er, er, salenkov, when i mention salenkov, i think about navalny, about yashin, about karamurza, i think that this is roughly the same situation. starinkov absolutely did not understand russia, the russia that appeared, and he was sure that he understood, because, well, he lived in russia all his life, he was engaged in revolutionary activities there, he was the commissar of petrograd during the time of the provisional government, how could he think that the country in which he... spent so much time has changed so literally in 6-7 years that it is a completely different country, and putin's russia, it is 2014, and even more so after 2022 , changed beyond recognition, it so often happens when the regime goes from authoritarian to totalitarian, there, by the way, sainka was already killed after lenin's death, ugh, this is important. the rubicon for the soviet

union and for the capabilities of the nkvd forces of these forces, so i think that there is such a problem here that they do not really understand the country in which they live, they talk about some kind of political activity, so we have to go back to prisons, to set an example, but that's not all, you understand, that is, their influence on the real russia , the real one is not what they have in their heads, but the real one is zero, and it turns out that when they return... to russia, or do not leave russia before the threat of a court sentence, they not only shorten lives, they actually create opportunities for russia to hold them as hostages, and then exchange real spies for them, you know, when a person goes to prison because he does not even imagine that he can become a victim of such repression, this can be understood. from

the head of the orlov memorial, like him, he was engaged in public activities, which seemed to be completely legal, here suddenly they found some article when he once wrote, you know, and they imprisoned him for discrediting the army, it is very difficult to predict, because the conditions of the game change every day, or our colleague from radio svoboda, she just came there to her mother, left russia and... here in kazan, they say: "oh, you have american citizenship, you didn't register, you have a fine, oh, you in fact, we should have registered as her agent, oh, and we they saw that you were editing a book, and this is all month by month, that is, at first a person does not even think that even a policeman is detained there, so you have to pay a fine and fly on, no, but this is a different situation, on the other hand, of course, the question how is it even right to come to russia if you actually work for an organization that everyone hates, but that's another story, it's hard to predict."

to the end, especially when you're not in context, but when you live there and sincerely believe that your landing will become some important element of it in the political process, then again it says that you do not understand much about what is happening to you, this is a huge problem for all these people, and i noticed it a long time ago, to be honest, they have moved after all, maybe they have always lived in such a quite and real... world, because they don't know their population, that's when i heard at their first press conference khrystyna that sanctions should be lifted so that ordinary russians don't feel bad, oh, you and i got of this question, the ukrainians naturally exploded, and so did pivovarov, a figure from orbit khodorkovsky, in fact, and volodymyr karamorza, in principle, with one voice, they all began to speak with one voice about the fact that the sanctions in the form in which

they currently exist hit ordinary russians, and in no way do they cause any particular damage to the regime there, this, this is an additional evidence of their lack of understanding that it was the russians who created this regime for the most part, and they still endow the great russian people with some, i don’t know, divine, just righteousness, and they do it for nothing, well that idiocy. well, imagine some anti-fascist in 43 or 44 saying: you know, these bombings of german cities to destroy the german military industry, they are killing ordinary germans, who are actually very negative now about hitler, obviously it is necessary to fight, but with whom, with hitler, with goering, with goebbels, with kaltonbrunner, and what does it matter here that ordinary germans, cheneyites are not supporters of this misanthropic regime, and vice versa. when you do them wrong,

you only turn them against you, dear ones allies, well that's it, it's strange, isn't it, although now we can say as much as we want that we are also in pain. or that during the second world war, the historic centers of german cities were destroyed, civilians were killed, this is all a huge tragedy, but who started it, you can find out who voted for hitler, who was extremely enthusiastic about the start of the second world war and with this idea of ​​expanding living space, who for many years after the second world war considered hitler the best german chancellor of all time and nations, not the english but the french. and no, and not the americans, but the germans, ugh, this is a pretty good question, and here, you understand, they all made up their own minds, and navalny too, that they are political figures, that they can one day win in some elections, which there are none and

