aggressor, therefore, of course, these people definitely fall under the definition of good russians in the sense that they call a spade a spade and try to really change the situation that arose in the first place in their country. all others who are currently abroad, who call themselves the russian position, it seems to me that they have very, very many questions, and with each, well with each minute, i would say yes, yes, with each day... there are more and more questions for them, because they had a lot of time, to decide, to take the right position, but as we see, as they say in russia , harbatov's grave will do, well, to a certain extent, this applies to those who claim the status of this alternative for putin, and it must be said frankly that it is such an alternative. well, you mean the three opposition politicians whom putin changed into murderers and spies, these are volodymyr karamurza and levyashin. and who else is pivavarova andriy

pivavarov, people who came out after the exchange and started speaking to the actual audience and almost did not mention the events in ukraine, but said about that they will push for sanctions, for the lifting of sanctions against ordinary russians, and that there is no need to identify putin with russians, that putin is. the russians have sanctions that are working against putin, what sanctions are working against the russians, and these sanctions against the russians can be lifted, what do you think, is this just an information technology that the russians are launching now for our western partners, or is it just a misunderstanding of the situation, which is now in russia, in ukraine, and in general in the world, that these oppositionists have simply lost a sense of reality and... these slogans were

interesting there or, let's say, relevant five years ago, but now they are no longer relevant. well, this is just a loss and a loss of understanding of this situation, because they really remained in the past, they think in such categories that absolutely do not work today. i understand that these people had one objective reason, they were behind bars for a long enough time, and judging by their words, they usually had limited access to that. information and they received it only, as yashin said, yes, they received it only from the russian pro-government tv channels there, which infused this propaganda, but in such a case, when you have already been released, you have been exchanged, maybe you should take a short break, figure it out, see what happens, and then come out with some statements, the only thing that, well, i was very, very little, but pleased, but still, among this trio, one yashin had just enough strength. probably the courage and intelligence

to give a more extensive interview the very next day, v to which he somewhat apologized or refuted the words that he said, he said that no, no, russia must definitely be defeated, russia must lose in this war, the war is unjust and so on, he spoke a lot there and said that his didn't quite understand, but let's see how it will happen next, because you know this, so far it seems that if they would attract some attention to themselves, now there will be a period when they will actively perform there somewhere, do some... events, and then, given that they have no real ones some levers of influence, they will begin to be forgotten, i am not even talking about russia, because , unfortunately, they are in a very marginal position there, and especially no one pays attention to them there, they will probably stop paying attention to them even in the west , they will do the standard things, which, by the way, putin did not count on, that is, to settle scores within the russian opposition, to determine who is the biggest oppositionist there, i would like to be wrong, of course, because they still have the opportunity now ... to say , we form there

some committee to help ukraine, they are ready to come to ukraine, to help, almost there with weapons in their hands, but something tells me that they will take a completely different position, and this position will be as far removed from the war as possible, for one, by the way, simple reason , because when they talk about the beautiful russia of the future, well, it has already turned into a meme, they see themselves at the head of this russia, that is, they think not so much about overthrowing this government and really changing the country, but simply... becoming a new government, agree, this is quite a serious difference, which imposes on them, well, at least certain restrictions, and it leads to such statements that they made immediately after they were released under this exchange. thank you, mr. igor, and viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis from sumy, has already joined us. mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good health to you. listen, well, you have events unfolding there, but literally i... understand this

remote scale between sumy and suja and the border that begins, because i myself come from the sumy district, and in principle i all these... all all these geographical names and how it all unfolds, i roughly imagine how it is in reality, how the situation is now in sumy oblast and in particular in sumy, i know that the russians are trying to strike with guided aerial bombs in the sumy region, in particular, in sumy , air defense works very well, how is sumy region living now in the conditions when the war ended? on the other side of the border, well , ours are being shot down, even their iskanders are being shot down, which means that there are some technical systems here, that is, they pulled up, probably the general staff, well, i am there is absolutely no information, but it

