killed a chechen general, well, they can be exchanged, if less, that is, here is a person who beat someone, here is a person who beat someone, it is equivalent, and the result will be that, of course, there will be a new handsome man in germany who will offer his services to russia, because he will know that he, he will end up there, serve there for three or four years in quite comfortable... conditions, and then he will be dismissed there, and he will be a hero there, but we need the russian partisans to feel the same, that they did something there, but we did not forget about them, and what are the terms for them there, 25 years there, there, well, they will not sit for 25 years, or they will not be executed, as there is this threat in belarus? or ukraine there,

other countries of the ramshtein coalition there will say, no, return them, they are everywhere, well, then it makes sense and will help the development of our, our operation, it is very, very useful for ukraine, from a military point of view. and what do you think, at what level did the agreements take place, about today's exchange, is it at the level of heads of state, is it at the level of diplomats? in embassies, it's on par special services, how, in principle, can such agreements take place, even in the conditions of such large-scale sanctions from the west against russia? well, there are authorized mediators there, that is, there are influential officials in their own countries there, but there are mediators and not as officials, but as businessmen there, for example, when

there is one there with ukraine, roman abramovich always plays a huge role there, but there, the main decision is made first and foremost, and of course here putin himself decides whether he agrees or not agrees, because this is his product, which he trades. ugh, what about you... at the beginning of our conversation, we mentioned ukraine, the ukrainian prisoners of the kremlin, now there are a lot of them, the number goes, i think, not even by tens, by hundreds, and recently one of the prisoners of the kremlin, the defender of azovstal in general zaga died, in fact, a prisoner killed him in russia, what did you mean, ukraine had a chance to somehow use this situation and return its prisoners, did i not understand, no, you did not understand, there are two.. . different tracks, one track

is a pow track, that is, when there ukrainians, here are russians, well, in ukraine there are russians , in russia ukrainians, they change them, yes, but there is, but there is a completely different track, when in ukraine there are ukrainians, in russia there are russians, but these are russians who are against the war, against the regime there is something there they did and... and received a huge punishment there, on the other hand, in ukraine there are some traitors there, former officials there who cooperated with russia, well, how, how exactly , like vymyachuk, now there now there is some there is a lot of people there, but in general there are more than a thousand such people in ukraine who were arrested there by the sbu, that is, in ukraine there are...

trade, but in a normal exchange, they are not part of the exchange, because they are citizens of ukraine, nor are they citizens of russia, that is , russia does not require them, but when the exchange of political prisoners for these traitors and collaborators, it can work, and just such a track, it started to be discussed last september there, but then nothing happened. and as i understand it, one of the main reasons is that in ukraine, well, there is no such political solution, the topic is so sensitive, and there the office of the president treats this very carefully, because they are afraid that people will say, who are you changing there, it is better to return our prisoners of war there, but these are completely different tracks, which in general. ugh,

well, yes, i understand what you are talking about, even, it seems to me, when navalny was still alive, there was such, well, information circulating, maybe it was such a semi... officially they talked about the fact that navalny could possibly be there to exchange within the framework of some exchanges, this is also a scam, it was launched there with certain people, but it was a complete scam for ukraine even from a moral point of view, it makes sense to change people who are against the war. navalny, as we remember, he had a very unclear position, even there regarding crimea. if we talk about russian oppositionists, well, we are already waiting for official information, this is again according to numerous, numerous media, both turkish and western, there are ilya yashin and volodymyr karamurza, these are russian opposition politicians who, as i remember, publicly condemned the actions of russia, they, they,

they, they dine clearly against the war, and they were condemned precisely because of their anti-war, because of his anti-war stance, zavalny was never convicted. military position, that is why navalny could not participate in the exchange program, that is, it could be a certain political decision there, if ukraine wanted it for any reason, but vladimir koromurza, ilya yashin, they were on the list of these political prisoners who are sitting because of... the war, which was made there by the congress of people's deputies, there was such a letter, a list, a list of 300, yes, and this did not happen, and it's wrong, i tell you, i tell you thank you very much for your comment, ilya ponomarev, a former deputy of the state duma of russia, was on

radio liberty, we talked about the exchange, a large-scale historical exchange that is happening right now in turkey, and according to the media, among these people whom russia gave as part of the exchange, also... russian opposition politicians, among them volodymyr karamurza, i want to dwell on him separately, he was arrested in april 22nd, initially accused of spreading fakes about the russian army, later treason was added, and the basis for this case for karamurza against karamurza was his speech , this arizona house of representatives, united states, march 15, '22, listen to what he said then. i am not only a politician, i am a historian by education and i know history well, why? policy of pandering to dictators leads, it always leads to the same result. i would only be glad to be wrong, but today the whole world sees what the putin regime is doing in ukraine. shelling of residential buildings with cluster bombs, bombing of maternity homes, hospitals and

