bbc: don't switch, wait for us. battles on the territory of the kurdish region of russia, russian. the authorities declare that they are repelling the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine, but ukraine does not comment on this in any way, what is known, it was broadcast live by the bbc from london, i am yevgenia shedlovska. for the second day , battles are taking place in the russian border region in the kursk region. moscow assures that they have stopped, as they claim, the advance of the ukrainian military. such a video from eyewitnesses appeared on local telegram channels. it shows aircraft and burning equipment further down the road. bbc verified this video and translated it. its

authenticity, in fact, look at where it is happening: the kursk region of russia, on the border with the ukrainian sumy region. reports that the ukrainian military entered this territory appeared on tuesday morning. the russian ministry of defense posted a video in which they claimed that ukrainian equipment was destroyed on the border with the kurt region, they claimed that there were ukrainian sabotage and intelligence groups, and that they were pushed out, but then this message was removed and they already said that the fighting was going on, but on wednesday morning, russian pro-war... channels wrote that ukrainian forces occupied a dozen villages near the border, about 50 km, advanced deep into russian territory 10-15 km from the border, these are the numbers they call, but these are data from telegram channels, they not officially confirmed, and today, on the second day, putin commented on it in such words. as is known, as is known, the kyiv regime has carried out another large-scale provocation, leading to selective shooting with various... types of weapons, including rockets,

on civilian buildings, residential buildings, ambulances. i would like to say that based on the results of my conversation with the acting governor of the kursk region, a number of civil departments have been instructed to provide the necessary assistance to the residents of the region, and i am also asking the government to do this immediately. and then putin held another meeting with the security forces regarding the event in kursk region, and there he had a story. chief of the general staff valery gerasimov reported the communication. he said that on tuesday morning the units of the armed forces of the 1st army went on the offensive with the goal to capture a section of the territory of the suzhan district of the kursk region, and what they say, the russian military stopped their advance deep into the territory. it was such a rather short report, which gerasimov concluded with the statement that the russian operation would end with the exit to the state border. that is, indirectly, he admitted that a certain section of the border was occupied by russian troops. the military does not

control, and already in the evening the governor of the kursk region announced that a state of emergency is in effect on the territory of this region. during this time, the ukrainian authorities did not in any way commented on the situation on the border, did not confirm or deny the probable offensive of the armed forces of ukraine on the territory of russia. in his evening address, president zelenskyi didn't say anything either, only one phrase: he spoke with head sirsky that... regarding our actions, our steps, details later. so, these were the words of president zelensky. and it is already assumed that the armed forces of ukraine could take control of the suja gas measuring station. these are data from russian sources. there is no confirmation of this. the local russian authorities deny such information, but what kind of object is it. this is the only one the station through which russia transits its gas to europe. and right there, during the gas war of 2009, in...

the valve was ceremoniously closed, but what significance does this station have for russian gas transit, we asked volodymyr omelchenko, the director of energy programs of the razumkov center, about this? this is the only gas measuring station left now, through which gas transits through ukraine to slovakia, and the czech republic, as well as austria and partially. to moldova, that daily volumes of gas supplies through ukrainian territory, and precisely through this station, they make up about 42 million cubic m2, of which somewhere around 38 million meters, it goes in the direction of natural gas in the direction of slovakia, and about 4x5 million cubic m is in... in the direction of moldova, in addition, it must be

said , that our contract expires, as you know, with gazprom, oil and gas, at the end of this year. and russia, not gazprom, does not fulfill the contractual conditions, according to the contractual conditions , 77 million cubic m2 should be delivered through the court, but for three years in a row , only 42, well, no more than 45, well, now 42 million, 42 million cubic meters, but on the 7th, i.e. today , e... gas supplies through suja c fell by 7% , 39 million cubic m2 were recorded there, but the fact that the contracts have been violated is a fact, and the contract stipulates the condition of shipper pay , that is, download