is what the iskanders shoot down, which is already evidenced by yes, they shoot it down high above it, because there is a scattering of pieces of debris over there, well, there are different pieces of one and the same thing 3-5 km away rockets are flying, so at a high altitude, i understand that they were shot down, then, well, on the one hand, everyone is happy that ours have entered, according to my information, the judgment has already been taken, it was enough to take the right bank as well, i judge there the river cuts in half, yes, they took not only the one that flows there, but the one that goes there, they took it there same distribution station, where the pipe entered ukraine. gas gas distribution station, where russian gas entered and passed, well, and another station in uzhgorod, that is, well, that’s how it was, yes, urengoy destroyed uzhgorod, yes, that’s how it turned out, what i

said in the 22nd year, that there will definitely be a war, but i was wrong in only one thing, i say, well , most likely still in sums, they will not go, why, because the court has come here. in terny, it makes a u-turn, and there are also many substations there, so i thought well, they won't dance on the trumpet, which brings them oil and gas dollars, but what is even more paradoxical is that the war was going on, the war is going on now, but no one touched the trumpet, everyone pretended that there was a trumpet one thing is there and everything else is different, but in the meantime , well... it's hot and hot here and it will continue, but if we return to the conversation about the oppositionists, then they can just go, sit down, go to the court, make a temporary government here, but in the judgment, it says that this is novaya russia, this is it, and then, then we would

have paid attention to them, and there to make some russian the volunteer corps there or the russian liberation army will do yes by analogy, let's say that it is... our army, we will liberate russia there together with the armed forces of ukraine, it would be a bhod, so i judge with a yoke, while it is under the control of the armed forces ukraine, well, it's suja, it's eastern slobozhanshchyna, it's just that all these villages in suja are ukrainian settlements, i was in suja, of course, before the orange revolution, but i was a student of philology, we were there once. .. they went to practice and it was a grant, even there they were, well then there was the euroregion of yaroslavna, and the europeans gave money to make the orcs human, let's talk with them, there were joint alliances, and we researched, the project was called

the study of the ukrainian-russian steamship, then i assure you that sudja is a ukrainian town, it is the hundredth town of the sumy and slobitsk regiments, so... and there, old people still speak ukrainian in exactly the same way as i do, in the same dialect, it is clear that the school there is ukrainian they did not hear the language in kindergarten, and their children are also taught they sing there, russia is our sacred state, and everyone there is sure that suja is a sacred russian land, but this is a ukrainian village, well , a town, let's say it like that, by the way, you mentioned that it's a ukrainian town, you have to... say to our tv viewers that as of 2005 there were 6,800 people there, that is, by the standards of the district center, i don't know, probably even less than the district center, this is a large village by the standards of ukraine, but in 1897

, 7,400 people lived there, 61% of them said that their native language is ukrainian, 61%, and 37%. that russian, that is, 2/3 of the residents believed that the ukrainian language is their native language, but less so in this situation we have now and with the information we are working with. mr. igor, there is information that is from the russians, that is, the ministry of defense of the russian federation, there is a statement from putin, there is a statement from gerasimov, there are no statements from the ukrainian side, and obviously there are reasons for this, that ukraine does not declare that they are going deep into russia , and already 10-15 km deep, there are 10 settlements and 11, as i understand it, are sudja. in your opinion, that's what captures ukraine, transferring the war to

the enemy's territory. maybe, maybe it won't be long, maybe it will be fragmented, maybe on the contrary it will be possible to reach kurchatov, capture the kursk as, and then, as putin said, already agree on the situation that has developed on the ground, he likes to say that, so... what does the situation on the ground, on kursk, indicate now? by the way, if you even look at the map, here is the territory that is now controlled by, well , let’s put it that way, ukrainian troops, although you correctly noted, there is no official confirmation, and in general , the government in our country is like, you know, mouth watering, it does not comment on anything, even the evening addresses of the president, well, it is very correct, by the way , it was done, he said that ukrainian soldiers carry out the defense of the country using various tools, means and all possible mechanisms, that is, in this context, even this territory,

