what about that, friends, it is very important to understand that telegram is a russian network, and therefore to transfer your own private data to it is to question the security of everyone around you, and you in the first place, and why are we not ready now to make such decisions as the national security and defense council proposed and took, in fact, during the times when victoria... tsyumar and i had the honor of working in the national security and defense council, and it seems to me that we very often try to live in the reality of a non-belligerent country, and the fact that we are periodically shelled, all cities, well, no cities in ukraine, perhaps with the exception of uzhhorod, but still flew to the transcarpathian region, to the volovets region, yes, which were not attacked, and at the same time. to tolerate

a network that most likely has relations and is clearly subservient to the russian special services, only because it is somehow more convenient, well, in principle, this is simply a matter of a lack of desire to survive, the rhetoric of restoration is very popular in our country, the rhetoric of restoration is very popular in our country what we have to think about there, what will happen after... the war, friends, we have to survive in the war, and in the information war, telegram, tiktok is a weapon used against us, if you are subscribed and not blocked, in principle , sensitive, important material you provide to these networks, most likely you are helping aggressor, and of course it is more a question for the authorities, in fact, as much as possible...

we encourage all authorities to switch to more secure networks, well, but we understand that in principle, until this is a personal example, until the first persons of the state switch to alternative platform, it will be very difficult for us to deal with this threat. thank you, mr. yaroslav, i will remind our viewers that during our broadcast we conduct a survey and ask you about telegram, whether telegram is a source of information for you, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube and facebook, yes no, or write your own opinion , please in the comments below this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote, if you use telegram as a source of information, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free of charge, vote at the end of the program, we will... and collect the results of this

vote. another topic, ladies and gentlemen, is the big exchange that took place between the russian federation and our western partners, last week putin exchanged killers, spies and those caught in the west for illegal activities, for russian opposition figures and for journalists who were caught, foreign journalists who were reinstated were caught on the territory of the russian federation and under arrest. or valery chala, the ex-ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america, believes that with such russians as, who went to the west, who were transported to the west, and they declared that it is necessary to distinguish between putin and the russian federation, and all these sanctions that were introduced against russia must be removed, because only putin is the initiator of this russian-ukrainian conflict.

war, as chalyly says, there are no good and bad russians, there are criminals, there is a submissive majority, and there are also those who are not completely deceived by russian propaganda, they are either in prisons or abroad, they never will stick to ukrainian national interests, but in the joint struggle with the russian regime, we need to find arguments for finding common effective ways, this is the opinion of mr. valery chaly, ms. victoria, tell me, have you heard and seen what the freed russian oppositionists are saying, and is this not another information technology of the russian federation, or a part of the russian federation, regarding the fact that here we are so good, but there are bad ones, and this bad one is putin, and we are part of our good ones here, we are silent about the war, nothing they did not say, or at least they said after the release, but... lift the sanctions from us, but

don't lift them from putin, you know, it seems to me that there is actually a more complex and deeper problem here, because it shows us, and what... the west is betting on the so-called good, or, let's say, liberal russians, who should warm up to the russian people, and it seems to me that this is a deep misunderstanding of the essence of this russian imperialism, when the request for war, the request for a hard authoritarian hand, forms russian people, and these are interrelated things, and when we talk about the fact that the russian people... should not bear any strict restrictions there in connection with sanctions, well, then we do not see the depth of the essence of the problem, but this russian imperialism, the second thing, we then do not see the need, well, very important from my point of view, for such a thing as collective

repentance, that is, because without this, if you did not admit your guilt, the guilt of inciting and introducing a war of aggression... after the second world war, in the genocide, in fact, in genocide of the entire multi-million ukrainian people, if this guilt is not recognized, it will be repeated, in relation to ukrainians or in relation to those peoples who simply will not be able to give the russian imperialists a hard time, as the ukrainians did, and this is when the west allows it, and when the west tolerates, and when in fact, conducting these negotiations, they are conducting... with the fsb with putin, it is obvious. the west demonstrates that we are ready to negotiate with vladimir putin. and, probably, in relation to other topics as well, and, well, with a recognized war criminal by an international court, a war criminal,

