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interpretations in the so-called peace plans, and of course, we will analyze what our enemy is preparing. today's guests of the west studio are mark fagin and daniel frith. now the legendary american diplomat, former coordinator of the united states state department on sanctions policy, a person who can be called the flesh of the american diplomacy glory to ukraine, mr. ambassador, frit, i am glad for you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. well, the key story is the huge election drama in the united states. yes, we understand that there has been an extremely important replacement of the democratic primary candidate. we in ukraine sympathize with the democratic camp, of course, not all of them and we cannot express this matter publicly, but president joseph biden allowed us to withstand the russian onslaught, russian aggression. we...

appreciate it so much, but we just don't know why we should expect from donald trump, and if we even know, then we do not like this story to the end, but in any case, in the united states, races on the front line, activation of the enemy, so in your opinion, what do the ratings show and what will ukrainian politics be like camelys i know vice president harris, but i know her national security adviser, phil gordon, very well. we have known each other for several years, judging by her speeches and what i know about phil gordon, kamal garis in the position of president will continue the support of ukraine from the us. in there is no doubt about that, as vice president kamala harris met with president zelensky days before the full-scale invasion. she participated. at the munich security conference

in 2022 and also met with him there. they also had joint meetings later. i will say that this year's speech by garis at the munich security conference is worth re-reading. to me, it fits into the american tradition of supporting the free world, which, as president biden said, goes back to harry truman and ronald reagan. all presidents, with the possible exception of president trump, have followed this strategy, and i'm sure she will. dear mr. ambassador frith, you have the feeling that everything in the world is so serious that you can seriously wait for the outbreak of the third world war. as far as iran being interested in what is called the next stage of the third world war, we understand that some dictatorships, like the russian one, they do not have the opportunity in an economic way to... change the rules

of the game, they tried to change the rules of the game the world chessboard with the help of weapons and aggression against ukraine, and they are mired in war, and accordingly the appearance of fundamentally new additional format death sites, when we talk about the middle east, it can be in the interest of those players who want to change the global decision-making system in general , and this is not about some possible new yalta, here in general... it is about the change of what is called the post-yalta world, whether it is good or bad, but we live in it, yes, and when global disturbances begin in general, this can lead to consequences similar to those experienced by european and world humanity in 1914-1918 during the first world war. i do not think that iran is capable of acquiring global status. player, because as long as

iran is within its current political system, a theocracy, its economic development will be stunted, and its industrial and business ties with the... with the outside world will be limited, so iran will be limited to being in opposition, supplying weapons and drones of russia, and will also help russia and itself avoid sanctions. iran will not a serious global player due to its economic limitations. you mentioned the new yalta, that is, the international system. so, the russians, the chinese, and i think the iranians would like to see a world in which there are spheres of dominance. would have its own sphere, china would have its own, iran its own, and countries such as ukraine would fall into the sphere of influence of one or another great power. america, in its years of wisdom, opposed such agreements. roosevelt agreed in yalta with

stalin, but almost immediately regretted his action. harry truman would not agree to the soviet sphere of dominance in europe, neither over poland nor anywhere else. therefore, i emphasize that... the states stand for a free and independent ukraine, capable of choosing its friends and its place in the world. russia wants, and the ukrainians know this well, for ukraine to belong to russia, that is, to completely rule over it. so, we have a clash of two worldviews. the problem with the russian view of the sphere of domination is the complete lack of stability, because russian domination over poland and ukraine would mean for these countries. poverty, slavery and conquest. the poles would not put up with this, the ukrainians would not put up with it either, and they have every right to do so. the world of empires and spheres of influence is not a stable world, it is an unjust world, it is a non-prosperous world.

the usa, starting with woodrow wilson, strives and not without mistakes, tries to promote the idea of ​​a free world system, a system of rules, a system in which smaller countries are protected. we simply know how it ended for the whole world that the united states did not ratify either the league of nations constitution or the corresponding changes on the european continent, as a result of the american policy of isolationism, hitler came to europe 15 years later, well, now hitler in one or another incarnation came much earlier, so we in ukraine are trying to stop him. mr. ambassador frit, at the same time, there are other stories about a possible second peace summit, there are some plans, in particular those announced by former secretary mike pompeo, and so on and so forth, that is, a certain process is underway, in the russian federation, for example, they are waiting

