probing society or preparing citizens for difficult and unpopular decisions, in the conditions of a difficult situation at the front, the unwillingness of the world to put more pressure on russia, in ukraine, talks with the kremlin are increasingly being talked about, and not only the authorities are talking, the number of ukrainians who allow this scenario is also increases my name is vlasta lazur, this is svoboda life. 57% of ukrainians believe that ukraine should enter into negotiations with russia in order to try to achieve peace. these are the results of a survey conducted by kyivskyi international institute of sociology. sociologists note that the number of those who agree to negotiations with russia has increased by 15% compared to november 23. similar were the results of the survey in may 22nd. at that time, 59% of the surveyed ukrainians answered that ukraine should start negotiations with

russia in order to try to achieve peace. it must be said that during the last week the topic of potential negotiations with russia was raised quite often and in different contexts. well , perhaps the loudest statement was made by volodymyr zelenskyy himself in a conversation with by french journalists, he said that ukraine is ready to see russia at the negotiating table during the second peace summit. i believe, like most countries, that at the second peace summit in november. representatives of russia must be present at the meeting, otherwise we will not achieve real results. i do not want them to block the preparation of our joint peace plan. if the whole world wants to see them at the table, we cannot be against it. well, i will also add that the bloomberg agency previously wrote that ukraine plans to hold a second peace summit before the presidential elections in the united states, and they will take place on november 5. well, in addition, this week the president of finland suddenly announced that russia and ukraine have come to a point where ...

negotiations should begin, according to him, the principle of reality is that if we participate in negotiations, that is, in the second summit it is planned to involve china and the countries of the global south, well then they say it is necessary to involve russia as well. well, here it is also worth noting that moscow did not officially confirm its readiness to send its representative to the second peace summit, well, in in the context of potential negotiations with russia, it is probably also worth mentioning volodymyr zelenskyi's decree from the fall of 2022, which talked about the impossibility of conducting negotiations with vladimir putin. perhaps public opinion in ukraine will force zelensky to change this point of view. i will once again remind you of the latest sociology: 57% of ukrainians believe that ukraine should start negotiations with russia. but what is important, in this same survey, 66% of respondents said that ukraine should return the territory under its control by 2014, including donbas and crimea. that is, it turns out that the majority of ukrainians are not ready to apply. territories,

but at the same time they say that negotiations with russia are on time, this is how to understand it in terms of sociology, and in relation to negotiations that may or may not take place there in the near future, we will talk about this further, oleksiy garen joins our broadcast , scientific director of the democratic initiative foundation named after elko kuchariv, professor of political science at the kyiv-mohyla academy, i congratulate you, good day, look how it turns out, but i already said that the majority of ukrainians say that we are not ready to cede territories, but at the same time they say, well , we should start negotiations with russia, how should such sociology be read in some practical plane, or what do such numbers say? well, they say that ukrainians are actually normal people, yes, because when it comes to this first formulation of 57%, they believe that ukraine should enter into negotiations with russia.

should enter into negotiations, which negotiations, in what format, c multilateral or not, and whether these negotiations are limited, well, for example, for example, these are negotiations on either the freedom of navigation and the restoration of the grain corridor, or the withdrawal of russian troops from the zaporizhzhya as, or negotiations on polonet. yes, well , these negotiations are going like this, we know, yes, there are mediators and so on, so, let's say, in the fact that the ukrainians are saying that yes, we are ready for negotiations with russia, well, this, yes, this the number is increasing, but i don't think that it is exactly that, that it is disturbing, it really is contradicts the fact that at the end, at the end of the autumn of 22... zelensky himself spoke, and

there was a decision of the national security and defense council that we would not hold negotiations, but it seems that it was not with russia, but while putin is in... . even with putin, i think it was specifically with putin, yes, with putin, who is in power, and i think that at that time, there were fears that, let's say, pressure would be put on ukraine so that, relatively speaking, three minsk agreements were concluded there, and that was exactly what it was for a decision was made that does not allow ukraine... any leadership to enter into such negotiations, to sacrifice ukrainian interests, that is, it was a demonstration that we will not make compromises at the expense of ukrainian interests, yes, although