or pay, as for what it was done for, yes, everyone thinks, well, why are the ukrainian armed forces there, or at least i can't say. that these are the armed forces of ukraine, there were no official reports yet, well, i will say that certain uh, not unspecified military units of it were moving in the direction of suja, well, it's not far from the russian-ukrainian border, it's literally a few kilometers away, and i think that it has some strategic importance, well, yes, it has... this station, but there's no point in capturing it for ukraine, why? because, because, in principle, the gas goes through this station in transit through ukraine, the contract is valid, which means that, in principle, it

is ukraine, it's just that ukraine itself earns money on this transit. well, i am joined by my colleague, bbc correspondent oleg cherny. from kyiv, this is oleg, you are watching with all these news, tell me, today it is more clear what is happening on the border? congratulations, well, in fact, the situation has not been clarified too much, the ukrainian authorities still maintain a complete regime of silence, which is quite unusual, and russia, for its part, makes the opposite statements, for example, the authorities declare that everything is supposedly normalizing, the offensive has been stopped, and... ukrainian units will be printed abroad in the near future, however, the photos and video materials distributed on social networks by both ukrainian and russian military bloggers testify to the opposite, it is possible

to geolocate information based on these photo-video materials that, for example, ukrainian, probably ukrainian military personnel are continuing their movement along the kursk region. oblast, in particular , they are close to entering or have already entered the city of suju and are also moving northwest from this city to the nearby settlement of korineve, which is about another 10 km to the northwest, to determine exactly where these armed formations are located, which probably belong to the armed forces of ukraine. it's difficult, but i'll repeat, for different kites, which are already drawing on the basis of data from social networks, ukraine already controls approximately 60 km of russian territory at the moment, well, you say, we draw conclusions, in particular, from the information that appears in social networks,

photos, videos, that is, from the fact that you saw, there is an understanding of the scale of this operation, from what i see, the scale is really impressive, i... i said so, because we see, again in photos and videos from social networks, ah, that ukraine , introduces, probably, ukraine introduces quite significant forces, possibly even several brigades, into the territory of the kuriv region, which have modern western armored vehicles, tanks, demining machines, in addition, on this, on this section of the front, a powerful has been created. air defense group, this is also an obvious fact, that is, ukraine covers its offensives for its offensive operation, in addition, as we can see, again from photos and videos,

a fairly significant number of artillery groups have been created, which again help this advance , that is, all this indicates that this is an unusual sortie, it is not... a derge raid in the border, it is something more and much larger in size. but, if this is an offensive of the armed forces, then what is its purpose, that is, it is... the most important thing is to distract the russian forces from the front line, so what do they say about it? eh, this is the most important question, and again, in the conditions of kyiv's silence , a million different guesses arise, what could be the ultimate goal. in my opinion, and what i learned from communication with ukrainian and foreign military analysts, the most likely goal of these actions of the armed forces of ukraine is the creation of such a sanitary buffer. zones actually from growling actions taken by the russian army in may of this year in the kharkiv region, that is

, the creation of a certain certain area somewhere up to 15, maybe 20 km deep in the enemy's territory, which can be used, for example, as a plastdyme for further actions, or held, for example, as the trump cards in the negotiations, here, but in fact, i repeat, these are all guesses, there is a version that the ultimate goal of this offensive may even be the capture of the kurdish as, now it remains approximately 60 km along the road from the city of suja. also, you already mentioned about gas distribution station in the city of suja, it is also an important, strategically important object. that is, at the moment we cannot say where these military units, which probably belong to ukraine, will stop. as of now , what we see is, once again, po'. we can see from the posts of bloggers, local residents, military correspondents, that ukraine