in general, you know, to a certain extent, a step towards erasing the international security system in general, and therefore, it seems to me, this is a very complex problem, which today... it is necessary to talk about, i am not talking about the fact that in fact, putin took murderers and terrorists and spies out of the west from western prisons, and to each of these spies and murderers he gave a very clear signal, if you kill and spy on russia, you do it in western capitals, i will get you out, you will not bear punishment, and it is very bad a precedent actually for the west, because putin will continue to send there... assassins, terrorists and spies, but mr. alexander, look, this whole story that is unfolding before our eyes shows that despite all the contacts between russia and are kept by our western partners, but mrs. victoria says that

there were stories behind the scenes, of course they related to the hostages that putin had there and those people who were convicted in the west for various... acts, but well, it arises entirely logical question, our hundreds of thousands of people in hostages now with putin, they are in terrible conditions, and well, we have an absolutely completely logical question, well wait, if you communicate so well with each other, what is the problem of great communication regarding the release of our hostages, regarding the exchange of our... hostages in order to ensure justice, and if you are already talking outside, not about us, but behind our backs, why not talk about what is happening to ukrainians who are in the russian

federation? well, first of all, an adviser on issues of national security, jake sullivan immediately , very quickly, by the way, he responded to this issue and he immediately for... that this is a separate case, and it cannot be confused or equated with the issue of ukraine, that is, he very quickly said about it, but the questions you ask, they are really fair and legitimate, and we need to ask these questions before our partners, our allies, we, we are friends, but that does not prevent us from talking openly about difficult issues, including this , and it is quite natural that ukraine now fears that... there may be some attempts to negotiate behind our backs, but at the same time i believe that what president biden actually said, that there will be no agreements without ukraine, although if you look at the history of the foreign policy of the united states states, there is such a certain

back channel tradition, you can remember the nixon administration and the kissinger administration, so they used one. person for communication with the soviet union bypassing even the state department, that is, such a mechanism in diplomacy, in the american, in particular, diplomacy really exists. the main thing is that it does not affect our interests, and it seems to me that we should speak frankly with our friends about this. thank you, mr. oleksandr, mr. yaroslav, in your opinion, are there any good russians in russia or not, and if, well, actually, for the west, it is obvious that they are, can there be a principled position of ukraine, the ukrainian government, the ukrainian state that ... after the collapse of putin's regime, the whole of russia must undergo

denazification, de-rasification, and de-putinization, and this affects literally everyone who lives in this country. ah, i agree with mr oleksandr, who is a specialist in international law, and helped us a lot in the preparation of the draft law on the basis of ukraine's interaction with... enslaved peoples and ethnic groups in the russian federation, there are a huge number of non-russians in russia, and they are mostly good, because they mostly strive decentralization, they want russia not to be an empire, and so that russia could never again, had no ability at all to carry out imperial policy, if the principle of the empire's activity, it declines when it does not know aggressive actions against neighbors, and whether the united

states conducts or conducts a separate track of negotiations with some russian liberal position, most likely yes, or ukraine can conduct its own track with some negotiations with some russian position, most likely yes, only it will not be liberal, and the one that helps us now in... the actual reduction of russia's ability to actively carry out actions on the territory of ukraine due to the liberation of belgorod region, kursk region and other russian territories, still russian territories from putin's regime. and what is the biggest problem here? because, in fact, if they continue to try to consider ukraine as a subject. and not as an object of international politics, we should protest against it as actively as possible, and the fact that

there are some ilya lyashins, other karamurzys and the like are trying to win the favor of sympathizers on the territory of the empire itself, we should at least be interested, we are... guarantors actually not by choice, but by actual composition of the situation of the independence of the western world, and any, any discussions regarding how the region should interact, how the region, in fact the center of europe, should be organized, which is very often called eastern europe, our territories cannot... be without our participation, and russian society is guilty not only because

