president zelensky called me, we had a good talk, and i said that this war must be ended. you are dealing with the russian war machine. all they do is wage war. they defeated hitler, they defeated napoleon. the spring offensive never happened. the russians have millions of shells and thousands of tanks. many russians were killed, but many ukrainians were also killed, this should not have happened. are the ukrainians themselves ready for... possible negotiations, a survey by the razumkov center, conducted in june at the request of the publication the mirror of the week testified that 44% of ukrainians believe that the time for peace talks has come, while 35% do not agree with this opinion, but this is tylu's opinion, what the front thinks, sociologists do not know, the defense forces continue to make incredible efforts to restrain the enemy in order to , so that ukraine, if... the time for

negotiations really comes, would be in the strongest possible position. greetings, this is the saturday political club, my name is khrystyna yatskiv, i am very happy to return to our conversations with you, together with vitaly portnikov, who will definitely appear tonight at your screens to talk about what matters most. only a little later, and before that i will have the honor to talk with our esteemed experts about the most important events of today and several previous ones in order to, you know, somehow finalize even some processes at this stage, of course we will talk about the military situation and the probability that ukraine finally has the long-awaited f-16s. in addition, let's talk about the latest messages. with which we were amused

at the general staff, we should not overlook the fact that what is happening in the united states in the context of the pre-election race, kamala gary, it looks like she will be elected as a delegate from the democratic party of the united states, but there are also scandals there, in addition to this, we will talk about an important liquidation, what may or may not and no, change. the situation in the middle east in the near future, all this with our guests, all this with vitaly portnikov, and we begin. let me start with one of the most recent messages from the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. defense forces of ukraine struck a submarine boat and the s-400 anti-aircraft missile complex of the russian federation in the temporarily occupied crimea. this is once again an official message from the general staff. information about this attack, which was carried out on september 2, has already been confirmed. august

, units of the missile forces in cooperation with units of the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine and were significantly damaged, you know, not a lot, not a few, but four launchers of the triumf air defense system. and as a result of a successful attack in the port of sevastopol, ukrainian soldiers hit a submarine of the black sea fleet of the russian federation rostov-on-don, which was already receiving for nuts. the ship sank on the spot. as for this ship, you know, there was. especially interesting to collect a little additional information for you. submarine b-237 rostov on the don according to nato classification is the kilo class. it is one of four kilo-class submarines capable of using caliber missiles. rostov nadonu was the carrier of four kaliber missiles. it is known that he already used them even in a combat situation. and this submarine appeared in the black sea. in february 2022, actually for

one week before the full-scale invasion, but so far there is no accurate data that it was from this submarine that calibers were launched on ukrainian cities: rostov nadonu was put into operation on december 26, 2014, and in 2017, and this is significant, it received a prize from the russian military command, as the best submarine of the russian federation according to the results of the zma. well, this is a rather rare operation in the history of soldiers, so we congratulate our military and thank you for this precedent. i'm glad to congratulate anatoliy hrabchynskyi, who is in touch with me now, deputy general director of the company engaged in electronic warfare and aviation expert. mr. anatoly, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory, congratulations. if there is anything to say, a few words about recent messages. from the general staff, i understand that it is

more about the sea, about ships, about ships, but less about the fact that when calibers fly from these ships, even submarines, then the sky is directly involved. minus a caliber carrier, an underwater caliber carrier, to what extent does it slightly change the situation in the black sea? in your opinion? i would remind you that in fact, if we talk about the use of caliber missiles, russia has recently accumulated a little of them due to the fact that it could not use ships to launch those missiles. so basically the minus one of all is something that we emphasize all the time, in terms of aircraft assets, that you have to destroy the platforms directly in order to reduce ... the possibility, so to speak, of using any weapons that these planes or ships in in this case they can carry, i am once again pleased with the destruction of the triumph launchers, these are systems that are included with anti-aircraft defense, which is in crimea, as

