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news from the scene. live kamikaze drone attacks. political analytics. objectively and meaningfully. there is no political season. exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front. open and unbiased. you draw your own conclusions. greetings to our viewers, i am iryna koval with you and this is the "experience of war" program, and i want to introduce you to my guest today, this is anastasia pustovit, a volunteer and ukrainian actress. nastya, i congratulate you, have a good day. not easy yes, i started with the fact that you are first of all a volunteer, that's why i introduced you like that, at first, because i think that this is your new experience. which you received, and it was about this and

many other experiences of yours that i invited you to talk about today. the experience of war, it is not always pleasant, of course, we gain something, lose something, but today i want you to share it with our viewers and tell about it. let's start with february 24, 2022, do you remember this day? where were you, what were you doing and did you think it would be exactly as it was? yes, on february 24, i was in kyiv, at that time i lived in lukyanivka, yes, i expected war, i, well, of course, how to say it correctly, conditionally, i didn't want to, but i knew what would happen, and even for two days before the start i was warned to leave. from kyiv, i tried to prepare, as

i imagined it, because, if it is unpleasant to actually voice it, the war, when it started in the 14th year. for the majority of the population, and i, unfortunately, was the majority for whom it lasted for the first two years, and then it went into some shadowy history, like, it it exists somewhere nearby, but what are the problems directly faced by the military and people in the occupied territories, we did not particularly delve into it, well, that is, we can talk about it a lot, but god be with him, as it is, well, the majority of the population now, i think, carries for this responsibility, and i am also with them. i tried to prepare, i was supposed to have medical training courses on february 26, i apologize, the first is medical aid, yes, yes, there was also supposed to be such a mini-training, i was considering

how to get into the tro, at the moment when i started to be interested in all this in such great detail, then it turned out that it would be necessary, it was necessary... to collect a huge number of documents, and i understood that i would not have time to get there, and for that i need time, i don't have it, but then it was funny when i looked at the weapons on vibis and it wasn't there, and then i looked at the knives, i took it so seriously, well, actually, if it was there, i'm already being ironic about my own behavior, but it was for me super serious, i didn't sleep for almost two days, i slept for three to four hours, i... war movies, i have so it got super high, there was some kind of anxiety, i was preparing physically, i tried somehow to bring myself to a better physical state, as it seemed to me at the time, i packed

an anxious suitcase, i warned everyone in the theater, i said: friends, pack up, this it doesn't cost you anything, because you collected it yourself, it stands, nothing will happen, you will take it apart, well, it's not really a problem. uh, most people are skeptical, like, what are you, everything will be fine, parents are generally the same, and that's actually one of the uh, huge problems, so that we later fell into the occupation, because they were in the kyiv region, uh, one, i think one of the huge problems is that people believed in our leadership and the president that there would be no war, and my parents did not prepare for the invasion in any way. your parents live in... in the kyiv region, you were in kyiv, how did you end up in the kyiv region, when the war started, in the morning i heard explosions, i decided to sleep, to sleep, because i understood that it would be worse, i i fell asleep, my application was accepted by the ukrainian volunteer

service, because i applied, well, that is, i am there i was looking for ways out, how to help, well, it was one of those ways out, my parents called, we talked for a long time, they said come to us. er, i went to them, actually, everything is very simple, that is, um, it was also probably my mistake, because the fighting was already going on in gostomel at that time, but i went to my parents, and from the point of view, just in why should i be with them if something happens, well, for example, now thinking about whether i did the right thing or not, i think that it was right, because if i had been in kyiv at that time, i would have just left intelligence, not knowing, simply did not exist. there was no communication for 5 days, i was without communication and i would simply go crazy if they were there by themselves. you said that you watched war movies, yes, war movies, let's say that, and probably, even in the worst case scenario, you couldn't imagine that this could happen to

you, that you could also end up under occupation with your parents, er no, but before that i read the experience of the occupation, er... er, and it was terrible, and i have why, and it was there a couple of days before i got into the occupation, and this experience actually gave me a little, well, i happened to come across it, i just read it, it gave me a little understanding of what could await us, what awaited you and what actually happened then, well, we got partially into a silent occupation, why i will... explain, because our village is nemyshaevo, it is located between borodyanka and bucha, that is , there were no active hostilities there, we were not bombed, especially by planes, they dismantled borodyanka, bucha, irpin, gostomel there, and we were exactly those small villages through which more often than the whole army simply passes, that is, it leaves