schools. the kremlin's dictatorial regime commits war crimes in another country, among europe, and, unfortunately, the years of vladimir putin's rule brought us to this point. karamurza's words that the russian military is bombing residential areas, maternity homes, hospitals, schools, russian investigators called it false information, which karamurza allegedly voiced out of political hatred, thereby causing significant damage to the interests of russia. less than a month after this speech, the politician was arrested in the yard of his own home, and a year later he was sentenced to 25 years in prison. we return to the exchange, one of the countries as i am on at the beginning she said that germany is participating in this exchange, yuriy baraniuk, correspondent of the nastoyasche vremya tv channel, is joining us from berlin, yuriy, i congratulate you. good day. what is being said about this exchange in germany, what is the german press writing about it, and what do you know as of now? listen,

right now, the main question is where the plane that will bring the political prisoners from russia will land, and there are several cities waiting for this plane. first of all, this is berlin, where the airport journalists have been waiting since the very morning, and a few minutes before our program it is known that a possible meeting between political prisoners and chancellor of germany olaf scholz will take place in cologne, russian media, for example, sota and echo of moscow, more precisely , it is now called echo, and as you said, this exchange is truly historic. never, never, not even the soviet union and western countries exchanged so many people, so many political prisoners for those who worked for special services. what is known about those who will go back to russia? of course, the most famous among them is vadim kraschikov, he was

sentenced to life in prison for killed the chechen warlord zilimkhan khangashvili, and for this krasikov was nicknamed the steergarten killer in the german... media, putin personally said that he wanted krasikov to be returned to russia, he said this at the beginning of the winter in an interview with tucker carlson, when he arrived to russia and talked with vladimir putin, and now we see that krasikov, he is probably the most famous, the most media, among all those returning, except for him , artem and anna dultsova will return from slovenia, they are supposedly husband and wife, yes they talked about themselves, but the wall street journal wrote that they worked for the russian svr, which can be translated as a foreign intelligence service, that is. these are quite powerful agents of russia, besides them, they disappeared from the letter in the united

states, they could not find vladyslav klyushin, who cooperated with various russian power ministries of oleksandr oleksandr vinnyk, he was convicted of insider trading in shares, and also maksym marchenko, roman selezhnev, i just while i will talk about everyone. there will be no time left to tell about those who got out of russia and are going to the west, these are, of course, journalists, evan hershkevich and our colleague from idel-realiy, alsu kurmashova, besides them citizens, as well as paul wilen, sorry, i forgot one more citizen of the united states, and there are also german citizens, including rico krieger, who was sentenced to death in belarus, but two days ago it became known that... he was pardoned by oleksandr lukashenko, as well as kevin leek - this is a 19-year-old

man who was serving time, he was sitting in arkhangelsk regions of russia, well, of course there there are many who opposed the full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine, the most famous, probably, is volodymyr karamorza, who for more than 10 years has been engaged in the imposition of sanctions on russia for... everything that the kremlin was engaged in, and this is what he advocated the sanctions are personal, to punish the people who were responsible for the murder of jurist magnitskyi, for, there are a lot of things, except porcelain, as we understand, now in europe an opposition politician, he is only a municipal deputy, it is a small, small possible position, but to get it was very hard, this one. yashin, andriy piovarov, who worked with khodorkovsky's open russia organization, and i personally want to find

out that even today in germany, although no one officially confirms this exchange, people still argue whether it was possible to return to russia vadim krasikov, who killed a person in the center of berlin, and we talked to the sociologist igor eidman, he said that this is such an issue that... is very painful for the germans, and a very large part of the people say that no, this step should not have been taken, and edmond does himself reminded that now all the attention is on this exchange, but he says that it is necessary to understand that there are still many citizens of ukraine in captivity, and he said that the conditions in which they are now can be even more difficult than those , which included yashin, chikaramorza. or navalny, although these were actually just torture. let's listen to what nameidman said.

