mass protests under the walls of the tsc are a phenomenon that even a year ago was even difficult to imagine, although even then many complained about the work of individual employees of the military, now at a time when the real war continues in the relative rear throughout ukraine, rallies under by military leaders, attacks on tcc employees, fights and skirmishes between ukrainian civilians and ukrainian military personnel seem to have become commonplace. is there a way out of this situation? and it seems that she's dead. my name is vlasta lazur, this is svoboda live. this is the enemy ivano-frankivsk region. at the beginning of july , residents of the tourist village had a fight with tsc employees. locals demanded the removal

of military roadblocks, which, they say, scare away tourists. then the ivano-frankivsk tsc accused the villagers of opposing their state and protecting evaders, and the police began to investigate the case of hooliganism and obstruction of the work of the armed forces. a month passed and a new riot broke out. now kovel, volyn. at the beginning of august , locals stormed the building of the tsk. they demanded the release of the three men who were detained. at one of the checkpoints in the region, they broke through the wall, entered the territory, they let the guys out, they vote some conditions, let the guys go, guys, let the guys go, no one will go anywhere, please, guy, you have, in the end, late in the evening the detained men were released and ... as

the regional tsc explained at the time, the men under the russians did not have military registration documents, so they were taken to the tsc to clarify the data, in addition, the regional tsc stated that, in their opinion, the conflict that later occurred between civilians and military, supported by special services. we spoke with two residents of kovel, who participated in the rally under the building of tsk. they say that the guys who were detained had updated data in reserve plus, and the version that allegedly russia is behind the organization. women's protest in general is called funny, it's just funny, i don't even know how to comment on it, because you know, it's so ridiculous somewhere, i understand that they need some excuse, they're a mother, they can't come out and honestly say that this is how we violated , so it was from the first to our last act, words, everything was violation after violation, i understand that they need to somehow justify themselves, but this is the most ridiculous excuse that can be invented in general. nothing

was planned of course, there were no agents there, the thing that upset people the most was that they were working illegally, that is, all the guys were updated, upgraded to reserve plus and also acted, what they did not show it in their tablets, gave them, well, probably some reason to pick them up, bring them to the shatsk tsk, as we already know that, and then from there to send them here to kovel for... so that they pass the medical commission here, and what outraged me the most was that the employees of the tsc allowed themselves to act without any framework of the law at all, that is , to take away phones, this outraged me , for me personally, the most, the fact that i was born in the city of koveli, i am ukrainian, and my parents are also from koveli, and ukrainians, well, this infuriated me, probably the most, this... we

were connected to some kind of kremlin, putin and everyone else. i will add that after the protests under the tsk building in volyn, the police broke two case and the participants, participants of the protest, well , for now, there is a threat of a fine or even arrest. fedir venislavskyi, people's deputy, representative of the servant of the people and member of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, joins our broadcast. fedor, i congratulate you. i congratulate you. glory to heroes. look, we see that the number of either protests or clashes between tsk employees and civilians is increasing, and before our eyes, a whole confrontation between the military and civilians is actually unfolding in the relative rear. aren't you afraid of what's coming? such phenomena, they will become massive and lead to the worst thing that can happen during the war, total rejection of the military, or mistrust of them. i think that we will definitely not allow this, but you know, after looking at it. plot, i still

remember the information that our intelligence community gave us as members of the national security, defense and intelligence committee, they warned us that the summer is... just the biggest such area will be the window that will be to use the russian federation, in whatever form it is directly indirectly through special informational and psychological operations in order to try to destabilize the situation inside the country, the internal political situation, they tried to destabilize on the topic of the illegitimacy of president zelensky, they did not succeed, they then let in, and this is a purposeful e... is russia the cause of this protest in kovel? i don't want to say, i don't know, i don't have any information, as a lawyer, i can't make any assessments whether it is valid or not, i know that there is such a version, but what russia is trying

by such actions and setting fire to the cars of the tckashniks, and the demonstration that there is some illegal or quasi-illegal activity on the part of the representatives of the tck under... to strengthen, incite in this doubt, i personally do not have a specific situation, i am not ready to comment on it now, on unfortunately, i don’t have enough information about the reasons for how legitimate or illegal the actions of the representatives of the tccsp were, since it really took on such a rather acute nature, i think that the representatives of law enforcement agencies have to give information, i think that at the committee we will also hear this information and we will have a complete picture, to what extent do you have a complete picture in principle? from what is happening, this is not the first protest under the walls of the tsk, well, or in relation to the employees of the tsk, do you in principle communicate about this with the ground forces, with the ministry of defense, do you consider this a threat or a situation that must be resolved ? eh, let's say so, specifically the issues in