some part of the army there, but in general it passes through more difficult places, but this does not mean that it passed without a trace. ah, a difficult experience actually, like, i wouldn't wish it on anyone, and i imagine i understand very well those people who are under occupation. , but in fact, i have no idea how long they are in occupation, because my experience was still there for about two weeks, and we saw everything in two weeks, both dead and wounded, and very heavy wounded and killed, but, let's put it this way, we had hope, well, because then everyone still had hope, people who have been under occupation for more than two years, it seems to me that the difficulties are also due to the fact that they are cut off from us informationally, and they experience this

feeling of what is happening, and that is why it seems to me that it is much more difficult there, in fact for them it is like a prison in fact, and we managed to create a volunteer headquarters there, we helped people, humanitarian help, unfortunately, we couldn't break through, we wanted to break through to boredonka, to take some people there medicines, there are products... we didn't succeed, because very quickly we found ourselves in this quiet occupation, well, how quiet it is, you can't say, but compared simply to the cities that were nearby, i think that we very lucky, look, when i listen to stories about bucha, i understand, for example, that there people could not go outside at all, they were afraid of it, some hid in basements there and in other cities and villages as well. you even managed to create a volunteer staff, as we did right at the beginning,

i.e., everything is exactly the same there gosnomyl, conditionally 10 km from us, our life was somehow still in turmoil, it was there on the 25th, we had already opened the headquarters, i.e. it was very fast, and we had a message in the chat of the volunteer service there that in we need to deliver sportswear there, some food for the soldiers who... got into the hospital, and that's why it somehow happened super fast for us, and we immediately started preparing for the worst, we were looking for - suture material, we were looking for a small surgical kit, well, that is, we understood that what is happening in buchi, in principle , will soon be with us, when we heard about the warthog, we understood that it would soon come to us, so we tried to prepare immediately, that is, we made decisions quickly, there was no such thing as that we , i... somehow it will be, no, we immediately understood that, what would be difficult, it was also complicated by the fact that nemishaeva is such

a sleeping town, and like a carp, butch, in general, like a suburb, that is, people drive to sleep in nemishaev, yes, there are small children there, after all, there are parks, nature, to kyiv to work, and we had a huge bunch of mothers with children, and many either ran out of milk, or someone did not have time to buy formula. children, some of the children were lactose intolerant, that is, even if we tried to get milk from the cow there, so that we could at least start feeding them with milk, it was more difficult with some children, and for us, for example, one of the urgent needs was these are exactly baby formulas, er, then acute needs appeared in the form of drugs, well, insulin, er, for diabetics, drugs for epileptics, well, here and there... it was already when you were under occupation, so someone helped, somehow managed to convey all that

was needed, and how to get out of this situation, we had, well, pharmacies, we they bought it in pharmacies, but the entrance to nemishaev was closed completely before the de-occupation, we could only make our way to klavdievo, no, but how did you manage , the first time they worked, we bought, and then we just came and asked from... a stage of course. was there any such story during the occupation during these two weeks that you are talking about, which one you were very impressed, and do you remember her even now? but there are many of them, in fact, these are very sad stories, there are many of them, this is mr. serhiy, may the kingdom of heaven be upon him, whom we sent, well, when we were there, the equipment went right through our headquarters, because the main road was blocked, and we were nearby. .. different roads too, i think it’s just because we didn’t quite understand where exactly to create the headquarters, we

did it in the cultural center, and it was located near the railway, and that’s understandable, like, it’s working absolutely, that is, it is important the point will be for the russians, and they ended up there very quickly, and we had to make an urgent decision to disband it, somehow there was a crowd somewhere, the biggest crowd of people, we sent there water and food, which we managed to get there during that time with... in headquarters, also some medicines, clothes, well , that is, try to place it at other points that may be safer, conditionally, and mr. serhii in... there was a school in which there were a lot of people and children inside in the basement, we threatened him, they loaded food and a lot of water into the car, and when a convoy of equipment passed, well, he drove in, we unloaded for him in the backyard, and he went to the school to unload to the school and was shot, in front of his wife, that was it, we

talked after half an hour. well, that is , half an hour ago we went with him, we took the keys from the drugstore to take them there, we already had injured people, we needed some narcotic substances to inject them, because they were heavy, very injured, and half an hour ago we they drove with him in the car, took the keys, half an hour later serhiy was gone, one moment, it was so difficult, the second moment was when the wounded left us and she came... a man was brought to us, who in fact, well, everything was crawling on his skin, i'm sorry for such details, but, well, that's how it was, he simply opened a gate, well, an iron gate to let people across the road, because the equipment was moving, the russians saw it and fired from a tank and he just came, he had half a gate stuck in his body and he simply, he survived