according to recent events, it looks very, very, you know, so serious, because it is tens of square kilometers, if not hundreds, if you look specifically about square kilometers, so i think that , first of all, ukraine is getting, to some extent , a diversion of attention from other areas of the front, that is, the russians have to make certain decisions and transfer certain forces, and this was very clearly visible during today. meeting of the so -called russian security council, by the way, i will not be surprised that if after this whole story, when it might end there, we do not know, yes, this person who is now on the screen, he will eventually fly from his position, i i mean gerasimov, because somehow today it looked like they were they will look for the extreme ones, and the extreme one will be the one who just overslept, such a very, very successful entry into the territory of the russian federation itself, the second moment, of course, is an informational moment, because... everyone is talking about it now and you should pay attention, what was the reaction of the european commission, what was the reaction of the united states. the russians began

to complain that the state debt office and the united states should immediately stop this, they did not give ukraine permission for this. what was the statement that the ukrainians adhere to their commitments regarding the american strikes long-range weapons on the territory of russia, ukraine has the right to take all other actions, it decides for itself what and how to do, and all this is connected with the protection of the territorial... integrity of the state sovereignty of ukraine, that is, the answer is very clear, by the way, shows that all countries, including our partners, love the strong, but ukraine has demonstrated a very strong position, and accordingly, no one criticizes, no one says that something is wrong, everyone says no- no, they have every right, they do what they see fit, and they are the third, most important point, this transfer of the war to a certain extent to the territory of the russian federation itself, well, this is so much a spit in the face of putin, and by the way... a blow even to the staunch russian people, because they now do not understand what

is happening in in the 22nd year, they started from kyiv about three days ago, and now the person who made the first such statement, in fact, well, the so-called simonyan, yes, they have one there, she wrote a post today that we are praying for kursk there and so on. that is, how the situation has changed since the 22nd year, and here, in principle, a lot arises the questions of these russians to the russian authorities is that it is ineffective, that... it does not cope with any duties, promises, and so on. well, there is one more point, we talked about it at the beginning, about it yesterday, today a little less, but it will definitely come up later. here again the story about the fact that there are some privileged military units in russia, such as kadyrivtsi and akhmat, and there are all the others, they can run away, remove some outposts, and they will not get anything for it, yes, and others will suffer for it and right after that captives say that they have left everything. and fled there, it will incite a certain hatred, enmity, including within

the various armed formations that are in russia, this is also an extremely very positive moment, and finally, we do not know, you know, what is the purpose of all this, how about , why was all this planned, there can be many options, and a nuclear power plant, and a gas distribution node, and many other moments, but the fact that this operation was very well prepared and it was being prepared. in great secrecy, it is already in no one, i think, has any doubts, by the way, it resembles the kharkiv operation, then it was managed directly on the ground by the current commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, so i think that... this is only the beginning, we are seeing the first stage of something, and what will happen next, well, we will find out in the near future, i hope that it will be very pleasant news, at least there are certain prerequisites for this, already the governor of the kursk region, or the acting governor, oleksiy smirnov, said that the russian authorities organized the evacuation of civilians from the new

war zones and deploys refugee camps. let's hear what he said. at the same time, in ukraine, sumy oblast has already announced the mandatory evacuation of 20. three settlements in five communities of the sumy district bordering with russia, i.e. krasnopilska, mykolaivska, myropilska, yunakovsky and khotynska, it is about the evacuation of about 6,000 people, among 425 of them are children, well, obviously it's all these border villages, a part of the people there have already left, some of the houses in

yunakovka are obviously already a little broken. the russians, because the same shelling, they have been going on for 2.5 years, and russian sabotage and intelligence groups also enter the territory of sumy oblast and constantly launch drones. mr. viktor, is it felt in sumy that the evacuation is underway, that people are leaving from the east of these villages and eastern districts, what is happening in the city, how are sumy residents reacting to it, what are they saying. that is, how do they perceive the current reality, because during the great offensive , thanks to the people of sumy, many military issues were resolved when the russians were afraid to enter sumy, and they burned them there, and the partisans were quite active there in february, march, well, what can i