the confrontation, let's say such a mass or spontaneous mass protest movement near tsk sp, our meeting has not... not been considered yet, well, when it took place in transcarpathia, we listened to it, there were indeed certain questions to the organizers of all that, let’s say , protest or conflict, but such separate attention, just such actions, which you demonstrated in kovel, were not considered by the committee, but we are constantly in contact with... with representatives of the general staff of the ministry of defense, who take care of mobilization issues, and we always consider and try to respond to conflict situations according to certain circumstances of the case, if there is a violation on the part

of the representatives of the tsc, official investigations are always conducted, and the committee keeps it under control. of the unmanned aerial systems of the svoboda battalion of the fourth rubizh brigade, he joins our broadcast. evgeny, good evening, can you hear me, see me? i hope we will see you now. yes, there is a representative of the defense and intelligence committee with us, you as a person military, if i'm not, if i'm not mistaken, you are from the very beginning of the full-scale invasion , i remember for sure, you were in the military, what impressions, what emotions do you have when you watch the video, like civilians.. . storm the tsc building, and very often, well, their complaints, well, at least they, well, they do not indicate that they are controlled by russia, they have some complaints against the tsc employees, what do you think about it, who and what conclusions who must draw conclusions from this, and we

all must draw the only conclusion that is necessary it is not necessary to unite a little against the tsk or the internal enemy, it is necessary to unite now against the external enemy. and direct all the anger there, i understand, many people would not want to fight, and to be honest, i did not want to take up arms and my brothers, we were civilians, you are right, from the very first day we are fighting in the ranks there of the national guard of the armed forces of ukraine, but we are all civilians, and i once said a year and a half ago that everyone will fight, unfortunately, it will happen, everyone should understand that we have a full-scale war going on. the enemy insidiously shoots us, shoots at kyiv, at other peaceful cities where our families, our children are, and if we do not take up and unite and take up arms and defend our homes, the enemy will not stop in the donetsk, luhansk,

and kharkiv regions, he will advance further, and when the tanks are already at the threshold, well , probably, then they will say that the tsk should go and fight, everyone should defend their land. scumbags, what they are storming there, they are shouting shame, you know, i have already said in several broadcasts, many of my acquaintances received it. very serious injuries and are now in the tsk, and it makes me sad when a boy with a prosthesis goes and hands a summons to a healthy ambal, and he pushes him, says: do you hear, vasya, i will not fight, well, that is, i do not need it, it’s not that it’s a shame to me, it’s boring, i hate to hear that, i understand that there are tskashniks there who got a position and sit in offices, doing nothing, but now, well, in my opinion, it’s 70-80% guys who were seriously injured the guys who were there and elected with blood,

elected our independence with you, all the territories, and now they want to be something useful, do everything for the country, and their mothers are still there and they cover them and tell them how bad they are and what they grab there on the street of people, i understood you, but while we have fedir venislavskyi, a representative of the committee, here is what i want to ask you, very often we have to hear that representatives of the authorities... and deputies, and government officials, and the president, they are just failed to communicate with the population, they did not explain the mobilization processes, which they should be, why it is important, how it will take place, and just the moments when, when the tsc employees are really there, or somehow rudely conducted the mobilization, or sometimes violating people's rights, what is it and the lack of reaction to it, well, actually led to this confrontation, do you agree that there was a breakdown in communication? will the state normally implement these explanations for the population, if you ask me, then i

absolutely agree with the fact that there really was no clear mechanism at the beginning, i am still in reserves plus the rank of a soldier, i am a senior lieutenant, i am a soldier, i am a construction worker, although there is all the information that i graduated from a higher military institute, that i received the rank of officer, well, that is, they really failed all theirs. these bases, and there they have complete chaos, that is , people who have already died there receive summonses, it is very unfortunate that this is happening in our country, this is the problem, but at the moment we must understand that in our the country is at war, my personal opinion is that there are many policemen, many representatives of the authorities, the parliament, there the deputies who gave the oath to the people of ukraine and to ukraine should take it into their hands. weapons and go to the front line of the conflict, see how it is sitting in the trenches