the night, the guys delivered him somehow in the bush, although... he was already starting to wheeze, we already were they thought that this would be the first person killed in our country, well , i mean right here at our headquarters, and just a moment, this is mr. roman, the kingdom of heaven is also to him, they did not find his relatives, unfortunately, so nameless, well, what a nameless grave , but there is no one to look after, there is no one, yes, he, he and the boys, when the evacuation from the village began, the green corridor was already open, they went to places where yes... there were messages of some kind, please take us there, little child, or a carriage, or a choir, there is a woman lying down, well, that’s what they did, they took people, and she, they fell into the hands of the russians, and a month after the deoccupation, he was found in the forest, his body was mined, well, that's the story,

unfortunately, having experienced all this, seeing this... how could you say, maybe turn to the people , who are in and live in such regions that today or tomorrow, we understand that the war is going on, and there are certain regions that are very close to the contact line, so to the front line, maybe it's better not to pay attention to what you leave behind there is your house, so you leave all your property in it, and you are worried about the property, maybe it is better to leave on time. yes, i am convinced that the life of every ukrainian is much more important than a place, a part, well there, i understand, i understand very well those people who lose this house, they don’t want it, it’s theirs, it’s a part of their life, it's part of their heart, it's part of their history, but we don't have that luxury at the moment

to scatter people, our people to us ... wherever they are and wherever they are, i understand that the great number of people remained and they are there for certain reasons remained, and perhaps i would also like to advise, especially, to do everything quietly, cautiously and be careful and look after yourself and those people you trust, not to put yourself in danger once again, not to try to be heroic. for the same reason, we do not have the right and such luxury to scatter people, especially people who have certain principles, who want to fight, in independence, in what conditions they found themselves, people who found themselves without any information, who lose hope, not don't lose hope,

well, the whole country is fighting for everyone time... ukraine's side is back, and no matter what, i can't imagine what they feel, but keep this hope inside yourself, and even if you have to learn to live in those conditions now, it's better to do that is, if people have decided not to leave, learn to live in the conditions you have now, because... you have to protect yourself, is it true that you had such an experience when you communicated with the russian military? and we defected when we disbanded the headquarters, we defected to our bomb shelter, because we bomb shelters ran to the headquarters, our relatives also stayed there, the next day we were taken,

conditionally and hostages, well, you can call it that, probably, ah, they were quartered in ours above us, well, that is, we were in the shelter, p' four-story building, and they were quartered above us, the equipment was placed directly under the clamp where they were. people, thus, directly exposing us to danger, and they know that the ukrainian military will not shoot at the civilian population, because it could simply cost almost 300 people their lives, they simply from us they actually dismantled other cities there, bucha, irpin from us, well, as always using a live pincer, well, like yes, nothing changes, they were as they were, inhumane in principle, so they remain, what was it like... communication, do you remember? i tried not to communicate, why, because i am one of the organizers of the headquarters, and i had to

stay out of the way, well, because i perfectly understood that if they found my phone, how many contacts were there, what messages i wrote, who i helped, on in the beginning , before we formed the headquarters, i helped military on... i understood that i might simply not survive, well, that's understandable, like, even if you don't know how the russian army works, and you didn't have this experience, you understand very well that if the enemy army comes, it will clean up those who work with theirs, but i tried to avoid all communication, but i spoke ukrainian and i was not ashamed of it, and they asked you something when you spoke ukrainian, the only thing? what they asked me, no, they almost didn't communicate with me, i also somehow tried that, my mother tried with them to talk, but, as she explained to me, there

was such a group of people, women, gathered to talk with these military men, they behaved adequately, however, compare, well, if you can call it adequate, what they do in general, but conditionally, kudos god, they let us out there under supervision, the children could go outside to breathe fresh air, they didn't try to beat anyone there while they were with us, well, i mean exactly that one day, they literally stayed with us for one day, then mom said that communication is very strange, that's why that you feel that you are being communicated with or some of their politicians or something like that, and he is like probing the soil, ugh, and who are you and what do you want, but we came to save you, you understand, that is, it was not some... yes, an idea that a person really believes in this, well, that was part of the fact that he believes in this, but it was more to understand what exactly the population thinks about, and who is ready to resistance, that's why mom is very