say eh? it is not felt strongly, although resettlement from one community to another takes place mostly within the region, although if someone has relatives somewhere further away, then everyone moves away, all my acquaintances have packed suitcases, yes alarming suitcases, so that not to run into the incident that happened on february 24, 2022, and everyone is asking each other whether it is time to go or not, but everyone. and i will even say, i myself was in khatin last week, i am in one, well, i can say, project of the international organization of migration, we deliver repair kits, including usb plates, to the affected households, so that you can cover up the holes in the roofs in the windows, well, that's all , and i talk to those

people, and a lot of them left, got registered as... poshniks received help and returned back, including with children, well, i am wary of such mothers , well, in the same hut, when i look there is a mother and four children with her, she a woman with many children, she’s a hottie there, well, i say, why don’t you go, well, we traveled, they gave us a room in a dormitory somewhere, we were bored, uninteresting there, well, we came back, and there are many of them, first of all, of course, old people, but mothers are only those who, well... i would say, are not quite adequate, because keeping children in a five-kilometer zone, well, it is, well, it is irresponsible to say the least, but there are a lot of old people, i have too, my classmates are there, my mother is there in youth, my mother is there, i am coming, i have everything, the house is full, my mother is coming he says, but where am i going to take the ducklings, i already took the ducklings

under the children, they are growing up, well, this is our people , we don't have anything else, here. but now elders and policemen are forcibly passing through all the villages and at least children are taken away from families with children , and i believe that this is correct, this is the correct action of the authorities, the local authorities are acting very correctly, very adequately, very sensibly, the same one over there is a gardener and this is the head of the khatin community, what kind of people, to whom a monument should be erected during their lifetime, the elders of those villages. settlements, which, well, no, they do not wear form, but perform feats every day, and yes, the government itself, the regional, military administration has very... little control over the situation, and what is worse, there is absolutely no feedback either with the mass media or with the public sector, then yes, absolutely, absolutely, it behaves

extremely poorly in terms of communication, but it used to be somehow better, but its communities have cooperation with military units that enter, they are actually stationed there, well, the communities have them, they are these communities beat first, they beat until they knock down all the eyes, well, mts towers, kyivstar, why then, and already there are no soviet telephones, there actually is somewhere in a ten-kilometer zone, the communication stops working, well, it is simply not there by phone, it's still bad, i have... very bad, very weak internet, now i'm praying that i don't get kicked out of your broadcast, but if the closer to the front, the connection, well, the less

likely it is , somewhere like that, here’s the message, i’m following the tape that’s going on, what’s happening in kurshchyna, they write about the fact that there’s an fpv drone they killed the top russian soldier yevgeny. dubny had 700,000 subscribers, and in particular, his last stream was shown there, where he conducted from kursk oblast , this russian warlord was getting word of mouth, well, one way or another, we will follow what is happening in kurshchyna, because the news is so unexpected and sometimes very dramatic and fast, and this clearly shows that the deeper... into russia, the easier it is for the ukrainian army to enter, because obviously in most regions, we are not talking about kursk

oblast, bilhorodsk or voronycheska, so that the military is still stationed there, but inside the state, obviously they did not expect that the ukrainians would enter, but we will return to another question, because what is happening now, these events are unfolding in the kursk region, they... are happening against the background of the fact that the ukrainian authorities say that there will be a next peace summit, we are ready to see the russians, and we are ready to talk with them, or at least discuss options for peace in ukraine, whether it will be the capitulation of the russian federation, it is not known whether it will be some neutral option for to stop the war, but in all these conversations... and after these conversations, the russians are saying, well, wait, there is putin, he said that we will determine it on the ground, at the moment when we are

negotiating , the situation on the ground will determine everything, we have proposals, you give us four regions, because they are already in the russian constitution, plus crimea, and accordingly, the armed forces of ukraine will leave there, shoigu, while in iran, said. that we did not receive a response from the ukrainians to our proposals, but simply put, to an ultimatum putin to ukraine, mr. igor, can we consider that the ukrainians responded to putin's ultimatum with kurshchyna, and we are also ready for negotiations on the situation on the ground. well, look, to a certain extent, because we, why i say to a certain extent, because we don't know how it's going to end, and what kind of strategic... design, it definitely is, it's not, you know, some sort of border raid , as we sometimes saw from the russian volunteers who did it, yes, they just focused more on