may not be, and that they should not thereby say something that will turn against them the vast majority of what they consider to be their potential electorate. and that is why they should be the defenders of ordinary russians. putin is bad, you are good. and there is nothing new in this. this mantra is from the 18th and 19th centuries is. it is necessary to go to the people, work with the people. our aristocracy is criminal, our people are good. and why did they report us to the police , put us in prison, surely people are dark, we need to educate them, work with them. well, this populism is famous, ugh, what ’s new here in russian history, and now it seems as if putin himself walks around the houses of ukrainians somewhere in buchuchi borodyanka, presses all the buttons himself, controls all the planes himself, as if they are not russians go

to the army with these contracts, it's all putin, a russians, in principle, they are beautiful, wonderful, nothing happens to them. that's the number one question, why is that, uh, why is this an amazing idea that they have and why do they live with this idea, because they think all the time that they're politicians, and they're not political things, well of course , you can imagine that in more or less cannibalistic times, yashin could be elected a deputy in some district there, but that doesn't matter, well, you were elected a deputy in the district. do you deal with some kind of sewage and some other district matters, plates, names streets, well, that doesn't affect the system, you only legitimize it, because the system always says: you see, we have such a democracy, we even have yashin, a critic of putin, a district deputy, ugh, and by the way, what

is yashin doing in his first interview, he says that negotiations are needed, people are dying on both sides. a tragedy, it is clear, of course, it may be unpleasant for ukrainians, but we will say it clearly, the ukrainians say that putin will have time to prepare, but they will also have time to prepare for a new war, well , not a russian one, but a chinese one methodology, let's say so, that's how it turns out, it's strange, but there is another point, christina, i don't... they were put in prison, because by and large they defended our truth as well, they opposed the war, you see, the difference from a political point of view, this is not a reason for what we thought, let them

sit there for 25 years, because you can go too far, it is also about the same thing that the russians were counting on when they killed irina faryo, but many people did not support so they should rejoice that she was killed, and her supporters will be in mourning and there will be division, and we said: listen, well, the problem is not what her views are, and our views, they killed a ukrainian citizen, a ukrainian politician, a person who believed in ukrainian statehood, and if we had other views, so we discussed with her what this statehood should look like, it is not a question of political busts, so it is here, we may have different views with karamurza, yashino there is a half-ovary, but they were... against the dictatorship, against the war, well i say again, yashina, we can disagree 3 thousand times, but he was put in prison for criticizing the war, he was put in prison simply because he was against the war, we say a lot, but why don't russians oppose the war, yashin spoke up, he was put in prison for a long time, and that's why,

of course , the release of these people, if there is such an opportunity, is an absolutely normal humanitarian duty of the west, if there is an opportunity, i say once again. but returning to the question of what putin received as a result of this exchange, on the one hand his murderer krasikov and his ilk, and on the other hand, well, in fact, he received lobbyists the lifting of sanctions from the russian federation, or the modification of these sanctions so that they, i think, do not matter at all, i will tell you honestly that there are many people who are representatives of the russian opposition, who say that they are against russia, ordinary the russians must lift sanctions, they have been saying this since 20202, some will say it more, some less, you understand, this will disappear, as it always happens in the information space, well, the first press conference, well, the thesis, well, we talked, then people disappear from the information field,

are already appearing among other russian oppositionists, i do not at all, i do not believe that this has any serious political significance, because if it is decided that sanctions should be lifted from russia, they will definitely be lifted not because the russians say so oppositionists, but now there is no reason for this to believe that this will happen, so you understand, the problem with sanctions is not this, the problem with sanctions is that... we have made a clear discovery in these 2.5 years that in the world has two economies, the economy of the west, the economy of the global south, and the by and large, sanctions, even the strongest western sanctions, cannot force someone to take any decisive action, if this head of state can survive at the expense of the economy of a country in the global south, this is a huge danger for the future for everyone, because we have been saying since 2014, what if the west introduced sanctions against russia, sanctions from hell,

