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to friday from 20 to 22. the 15th has passed, serhiy tsykhodskyi, an officer, is now in touch with us 59th separate motorized infantry brigade named after yakov handziuk. glory to ukraine, mr. serhiy, glad to see you. pokrovsky direction: describe everything you can, be kind, the current situation, president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi. pointed out that your direction is now a priority for the enemy, our command understands this, understands it, but as far as i understand, the situation is extremely extremely difficult, yes, yes, it is difficult, tense, continuous, continuous, the enemy is constantly attacking, so and the enemy, let's say, well, the successes he has, we don't say what he has success... small advances there are big and so

on, but all this comes only at the price of a large number of dead, destroyed, liquidated occupiers and a large amount of equipment, but it is continuously running, which means that it uses everything that is available, that they only have in stock, that is, yesterday they stormed on motorcycles, today there was an attempt there in the krasnohorivka area on three bmps. three bmps were destroyed, these are the occupiers themselves, that means there, well, who is killed, who is buried, and then we smoke them out there from their dugouts there, not dugouts, where they are they hid, otaku, and so on the entire front, they are shelling where artillery can reach, they are shooting, and here is the story, this is already such an active phase, it has been more, more...

months, tell me exactly about the motorcycles, mr. serhiy, that is , as it all looks like, at speed, so that our fpv does not catch up with them, let’s say, they quickly move there to the designated point, in this way, well, i will say that, as a rule, we still get them, that’s it motorcycles are destroyed by those who ride them, it was yesterday, for example, yes. that is, they push that is, not under the very, i don’t know, the front line, somewhere at one or another defined position, whether it is a line of fire or something, they disperse there, throw their motorcycles, well, move on to the next phase, throw, throw, put them in place with the hope that they someday with them there they will be able to use them, but the very understanding that today, thank god, we have, say, reconnaissance drones, and...

there are many other possibilities that we are calculating, and also, if they even abandoned somewhere, we still do not leave them intact, mr. serhiy, received information about what is on yours. the enemy has also steadily increased the use of guided aerial bombs, is this true and how can it be combated, at least with the means we have. well, guided aerial bombs are no longer within our competence, i'm talking at the brigade level, but it's up to the air defense forces of the country, to the air forces of ukraine, first of all, to fight, what we expected. f-16, first of all, air defense equipment, which we also have, we need more of them, in this way, i think that the enemy understands that sooner or later in there will be a sufficient number of us to be able to counter their own planes, and they will not be able

to fly up to a safe distance in order to make such vulnerable precision strikes, but still, at the moment it is a threat, it is very unpleasant . everyone, yes, they don’t try to fly very close, they still understand that we can get them, but anyway, wherever they get, there is only destruction, nothing else, it’s a tactic, but what does it look like they first try to fill the other territory with kababs, and then they go there some of their infantry groups, no, no, they themselves, they simply, if, let's say, they calculated something somewhere or someone informed them of something there. and they try to strike, there are many such cases when they strike precisely at civilian houses, where there is no military or military at all and there were none, so what is the question, these are terrorists, it is them first of all, they are deceiving their personnel, i am talking, their leadership, their commanders, what is the difference

between us, what is the difficulty of this, that we cannot deceive our own citizens, we say what we can tell. the maximum truth, that the situation is difficult, that the situation is one way or another, but everything is colorful with them, they are attacking, there are no victims, and if there are, they are very small, and in this way plus blackmail, plus there are threats, and here is the attack itself , we are already saying this, but what do they say about the interception, all advance to this point, there you always establish yourself and reinforcements come to you, they leave. the first group is destroyed, in the second group they report that everything is fixed, go, and they start to go when they come to place, there is no one there, well, rather, there are only bodies, either wounded or destroyed, you can’t go back, they will shoot their own, and so