for boys, normal boys who would not want to fight, who did not receive any salaries from the state and the like, everyone should now give up against it, it is not going well, yes, but to go to europe to fight, not to sit in offices, not to tell how they worry about us, but to help concretely, help, i don't know, help. with guns, help with cars, help with weapons, sit in the office and tell how cool you are there, guys, hang on, it's been three years, we've been hearing that we're hanging on for the third year, well, we're also a little tired, fedir, maybe you have something to answer, here the deputies are specifically mentioned, well, you have to understand that you know, if there was no parliament, if there was no government, then i think that's what the enemy is trying to achieve, and then the country would become completely ungovernable, and even some ... decisions to continue martial law would not be possible, so let's not

say such populist insults, especially since among the people's deputies of ukraine, well, if you look at how many men are conscripted, it will probably number up to a hundred, you know, besides the fact that it will be such a populist rant, it will not do anything useful, but those people's deputies, my colleagues , who work especially in the defense committee, believe me, they are not only mavikami, there are hundreds of them. and perhaps to date they have organized thousands of cars and drones and a lot of other things, about which perhaps it is not necessary and cannot be talked about now, but which about which, let's say, i am personally involved in something, which the world mass media are writing about for the first time in the world, so here everyone does what they have and what they can, and with joint efforts we bring victory closer not only in the trenches with a machine gun , but also with other things that are more... than just shooting, judging by the fact that yevgeny is smiling, i understand that the answer

satisfied you, yevgenia, no, unfortunately, how can one, we can get on the military rakers and shorten it a little deputies, and still both regional and central, and still a little leave fewer people, i apologize, i will kill you, but you are now introducing society. i am mistaken, the deputies of regional councils, district councils, and city councils do not have any postponements from the draft, they all seem to receive no salary either, only people's deputies. are not subject to conscription for military service, so let's be correct and not confuse society, these are 100 people, figuratively speaking, people's deputies, about whom we are now talking and discussing how much they will change the situation at the front. yevgeny, me thank you very much for this dialogue, it was very important for us to hear the opinion of active servicemen, yevgeny oropai, commander of the crew of unmanned aerial systems

of the svoboda battalion, the fourth brigade of operational assignment rubizh, was in touch with us, federer, you are staying, because i still have i have a few questions for you... just on the topic of mobilization, well, at the end of july , the national police informed us about the exposure of a scheme by tsk employees, which consisted in the fact that tsk employees kidnapped people, beat them, demanded a ransom in return and in such method earned up to 150 thousand dollars, you must have heard this story, the head of the local tsk in ternopil oblast was at the head of the group, he involved four more people, among them was a former military man, it is not known how long it existed. this scheme, but don't you think that the tsk system has completely discredited itself, and in the form in which it exists now, it cannot exist, despite the fact that there may be honest people, such as yevgeny mentioned, who really , who were injured, what to do about it globally? well, i'm with you on this one in this case, i do not agree that the tcc system has not justified itself, especially now, you know,

during the war, when there is a complete, complete general mobilization, to introduce some radical ones. we definitely cannot make changes in ensuring this mobilization organizationally through the tsk, and when you gave an example that a representative of the tsk organized an organized criminal group that engaged in open crimes, well, here we will not disband the national police when there is information, for example, from it sometimes appears in your broadcasts to your colleagues who are there some policeman organized a criminal group that was also involved, wait a minute, unlike the tsk, the national... police of ukraine had a reform? i mean, you can't talk about a specific fragment of a fragment that something needs to be completely reformed. tsc, i agree with you, they will have to be reformed, we will have to transition, and we are gradually moving towards this. when we discussed at the committee level with representatives of the general staff of the ministry of defense, about when we considered

the draft law, to date, the law on improvement of mobilization issues, we emphasized the need. strengthening of recruiting actions, creation of special recruiting centers, popularization in the mass media in direct communication with citizens of the service, this idea is an idea that today is already at the stage of, let's say, the final finalization in the form of draft legal acts that teams military units will be able to mobilize into their military units without the participation of the tccsp, these are all exactly the puzzles you are talking about, such... general reform, i think it will give its result, but during the war we cannot risk the general activity of the tp, and you know, if you translate all this into numbers, the number of conflict situations, compared to the number of representatives of the tcsp, it is definitely in within the limits of statistical error, that is why 99.9% of the representatives of the tcsp, they