it allowed the actual establishment of the putin regime, but also supported the svo, aggression against ukraine, and any of the so -called liberals, in principle, like any representative of the nazi authorities in germany. i should have started my conversation with, excuse me, the ukrainian people, the georgian people, the moldavian people, actually those against whom the imperial policy continues, and here i will continue, the chechen people, the ingush people, literally last week we had a meeting with the leader of the circassian community in turkey, because in fact, an independent adyghe movement, a huge historical

people, cannot exist on the territory of russia, we protect the rights of our indigenous peoples, the karaites, crimea, other peoples, at the same time russia actually destroys it, and destroys any possibility of self-realization. groups that are now, unfortunately, located on the territory of the russian federation, and therefore, to me, like to anyone in ukrainian politicians, and here i think we don't have any... political disagreements , it is incomprehensible when only russian political prisoners are included in the discussion on the release of political prisoners at a time when tens of thousands, at least more than 10 thousand ukrainian civilians prisoners, who according to the geneva

convention should not be at all, more than 30 journalists of these... free, who have additional protection from the point of view of international law, are still in prison, prisons in russia, and so, well, it looks at least two-faced, we understand that this is real politic, everyone there has their own national interests, of course the democrats in the united states need a trump card and they are ready if they use it, but remember, at one time the exchange of spies... the time of the caribbean crisis , on the eve of the caribbean crisis, led to an escalation of the conflict, why? because why be afraid of the gifts of the danaans? it is very likely that now the so -called good russians in the west are starting to talk about

putin's crazy plans and opportunities, and of course they are becoming the primary source. it is very important for us not to... reduce the pressure on our own western partners, and that is why it is great that more than one delegation is currently in the united states, here in general one can only applaud standing that a lot of opposition deputies were released in order to communicate with our partners in the united states, because there are a huge number of challenges, this and the prohibition of spy networks under the guise of religious organizations. this is a real question of how we, the western world and ukraine, in particular, as a part of the western world in perspective and in essence, should organize our region with you, and so that push the democratic boundaries even further, this is also a question of economic, and at that time, food

security, that is why there are so many questions, and i really hope that... the release of the so-called russian oppositionists will play into the hands of someone in the united states no less than for the consolidation of the western the world to understand that the last empire on the border of europe must be destroyed. thank you, mr. yaroslav, i will once again remind our viewers that we are working live, and we are asking you, friends, whether telegram is a source for you. information, yes, no, vote, literally yes in 10 minutes, we will sum up the results of this vote, on the screen you can see the phone numbers, if you watch us on tv, on youtube everything is quite simple, yes, no, or your own version, please write in the comments under this video, also ms. gentlemen, very briefly, i would like to ask you about what exactly the verkhovna rada

is doing now after ruslan stefanchuk announced that there will be a break in the sessions. he said that this is not a vacation, and that these four weeks, until august 19, the verkhovna rada will not work, and it all ended on a note, if i am not mistaken, on the note that the opposition, the parliamentary opposition, insisted on consideration in the second reading of the draft law that would ban the activity of the moscow church in ukraine, and somehow it is not clear, this pause that arose, what kind of pause is this? or? came to an agreement already during this pause on whether this draft law will be introduced on august 19 or on august 18, when the meetings of the verkhovna rada of ukraine will begin, or whether there are any other agreements in principle in the verkhovna rada, because it is obvious to tv viewers, as well as to me, that it is not entirely clear why the verkhovna rada council during martial law does not work in the session hall, but

there is a lot of extra-session work, of course, and why, why, why are laws not passed. and solutions that the state needs, mrs. victoria, well, i would also like to know the answer to this question, but unfortunately, i was not the one who closed, well, announced this break, but our team is working on legislative initiatives in kyiv today, i am well aware of the situation surrounding the draft law, you know, there the latest agreements were such that a working group is created on the basis of the leadership of the verkhovna rada and the conciliation council, which has to finalize something in the draft law on banning the russian orthodox church prepared for the second reading. organizations related to it, but as far as i know, and i think this is quite reliable information, for at least the last one and a half to two weeks, this