continues to move steadily, it cuts the logistics routes around the city of suja and neighboring settlements, and actually , as of now, on the evening of august 7, to stop not going to so, if it is confirmed, again, if it is confirmed, that the armed forces took control of this suja gas measuring station that we talked about, what significance will it have? this is rarely such a symbolic victory. well, it's hard for me to say, actually, the previous expert was quite clear on what the point of this station was. i don't think that this particular station was actually the target of this operation. well, that's my personal opinion, because it 's very close to the border, and maybe it wouldn't take to collect such a huge, such a huge grouping of troops and to move, well, much further from. her, therefore, in my opinion, this station was not the ultimate goal of this operation, and the plans

of the ukrainian command probably for the kursk region are much more extensive than just capturing some one object. well, to sum up our conversation, how does this offensive differ from the previous breakthroughs on the russian border, you already mentioned, but to summarize, how is it different? indeed for... the first hours of it of the offensive, and many foreign sources believed that this was another sabotage operation that ukraine, with the forces of the so -called russian extraction corps and the legion of freedom of russia, carried out in the spring of this year and in the summer of last year , they were quite specific, these small paramilitary groups entered the territory of russia, but ... literally a few days later they were kicked out from there and they would leave. this operation is considered

in a completely different scenario. probably ukrainian forces did not just enter the territory russia, and were able to gain a foothold and tighten and tighten reserves. that is, this is an extremely important moment, which indicates that the ukrainian military is not going to leave these lands after a day or two. those territories that are now under their control, well , this is the most significant sign that indicates that the plans for this operation are much larger and perhaps they are of strategic importance for this war. thank you, bbc correspondent oleg chernysh from kyiv was in touch with us, and i can only advise read an article on our website bbc.ua about the probable offensive of ukrainian troops on the territory of russia, here is this article: the kursk bridgehead of the armed forces of ukraine, what is it and what is it for, my colleague. oleg chernysh collected everything that is known at the moment and i will repeat, ukraine does not in any way comment on these

military actions, does not confirm, does not comment in any way on what is happening there, well, on this i say goodbye to you, see you tomorrow. greetings, friends, live on the espresso tv channel, the second part of the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, and in this program we will talk about the following. kursk arc for putin: the war spilled over into the territory of the aggressor's country, which effect can be expected in russian society. the good russians in the west, freed during the great exchange, opponents of the putin regime, want to become the leaders of the new russia.

are there any useful for our country? peace plans of ukraine. the peace summit will take place in the country of the so-called global south, what will it be like and what concessions is zelenskyy willing to make? that's all we'll talk about for the next 45 minutes, but before that, friends, how to start our big conversation, i i will remind you that we are conducting polls throughout our broadcast, we are asking you today whether there are good russians useful for ukraine, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube, or... yes or no, vote if you have your own separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers 0.800 211 381, if you think that among the good russians are useful for ukraine, and if you don't think so, then 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to

these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we will match under. bags of this vote. and today , ihor reiterovych, political scientist, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development, is on our air. mr. igor, i congratulate you. congratulations. thank you for joining the broadcast and we are waiting for the inclusion of viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis, from sumy, precisely from the city that is located on the border, next to the course. region, i hope that viktor boberenko will join our broadcast, and we will talk about, in particular, that is happening in the neighboring kurshchyna region, and how it is reflected in the sumy region, in the sumy region, in particular in sumy, but before actually starting this big conversation, i would like you, mr. igor, to answer

the question that we are conducting among our viewers and tv viewers, we ask them about this, are there...among good russians useful for ukraine, how would you answer this question? no, well, there are certainly useful for ukraine, who serve in volunteer formations, which are part of the armed forces of ukraine, with weapons in their hands fight against putin's regime and against russia as an aggressor country, therefore these people definitely fall under the definition of good russians in the sense that they call a spade a spade and try to really change it. the situation that arose first of all in their country, all others who are currently abroad, who call themselves the russian position, it seems to me that they have very, very many questions, and with each, well, with each minute, i would say yes, every day these questions are getting more and more to them and more, because they had a lot of time to decide, to take the right