perform their work conscientiously, conscientiously, without violations of the law, and thanks to them... we now have an army of one million, including them, that is , you think that the tcs works almost perfectly, in short, to voice something, i like to communicate with you, when you put the emphasis completely wrong, you said 99.9%, it means almost perfect work, i mean that 99% out of 100 is mobilized without conflict, but in general, the tsk system definitely needs reform and change. from such a mechanical delivery of summonses to a more propagandistic and enlightening activity in the field of recruiting to which we are going. let's talk about mobilization by 25. i know that the day before your committee, what are you you represent, the defense intelligence committee, supported a bill that imposes

restrictions on the mobilization of men between the ages of 18 and 25 because... there is now a collision that is not known how it came about or went unnoticed by you, and now men under the age of 25 often with health problems, find themselves at the front when this draft law is voted on in its entirety in the verkhovna rada hall, well, first of all, let's once again not give any vain hopes for certain categories of citizens of ukraine under the age of 25, no all citizens from 18 to 25 cannot... be mobilized if a citizen of ukraine, who is currently 24 years old or 23, for example, graduated from the military department at a university, he is a conscription officer, and he can be mobilized, even if he... does not turned 25 years old, we are talking exclusively about a really certain such collision that arose when we canceled the term limited service in

wartime, not serviceable in peacetime, and now everyone who was once recognized as limited service under the old law, they can be mobilized, even if they did not turn 25 years old, because as soon as a person was recognized as limitedly fit in wartime, unfit in peacetime, he was... he passed from the status of military conscripts to the status of conscripts, because a military registration document was issued for such persons, they was assigned a military accounting specialty and they automatically became conscripts, and after the changes that we worked out and approved came into force, such a situation really arose when citizens of ukraine who were in the status conscripts and remained in the status of conscripts, could be transferred to the status of voluntary... obliged after reaching the age of 25, that is, until the age of 25 they were not subject to conscription for military service for mobilization, how did you allow this? fyodor, fyodor, wait a minute, how did you allow this to happen,

explain to me, you have hundreds of assistants to all deputies of the verkhovna rada, you spent six months discussing and improving the law on mobilization, as a lawyer, by the way, how did you allow this collision in principle , because there are such opinions that you did it consciously, but not by chance, first, look. first of all, not hundreds of assistants, but up to the 31st for each people's deputy, i have them, but in general, in general, hundreds, i say for all deputies, let's extrapolate the representatives of the committee on health protection to the sphere of security and defense, in our there are 20 people's deputies, 21 members of the national security and defense committee, indeed they have a certain number of assistants there, but representatives of the ministry of defense, the general staff, and the expert environment, you know, ideal laws, pre a great pity, it doesn’t happen, that’s why such a mistake was made, let’s say, well, not that i can’t even say that it was a deliberate mistake made, because we were talking about the impossibility

of mobilizing conscripts in particular, and this one, in terms of terminology, let’s say , not defined, that those with limited fitness acquired the status of conscripts, it led to the situation we are talking about now, which we really corrected, because yesterday at the meeting of the committee on national security and defense, where it was decided unanimously recommend the decision to the verkhovna rada the council of ukraine to adopt as a basis and in general the appropriate changes to the law of ukraine on mobilization training and mobilization, and in addition, in order to ensure full social justice, we have provided for the possibility of releasing from military service those with limited fitness who were mobilized during this three-month period period, when the law is in effect, but actually, you haven't fixed them, you haven't fixed this situation yet, you can say.