this is one of their, let’s say, trump moments that they are using for now, but everything that is built on deception, sooner or later it ceases to give ... the result they are counting on, these are also the protests that are slowly arising in this very muscovy on social everyday issues, that is the question, and that , that we still destroy this equipment constantly with personnel, and on them it doesn't get much more, you understand that they can produce 30 tanks a year, and according to the official sources that we know, 30 tanks a year. and every day along the entire front line we destroy, probably such a number, every day, if you look at the reports, mr. sergey, look, you mentioned that the enemy uses motorcycles, some, i don’t know, other motorcycle systems in order to to move, maybe we should

borrow something similar, although maybe something similar already exists, and when we talk about needs of our fighters, we understand that each unit needs. additional ammunition, equipment, very often it is related to rebs or, on the contrary, systems to support fpv, drones and so on, first of all about the need for motorcycles, is it possible that it has already been satisfied, and in general about the needs of the 59th brigade named after yakov handziuk , well, we have a collection, we collect, we constantly collect for our workshops, which, let's say, deal with stuffing. other drones, oh, so, let's say, it is constantly needed in large numbers, because today the fight in the sky is unmanned, it well, it took on a character that at the beginning of the 22nd year did not exist at all, but

today it already allows, namely, the skill of our pilots allows us to attack the enemy behind his rear in a very professional manner, because i can only say that for the month of july, only units brigade, more than 2,300 occupants were eliminated, more, more than 30 units of bmp, and about the same number... of t-72 tanks, it was , well, burned and seriously damaged. this is only on our site. and how many such sections of the front do we have in general. therefore, needs, yes, in they are there in the new testament, and it, as we know, how it was stored, so we need to add them, add them. and in order to squeeze them, it is necessary, and i say once again, that we do not have indifferent people in the country, first of all, citizens of ukraine. who live here before what is happening in their country, you should not

go to the resorts now, sorry, there is no place to stay, arrange some magnificent weddings and so on, you understand, namely to help, because when a rocket comes to you, now you won't need anything, just rest only one thing would be desired, not any property, but nothing... will remain, by the way, this must be remembered, one must constantly emphasize this and say what, in what way, at what price is given this deterrence of the enemy, which today absolutely mercilessly destroys everything he can touch, but what annoys you most, you and your brothers, when we talk about life in the rear, that is, what things are the most, i don't know whether they offend or tram'. or injure those people who directly protect our homeland and the rear from

enemy, look, we understand that not everyone can be here, not everyone, this is absolutely understandable, oh, but it turns out that we give everything here completely, but every day we, well, dear serviceman, where he was, he risks his whole life, and we are ready for it. that we took this step, let's say, consciously, we know what it is for, glad for whom, glad for our relatives, loved ones, glad for the memory of our grandfathers, great-grandfathers and so on, oh, and at this very time, there are people who absolutely, well, let's say, somewhere, arise there, well, on our military there, they say something, unnecessary things, there, let's say, somewhere there, someone refuses. to drive, pick up our serviceman by taxi, yes, who came on vacation, and so on, and such

a word is very annoying, it is an injustice, yes, this is what we all cheer for, yes, be it, you can’t, you can be afraid , you think you're smarter and you can be more useful than you think, fine, then just get it, just join some meeting, join something else, you have three cars, yes, please say, i, well, i want to go to the gym to walk, for example, well, i have three cars, and i am ready to give two, it will be fair, and yes, they give, you know, i talked a lot with the wives and families of our dead, you are coming into the family, yes, there , the wife is young and there are four children, and the father is not there, this is the situation, and they all look at you, and you understand, they are all your children, for whom we, well, the state is responsible, the whole society, because... to forget, therefore one cannot pass by such situations, and

the most important thing is that these are children and wives, they are thanks to you, they somehow say with their eyes that thank you for coming, it's just that somehow we, well , try to constantly help such families of ours, support them and so on, this should be, never forget, there are no foreign children in the country, there is no foreign problems, but i would like, you know, we are approaching... the holiday of independence is our anniversary, so i would like to have such a question, what is independence, for me independence, when we in our country can calmly do what we know how to do , who likes what, while respecting each other, and when we leave on the street, we smile at each other, you know, not with a fake smile, but with such a sincere, frank, even just eyes, this, this will be right... right, and not this, well, corruption, there is everything else that today is there in individual cases