the most sanctions, but then putin would stop the war, but they do not introduce them, and the west said, oh, if such sanctions are introduced, putin can start a big war, so it is better to continue working economically, that he needed some kind of interest, you remember, yes, uh, northern stream one, northern stream two, we will ... interest him in business, and then in 2022, all this did not work, no one was interested in anyone, a big war began , sanctions from hell appeared, limits even on prices for russian oil, europe got rid of russian gas in a few years, and what, and nothing, well, russia has problems, but not those that force putin to stop the war, why, because oil china buys oil, india buys oil, and other countries of the global south cooperate with russia, turkey, saudi arabia, south africa,

brazil, major economies, all of them. of course, the volume of western economies cannot be compared, but can the chinese one? yes, chinese is possible. ot. so it turns out that it just doesn't work anymore. and the west did not understand it, and we did not understand it. that here is this important argument that was always supposed to work, it didn't work. there is. which are under huge western sanctions, three russia, iran, north korea. against this background of these of huge sanctions, north korea has developed its nuclear program, has atomic weapons, china helps it survive, iran is close to creating an atomic bomb, north korea and iran are helping russia with weapons, two countries that are under. western sanctions on north korea, even sanctions approved by the un, can help other countries

with weapons. sanctions not only limit, but also untie hands, in a sense, it turns out. well, the problem is not even that, but the problem is that iran is under such serious sanctions, and president trump even his time came out of this nuclear agreement to iran. was under sanctions so that its economy would not develop, and here is this iran, which remained under sanctions, firstly, close to an atomic bomb, and secondly, organized a large-scale attack against israel, well, let it not end successfully, because its managed to repulse it, but it was a large-scale attack, and nobody in iran is dying of hunger in the streets, although in russia nobody is dying of hunger, and i will tell you that it is by and large a vicious circle, and it much more important than what it says there karamurza from yashin and pivovar, that the west cooperates fruitfully with china,

cooperates fruitfully with india, invests huge sums of money in their economies, buys their products, the purchase of their products, stimulates them to buy new volumes of oil, gives them dollars, currency, they then buy in oil and gas of russia, because they need all this in order to further sell the product. to the west , they still settle with russia in yuan and rupees, that is, they do not lose anything at all, but one way or another, russia can provide itself with a certain social standard for this money. of the military-industrial complex, and this can continue ad infinitum, the chinese supplies russia with parts, so to speak, of parts, let’s say, for military products, maybe it does not supply the weapons itself, let’s believe here what sydzimpin tells president zelensky, but when you supply

two parts to build a weapon with, then it's still the same as you. arming, and this is what confuses me much more, you see, because the fact that the west will not lift any sanctions against russia, i think you understand, i understand, i will tell you more, karamurza, karamurza and yashin also understand, they are experienced people, they understand everything perfectly, they say this not for the west, but again for this conditional russian electorate, which, in their opinion, may one day appear, i doubt it. oh, but at the same time, this is what confuses me more, because i don't see any reason to believe that there was nothing for the russian economy for the departure of jews, except for the amendment, so it will be with these sanctions, the war will end, there will be some agreements, trump will be president

what if trump becomes president it doesn't matter who the state is? not the president, it will not be in this term, i tell you once again, the president may already be kara murza, not trump, and the amendment will be in effect, in the times of the russian federation, in the times of yeltsin, this amendment was simply suspended for a year every year, it is not canceled, so why is trump here? at this moment, trump may lie somewhere in the grave for a long time, not because he will be killed, but because he will already be 100 years old, well, let him live to 120, so to speak, but he is not eternal either. so what is this it doesn't matter, that is, some sanctions can be canceled, but again, it has to go through the congress, agree, you understand what the cancellation of sanctions is, you have the sanctions of the european union, they were adopted unanimously, they can be canceled unanimously, if one country , conditional poland