some kind of information support, on the to show that they entered, did something, then left, the situation is completely different here, i don’t know the results there, hundreds of times greater than the raids of volunteer russian units then, and in fact there is a certain informational silence, so this may be an element . including such a game that putin likes to play very much, well, the russians are constantly stepping on the same rake, that this game can be played by two, and actually it is now played by two, starting from the fact that drones they can fly to you, and drones can visit your energy and refinery hit, and missiles can come to you and hit yours, well, we hit military facilities, unfortunately, they are everywhere, and in the same way, your territory can end up under the control of... well, certain armed forces, because i say once again that ukraine officially does not recognize anything yet, but this is a very good position, it is, by the way, a position that is capable of changing to some extent, including the opinion

of our couples who are leaning against this ultimatum of putin, now they will see that in reality it is nothing more than words, and it really is possible turn this situation in a completely different direction, which to some extent ukraine is doing now, so let's see how it will go further, how it will actually end there, but it seems that with such actions ukraine has finally buried any claims of russia to this phrase that we will sit down at the transition table only under... conditions under conditions, if there, well, it will be taken into account where the front line is located there, by the way, you know this, it also reminded me of such an interesting story, uh, once upon a time molotov, it seems, yes, he flew to germany even before the beginning, before the 41st year, but the second world war was already going on and hitler was trying to give the impression that he had everything under control, they were winning the war and so on, but then the alarm went off,

they went to the bomb shelter, the british air force... it's a very similar story here, russia they are so eager to show their partners that they have everything under control, that these countries such as china and others must support their position, that we must on this demarcation line, even not only on it, further, so that ukraine gives us the territory, but it turns out , that the king and naked, that in fact, now russia is losing hundreds of squares. kilometers of its territory, which it had there in accordance with all treaties as of 1991, this is a very beautiful picture, and i am convinced that there in beijing and in many other capitals of countries that are looking closely at this situation and think about participating or not participating in some future peace summit there, their position changes to some extent, that is, they understand that ukraine is absolutely not in the situation that russia tells them about, and russia

, in turn, is absolutely not so horses, as they would like, well, show them what picture to draw. the situation is actually very different. mr. viktor, putin has repeatedly said that if something threatens russia's national security, if there is such a real threat, then we can use nuclear weapons there in accordance with current legislation. well, they constantly talked about it, they talked about it when it came to crimea. we were talking about other regions, which are supposedly in the russian constitution, on which measures putin can take, given his greedy character, on the fact that he is a person who grew up in the courtyards of st. petersburg and who is used to answering a blow with a blow. i have always said that putin is backed into a corner, he will be able to. to use

nuclear weapons, at least tactical ones, but in this case, in this situation, he will not use them and that he will once again show everyone that they are just swinging a baton there, they are only shouting that i am a fool, i am obsessed with a grenade, a bitch or a whore, well , we'll all die there, which in fact is, well, it's a hoax for visitors, and you don't have to believe in these hoaxes. there will be no further escalation, but this indeed, a very politically balanced step, i don't know how the state of war is there, i also think that there is some kind of military plan there , but politically, if we showed, yes, what we can do, okay, there, let's exchange i'm judging by the energy gift, but there it's like, we're yours, your regional center, you're ours, here's a profitable energy gift for us, and the direction of the offensive on...

chatov was probably chosen from the same position, so why did you take away one nuclear power plant from us station, well, we will try you, but you must understand that for a deep russian they very clearly distinguish between new and purchased territories and those that they call the holy russian land, we have already said that this is no russian land at all, it is a ukrainian slobzhanshchyna, just like that it came under their control, but... all of them, all of these warriors, all of the nightingales, the skabeevs and so on, and so on, they very clearly distinguish that here and there we can cede kherson, and even make a difficult decision, this is the holy russian land, and they will be here, they will act only in this way, they will be canceled.