indeed from a formal point of view we see a contradiction here, because the decision was made then, yes, but the situation is developing, it is now the 24th year, two years, two years. arrived, it is developing, and you rightly said that you know when ukrainians are asked about negotiations, ukrainians say, yes, but when they are asked specifically, so, are we going to make any territorial concessions, are we going to give up membership in nato and the eu, as a price for peace, the ukrainians say no, and here the numbers are very high, and yes, yes, yes, that is the question then in me: to you, look, well, any sociology, or there is public opinion that prevails, it gives a mandate there to some extent, or it is a signal for the authorities to do something or not to do something, when we get such sociology, what signal will it receive , the ukrainian government receives, the ukrainian

president receives, and so to speak, what actions are they taking after that they may or may not decide, well they obviously do. cannot sacrifice ukrainian territory and what the ukrainians themselves say, as well as security guarantees, by the way, the cmz recently conducted another poll, and there was a question, if for the sake of peace it is necessary, as it was formulated, to make some territorial concessions , are you ready for that, and there the ratio was... it was 52% versus 32%, yes, so that's 50 2%, if i'm not mistaken, but more than 50, they said absolutely not, and 22% they said, well if for the sake of peace, then you can talk about something, and it

went for a walk in everyone, and, that is, journalists spread all this very widely, but they did not take into account that, and there further in the press. options were drawn up, that at the same time, the ukrainians are not ready to sacrifice their security, yes, that is, let's say, the ukrainians said, well, we, well, this third of the ukrainians, that we are ready to concede something there, yes, but not with security guarantees from the side, from the side of nato, so if the situation continues, it remains open, let's be honest, that to a large extent the situation will... depend on what is on the battlefield, what weapons have reached us, what weapons have not reached us, how the new president of the united states will behave and many other things, because it is obvious that if it is possible to mobilize the west on support

of ukraine, well, then our negotiating positions will be stronger, but professor, for the time being the presidential elections will be held in the united states, ukraine wants... to have time to hold this second summit by then, and maybe there, well, we already well if there for example, russia will be present, and it doesn't matter at what level, it will still mean something in the context of the future negotiations, it's very difficult for me to say this, because it is not yet possible to answer this, because the russians have actually already said that they will not go, and i think, to a large extent, that this is precisely the multilateral format in which, after all , the overwhelming number... it supports ukraine, as the first, the first summit showed, not all, but it supports, yes, and therefore russia completely may not go there, yes, i don't see any, let's say, any confidence that russia

it will go to him, regarding the desire to hold this peace summit before the american presidential elections, well, you know, it seems to me that... well , this does not only apply to our leadership, that very often someone can come from the leadership of other countries, can cause trouble if he sets himself a deadline, but by this time we... have to secure a peace conference, and then it turns out that it is difficult to do it for one reason or another, so to be honest, i would not take it upon myself here, well, the desire can be expressed, but i didn't type on commitments that we will hold before the american elections, we will invite russia, well we will invite, but she will not come, but again the question is not just to hold this global, second global peace summit, but to hold with it with... with certain results and make it so that at least

50 countries plus signed the communiqué of the first summit, yes there are 87, ah, that is, we must not reduce this figure from what can be understood from those messages, which ones came from the president's office, which ones, well, how do you remember communique of the first summit, it was about three three. issues, yes, that is, nuclear security, food security, and the return of children, yes, that is, the humanitarian component, so it was heard from the president's office that they plan to hold separate meetings on these three points in different places, yes, which will be further to work out exactly, exactly... these moments, well, it is more or less clear, yes, but what will

the second peace summit look like, i don't know, i'll be honest, i don't know, i would be here too, well, i think that what else times, which is very difficult when you set a deadline and say, we want to do it, okay, we want to do it, and then we don't succeed, of course, if at the same time we can shift the responsibility to russia, then that's... good, because before the russians, they speculated that there is a decision of the national security council, it prohibits negotiations, the ukrainians do not want negotiations, here we say, why, well, please come to the second peace summit, that is, rather, i think, russia will refuse, but here now we we can shift the responsibility to them, that it is they who do not want negotiations, that is, it will go a difficult diplomatic struggle with... with diplomatic various combinations, but again, i return to the fact that you and i