does not allow us to give such a final rebuff to this enemy, and so that he never has the reluctance to attack us, we have a unique historical chance to do it now, thank you for your service and thank you for your sincerity live on espresso serhii tsekhodsky officer 59- of a separate motorized infantry brigade literally named after yakov handziuk. was included in our live broadcast, well, from the hellishly difficult pokrovsky direction. thank you once again to the 59th separate motorized infantry brigade, separately to serhiy tsekhotskyi and all our soldiers, who ... serve with dignity. thank you and we encourage you to donate to the unit, we talked about this collection during inclusion and we ask you, please, do not be indifferent to this collection, do not remain aloof from the war, the war really affects every ukrainian, and therefore everyone in his place should do the maximum, what from him is possible in order to help our soldiers. fighters are being recruited from the 59th separate

motorized infantry brigade named after yakov handyuk, they are being recruited for... positions for bomber pilots, we don't even know to the end what these positions are, but if the fighters say that they need exactly this and that for bomber pilots aunt and aunt, well, they don’t indicate, so you just have to help, if there is some kind of financial opportunity, i don’t know, someone probably has it, but then use the qr code, in case of something, there is a link to the bank in the monobank, yes that too you can use this whole thing, well, literally a couple of minutes of pause and after it we will continue to analyze the most important things. tired of the mess in the kitchen, you constantly have to sort through a bunch of pans to find the right one, you need a savory pro set, unpack the tv, savory pro pans fold into one another and take up so little space, and the price is only from uah 999. the

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we understand that the hungarian budget did not expect this case, so i would like to immediately clarify for our tv viewers that this is not a ukrainian game in order to aggravate such relations with hungary, it generally fits very well into european policy, sanctions, in particular, so that, well, they buy less of what is called russian, in particular , petroleum products, and oil by heart, well, orban played in his energy mini-mini, there is some sovereignty there, well in this case we will treat him very badly.' that we also have something to answer to the hungarians, but on the other hand , orbán also put this peace-making ear on himself and flew around several capitals, we understand that rather... after all, he did not fulfill ukrainian messages and requests. your word, mrs. maria. well, kudos to the heroes, first of all. and, also, i will agree with

you that, when he, orban, carried out his peacekeeping mission, it was a kind of attempt, probably, to deepen his relations with china, and play a little with russia somewhere, and also... of course he is on his mission performed such a role as he collected the positions of different parties, tried to convey these positions to other parties, that is, these negotiations actually took place, the only thing is that they did not take place at the negotiating table, as many imagine, but they actually took place with the help of orban, who acted as a kind of mediator for this in this, but as we can see, so far this is... orban's peace initiative has the approval if in the european union, although i think maybe not publicly, they also, well , say

agreed to this initiative, but they do not officially recognize that orbán had any authority from the european union to do this, on the other hand, of course, that the european union is worried about this initiative, because now orbán is a critic of it and he is already there promises the leadership of the european union that he will not continue this mission, although i think that these are only words, because now there is a struggle with who, who will be able to bring the two sides to the negotiating table and somehow stop the war in ukraine, and therefore this struggle will continue there not only between orban, it can be done, for example, by meloni, who is also planning a meeting with the head of china, it can be... someone else in the european union who wants to actually continue this work, and maybe someone will manage to find some levers of pressure on

russia itself in order to somehow stop the war. well, you know, very many europeans did not like hungary's decision to open its borders to russians and belarusians, and now we are being warned that hungary will become a gateway, russians to belarusians of the european union, and together with... with that the gate for russian and belarusian agents who will work for the benefit of their states, and this is a serious security challenge for this, for all of europe and not only for europe, but also for the world, because we understand that europe is a component of this great political chessboard, and actually, what do you think, will the political will of the european union be there to appease orbán and fico, who are frankly harmful. now in the european union and they are destroying this institution from the inside, and can we to face an unprecedented decision in the near future, when one or another