you know, lately crimea has become a place of destruction for russian anti-aircraft defense systems, that is, they are redeployed there and destroyed there. and this conveyor, in principle, about four, or more precisely, maybe five divisions of the s400 system were destroyed directly in crimea, so in principle, i would say additionally that an example of the complex use of ataks missiles, storm missiles should be given here shadow scalp, intelligence bepola ukrainian, because definitely these reconnaissance guns perform a guidance function and help knock out important objects. in the temporarily, temporarily occupied crimea. ugh. well, mr. anatoly, the f-16, which is probably finally, finally at the disposal of our state. so much has already been said, said in anticipation

of receiving these planes, said even this week, while we are discussing and even talking about certain photos that may indicate that they are already in our skies, and their f-16s. the amount that will be available to us as a state and our military all the functionality that the f-16 can provide? well, again, let's start with the fact that with those letters of assistance from our western partners, for the weapons of the summer that will be provided with these aircraft, unfortunately, there are no long-range jasinsu missiles yet more than 100 km, up to 1000 km, i apologize. and as for other weapons - these are air-to-air, air-to-air -to-surface missiles and aerial bombs, which will significantly affect the capabilities of our air force, because in principle, if we talk about what was carried out by air defense forces,

it was both bombing and the launch of the same anti-radar missiles to destroy the enemy's air defense, and the launch of class missiles. and air is air, but for the interception of the whole air or for the interception of missiles, but it should be noted that in principle, if we are talking about the use of this very weapon, which in principle was previously also used on mik-29 aircraft, but what, what should be done here to note that the planes were converted to be able to use american weapons, then here now there will be a full functionality of execution, that is, we are talking about the fact that there will be... the weapons will be used from the aircraft for which they were originally intended and developed, therefore, in principle , the range of possibilities is expanding here, and i would not pay attention, for example for the remark that ukrainian f-16s will be able to fly

only 40 km to the line of combat or to the border with the russian federation, they will do everything in order not to fall under... the possibility of defeating russian air defense equipment. it should be noted that, if the task is completed, of course the air defenses are destroyed first. as for the 40-kilometer zone, it should be noted here that, in principle, most of the weapons provided by our western partners allow working at a distance of up to 200 km, and this allows a forty-kilometer zone and plus 160 km deep into the temporarily occupied territory or deep into the territory of the russian federation , but here... it should be noted that once again, we need permission from our western partners to use certain types of weapons on the territory of the russian federation, because in in principle, there are permits from our western partners to use aircraft on the territory of the russian federation, as well as over

the territory of the russian federation, but still, the range of weapons must be increased and the geography of strikes must be increased. of course, we work very qualitatively with our canvasless ones. systems on russian airfields, on russian oil bases, but still agree, 450 kg of payload in a rocket is much better than what we can do with our unmanned systems and... they can, well, up to 100 kg. and today, the general staff reported that the morozovsk airfield in the russian federation had been hit, and it is probably about the liquidation of a warehouse with guided aerial bombs. and the issue of cabs, well, unfortunately, we understand very well what it means for the front line, what does it mean for our military? moreover, even our newer cities already know this, and it is demonstrated in kharkiv oblast, as well as in kherson oblast, very

vividly, unfortunately. nevertheless, the attack on the russian airfield is not the first precedent, can we talk about a systematic approach? this year showed a systematic approach and an increase in the number of flights of unmanned aircraft systems over the territory of the russian federation and an increase in the number of damage to directly important objects. here i would like to draw attention to the fact that ukraine actually chose the right ones. the way to build any systems against unmanned aircraft is one sortie, one hit, one sortie and qualitatively collected intelligence, that is, we are saying that the main emphasis in creating unmanned of aviation systems, which are now being presented to manufacturers in ukraine, to engineers, this is a high-quality high-tech tool that can be guaranteed to fulfill the combat task that is in front of it one hundred percent, or... additionally collect the necessary intelligence information or provide the same in real time other unmanned aerial vehicles on important