position, but as we see, as they say in russia, harbatov's grave will do, well , to some extent, this applies to those who claim the status of this alternative for putin, and it must be said frankly that this is a kind of alternative. well, you mean the three opposition politicians who were changed by putin into murderers and spies, these are volodymyr karamurza and lev yashin, and who else is pivavarov, andriy pivavarov, people who came out after the exchange and began to speak to the actual audience, and almost... no longer mentioned the events in ukraine, but they said that they would seek sanctions, to lift sanctions against ordinary russians, and that there is no need to identify putin with russians, that there is putin, there are russians, and there are sanctions that are working against putin, what sanctions are working against the russians, and these sanctions against the russians can be lifted,

do you think, it's just information technology, how? are being launched by the russians now for our western partners, or is it simply a misunderstanding of the current situation in russia, in ukraine, and in the world in general, that these the oppositionists have simply lost their sense of reality and these slogans were interesting or, let's say, relevant 5 years ago, but now they are no longer relevant, well, this is just a loss and a loss of understanding of this situation, because they really are. in the past, they think in such categories that today absolutely do not work. i understand that these people had one objective reason: they were behind bars long enough. and judging by their words, they usually had limited access to that information there as well they received it only as yashin said, yes, they received it only from

the pro-government russian tv channels that poured this propaganda, but in such a case, when you have already been released, you have been exchanged, maybe you should take a short break, figure it out, see what is happening, and then to come out with some statements, the only thing that, well, i was very, very little, but it made me happy, but still, among this trio... one yashin had just enough strength, probably, courage and intelligence for the very next day to give more lengthy interview in which he to some extent apologized or refuted the words that he said, he said that no, no, russia must definitely be defeated, russia must lose this war, the war is unjust and so on, he spoke a lot there and said that he was misunderstood, but we'll see how it goes, because you know, so far it seems that if they would attract some attention to themselves with... now there will be a period when they will be actively performing there somewhere, making some statements, and then, given , that they do not have any real levers of influence, about

they will begin to be forgotten, i am not even talking about russia, because unfortunately they are in a very marginal position there, and especially no one pays attention to them there, they will probably stop paying attention to them even in the west, they will do standard things , which, by the way, putin did not count on, that is, to settle accounts within the russian opposition, to determine who is the largest opposition there. i would like to be wrong, of course, because they still have the opportunity to come out now and say, we are forming some kind of committee there aid to ukraine, ready to come to ukraine to help, almost there with weapons in their hands, but something tells me that they will take a completely different position, and this position will be as far removed from the war as possible, for one, incidentally, simple reason, because when they talk about the beautiful russia of the future, well, it has already turned into a dream, they see themselves at the head of this russia, that is, they think not so much about overthrowing this government and really changing the country, but simply becoming a new government, agree, this is a rather serious difference, which imposes on them, well, at least certain

restrictions, and it leads to the statements that they made immediately after they were released under this exchange. thank you, mr. igor, and viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis from sumy, has already joined us. mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good health to you, listen, well, events are unfolding there, i literally understand the scale of the distance between sumy and the judge and the border that begins, because i myself come from sumy district, and in principle, all these, all these geographical names and how it all unfolds, i roughly imagine how it is in reality, how the situation is now in sumy oblast and in particular in sumy. i know that the russians are trying to use guided air bombs to strike the sumy region, in particular , the sumy area, and the anti-aircraft

defense works very well. how is sumy region living now in the conditions when the war has spilled over to the other side of the border, well, they shoot down, even their iskanders shoot down our which means that there are some technical systems here, i.e. traction. apparently general staff, well, i have absolutely no information, but the fact that the iskanders are shot down, what does that indicate, yes, they shot it down high above it, because the flight of pieces of debris is scattered over there, well, there are different pieces of debris 3-5 km away they are flying from the same rocket, so at a high altitude, i understand that they were shot down, but on the one hand, everyone seems to be happy that they went to... according to my information, the suja has already been taken, not only that, but also take the right bank , there the river cuts the river in half, yes, they took not only the one that shines there, but the one that goes there,