group did not meet, i am not aware of any developments, and at least our faction was definitely not involved, if there are any such processes, perhaps colleagues are aware, because it is really not normal, since obviously we have to start on august 19 with consideration of this draft law. there is simply no place to pull anymore, sorry, there is no more what needs to be worked out, it's enough to go around, you know, around all this, you just need to decide and make a decision, everyone understands that there are votes, there is no desire to move this room just so that this law will be voted as it was presented today the committee, the profile committee prepared, where, by the way, the majority are representations. and so i hope that of course, first of all, it would be possible to meet earlier, and i think there are a million reasons to

meet earlier, well, even to after all, enough of such a high-profile temporary special commission of the parliament, which investigates abuses at fortifications, as well as the provision of the ukrainian army with drones, such necessary things, this commission is also blocked today, it is also not going to meet and... and the chairman there has filed for recusal, you do you know who was caught on the boo, ms. victoria, we have very, very little time on the air, so we will give the floor to mr. oleksandr and mr. yaroslav, forgive me, mr. oleksandr, well, it is a very important question, what does the verkhovna rada do, from my experience i can to say that sometimes and quite often more issues need to be resolved when there is no workload. than during the plenary week, now, for example, some of my colleagues are in washington, that is, on a business trip, this is a very important part of parliamentary diplomacy, parliamentary

work, in relation to my committee, in which i work, we are currently dealing with such an issue as the consideration of the bill on the diplomatic service, there are more than 300 amendments that need to be considered, there are a lot of meetings , colleagues from brazil are coming, for example, there will be, tomorrow is planned with... a meeting with journalists from of africa, that is, there are many such meetings, and the week can be busier than during the plenary sessions. thank you, mr. oleksandr, mr. yaroslav, as a committee, we are preparing a draft law on the access of citizens and journalists to information, this is the early publication of the agendas of the daily meetings of the parliament and the committee. it is an opportunity to travel during the curfew for journalists who receive information from the front line, so i fully agree with mr. oleksandr, the plenary session is only a small

part of the parliament's work, at the same time i i really hope that by the next meeting we will be able to find an explanation for our international partners, why it is necessary to eliminate the agency network. under the guise of religious organizations, not only in ukraine, and it is a very big positive that now this break in the plenary sessions gives such an opportunity, because a serious landing force is now working in the united states, different factions, and this can be monitored, we work 24/7 , but we do not have a break in work, there are breaks in the plenary session, and this is reasonable. causes questions from our citizens, but thank you to espresso, who explained that this is not a vacation, but we, in principle, continue

to work as people's deputies and will work until victory, since our meeting, our convocation, i apologize, will be able to finish its work only then , when you and i will understand that the war is over in one form or another, and so we work without interruptions. thank you. mr. yaroslav, yaroslav yurchyshyn, oleksandr merezhko and victoria syumar were guests of our program today. thank you ladies and gentlemen for participating in the program. i will remind ours tv viewers, that throughout our broadcast we are conducting a survey, and we are asking you today whether telegram, meaning an information platform, is a source of information for you. we already have the results of the television survey. please display. 28%. of our tv viewers believe that telegram is a source of information for them, they say it is more true, and 72% say no, we also conduct it on youtube. here it is 50 to

50, 51% say yes, 49% no, well, obviously, those who watch tv prefer, of course, the tv channel and our the information is verified, thank you for your support, in the network, of course, people use different information. this is the end, friends, read our news on the espresso tv website, we work for you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week... and of course, watch the espresso channel, support the espresso channel, including on our youtube and facebook platforms, don't forget to subscribe to our pages and don't forget to like this video in order to be part of youtube trends and facebook. that's it, friends, i'll put an end to it, it was the program verdict provyi serhiy ordenko, goodbye. krendol

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