understand that diplomacy is necessary, but diplomacy is based on strength, on our successes. so, if we manage, with the help of our western partners, to stop the russians, to change the situation at the front, well , then it will be easier for us to act on the diplomatic front as well, we will have better negotiating positions, well, actually, at the front, we are now communicating with the military, and they state that it is very difficult, but necessary to say that during the last week, not only volodymyr zelenskyi made some statements about russia's participation in the negotiations, i recently quoted the president of finland, he said that the moment had come when, when, when, it was time to talk about negotiations, and he was just arguing it is because ukraine is in a better position than two months ago. because some kind of weapons are coming, financial support has been restored, and all

these conversations, after all, i will return to the main issue of negotiations both inside ukraine and what we hear from the outside, as it should be understood now, is this sounding of the soil, is it after all the preparation of society for the opinion and for the fact that negotiations are inevitable and possibly inevitable on terms that are not very favorable for ukraine, or the answers to this question not now? and what the president of finland said, he was right that we are now in a better position than two months ago, but still i think that this is not enough, the russians continue to try to advance, we need to clearly stop them and maybe sometimes go over in the offensive, yes, to have better, better positions, again, whether it's going to work or not, i don't know, well, i hope so, but i don't know, in terms of what we're seeing from the... these polls, well, let's not jump right into the words treason or

victory, yes, so that the latest polls, this is what you, what you started the broadcast with, well , it clearly says, well, yes, we are in favor of negotiations, but we will not give anything of ours, that is , if there is no betrayal here, and on the contrary, it restrains the government, yes, it fuse, certain, public opinion, although, well, it's obvious that... the number of people who are tired of war, it's growing, but all the same, it would be good, where are you, if you could show the figures that... 66% are against territorial concessions, more than 70% are against refusing to join nato and the eu, because these are very bright, bright numbers, thank you it is very important to you that there will be many, many different polls, many different interpretations, and our polls,

the statements of western politicians there, let's... so that the words of treason are heard less here, ukrainians are tired, that ukrainians do not want to continue the struggle, they are ready to sacrifice their territories, it just seems to me that it is just for the nation, which is in the third year in the state of war, these results, they are quite good, but if there was more western aid, then i think we could count on better results both on the front and on the diplomatic front as well, thank you very much, haran, scientific director of the foundation for democratic of the ilko kuchayev initiative and professor of political science at the kyiv-myhylya academy. thank you. thank you. well, while ukraine is preparing for the second peace summit and hopes that various countries will be represented there, including those that were not present at the previous one, it is china, the countries of the global half of the day. well, in the end, russia remains a question. meanwhile, the chinese foreign ministry

announced today that it had received the sino-brazilian plan to end russia's war against ukraine. a positive reaction in more than 110 countries of the world, that is, ukraine has its own plan, it is the well-known 10 points of the peace formula of volodymyr zelenskyi, and china is simultaneously promoting its own and it declares that in 110 countries of the world it has been supported or there has been a positive reaction there. actually , this chinese-brazilian peace plan consists of six points: china calls stop hostilities, well that's actually, let's stop shooting, start negotiations, avoid attacks on civilian infrastructure. nuclear facilities, to oppose the use of nuclear weapons, and china says that it is necessary to support international cooperation in energy, finance, trade, grain, transport, etc., and what is interesting, if earlier china proposed a 12-point plan and there was a clause about respecting territorial integrity of all countries, then just in the new plan that china is talking about today, the mention of territorial integrity has disappeared, as it

should be understood here in ukraine, oleksandr mereshko, people's deputy, servant joins our broadcast. of the people and the head of the committee on foreign policy of inter-parliamentary cooperation. good evening. good evening. oleksandr, what do you think about the chinese peace plan and what does it mean, it received a positive reaction in 110 countries of the world, it means that it was supported there, opposed to the ukrainian plan, how should we understand this? well, it's very easy to understand, such crazy popularity of this so-called peace plan is explained only by its completeness meaninglessness because the more... the plan, the more pointless it is, the more likely you are to know it, for all the good versus all the bad. this so-called peace plan, it is even worse than the previous one, which consisted of 12 points, and there was a main point that was quite constructive, where it was said that international law should be respected, in particular the united