objects on the territory of the enemy. and therefore, in principle, if we talk about what is happening this year, then let's also remember the strike on the millerov airfield. marozovsky has already been hit several times and strikes against important objects on the territory of the airfield are usually used. i definitely we are waiting. everyone can finally see that the planes have already been torn to pieces , the runway has been dug up, but there are strikes on important strategic objects, if we are talking about morozovs, these were warehouses with fuel and lubricant materials, and these were directly warehouses with weapons, millerovo was hit so itself and in warehouses, and the technical part was also directly affected, this is an important component of any airfield that is close to the zone combat reporting and performs a maintenance mission. and the rapid repair of even aircraft in order to further use them on the line

of battle, in principle, it was in millerovo that the technical unit was hit, let's remember the destruction of the su-57 aircraft, this is also a strategic task, because in fact the destruction of the aircraft at the airfield, here, by the way, the airfield is the airfield, which the russians use to test the latest weapons, that is, we are talking about the fact that there you... at one time, these same ipc modules for bloody air bombs, and the x69 missile, which recently appeared in the russian federation, as well as the x101, x 555 missiles were tested there at one time, and in principle we are talking about the fact that it was there that aircraft 157 was directly hit, most likely with a possible some kind of upgraded or some modernized equipment, which in the future russia planned to use it against ukraine, but nevertheless they suffer important blows. on important objects on the territory of the russian federation, and actually according to the analysis of some of yours

colleagues, the morozovsk airfield regularly hosts su and 24, 24m and su-34, maybe even several su-35, and here, mr. anatoly, i have a question for you: su-35 versus f-16. how soon and, well, let's put it this way, in what section we can ... witness such an air battle, air combat between these aircraft, although we understand that for now the f-16 is, well, to reinforce our air defense forces , in order for us to defend ourselves first of all, but everything is ahead, and you know, sometimes when we watch some american films there, we wonder why the heroes fight each other with their fists, when everyone has a gun, but, well, let's go back to the fact that... clear aerial combat eliminates the possibility of visual contact, why? because most of the radars on airplanes

allow you to see any aerial object at a distance of more than 200 km, that is, we are talking about the fact that you can capture a target in advance and launch a missile and be sure that this target will be destroyed, so i am more than i am sure that there will be russian su-34, su-35, su-30 aircraft to be afraid to come close to the strike zone of f-16 aircraft, and because, after all, all the weapons that the russian federation has ... improved and an attempt to make high-tech. weapons, let's not forget that the soviet union stole most of its military developments from our western partners as well, so in principle i am more than sure that confronting such visual contact is not will be, in any case, taking into account the possibility of f-16 planes, taking into account the same aim-120 missiles, which can work at a distance of 185 +m, that is, note, plus it

is implied that it will be possible at greater distances to work, so i think that... that the russian planes will have to work harder and they will probably not enter the zone of possible action of the radar equipment of the f-16 aircraft. it should also not be forgotten that we are expecting saab long-range radar detection aircraft, and here we can say that at the expense of a single the protocol on which these aircraft operate, it will be possible to count on the fact that any air targets that will fall within a radius of 550 km of the saab aircraft can be just as... hit by f-16 aircraft, so in my opinion, again in any case, the f-16 aircraft will perform much better than we all expect, because in principle the aircraft was quite well made with a large resource and with great capabilities, it should not be forgotten that they have been repeatedly modernized and this

is the most widespread aircraft , which is active used in most air forces, relative to summer. of russians, well here, in principle , let's remember that in fact , there are about 30 so-35 aircraft at the komsomolsk plant on the amur at the dry plant, which cannot take to the sky, because most of the electronics that this aircraft needs are under sanctions, they can't get it, so they're trying to do something with what they have now, and again, let's remember that most of the aircraft that russia is producing now for tactical aviation are aircraft that ordered by the ministry of defense of the russian federation back in 18-19. and i am asking you very much, mr. anatoliy, to make a brief comment, but the information from forbes is that in july of this year, ukrainian units released more long-range drones than