state was excluded either from the european union or even from nato member states? i think it's actually all kinds of things, they 're possible, but they're very difficult and they take time. i think if we look at this migration situation, it's really... a huge threat to european security in general, because what orbán wants to do, when he relaxes visas for russians and belarusians, it means that they will come , most likely those people who would not get there now until now to the european union, because the european union has imposed severe visa restrictions on russians and belarusians since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, and now, if they lift those restrictions, actually people who... with some kind of security background, that is, people who are there , agents, spies, er, others, other similar professions, they will be able to enter

the european union, and of course, if they enter one country of the european union, then they can already travel to other countries, and thus it will be very it is difficult to ensure proper control over them, but the european union already, well, for some time now has ee... additional control at the borders from many countries, in particular, for example, germany, it has control at the borders with poland, it has at the borders with austria, with italy, etc., i.e. they are already because of the migration problem, because of the fact that illegal migration is happening, because of the fact that they transport, people are trafficked there, er, they transport illegal migrants, so what, they already have such mobile groups that they control. and for example, if a person departs from some airport from another country european, then she actually comes with an additional passport control, and of course,

she is also checked to see if she... is she not on the lists of these, but, but this system, it is, let's say, not so reliable, i think that if hungary actually opens its borders to russians and belarusians, i think that the european union will decide that hungary will actually, well, become a country that will be fully restored to the usual border control that existed before it became part of the schengen area , and from schengen they can banish hungary? they can, but this is a very difficult decision, let's say, i think that such a decision will most likely not happen, there will be some negotiations, there will be pressure, there will be blackmail with money, for example, hungary will be asked to do some things there in exchange for , that she will receive some funds, because in fact hungary, while doing all these bad things, let's say everything she does to send the european union away, she actually does it in order to be able

to bargain with them for money, because they have it. .. amount money is still blocked due to the fact that hungary is not democratic, due to the fact that they have many, well, big problems with the rule of law and so on, that is, they have not already received the money, they want this money, and that's why i think , that one of the options could still be that on the one hand they are doing good to the russians and belarusians there, i mean the authorities, and on the other hand they want to bargain with the european union in order to take the money that the european union gives them not. yes, well, look, well, i'd just like to come back to it again to your question about an unprecedented step, is such a step possible at all, because there has never been such a thing in history, and plus we understand that at the moment there are no legal mechanisms to implement it either, well, but that 's all, what a step, martus, a step that i said is it possible in the near future to deprive hungary

of membership in the european union? because it openly engages in damage, openly behaves defiantly in relation to all possible rules that exist and possible norms, yes, that are established in countries european union? i think that it is, let's say, everything new is always possible, there is one question that it is very difficult, that is, i know that some countries have already initiated the exclusion of hungary from the eu itself, but it is clear that... er most likely such a decision would have to be supported by the majority of countries, that is , the european union would have to work out some kind of legislative framework in order to do such and such, accordingly, this will definitely not happen in the near future, the only thing that the european union can do is to limit funds, maybe some more sanctions to be introduced in relation to hungary, and the third thing is to introduce proper border control, ordinary border control with hungary, such exists.

before they became a member of the schengen zone, or, for example, which exists between ukraine and poland, for example, that is, the border absolutely, well, with all posts, with all inspections, etc., but the very process, the very exclusion, this, this not so easy, a country can suspend its membership by itself, it can withdraw from any union, and as we know, an example is there, once france suspended its membership, now... great britain left the european union, but if the country itself were to be excluded, it would be a shame to work on an additional razor, because, well, because you already know this, it goes beyond the scope of all healthy gluttony, but god forbid, they would exclude hungary from the european union and it would join the csto, for example, the russian bloc, who would be worse off than us or,

well, this is a very debatable question, it is very specific. to the question, yes, that is , we would have received such a hungary before belarus, okay, let's take a break, unfortunately, maria heletii, candidate of political sciences, international expert, well, very interesting discussion, unfortunately, unfortunately, news, yes, we will pass the floor to kateryna shiropoyas, i hope we will learn a lot of important things now, katya, we will pass the floor to you and share, please, what’s up managed to find out. greetings, colleagues, in a moment we will promptly tell about the most important news as of the 17th, so i ask our viewers to wait and. do not switch.