serious, because some of the business is now in a survival format, firstly, secondly, i think what mr. maksym was talking about, i think we will see a surge of new schemes, because one of the problems , which takes place in decision-making at the level of the government and at the level of the parliament, is that decisions are very often made of extremely low quality, where there is a low... quality of management decisions, a large number of schemes automatically appear there, that is, obviously a part business will get out of the situation in exactly this way, but again, i emphasize, that, unfortunately, there is no discussion in the government about how to accumulate internal resources, let's say, we are all outraged by the examples when the so-called small construction is currently taking place at the level of local self-government, roads are paved, parks,

sidewalks, etc. a huge number of projects that can wait until the end of the war, and i wonder why, with such an effective mechanism as, say, a public treasury, which can block individual payments, the government does not actually do anything to settle the matter, so that part of the self-government money can be directed to the armed forces, it can be done now. after some of the funds were taken away, but we see that, well, certain projects definitely need to be blocked, and again, this list is extremely, extremely large, and we have enough serious funds, at least, for certain articles, for certain articles, it is enough to seriously strengthen internal, internal funding, because both plus and plus is a question of state efficiency, efficiency. organs, because when we see

the figures that about half of the drones are transferred to the front by volunteers, volunteer structures, well , this means that the ministry of defense needs immediate changes, drastic changes, it means that someone in power is not working on the level of the leadership of the government, the leadership of the ministry of defense. this is just one small example, but it is telling enough, in my opinion. thank you, mr. oleksiy, friends. i would like to remind you that we are working live on the tv channel and i appeal to the tv viewers, if you watch us live on the tv channel, you can to vote by phone lines, we are asking you today whether you are ready to raise taxes in ukraine, yes no, voting numbers 0800 211 381, if you are ready to raise taxes in ukraine, no 0.800 211. 382, ​​if you are not ready , all calls

to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, and we also conduct voting on youtube and facebook, the question is the same, the answers are also the same, yes, no, if you have your own separate opinion, you can leave it under this video. let me remind you that maksym rozumny, doctor of political sciences, and oleksiy koshel, doctor of historical sciences, two doctors of science, are our guests today. political experts, we are talking today about the situation in ukraine, about what the government is doing now and what volodymyr zelenskyi's team is doing, and we cannot ignore one more topic, which is personnel scandals in the military leadership, because since the release of valery zaluzhny , we have been constantly seeing how these personnel scandals in the armed forces of ukraine spill out into the public sphere. i would prefer not to have these scandals

it was also that we should not discuss it on the air, because there is a war, but we are not in this situation giving publicity to one or another personnel rotations, and in particular, regarding the commander of the 80th separate airborne assault brigade, emil ishkulov, he was removed from his post and transferred for promotion, to the position of deputy chief of staff of the state security service, according to the press release of inshulov. kulov was removed from the brigade due to a dispute with the command, allegedly he opposed a task that was impossible to complete. in his facebook post, ishkulov thanked his former subordinates for the public campaign for your support. i am truly grateful to each and every one of you for the tremendous support you have shown. this is extremely powerful and valuable, as yuriy butusov wrote, only a coordinated team is capable of such actions. and the fact that this story came to the public. this was explained by the spokesman of the ministry

of defense of ukraine, dmytro lazutki, in an interview with nv, he said that the military leadership does not blindly defend its position, and also... listens to the decisions that prove that the life of a soldier, one more person , is valuable for the armed forces of ukraine , which actively comments on the actions of the military leadership and which does not have relationship with the armed forces of ukraine, this is the people's deputy of ukraine mariyana bezugla, commenting on the transfer of ishkulov, she accused the head of the armed forces of ukraine oleksandr syrskyi of lies, expedient personnel decisions and neglect of interests. of defense is another signal to leaders in the military that it is easier to lie than to tell an inconvenient truth and that no amount of your merits and effective management will save you from the whims of the military leadership, gentlemen, we actually see how

a discussion unfolds in the information field of ukraine about who has the right , who should be on the head of the armed forces, who should not be at the head of the armed forces, a people's deputy during the war says: that the head of the armed forces of brescia, the previous head of the armed forces of the armed forces, did not suit mariana without a corner at all, why in the conditions of the war are we witnessing these personnel clashes by people who do not have nothing to do with the ukrainian army, and why is all this spilling out into the public domain, mr. oleksiy na... my conviction is that maryana bezuglo should be considered separately, all other cases separately, because the question of maryana bezuglo, i am actually convinced that she should be engaged in service security of ukraine, malyuk's department must necessarily open proceedings, well , at least there were grounds for the published

facts of losses, for the published facts of the number of military units, and there, i think, more than one article has already been collected, why... the service does not respond security of ukraine is a completely different story, obviously, the structure is also too politicized, which is precisely why there is no reaction. for all others, this is normal practice. we cannot have an ideal army, where 100% of the military leadership will be deeply competent, will accept fair decisions and will not make mistakes. this does not happen, because the army is actually a state within a state, it is a parallel state that has... all its units there, starting from duplicating civilian units and ending with everything else, so it is quite natural that our army was in many ways created simply off the wheels, just extremely fast, and we may