they took, there was a distribution station there, where the pipe entered ukraine, yes, it was a gas distribution station there, where russian gas entered and passed, well, and another station in uzhgorod, that is, well, that’s it, yes, urengoi killed uzhgorod, yes so... it turned out, it turned out like this, that in the 22nd year i said that there would definitely be a war, but i was wrong in only one thing, i say, well, most likely they will not go into sums, why , because the truth is that the pipe enters here, it makes a u-turn in terny, and there are also many of these stations there substation, then i thought, well , they won't dance on the trumpet, which brings them oil and gas dollars, right? but it is even more paradoxical that the war was going on, the war is going on now, but no one touched the pipe, everyone pretended that there the pipe is one thing, there

, yes, everything else is... another thing, but meanwhile, well, here they are hot and it will continue, but if we return to the conversation about the oppositionists, then they can just go, sit down, go to the court to make a temporary government here, but in the court it says that this is the new russia, and then we would pay attention to them, yes there make some kind of russian volunteer corps there or russian liberation. on the army will do yes by analogy, but to say that this is our army, we will liberate russia there together with the armed forces of ukraine, it would be a bypass, so i judge the yovelkas, while it is under the control of the armed forces of ukraine, well, but this is the same judgment - this is the eastern slobojan region, it's just that all those villages that are in sudja are ukrainian settlements, i was in sudja, well,

before the orange revolution, of course. but when i was a student of philology, i once drove there, we went there for practice and it was a grant even there there was then the euroregion of yaroslavna and the europeans gave money for orks to make orks to make with people and there, like , let's talk with them, there were joint alloys and we studied a project called the study of ukrainian-russian parubizhja , so i assure you that suja is this ukrainian town is... the 100th town of the sumy slobitsk regiment, and even there, old people still speak, speak ukrainian, just like me, the same surzhik, it is clear that they did not hear ukrainian at school there and in kindergarten, and their children are also taught there to sing russia is our sacred state, and everyone there is sure that suja is a sacred russian land, but it is a ukrainian village, well

, a town, let's say so, by the way. you mentioned that this is a ukrainian town, we must tell our viewers that as of 2005 there were 6,800 people there, that is , by the standards of the district center, i don't know, probably less than even the district center, it is a large village by the standards of ukraine , but in 1897 , 7,400 people lived there, and 61% of them. spoke about the fact that the native language is ukrainian, 61%, and 37% that it is russian, that is, 2/3 of the residents believed that the ukrainian language is their native language, but less so in this situation that we have now, and with this information that we are working with, mr. igor, there is information that is from the russians, that is, the ministry of defense of the russian federation, there is a statement from putin, there is a statement from gerasimov, there are no statements from the ukrainian

side. well, obviously there are some reasons for this, that ukraine does not declare that they are going deep into russia, and already 10-15 km deep, there are 10 settlements and 11 i understand, this is sudja, in your opinion, what will ukraine gain by transferring the war to the territory of the enemy, maybe it will not be long, maybe it will be fragmentary, maybe, on the contrary, it will be possible to reach kurchatov, capture kursk as, and then, as i said putin, already agree on the situation that has developed on the ground, he likes to say that, so here is the situation that has developed on the ground, on kursk, which is now evidenced, by the way, if you even look at the map, here is the territory that is controlled now, well,

let's talk like ukrainian troops, at least... you noted correctly, there is no official confirmation, and our government in general is like, you know, mouth watering, it does not comment on anything, even the evening address of the president, well, it was done very correctly by the way, he said that ukrainian soldiers carry out the defense of the country using various tools, means and all possible mechanisms, that is, in this context, even this territory , according to recent events, looks very, very serious, you know, because there are dozens of them. square kilometers, if not already hundreds, if you look specifically at square kilometers, so i think that ukraine receives, first of all, to some extent, apparently, a distraction from other areas of the front, that is, the russians have to accept certain...