or conditional estonia, says, sorry, we don't think we deserve it, there will be no lifting of sanctions. unless the united states congress votes to lift the sanctions, there will be no lifting of the sanctions. and this is a whole, these, a whole story for ten years, in everyone in russia understands this very well, that there will be no more cancellation of sanctions, that this is not related to the war at all. they can demand something there, relatively speaking, remove the limits on the sale of our oil so that we can sell it at a higher price. it can be, the limits can be canceled. is there any possibility of safe transportation? products that are not subject to sanctions, let's say, there are agricultural products, something else, it can be anything, but it does not solve anything definitively, what is really important, it is true, is the possibility of unfreezing russian assets, this may interest them, because this is, relatively

speaking, rough money, and these are not sanctions, these are just assets that are not issued to them, but they are there, and they are there with ... they are not receiving profits from them, but they are there, they can talk about it, but this is not only a small part of the sanctions policy, but the real sanctions policy is financial transactions, for banks, it is a ban on the sale of a whole range of goods there, which is cooperation with various firms, you do you understand that if such a number of firms in concern... to the banks, if it has already left, then it will take 20 years to return to it too, well, again, khrystyna, well , remember how many of these western firms came to ukraine without any sanctions, but in our in 1991, this communist system collapsed, a market economy began, and what, we have western concerns, not really, we have, i

apologize, we still have what year, 2020 is the fourth? we still don't have starbucks, still, it's just a simple example, uh, we still don't have ikea on the scale that this the concern is in europe, i’m just telling you, just calling, so to speak, the brands are understood by the ordinary consumer, i’ll allow myself a little trailer, many economists say that star and ikea have their own considerations regarding the market in ukraine and regarding the solvency of ukrainians on the topic of their products, and the presence of our competitors. of the corresponding level as well, well, but it’s so remarkable, in many small central european countries, where the market is smaller and where there are fewer opportunities, they always opened these e

brands, and this is just one example, of course, it is correct, there are considerations, but now imagine a company that needs to return to russia after years of war, sanctions and so on, and this company also begins to count, and what not to return, and what is there with the market, and are they able to buy, and is this not a risk? but we will come back, and after three years we will be told again that we have to leave, we are introducing sanctions, you cannot continue to work there, it might be better to wait 15 years and not return anywhere, why should we go back there, we would rather go to mexico than go in a country that has just arranged a war, and where is the guarantee that it will not arrange it in a year, who will give us a guarantee, this is business, so i tell you again, no one will return anywhere then... this train has already left, so you see, there certain brands return to ukraine because they can afford to come back and come and go, because it is not related

to their reputation, on the contrary, it shows how they are uh, i would say humanistic, that they even in a country in which there is a war, they are ready to work on the market, and everything will be absolutely perfect with russia otherwise, so no, that's all, you know, as they say, dead, dead. and in this regard, i am not interested in this at all, i mean, i am interested in something else, how the russian economy can survive for a long time, when it becomes part of the chinese economy, when chinese brands, chinese investments, chinese participation in the military-industrial complex and in the consumer market , well, the russians themselves did not expect this, they thought when the sanctions would start, they were preparing for it, they were preparing, i would tell you... for many decades, when president putin first became president, after a few years he began to tell the oligarchs that they should withdraw money to russia or to some friendly countries, that he does not guarantee money to anyone in the west,

why they kept part of their assets there is another question, but i heard such conversations since 2000, and lo and behold, now in this same situation we see that in russia. prepared, prepared, decided that when there will be western sanctions, they will refocus on the countries of the global south, diversify the risks, but they refocused only on one china, exactly for one china, and this is a really serious problem, mr. vitaliy, regarding the events in the middle east, i also cannot help but ask, this week was crowned with the elimination of the leaders of hamas and hezbollah, as for hezbollah, it happened. after 12 children died just on a sports ground in israel, we certainly understand the scale of the humanitarian disaster in the gaza sector, but