nations charter, and in particular such the most important principles of international law, such as the principle of territorial integrity, the principle of respect for sovereignty and independence of the state, that is, in my opinion, only one point is enough: compliance with international law and implementation, and by the way, president zelenskyi's peace formula is precisely the practical implementation, the specifics that fill this important point, that is, i see this option as chinese - brazilian is no more than such a propagandistic one. or a pr campaign, and what does it mean, oleksandr, after china does a lot, well, at least, more precisely, i apologize, kyiv does a lot and not only in words, but also in deed, minister kuleba recently visited china, ukraine really hopes that china will participate in the second peace summit, and here china comes out with this plan, it means that during all this time

, ukraine has not been able to sway beijing to its side, well, the point is.. . that with the help of this so-called peace plan, china is trying to cover up the main thing in a propaganda way, and the main thing is what is said in the declaration of the washington summit, that china is, i quote, the main factor in the russian war against ukraine, that is, china in this way trying to create visibility that he is fighting for peace, although in reality he is very actively supporting his junior partner, without limitation, the aggressor state. that is, it can be understood only in this way, but at the same time, i believe that our diplomacy should continue to try to ensure that china, for example, takes part in... the second global peace summit, i believe that this is a constructive approach, i i don't know how many chances he has to succeed, but at least such diplomatic efforts should be made, even

when the chances are slim, why, why would china participate there, if you yourself you say that they are running around the world with their propaganda plan, well, there is still hope that they can somehow be convinced, and not only ukraine, but first of all it is about the influence of our friends and allies of the united states and the european union. and, by the way, they are trying to make china somehow limit itself in helping russia's military-industrial complex. that is , we must try to continue to act, because we understand that china has leverage over russia. if it is possible to somehow convince china, well, i am not sure of what personally, but if it can be done, then it can contribute to the cessation of russian aggression. that is, ukraine, realizing that china is playing on russia's side, still does not lose hope to somehow, to some extent, to a greater or lesser extent, to sway china to

terms of peace, ukrainian peace, as ukraine sees it? that's right, you have to, you know, work hard, and this is the essence of diplomacy, this is the essence of diplomacy, and the work of a diplomat, to still, even if it is about... an ally and a friend of your enemy, but still find arguments and levers of influence, in order to either limit aid to the enemy, or to attract one's side. we started our program with the peace summit, we talked about the peace summit, the second, and maybe china will be there, maybe china and russia will be there, how do you see the second peace summit, if china comes there and russia comes, or maybe only china? and russia will drag there to the last and will not come, or maybe it will come, but at some level, and whether it is at the level of putin or not at the level of putin, which can you outline for us now

the scenario to understand, and how it will be, because even zelenskyi said that it seems that ukraine is ready to see russia at the second peace summit? well, at the moment, to be honest, it is very difficult for me to imagine how it can be, and whether it will be possible to convince, for example, a representative of russia, it is clear that it is unlikely to be ... the kremlin dictator, that is , putin, to be represented , more chances to convince china. we managed to convince india at the first summit, india is such a geopolitical competitor china may succeed and be encouraged to involve china in this process, and here we are talking about the main thing, and the main thing is the observance of international law, and this is the essence of president zelenskyi’s peace formula, but e. russia can join only as a result of very great economic pressure , political from both the united states and

the european union, including from china and india. why should russia join this peace summit, and why should the world press for russia to be there? well, the world has to press on and on, because in order to give back the international legal order, which was... was actually destroyed by russia's crimes, russian aggression, that is, it must be done, it is about restoring the international legal order in the world, and i don't see any signs of russia yet, because this is not even about russia, but each dictator, he thinks in terms of his own survival, what does it give to stop, for example, aggression, how will it contribute or, on the contrary, not contribute to his survival and political and physical survival. by the way, that's why putin, putin doesn't have any now such motives in order to agree, for example, to the implementation of the peace formula or