the russian federation. ours - 520, and the russians - 426. all that... well, most of what the russians released, our air defense forces, of course, defeated, what can the emergence of such a trend indicate? briefly? a very large number in ukraine companies engaged in high-tech weapons, not only the end result is high-tech weapons, there is also a large competent base, and here it should be noted that ukraine is now able to provide the armed forces of ukraine with all high-tech weapons such as drones of any type, as well as means of electronic struggle of course, good financing is needed in order for manufacturers to be able to make predictable purchases, for manufacturers to be able to work at full scale of their production. thank you, anatoly hrabchynskyi, the deputy general director of the company engaged in radio electronic warfare, an aviation expert was in touch with us, but we are moving on to the next important question, what is happening in the united states, at what

stage is the election race there and in touch with us oleksandr kraev, director of the north america program of the foreign policy council of ukraine. prism, americanist. congratulations oleksandr, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, good evening to you. well, we can say that kamala harris becomes a delegate from the democrats in this presidential election, do i understand correctly? yes, it is absolutely true, that is , the democrats who defend the right to early voting in the official presidential elections as well, who defend such a right at the level of congressional elections, in principle , use such early voting at their own congress of the democratic party, so in fact already now it can be clearly said that this is how kamala harris secured a sufficient number of delegates to become the presidential candidate of the democratic party. well, to what extent we see, little by little, ms. kamala is chipping away at donald trump, her republican rival, in seven

key states so far, at least according to a bloomberg poll. speaking of scarves. birch trees, which ones, in what disposition is the situation now, mr. oleksandr? in fact, so far those early polls that were before kamala harris was officially nominated for the presidency, well, let's just say, they're not entirely accurate for us for one simple reason: we still haven't seen her team, we we still haven't seen her vice president, we haven't seen her clearly formed strategy either in foreign policy or in domestic policy. and that's why one way or another, but so that we understand that surveys give a clearer result, that the survey is really created on the basis of what the people who are surveyed, they know what they will do. this candidate, what are his views on certain problems of domestic and foreign policy, then you and i will be able to clearly say that either ms. curry or mr. trump are ahead of each

other by such and such percentages, and this there really is verified leadership. at the moment, we are rather talking about a trend, but the trend that is emerging is very interesting. kamala haris was able to gain such a percentage of american support in just three weeks of the campaign, at least in the context of the trend prevailing the previous year. a year of operation of donald trump's pr and political technology company and the same period of operation of joseph biden's company, which indicates to us that the question here is not so much about harris specifically, not so much about who she is and what she represents, the question is that she represents a change, her last name is not biden and not trump, she is a young politician who will change this establishment, and accordingly such an increase in her rating indicates to us not only her success, but rather that there is a demand for a young leader. and mr. alexander, how do careless statements affect the chances of kamala harris in general, i don’t know whether it

’s about caution, or whether it’s about the sincere, you know, internal such firmware and opinion of the republican leader donald trump, when he resorts to such rhetorical figures , as a general analysis of her skin color, e.g. or her positioning of herself when... he resorts to language that deals with the religious leanings of americans, how does all of this affect the race as a whole? well, you know, for those who are already ready to vote for trump, for his nuclear electorate, this once again confirms why he should be president, because this is how he, you remember, in the 16th year he appealed to this: i'm an honest man, that's exactly the wording, i'll talk to you openly, that's how i'm a billionaire. yes, i didn't pay taxes, i cheated the system, but i'm talking honestly, i'm not like these washingtonians in suits who sit and tell you how to live,