like it or not, but the very structure of our armed forces today has both its pluses and minuses, so it is quite natural that such facts take place. well, i am i think it is very good that we moved away from the format where any criticism of the military command, and especially of the civilian command, any infiltration of the bank, was perceived as a game to help the enemy. whether you criticize the president or criticize the military, that's all, you 're playing on the side of the russians. no, we see that the reasoned criticism is adequate, it allows us to make certain decisions. allows us to preserve the life and health of our military, so this is absolutely normal practice, and we should not look at it as something phenomenal, that that this information will be spread as much as possible by the enemy, special operations will be carried out, of course, of course, but

these are also our big problems, that we are not putting order in our information field, i mean telegram, various social groups, social networks. and the enemy is actively conducting information wars, starting with the issue of conscription, mobilization and ending with many other things, that is, it is a completely different story. mr. maxim, can there be a discussion about the army, about who is leading correctly and who is not governs correctly, with a high level of trust of ukrainians in the armed forces, i.e. the armed forces is... the institution that ukrainians trust the most, i.e. undisputed trust during the war, and it is clear that in this situation, well, immediately there is some kind of political jealousy about the rating there, as it was, the rating of trust in valery zaluzhny, or the current,

current trust there in oleksandr syrskyi, is there a political component here regarding the perspective, uh, the political perspective of certain persons and regarding trust in the army as such? i would say here that... maybe on par personalities, it is hardly possible to talk about such a political basis, since, well , a figure comparable to valery zaluzhny, our military environment, so to speak, in terms of political resonance, trust, recognition, there is no other such figure, therefore the need and... so to speak, to discredit someone, to lower someone's rating for a political purpose,

i honestly don't see it, but there is a more general problem, in my opinion, there is a problem of the ratio, so to speak, of the military and politicians, and we have seen it before on on a personalized level, when they talked about the discussions there... of president zelenskyi with golovko zaluzhny, when there were sources of information that the president's office demands one thing, and the general staff agrees to another, but today it seems to me that, so to speak, this problem, it has become much deeper, it has already become such, i would even say social, that is, the army, the ukrainian army has become... quite an independent institution and, as you rightly noted, an authoritative, legitimate

institution, therefore other political institutions to he is treated with a certain wariness, with a certain jealousy, we often come across some such evidence of some conflicts, i don't know with the law enforcement officers, the military with the law enforcement officers. er, well, well, and so on, and so on, that is, there is, there is this problem, but to say that these scandals around decisions, personnel and so on, they are directly, so to speak, connected with it, so far, in my opinion, there are no reasons, here we rather have a situation of this internal contradiction, the army is a centralized, rather closed structure. she has one to remain, otherwise the army, which would be, so

to speak, under its magnifying glass and which does not have, cannot make decisions without the participation of society, i mean the general staff, the command and so on, such an army is unlikely to be effective, because war is tough, unpopular decisions, commanders actually send people to death and that's it... everything has been said, but at the same time, being such a closed and super-centralized structure, the army should naturally have this feedback mechanism, that is, problems that it has, and we understand that these problems exist, they are channels must have their own solution, so to speak, and this solution of the unknown is inseparable from the fact that they become known, obviously. there are channels, so to speak, vertical, within the army structure, but it is already obvious that they are insufficient, and

those moments when the public is included in these processes, they are quite frequent, so to speak, this intervention is incompetent there, people have not figured it out . communications, i believe it is useful for the army at the moment and in this situation. thank you, mr. maksym, mr. oleksiy, well, since we are talking about power, there may be some political moments, political aspects, about trust, mistrust, can the army, as an environment, an institution, can it be in any of the closest ones. in the future, after the end of the war, of course, to be the basis of a new

political class in ukraine, people who will come to power and these new faces who were expected in the 19th year, that in fact new faces will come precisely from the army, and people who passed the russian-ukrainian war, that they will form the majority in the next verkhovna rada. i am convinced that there will be a majority, well , again, we are talking about a conditional majority. which will be represented by the military, possibly representatives of the volunteer environment, so i will recall the parliamentary elections of 2014, when arseniy yatsenyuk's people's front party unexpectedly... got an unexpectedly high result in the elections, there was even a formal victory in the elections, over 20%, on at the start there, two months before the vote , the party showed a result of around 6%, that is, it more than tripled its result, and primarily thanks to the authoritative military, that is, they included in the list combat combatants, sufficiently

authoritative people, and actually this allowed, well, a successful election campaign, plus combat combatants, this... allowed simply to show the first the result of the parliamentary elections, i think that after the war we will see exactly the same situation, but the influence of the military, the trust in the military and its authority will be even higher than it was in 2014, here the question is whether the army environment can to form his political force, it seems to me that if general...zaluzhnyi, well, it will still depend on the personality factor, if general zaluzhnyi will create his political force, then it will undoubtedly be the number one political party, but to use the military in different political forces will definitely want the election campaign, different, and that's why i think, first of all, we will see several military parties, i don't even want