to the restoration of the international legal order, but this is a matter of pressure, that is, it is necessary to intensify the pressure, then from what you said, i do not understand the meaning of volodymyr zelenskyi's statement, here he is says, i believe, like most countries, that representatives of russia should be present at the second peace summit in november, why does he think so? well, as far as i understand, he was very cautious on this subject, he said that he could, and, i, well, he could only introduce my own point of view on this matter, i believe that we should demonstrate to the whole world our good will, that despite the fact that we are a victim of aggression, but we stand for a just peace, peace based on international law, and we are open. to this peace, but on the basis of international law, and this in the eyes of the world, well, the whole world and the global cock, we also

look like, well... a state that fights for world order and justice and peace on a global scale. why do you think there have been so many statements from ukrainian politicians, both from the president and from western politicians, about the prospect of negotiations and what they said, the moment has either come, or it is coming, or it may come soon, where does it come from, well , i think it is the due to the fact that all are waiting for the results of the elections in the united states, and it seems to me that such issues really need to be resolved when it is clear who will become the new president, in order to coordinate the efforts of ukraine, the united states, and our other partners in this direction, and well, it is rather connected with elections in the united states, it seems so to me, but ukraine wants to hold the peace summit before the elections in the united states, and

yes. perhaps, perhaps, this is due to the fact that , regardless of who will become the president of the united states, there should already be a certain political legal framework related to the in which, in which, let's say, framework, the answer must be sought and solution, the cessation of russian aggression, and if in the ukrainian parliament, or there in your international cooperation committee asking. you for russia's participation in the peace summit, it is on par putin or at the level of minister lavrov, does the ukrainian parliament have a voice here, or do you give it completely to the president's office? well, we are guided by the constitution, the fact is that according to our constitution, foreign policy is the prerogative of the president, and he must decide this issue. uhu, that is , the parliament will not oppose, if now

the story is with negotiations. and with russia will go into some wrong corner. well, it depends on the specific situation. nara, at the moment i don't see any signs that the situation is going to a stalemate angle. thank you very much. oleksandr mereshko, people's deputy, servant of the people and chairman of the committee on foreign policy of interparliamentary cooperation. we talked about the prospect of negotiations and the prospect of holding a second peace summit with the possible participation of russia. thank you very much. well, for now. in ukraine, there are all these discussions about the second peace summit, about the participation or non-participation of russia in it. meanwhile, russia itself implemented a large-scale exchange of prisoners and returned 16 of its citizens, including fsb agents, spies, killers many believe that the western countries that participated in this exchange, primarily the two largest, the united states and germany, have opened pandora's box. vladimir putin personally welcomed at the airport

the russians... who returned as part of this exchange with the west, the plane in russia was met with a red carpet and an honor guard, putin hugged and shook hands with each of the arrivals, among whom, by the way, was vadym krasikov, his sentenced to life imprisonment in germany for the murder of a former chechen field commander. embracing krasikova, putin said to him: "hello." killer krasikov was almost the most desirable figure for the kremlin, and it seems, personally for putin. in germany, the exchange of krasikov was accepted ambiguously. relatives of his victim said that the news of the russian killer's release was shocking to them. it was a difficult dilemma - said the head of the german foreign ministry, analena berbok, because while saving innocent people, germany had to release a hired killer from russia. by the way, the german newspaper dizeit wrote that it was berbok who was one of the ardent opponents of krasikov's exchange. she considered it wrong to negotiate with russia for the purpose of taking hostages, well, that's a

big deal. the account is only a tool of foreign policy. this exchange is called unprecedented both in terms of format and scale. for the first time , the exchange agreement included not only those involved in espionage cases, but also several russian political activists convicted in russia for anti-war statements or actions. why putin agreed to this exchange just now, what trumps, so to speak, he gets from this exchange, as explained by alexander vershbow, former ambassador of the united states in russia. listen. it's hard to say for sure, but i think putin may have weighed the benefits from his point of view of bringing back some of these different characters, like krasikov and other crooks and computer hackers, as a way to show that russia is not giving up and saving its own , if they are caught. perhaps he feared that the deal might fall apart if he waited until after the election. i think we were also interested.