for the most, of course, the american elections, in which trump would win, and then he would they started playing four eyes, yes, vladimir vladimirov. with donald fridvikhovich and so on, and we are also extremely worried about this in ukraine, this is a negotiating point, how do you assess it now? it's good that you mentioned mike pompeo's plan, because you've probably come to the conclusion that there are different views within what i would call trump world. trump himself often advocates the division of the world like yalta, for the distribution of spheres of influence, where he and putin will simply... come to an agreement at the expense of a country like ukraine. however, in trump's world there are other personalities who advocate a more reaganist, so to speak, policy and greater support for ukraine. michael pompeo's article in the wall street journal, in my opinion, was an attempt to influence trump's world

to support ukraine and move in a more reaganite direction. there are many things in mike pompeo's article that i disagree with and yet support. we ask ourselves, is his plan generally a useful and effective approach to ukraine? i will answer that it is quite possible. i repeat that i do not agree with everything, but that is not the point. the point is that mike pompeo is pushing back on ukraine's support, which makes him closer to the biden administration than he himself would like to admit. however, it suits me. in trump's world, there are debates about these issues. i think it would be very good if...representatives of the ukrainian government, the polish government and all the governments in europe addressed the people in trump's world and tried to convince them that ukraine's business is also our business. the success of ukraine will also mean the success of the united states. so i

think you've made a very good point about the plan pompeo. his article is not the only one, and yet it is much better than the plan proposed by general keith kellogg. the pivot point of which is a ceasefire on the current front lines, plus a us promise that ukraine will never join nato. it's a much weaker position, no doubt, so i... that pompeo's starting point is much better. this is just a debate, though: trump may or may not win the election, but it's good to see that in trump's world some are still advocating for, shall we say, a reaganite road map. of course, sanctions are not enough. the key story is to force russia to sit down at the negotiating table and change some or other parameters that they constantly escalate, that is, all their negotiations are not reduced to their ultimatums, and this means that they are not ready, and they hope that during this

winter, they will cause our people simply indescribable pain and indescribable suffering, and after that, of course, they hope that ukraine will become more compliant, and various signals are coming, when many politicians there say, well, everything depends on the ukrainian people, and when i hear it, i understand that it's to pe'. measures of pharisaism and cunning, yes, this history is the history of all civilized humanity, repelling russian aggression, with all available possible resources, but we see that this is not completely successful, i cannot understand how to explain it, yes, because we are in ukraine , now the month of august has begun, and we are already living and trying to understand what awaits us this winter, i agree that the democratic free world should increase economic pressure on russia and increase military aid

ukraine by intensifying the supply of weapons and lifting restrictions on their use. in my opinion, ukraine should be limited in the use of weapons only by the laws of war, which are mandatory for all civilized countries. but there should be no additional restrictions other than that. we have to help ukraine. and put more pressure on russia. as you said, this could change putin's negotiating calculations. now he is also waiting for the us elections. he may think that he can negotiate a better deal with trump. we can only guess, but no it is unlikely that he is counting on this. if we increase the pressure on russia, if ukraine continues to successfully defend its territory and inflict heavy losses on the russians, if... it is able to continue strategic attacks on russian facilities and, with the help

of air defenses, limit the impact of russian strategic attacks on the ukrainian energy system, then the situation for ukraine can improve. ukraine has never refused negotiations, at the beginning of the summer it held a quite successful peace summit in switzerland. russia, as you say, is not interested in serious negotiations. it makes demands that are deliberately too categorical to be taken seriously, but things can change. we in the free world must do what depends on us, and then we will see. i do not rule out any negotiations, but it is certainly not the americans who should tell the ukrainians what and when to do. there is a proposal by mike pompeo, which we discussed with you, and there was a phrase about 500 billion. lendlis for ukraine, we understand that it sounds very convincing,

especially in ukraine, there are 500 billion dollars for weapons and so on and so forth, but there are also the realities of the united states, right? how do you see the situation with the biden lendlease and what would the situation be, for example, with the trump lendlease or with some other lendlease, we understand what we were going through six months ago. actually an extremely, extremely terrible situation, because we did not have resources and money for these resources, now the situation has improved, but this is war, war always eats and burns money. pompeo proposed lendless, in part because trump and some in his circle have said that we should lend money to ukraine, not finance its defense just like that. now i think that the support of ukraine. by giving it money for defense and giving it weapons to defend american interests. i