there are thousands of ukrainians in russian prisons. there are thousands of ukrainians, captured ukrainians, in russian prisons, and their situation is mostly worse than even in russian ones political prisoners i communicate with many russian human rights defenders, this is the opinion of many russian human rights defenders. why? because many of them are generally deprived of any protection and they are generally outside the legal field. they are tortured, mocked , starved and humiliated in every possible way without any problems, they are not allowed lawyers, russian political prisoners were allowed lawyers, it is clear that yes, of course, the tragic story with the murder of navalny, but the same things happen to ukrainians events every day, and this is what the russians say human rights activists, this is what russian politicians and human rights activists say, and i want to return to what we started with, now the main question is where the planes will fly from... turkey, it can be either berlin or kolnen, and maybe not cologne, and not berlin, and

of course we're waiting to meet those political prisoners who are going to be taken to germany, and according to cbs, it's an american tv channel, it could be 12 people, as we understand it now , among them there will be at least three german citizens, and the rest are already those political prisoners who spoke. against a full-scale russian invasion of ukraine. i just, yuri, thank you very much for such a story. i will only add that the wall street journal has already officially confirmed that its reporter evan hershkovich has been fired. and also the administration. president of turkey recep tayyip erdoğan confirmed the exchange of 26 people, 10 people, including two children , returned to russia, maybe they are the children of this married couple you mentioned, 13 people went to germany, so yuri, meet 13 people, and three to united states, and seven, seven countries participated in the exchange. this is the information as of now. i

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mechanisms to punish the offender. stopcrime ua. a ukrainian program is on the air from washington voice of america service time time. my name is maria ulyanovska. congratulations. a historic exchange not seen since the cold war. so in the united states there is talk of a large-scale exchange of political prisoners and spies between russia and western countries. russia exchanged 16 prisoners for eight russians who were being held in the united states, germany, norway, slovenia and poland. evan hershkovych, paul wilan and alsu kurmasheva are among those dismissed. the exchange took place after months of secret and complex negotiations between moscow and washington, in in which president biden personally participated.

more about who the united states returned and who it gave to russia instead. i know oleksiy kovalenko, who followed this topic and joins from the state department. congratulations oleksya. congratulations. oleksiy, so who is returning to the united states, how are american officials reacting to this exchange and what are the media writing. yes, in fact, maria, you very correctly observed, this is a historical exchange in terms of scale and cooperation with other countries, in terms of the number of prisoners exchanged, this is not seen since the cold war. journalists from the wall street journal, evan hershkovich, rfe/rl journalist alsu kormashova, former us marine paul wheelen and russian opposition leader kara murzan are returning home. in addition... russia released in exchange for eight of those returning to russia, russia released five, five tied to germany, german citizens, as well as seven

communities. citizens of russia, who are called political prisoners in russia. actually, what were all these people accused of in russia? evan hershkovich was accused of espionage, and it was the first time that an american journalist during the cold war, the war , was accused of espionage in russia, he was accused of this article and given 16 years in a russian prison. the same article also indicted... paul whelan, a former us marine, alsa kormashovo and russian dissident kara murza were indicted for spreading false information, again, this is according to the russian indictment for spreading false information about the russian army, they are already safe, they are already on their way by plane to

the united states of america, and... accordingly , the exchange took place today in turkey, we also heard many emotional statements from the us administration, it was a very painstaking and difficult exchange , and especially if we take into account the state of relations between russia and the united states, and in fact, we also heard emotional statements from many media, in particular from the wall street journal, whose journalist is evan hershkovich, after his release volkst journal published article with the headline: welcome, welcome home, and it is very interesting that the wall street journal until the last, until it was already known that evan hershkovich was free, did not publish anything about his release. today there was also a rather emotional statement by us president joe biden at the white house. members of hershkovich's, kurmashova's , and paul whelan's families were also present during this statement. and actually. during this statement

, us president joe biden noted that the suffering of the families of these prisoners and the suffering they themselves are already finished. i suggest listening to the words of the us president. it's a very good day, a very good day. today we bring home paul, evan, alsa, vladimir, three us citizens and one us permanent resident. all four. unjustly imprisoned in russia, paul for almost six years, vladimir since 2022, evan since march 2023, also since october 2023. the russian authorities arrested them, tried them in fake courts and sent them to prisons for long terms, without any legal grounds, none. they are outside of russia. earlier today

they flew to turkey and will soon be returning home to see their families. this is an incredible relief for all the family members who have gathered here. it is a relief to friends and colleagues across the country who have long prayed for this day. the deal that made this possible was a feat of diplomacy and friendship. several countries have helped make this happen. they, at my request, joined the important... complex negotiations, and i personally thank them all once again, i personally thanked them and i thank them again. this agreement would not have been possible without our allies, germany, poland, slovenia, norway and turkey. they all stood with us, they supported us and made brave decisions by freeing prisoners that were in their countries and providing logistical support to bring...

americans home, you can't imagine what they all went through, this woman was in the oval office with us, i can't imagine their joy right now. tomorrow is a big day, miriam turns 13. miriam, where are you, come here. as you all know, we have a tradition in the biden family of singing.