will happen because there is a consolidated position in the third decade, but i think that this people's deputies for this draft law to be considered by the committee, 330 excessive votes were immediately obtained in my opinion, so i think that it will all happen very quickly. mr. fedir, let's take a look and listen to what this collision led to in a specific example, let's listen to the story of a woman from the transcarpathian region, and she tells how her 22-year-old son was mobilized, let's see, he says: mom, i'm in, and i couldn't understand this word until i realized that it's a hitch, i'm thinking, what hitch, what kind of hitch, that i didn't even have an idea, had no idea that it was the armed forces, because he is 22 years old, he is sick. he has an illness, well, what kind of fright should he be, well, in general, i still understood what he was telling me, well, it was terrible, simply, i say, where are you, he says, i

don’t know, in a clear field, i i say, reset the coordinates, he says, they don’t allow us , they allowed me to call, they don’t let me turn on the gps, i say, don’t ask, just turn on the gps, i’ll look on the map to see where you are, i’ll understand where you are, that’s what he told me then ... coordinates, you can't do it, well, i dropped it saw that he was in the area of ​​the yavoriv training ground, in the lviv region, there was no contact with him, that is, it was such a contact, he called there, the phone was all turned off, nothing else is known, except for what we found out , he later gave me these coordinates, i was able to understand that he was there, but there was no connection with him, i.e. where is he there, the yabriv training ground is large, i.e. where is he there... how did he get there, nothing at all i don't understand, well, in general, somewhere there already, at first i called the police, well, at first i didn't at all i knew what to do, come on,

andrii, call your friends. called, it was my husband, he told me to call the police, i called the police, they told me that they accepted the appeal, and somewhere a couple of hours later i got a call from the police, and they said that he was in the uzhhorod tsk, i i say how it is in the uzhgorod tsk, you saw him, no, you didn't, they don't let you there, i say don't tell me then, because he called me from the field, he's not in the tsk. then valik called and we found out that he was taken off the train, together with two other people, there with one boy, and there was another uncle with them, that is, older, the boy was also under 25 years old, so they put him in a car and drove him to the tsk, there they took personal belongings and a phone, and then they quickly spent the evening, i mean

valik, and how are you myzh na... suitable, you told them that, they said that it doesn’t matter, fedir, this is the story, you know, once upon a time russian propaganda spread stories that sick people were allegedly taken off trains in ukraine, and we laughed about it, but not to the point of laughing now, because it's real history, and it happened, and this is what your collision led to, which you allowed, including as deputies, to be honest, i agree with you that this is the situation, it is, if a person really ... er, let's put it this way, due to the state of health, i can't serve, it's wrong, and it, it must be reacted to, but let's, you know, let's say an unpopular thing for the public space, let's demarcate, the committee on national issues security, defense intelligence has said its word, we recommend that this conflict be corrected, but let's go back to the first sources, first of all, i, as a lawyer, can say that a citizen of ukraine, who was recognized as having limited fitness, saw that he was subject

to military service during. martial law, that is, a person, let's say, was in legal certainty all this time, when he received the status of limited fitness, this is the first, second, which category of persons received the status of limited fitness, and the category of persons, which the vast majority of them wanted, did not want go to military service, because in order not to be drafted temporary military service in the absence of other reasons for postponement, this was one of the options, true, not true, i... i do not want to say that all those with limited fitness tried to avoid conscription, but such a part of such citizens really i did it deliberately in order not to go to serve. now we have corrected this situation, but sometimes such young people become hostages, let's say, of their previous actions, if their current state of health allows them to be called up for military service for mobilization, then the question arises, how did this young person get the status of limited

fit or unfit? this is the question, if there are cases now, some of these young guys have already been there for 20, 21, 22 years, joined the army, and if in reality one of them gets injured, someone dies, and it will happen only because there was this legal conflict, and they, unlike their peers, could not find it. in the war, they were not ready, and so on, and so on, and so on, who will be responsible for this? well, look, there is a constitutional duty of every citizen of ukraine to defend their homeland, it is believed, this is, look, the law, this is the one adopted by the parliament, which today we say that people under the age of 25 cannot be accepted for military service, but this does not mean that if, for example , the enemy is coming, then those who have 24.9, he should run away or hide,

surely you should take weapons. to protect and people did it in the 22nd year and absolutely among the volunteers there are people of very different ages and 18 and 19 of course now we are talking exclusively within the limits of the law you are a lawyer you understand what i answered this question for you: a citizen of ukraine who had the status of limited fitness, he was informed when he received his military registration document that in case of mobilization during martial law, he may be mobilized. that's why a person deliberately went to such a legal status in such a legal status, you know, you now answered in the same way that hanna malyar once answered when there was a conversation about demobilization, and she answered to your colleague inni sofsun, well, your husband, when he was going to troops, he read the constitution, he knew that he was not being mobilized, so i am not demobilizing...