to announce now, it will be unfair to our... known authoritative military structures, but obviously they will have political future, has the right to be a political future as individual, as individual political projects. secondly, i am sure that all the old-timers in ukrainian politics will try to attract the military to their electoral lists, or, let's speak so pragmatically and cynically, cover themselves with the military, include in the top ten, then the guys... who quietly sat in the rear , in a quiet, calm, disguised as volunteer work, they will be there in the 20s, 30s, 40s numbers of the electoral list, but in any case, in in any case, we will have a parliament, but i agree with your percentage of the military, that's for sure. thank you, mr. oleksiy, friends, i am addressing our tv viewers, i will remind you that

we are working live and conducting a survey, today we are asking you about the following: are you ready for under... taxes in ukraine, yes, no, on youtube it's quite simple, if you have your own opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video, if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote by numbers if you are ready to be promoted of taxes in ukraine 0800-211381, no 0800 211382, all calls to these numbers are free, we vote, today we are visiting, i remind you maksym rozumny and oleksiy koshel, we are talking about... what is happening in the internal politics of ukraine, well and of course, we cannot avoid the topic of the influence of the russian federation and the russian special services on the internal politics of ukraine, because we are talking about the murder of iryna farion, the alleged involvement of the russian special services in this murder, the work of the moscow church in ukraine, the influence on

the youth environment, etc. cases of arson of the military, which are becoming more and more frequent in large cities, in particular in kharkiv, in the dnipro, in odesa, and mr. maksym, how do you currently assess the influence of russia on the rear part, well conditionally the rear part of ukraine, not on the front, on the rear part, and whether it is due to the fact that the russians lose or do not achieve what is on the front and endure. your already real special operations on the territory, on the physical territory of the ukrainian state? i would start here, after all, probably not with the russians, but with us ukrainians, because in fact, according to my according to estimates, the russians are not

proactive in this case, they simply take advantage of our weaknesses. our shortcomings, our vulnerable places, and this, so to speak, makes their task easier, that is, any of the situations actually mentioned, whether it is the language conflict in ukraine, actually, which is, so to speak, around the death of the tragic iryna farion, so to speak, is the main context in the public space. at least, whether these, then, the minors who set cars on fire, all these, all these fed-up people, is a church question. all these questions they, so to speak, appeared in the ukrainian environment and are connected with the fact that some issues have not been resolved in our country, we ourselves

have not resolved them among ourselves, er, even these cars were set on fire in the context in which - which was acquired by the mobilization of the last time, in that height, so to speak, around these raids of the tcc, er, such... actions, well, actually these guys, maybe they did not realize that they betray their homeland and that, so to speak, work directly for the enemy, perhaps this was for them some part of their social positioning in the ukrainian context, but the fact that the russians know how to find these weak points and have learned to use them is also an obvious fact and... and actually a lot indicates the possibilities and those mechanisms that have been used by the russian special services for

a long time before this war and before these situations, before this murder of irina farion, in particular, we know that after these actions in europe, so to speak, murders, russian agents were exposed, they... were caught red-handed there and so on, in the future, the russians began simply using other people who became interested either with money or with some ideological motivations and so on, that is , they transfer these practices to the plane of the russian-ukrainian war, this situation is threatening for us and actually such a danger.' but if we can internally solve our problems with identity, with information policy, actually with the work

of our special services, then we will take away these opportunities from the russians. thank you, mr. maksym, mr. oleksiy, how and in what way can we solve the issues on which the russians play, who are trying to split ukrainian society. well, now it is very important, in my opinion. to develop fuses, that russia will influence, say, political life, there is no doubt, whatever the format of the end of the war, russia's influence will remain, but now we can see what is happening in europe, damage to mobile communications , terrorist attacks on railways, special operations at the level of brexit at the level of the secession of catalonia and many other things where russia is suspected, this is a typical practice. so it is obvious to us it is necessary to see that in the next elections, in the place of opzhplok, sheriiv and all others, eurosceptic

parties, eurosceptics, political forces that will be of such a blogger format, that will make fun of issues of national identity to individual, to individual leaders, will appear , we need to be ready for this, of course... we won't install all the fuses, but as far as i'm concerned, the parliament needs to make a decision on lustration for those persons who ran from the prohibition parties political parties, that is, from the village council to the president of ukraine, this is a relatively small number of people, but at least it will allow us to create certain safeguards for ourselves. well, next, this is already the second broader question, we need to remove it from the language agenda. question, it lost its relevance during the war as much as possible, but we need to take steps forward in language policy, in order not to leave grounds

for speculation at all, this is a question of language, this is a question of our heroes, this is a question of national identity and much more. thank you, mr. oleksiy, and thank you to mr. maksym, maksym rozumny and oleksiy koshel were guests of our program today, gentlemen, thank you for your participation. in the program, i would like to remind you that during the entire broadcast, friends, we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about whether you are ready for a tax increase in ukraine, we will look at the correct results of the survey on the telecast, because in the first part there was an incorrect value, so 8 % are so ready, 92% are not ready to raise taxes in ukraine, on the youtube channel. 89% of us do not are ready for a tax increase, 11% are ready. these are the results of our

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