careful, the women there somehow started to communicate more actively, and mom looked like this, says: quietly, quietly, i understood you, that is , they tried not to create conflict situations, of course, and on march 8 they brought us wine from our own, well... the village also has large supermarkets, and they brought us wine from our own supermarket and candy, that's how they greeted you, ugh, amazingly simple, well, almost no one drank, who wanted to drink that beer, well, in principle, i don't know, i can't judge people in such situations, because none of us were like that, oh, but we didn't accept anything from them. nastya, that is where, as i understand it, your volunteering began. yes, yes, and it has been going on for more than two years, it's hard, tell me right away, it's hard, there is someone who

helps you, people who help you, who support you, who inspire you, i thought about it today, that somehow i managed in two years, there were different situations, i met different people, good, bad, honest, dishonest, it was all kinds of things during these two years. well, yes, because this society, society in general is different, but at the moment now, i managed, i think it is my merit too, to surround myself with exactly those people who can give me support that i can provide, that is, when it's really bad, i have someone to call and who will listen to me for 40 minutes, and i can cry, scream, they will come to me, give me a sedative, just... give me a hug, and i generally i do the same with those i value. is it possible to ask such an immodest question? is it possible?

are these people not military? no, no, it's girls. because, because most often, i personally know from my own experience that we volunteers can say there that it is difficult for us, but they support, as a rule, the military, because they call, no matter how hard it is for them there, they try to support you, make jokes, and when you come to your senses, yes, you realize what is really happening there and how hard it is for them, then you take yourself back to the pile, they... call too, they also support, especially, well, i worry so much when i write, i really try, this is already the second year, i try to filter my texts a lot, i never write about the fact that everything is lost, i always write, it will be difficult, well, it is difficult for us now, most likely it will be even more difficult, we must gather and fight, because i understand that those people who will give me advice, and i as a volunteer,

most likely they expect some information from me. and when we, as volunteers, start writing: everything, we will all die, there are no boys there, even if we know this information, i consider it social damage, because we are part of russian, we become, whether we want it or not, we become part russian ipso that we will lose, this war has no meaning and that it is not worth mobilizing, so i believe that whatever we have. feelings, we don't know the intention, we don't know how will this war develop further, because we are not the military leadership of this country. if we know about some situations that really make us angry, we can do what we can, but quietly, because harming our society is not possible at this moment. the only time i said about... well

, how they criticized the government, was the moment of mobilization, which is the moment of mobilization , exactly demobilization, ugh, because the fact that my boys have not come out of the trenches for 2 years, some of them did not have a vacation at all , to some there either there is nowhere to go, or there are difficult situations, i consider it wrong, for me the question of demobilization is not a question of completely excluding a person from... and none of my guys are ready to leave this war, that's the most interesting thing: they, they need a break . if they were given a month or two of human rest, where he can come to his family, see his children, spend time with them, it is very painful, men are different than women. it is a huge tragedy for them when they cannot help their family.

"they will not actively fight if they will think about the fact that his family is not fed, that his children are sick, that his wife wants to leave him, he will not think about it, and we understand that the majority of those who have not even been before a full-scale invasion, the military went to defend the country, they really, after resting, they would return to the front, because they no longer imagine their lives, how can i rest here. to mind my own business when the country is at war, so really, they came back, and they really would come back, i i don't believe, well, maybe a certain percentage, 2%, three of those who would be demobilized, after a certain time would not return to the front, but for some reason i am sure that they will all return, because, well, there are not so many we have time, if we wanted to talk with you more, but tell me, are you playing theater now?

are you acting in a movie, and how do you, if so, how do you manage to combine volunteering, because i follow you all the time, i see that your tape, your life, everything has turned into gatherings, gatherings, gatherings, gatherings, you try help, and it seems to me that you are not sleeping, i am sleeping, thank god, and i am sleeping well, i don't eat, because i forget, but i am sleeping, working, in the theater, i have several performances. play them with pleasure, it's my outlet for me, and yes, i feel mostly tired, and everyone who knows me, when i come to the theater, i say, i want to sleep, i don't want to do anything, but after the theater i i feel a surge of strength, because, firstly, it gives me the opportunity to switch and remember a little bit of my life, and secondly, it gives me the opportunity to release emotions in an ecological way, well, that is, for the role of e and well to be.