support that position, but i'd also rather have a loan under the landless brand than have no help at all. so i think that's what mike pompeo is getting at. there is an additional source of support for ukraine, this one about 300 billion dollars of frozen russian assets. many europeans. oppose the transfer of these funds, therefore they agreed to use the interest from this amount, which will accrue in 20 years, which is almost 50 billion dollars, to help ukraine. and it's pretty solid, it's a really good step, and i think the details are being worked out right now, even though ukraine doesn't have access to the rest of these frozen finances at the moment, i'm sure the pressure will gradually increase. in the end, i believe that the support of ukraine from the us and europe will be continued,

as it should be, because it is in the interests of freedom, it is in the american interests. and i i think that... plan b, in any situation there should be a plan b and a plan c. i do not believe that, for example, donald trump will become president, but i cannot rule it out, yes, we understand that our friends on the european continent are also seriously preparing, but we understand that france or germany alone, their readiness to support ukraine will not be enough, because this is history. not even only about money, this is a story about human resources, and i would really like to make the project successful, which 100 years ago in 1920 put the bolsheviks literally on the limits of survival, we are talking about the polish-ukrainian security alliance, in simple terms, the pact between petlyura and

pilsutsky, yes, unfortunately, it was not completed, and we understand that the fault in this is not even only certain political elites, it was a great fatigue after the first world war, everyone wanted to end the wars as quickly as possible, and the polish national democracy also actively implemented its other plan. i believe that polish-ukrainian friendship and union are of crucial importance for the security of both countries and for europe as a whole. we can come back. until the 17th century, when the inability of poland and the zaporozhian sich to cooperate ultimately worked in moscow's favor. poland was and is a faithful and consistent friend of ukraine. the poles are persistently pushing the american government and the biden administration to provide aid to ukraine. they do this both publicly and privately. the special ambassador of poland to ukraine,

pavel kowal, is a long-time supporter of polish-ukrainian friendship. he has been friends with ukraine for many, many years, and such there are many poles across the political spectrum. there are historical issues between poland and ukraine, but you are absolutely right that pilsutski and petliura understood the need for close cooperation between poland and ukraine. this need remains relevant to this day, and not only in the name of our own national interests, but also in the interests of european security and everything. free world that is why i think that this tradition should be remembered and followed. and the last question, dear mr. ambassador. you generally see the light at the end of the tunnel, like that they say in ukraine. it is not known how this war will end, but there is a well-founded prospect of ukraine's relative success. if

ukraine can keep its territory, limit russian gains. to a minimum and achieve very high losses for russia, this will indicate the potential for success. if ukraine can continue and intensify its strategic attacks on russian military targets, and if it can limit the effectiveness of russian strategic attacks on ukrainian targets, this will also indicate the potential for success. ukraine succeeds practice successful attacks, especially against russian... facilities in crimea. if it can maintain this momentum, and if the west gives it the support it needs, there is a reasonable prospect that russia will not be able to continue its war in ukraine. the minister of foreign affairs of poland stated that in two years russia's potential may decrease, although this is a long time and a difficult prospect. and yet this is a potential

outcome. are you asking about the light at the end of the tunnel? yes, it is not an easy road to him. but it is there. are there other options? yes, there is. we are on the west, the united states and europe, have the opportunity to influence the outcome if we do our job and support ukraine as much as possible. if we put pressure on russia and give ukraine the weapons it needs, it could make putin either unwilling or unable to continue the war. not to me as an american. what should ukraine do, instead , ukrainians will have to make these decisions. by the way, i believe that the future of ukraine should be in nato to prevent russia from negotiating. about the ceasefire, and then to regroup their troops and attack ukraine again. it is quite possible that ukraine will emerge from this war as a free, independent country,

a part of greater europe and a member of nato. could russia be defeated in its attempt to conquer ukraine, which could have a profound and beneficial effect on russia itself? so you ask, is there light at the end of the tunnel? i answer: yes, but first... the thorny path, the tunnel is long and difficult, and you, without any experts , know this, but i see a reasonable prospect of success. thank you very much, sir ambassador frith, for this extremely important conversation for all of us. i would like to remind our tv viewers that ambassador daniel frith, ex-coordinator of the united states department of state for sanctions policy, an iconic american, was currently working on espresso. diplomat. laughter, physical