i'll honestly show you how you can become as rich and successful as i am, and what he can afford now, what in america is called racial slur, i.e. humiliating racist rhetoric, the fact that he allows himself to treat himself with such pathos, but at the same time humiliate his own opponents and also appeal to... religious topics, and appeal is not always quite successful, it should be said , it just shows that he runs a campaign on his own behalf, he does not try to win new voters, he does not try to please those who do not support him at the moment, he is sure that he will have enough votes from his electorate, he is sure that they will vote for him, because it is him, and therefore he can to say anything he wants, he need not excuse himself, but nevertheless, it means that he can hardly claim to emphasize who else would hesitate somehow, because, if we are talking about the united states and americans in general, the question, color, skin, religious

preferences, these are very sensitive topics, and to go as far in using, again, these rhetorical figures as donald trump has gone, is unlikely to reflect well on his ratings, again among the undecided, or at all against him, right? absolutely right, you are right, he, i think he realizes that he will not be able to win over these people, these people are already giving their votes to kamala harris, because she represents them, first of all, not by skin color or ethnicity or something , she represents their demand, their demand for a different leadership, for leadership that neither trump nor biden, it represents what they want to see in american politics, youth, determination, initiative and inclusion, so trump is really well in... just, let's say, physiologically there is no chance to fight for this audience. trump's logic is slightly different. let's remember how he won in the 16th year. in the 16th year, he

lost the national vote by several million votes. but he won in key states, and he got the numbers he needed support in the electoral college. and in fact, now trump's bet is just to win a sufficient part of the support of the electoral college. it doesn't matter to him that the conditional 5, 8, 10 million americans there support kamala harris more than trump, it doesn't matter to him that independent voters will not vote for him, it could be important to him to win key states, and plus, let's put it this way, he me seems to analyze statistics well, because let's not forget that the electoral college is 78% more represented by the generation of donald trump than by the generation and groups that kamala harris represents, so he's not only hoping to win in key states, he's hoping that at the very end...he can appeal to voters and create what's called an electoral college rebellion when they vote the wrong way, as their states voted. vice president from kamala harris. or on

kamala harris's team, as it is, firstly, considering all the candidates, now the most likely, how it might affect the chances of the democratic nominee, and whether it might , in any configuration at least, affect the donald trump's chances. you know, it's pretty easy to say here, because of the five key candidates, they all have a few key things in common. they are all white men, middle class. minus older people with a lot of experience in federal politics, with a lot of experience in local politics, most of them are either affiliated with the jewish lobby or part of the jewish minority in the united states, most of them represent, or rather all of them represent the moderate wing of the democratic party, and this is key for kamala, after all she still has a train of socialism behind her, she is, after all, a representative of the more left-wing circles

of the democratic party. those who call themselves progressives, well, according to european political parameters, this is what we called social democrats, and therefore in order to unite the party around itself, so that there really is no question about its impartiality, it needs the necessary vice- the president, who will represent the very center of the party. accordingly, this was one of the reasons why kamala haris once became the vice president. biden, who is informal leader, precisely the centrists in the democratic party, needed someone who would appeal to the youth and appeal to the progressives. that is, to the left wing, and kamala harris became the one who embraced the socialists and progressives on the side of biden. now she has to turn this situation around. and as for trump, well, you know, it's not so much a question of how much vice president kamala will help, as the question is how much vice president trump is sinking his ratings right now, because vice presidents are usually what they call sweetener, switner, meaning he's going to show the president in a more positive light, he

's got to appeal to... a group of voters and help the candidate win more votes, and now we see that jd vance's anti-rating within the gop is minus 6%. that is, we are no longer talking about other voters, even within his own party jadi is far from the most popular, so in fact , i think trump will be hindered most by his own vice president. well, actually, mr. vance didn't really hide his visions about donald trump, just a little earlier. i wonder why, why something changed, and why donald trump himself could forget about it. mr. oleksandr, thank you for the quality analysis. as always, oleksandr krayev, director of the north america program of the ukrainian prisma council on foreign policy, is an americanist, and we will, of course, constantly return to the topic of the latest events of the election race in the united states, because it concerns the whole world and it directly concerns us. a short pause on the air now and we will continue. there are discounts until the day

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