we return to the topic of what started with terrorist approaches, the proxy armies of iran in the first place, the elimination of the hood hamas happened in tehran at the moment when the newly elected... president was taking the oath of office in this country, one of the high-ranking diplomats from the european commission was even seconded to this event, which is very interesting. and the first question for you: surely, we should not hope that the effectiveness of the activities of these terrorist groups will change in any way because of the fact that one of their leaders died, right? no, it's wrong, and i was a very serious figure to me, and if it's true that mohamed deif, the leader of the military, also died. hamas, this is a pretty serious blow to the structure, ugh, and this, by the way, can seriously change the situation in the negotiations on the termination,

because there is information that ismail haniyaka was just trying to disrupt these negotiations all the time, firstly, because he was always very strongly connected with the erants and with by russians he was the first to go to moscow from the hamasivites back when he was the prime minister. they invited him there, plus his contacts with iran, secondly, he just has such a political position, he was considered soft there from the point of view of relations with israel in general, but it is not clear what this softness was, we saw how he behaved on october 7 in the 23rd year, when he was simply happy that those women's children were killed, but together with this in the approaches to termination. precisely military actions, he turned out to be a very tough negotiator, who all the time refused the final result, and those khamatov people who are in gas, yah i'm a sinvart, let's say, they were already ready for

certain conditions, and he kept breaking them. that i suppose that his very death may change the situation, if, if it does not lead to a greater one escalation in terms of the exchange of strikes between iran and israel there, that's another story, so no, it's the zmi, and it's basically, as you understand, if you destroy the entire hamas politburo, the effectiveness of this organization will be very badly damaged, so if no more khaniya, no more deif, khaled mashal remains yahisenvar of such rather serious people, mahabed. marzouk, but he does not play such a prominent role, this is a problem for them. chania is generally a big problem. this is a person with a huge number of political connections. and the level of connections that he had and trust him, no one from hamas has ever had this, international, i mean. and this is a man who was said to have $4 billion in wealth there, which he could also use for hamas, so it's not

a joke. but here is another story. another story is that the iranians, of course, cannot help but respond, they are just scared, no one understands how this happened, because at first they said about a missile attack, now they are talking about some slardy christian, well, what kind of shells are they, what did he kill, two people only in a big house where many people are already there, you know that next to the room , there were apartments where the leader of another terrorist organization of islamic jihad lived. well, nothing happened to him at all, so something happened there in this very room of the khaniya, and if it is true that the mossad used employees of the security system, this security service, the top leaders of iran, which obeys the command of the islamic revolutionary guard corps, then you can

imagine how ayatalah amani feels. and other iranian leaders, that is, if their bodyguards can be involved in planting bombs in their own residences, so who will protect them? that's why they are scared in the literal sense of the word, it just shows that they have no security, that they have a wooden state, by the way, do you remember that the russians wanted to bribe zelensky's security guards, do you remember, but we they found out about it, but the iranians didn't? every time we say that we do not always have an efficient state, but here it has already turned out that we have a more efficient state than iran, imagine that someone comes to us , they put a guest of some protocol ceremony and he's killed in his own suite, can you imagine the level of infamy in general, well that happened in iran, but again, if they're talking about what they should respond to, it's important how they should respond, their idea, what they have respond to israel so that israel will never

again... do this in tehran, the same not, not even at the request of history, but about tehran, israel could not do it 10 thousand times in qatar, where haniya lives, but they do not they want to spoil relations with qatar, that is, to put qatar in such a situation, but with iran yes, but how can they respond, what can they do after one of their latest attacks failed, that's also the number one question. ugh, and we will definitely look, because the israeli response and the further development of events depends on what the iranian strike will be, what it will be, what its effectiveness will be, what is the problem here, the previous iranian attack turned out to be absolutely useless, because iranian drones and drones s...