i will not talk about armed forces. i'll just add that as we said before, and we said at the nato summit, that the process... transfer to ukraine the f-16 continues to advance. we noted that the planes will be ready for the canvases by the end of the summer. there is no reason to doubt this. the day before, bloomberg , citing unnamed sources, reported that the first f-16 fighter jets from nato allies had already arrived in ukraine. the deadline for the transfer of american-made military aircraft was the end of this month and it was met, bloomberg quoted its sources and added. that the number of planes is small, the spokeswoman of the ministry of defense of ukraine diana davytyan refused comment on this information to bloomberg. in response to voice

of america's request for comment, the us national security council asked to contact the ukrainian side. during the july nato summit in washington , secretary of state antony blinken said that the f-16 aircraft are in the process of being transferred and will be in ukrainian skies this summer. we will talk about what is known about the arrival of fighter jets in ukraine. prus, she researched this issue and had the opportunity to talk to a number of experts. hello, maria! hello! maria, as of today, what is the official information about the status of the transfer of f-16 fighter jets in ukraine, how many there are, how many pilots have been trained and when they can fly into the sky. natalya, well, as you rightly noted, neither american nor ukrainian officials are really commenting, at least for now on the record. this information, that is, they do not confirm or deny, regarding the number, and even bloomberg, who first reported this news, or the associated

press agency, which was able to confirm later among its sources in the american government that this is indeed the case, ukraine received the first fighters, they also don't provide any numbers, no specific or number of fighters themselves, or specific dates when these fighters... will be able to see in ukrainian skies, when ukrainian pilots will be able to use them. however, i spoke with representatives of the air force of ukraine, they also, by the way, like john kirby, say that everything is moving according to plan, everything is happening smoothly, according to certain, certain deadlines, certain plans. and they also remind, as in principle, all ukrainian military personnel from the very beginning of a full-scale invasion, the ongoing war, and ukraine. informational silence should be observed there, you should neither photograph nor post any military equipment, its movements, personnel , military bases, because all of this can

play into the hands of the enemy. all this can play along with the russian federation and actually be used against the ukrainian military. just an hour and a half ago, i had a conversation with the former colonel of the us air force, jeffrey fisher. and he said that this is indeed the practice of nato allies. better to talk less about that. here's what he said. the biden administration probably tried for very good reasons. to keep as much secrecy as possible about when the f-16s arrive, where they are going, what they are betting on, what the names of the trained pilots are. this is war, right? operational security is a very important thing. during the second world war, we used to say, careless words sink ships. so i believe that maintaining operational security and keeping this secret as long as possible was justified. regarding the delivery delay. i think part of it was politics. i i think the biden administration has some

hesitation. regarding the provision of f-16 to ukraine. in the end, they came to it. i wouldn't say that we, the united states, have given them the full complement of all the capabilities of the f-16. i think we need to be very, very careful, just because one or two f-16s were given to ukraine, that doesn't mean that all 60 aircraft are going to show up, and it certainly doesn't mean that there are 120 pilots. , with full maintenance kit, maintenance staff, etc. so we have to be... very careful about of how we show the arrival of the f16 in ukraine. president zelenskyi says that ukraine needs at least 100 f-16 aircraft, so there is criticism that the partners are not providing enough of them, as well as delaying the delivery dates. what do the experts you talked to say about it, maria? yes, quite rightly, president zelenskyy repeated

the figure announced even earlier. of the air force of ukraine, that ukraine needs at least 128 western fighters to replace the existing soviet fleet of mnig-29, su-27 aircraft, which are already obsolete and yet yes, f-16, although they are of the same generation as these soviet fighters, they have been modernized, they have a completely different level of equipment, radars, weapons, and as for the number, various sources called the numbers so that... 60 fighters , which ukraine may get within a few years, others say it's 80, and indeed ukraine will receive it gradually, according to how ready the pilots who will directly have to fly, to fly missions on these fighters, there was really a delay with this, and these delays, these problems, about which they say in the media, ukrainian experts, western experts, they continue, there is a certain, certain limit, a certain limit of the number. seats in

training centers, and ukrainians, there are more ukrainian pilots willing to learn than places to train them, but ukraine also has other problems, retired us air force general charles corkran outlined a few of them, he said, that he is confident in ukrainian pilots and foreign personnel, but the infrastructure is what worries him the most. you have very experienced pilots that you on... so they already know how to fly, how to fly fighter jets, they just need to learn how to fly an f-16, and your maintenance personnel are the same, they are experienced, you bring in maintenance personnel who know how to operate fighter jets, that's just the difference of working with f-16, so it will happen quickly. my biggest fear is infrastructure, and it's not about your infrastructure, it's about russia

realizing...the importance of the f16, although like i said, it's just one tool that's strategically important, and as soon as they, the russians will be able to either hit one f-16 on the ground or shoot one in the air, all of that will be covered by the russian press, won't they, so they will do whatever it takes to find ways to try to attack those f-16s, including land maria ukraine, i insist that the main guarantee of a safe... sky is modern western aircraft, what tasks will be assigned to the f-16 and how can their arrival affect the situation on the battlefield? it is important to say that the f-16s will be most effective if they operate together with the forces of other branches of the military, together with air defense, those and patriot complexes and other air defense systems, if this will be part of the integrated strategy of the ukrainian army. rather than

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