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mark fegin, a figure of the russian opposition in exile, a well-known video blogger, ex-detat of the state duma, glory to ukraine, mark, glad to see you, will be working on the espresso tv channel. glory to the heroes, i am happy to welcome all the viewers, congratulations anton. the attempt on ilya by... and so we understand that the enemy used shakhet this time, well, accordingly, this immediately raises many questions, and perhaps hints at many answers, when we talk about the so-called strange arrivals, yes, and this, of course, can apply not only to the current situation, in the near future, well, but in any case, in the kremlin, they took a note of water and do not say anything about it, regarding the attempt on ilya ponomarova, then this... it was completely predicted that among the people whom the kremlin would like to destroy, and among russian emigrants, oppositionists, ilya ponomarov occupies an honorable place, and he is not the only one, there are several others,

and there is an operative one. information provided by services that provide an active project are looking for ways to destroy some effective part of russian oppositionists abroad, regarding a certain number of people, this is known, it is not a secret, especially since drones have already flown to the house of ilya ponomarov in the kyiv region, it is difficult for me to say anything about the technical side, maybe the kyiv region it is more difficult to cover with air defense means, kyiv itself is like that, and to prevent strikes on the kyiv region, the means may not be enough, and there is danger there. higher, but ponomarov's address was not a secret, drones, shaheds or gran-2, as they are called, had already flown there, therefore, this is not news, there is something else: as far as i understand, he came to kyiv, spent the night at home, they could have informed some agency that he was in the house, i know that he was in america, and the drone is sent when they want to kill a specific person, not to destroy a building, therefore, they receive some operative information from some agency, maybe in kyiv, me

and... ponomarov is writing just now, so i think, most likely, such attempts will continue in the future, where it is possible at a distance, with the help of drones, and somewhere there will be attempts the murders of some people will be sent, what is important here, it would seem, why would you kill him, what makes him more dangerous, or the same, this is generally a false assessment, they do not assess from the point of view of specific dangers arising from a political leader, they need to demonstrate to everyone , that you will not engage in such activities, support. to promote russian connections, to oppose putin as his enemies, to spread information about what moscow produces in ukraine and not only, it needs to be demonstrated, this is the main goal, not a specific danger from an individual, as well as navalny , there was no danger, especially when he was in prison, but he had to be killed, there it was connected with the exchange, there you still need to demonstrate to everyone what will happen

to you , if you join. to any activity at any level against the regime in moscow. well, ukraine is an enemy. they are simply killing ukraine. and the russian opposition is the same enemies and the same targets. it is necessary to draw very important conclusions from this. therefore, the protection of ukraine, as i often say among my people colleagues, russian oppositionists, this is the redoubt before your death. it is necessary to defend ukraine, in addition to your ideological stance against the war, against putin, also because you will be next. this is very important to understand, therefore the country for the russian opposition, for all those who are against putin, the opportunity to protect it is an opportunity to postpone one's death. failure to understand this leads to very sad attempts to save some of the russian opposition in the game imposed by the kremlin, that it is impossible to support the military resistance of the russians to sides of ukraine, because this is vlasivshchyna, treason to the motherland. this is a very misleading, very criminal reference, and the people who take it, early

or... this is very important to understand. list parameters, mark and who in particular do you think wanted to demonstrate something with that swing, right? because strange murders happen in ukraine, here is the strange murder of iryna farion, yes, no one has taken responsibility, there is a suspect, but the question of motives is the key story, so when these or other assassinations, political attempts happen, someone is responsible brothers. this responsibility or the second option, perhaps, indeed, if this is the work of the kremlin, then they can simply prepare some kind of broader scenario, that is, cascading deaths and , accordingly, then an attempt to reformat the same, i don’t know, public discourse, or simply adjust it to such way, they have always done it, correcting the consequences of the physical removal of some public elements that interfere and

create. problems for discourse, yes, it is part of this program, this work, ipso and the rest. many do not understand the connection between these things for example, the discourse that opposes the negotiation process as such in ukraine, because they have their own considerations. this is the right discus mostly, but not only. it consists in the fact that one cannot stop at the binding conditions of the agreements, at the ultimatums that moscow puts forward. it is now necessary to create the most comfortable situation so that this does not happen to ukraine. the initial thesis in public opinion, that is, if you, for example, put a lot of pressure on the radicals, let's tentatively call them that, from the side of moscow, then this public opinion can be brought out in right side moscow needs negotiations, a ceasefire, a truce, etc., because there are conditions, both external and internal. we do not fully understand the internal ones. perhaps moscow's reserves for the continuation of the war are running out, and it is increasingly difficult to continue fighting, for many reasons.