the forces of ukraine have been fighting for the third day in the territory of the kursk region of russia, while the ukrainian authorities have not made any official statements on this matter. russia has imposed a state of emergency in the kursk region and announced the evacuation of the population, while russian pro-war telegram channels report the advance of ukrainian troops deep into the region. everything that is known about the so- called kursk front. we are talking today at svoboda live. my name is vlasta lazur. come on in kursk oblast - this is the first case since the second world war when the army of another country invaded russia - bloomberg writes. this situation showed the vulnerability of the russian border, raised the morale of ukrainians and undermined the image of vladimir putin created by the kremlin as a protector of russians - writes bloomberg. the publication notes that the war started by putin against ukraine is increasingly spilling over into the territory of russia itself, which will probably strengthen the argument. countries that

the united states and european allies should not be afraid of the kremlin's threats to escalate, writes bloomberg. according to russian pro-war telegram channels, ukrainian the troops conducting an offensive in the kursk region continued to advance deep into the region, occupied the outskirts of the city of suzhi and approached the village of koreneve. koreneva according to the latest calculations of the russian edition of the agency, ukrainian forces occupied more than 400 km of the territory of the kursk region. for one day , the armed forces broke through defensive fortifications worth more than 15 billion rubles, the agency writes. russia built these fortifications already during a full-scale war. this is footage of the alleged destruction of ukrainian armored vehicles and manpower in the kursk region of russia. their today published by the russian ministry of defense. there, they officially announced the fighting in two districts of the kursk region, suzhansk and korenivsk. instead, the ukrainian authorities did not comment on the fighting in the kursk region. since

august 6, when the border breach took place, planes overhead, guess what, at first, russian soldiers write, everything looked like an attempt to break through sabotage and intelligence groups from the side of ukraine, russia is already used to this, something similar happened last year as well, but later it became clear that the situation is much more serious, the residents of russia were the first to feel it... suzhi, a city located 10 km from the russian-ukrainian border. locals without waiting for official calls. they immediately began to leave their homes. the shelling began. after the mother gave birth, we first jumped into the car and drove away. then i had to return under shellfire for documents. our house was shelled. it is dangerous to go back there. the tanks are already standing there, and they entered from the sverdlykov side. according to the government, they explain that everything is equal, clearly, there is nothing. it. full, it's full.

then the ministry of defense of russia said that the region the ukrainian army attacked. if we talk about the military goal, then this is an attempt to draw some forces from other areas of the front to the kursk region, but first of all to prevent the transfer of reserves to the front in ukraine on the occupied territory of ukraine, which may be, for example, in the kursk region, and, accordingly, to demonstrate these political goals. this is a task, to say the least, but if it turns out that a permanent hotbed of hostilities has arisen in... the kursk region on the territory of russia, this will already significantly change the strategic picture of the war. already significant changes the strategic picture of the war. the fighting in the kursk region continued all night, already on the morning of august 7, the ministry of defense of russia announced the advance to the area of ​​hostilities, the reserve and the destruction of ukrainian armored vehicles. but the real situation in the kursk region is still not fully understood. russian military correspondents initially wrote that... the armed forces of ukraine

advanced about 6 km deep. later , information appeared that the armed forces had already advanced to a depth of 15 km and expanded the kurdish front to 10-11 km. they also wrote that the zsu control 11 settlements. the acting governor of the kursk region recorded a statement the day before that fighting was going on at the border, and later announced the evacuation of people and a conversation with vladimir putin. according to local authorities, the number of wounded civilians in the region has increased to 28, five people have died. it was written on the network that there was no electricity or water in the courts, and the locals were hiding in basements. 14 hours. for more than 14 hours, the city has been bombarded continuously . on the ukrainian side, the head of sumy of the regional administration stated that russian missiles, two drones and a rotorcraft were shot down. the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, in response to a request to... mention what is happening

under the judge, told the ukrainian service of the bbc that they do not yet have information on this matter, meanwhile a video appeared of probably russian servicemen who... say that they were captured in the kursk region. my colleagues were able to identify at least two individuals based on their social networks. these are two conscripts, one is 21 years old, the other is 22. one from the belgorod region, the other from the republic of komi. in the traditional evening address, volodymyr zelenskyi did not say anything about the fighting in the kursk region. meanwhile , the president of russia, vladimir putin , started his meeting with the members of the board with this. despite this, military correspondents from both sides write online that hostilities continue and the armed forces of ukraine are advancing deep into russian territory, this is the first such breakthrough by the ukrainian military and a failure by the russians, says a military expert. it's absolutely fantastic the failure of russian military intelligence,

because it is natural that such an operation, which is carried out by the armed forces of ukraine, was prepared for a long time, and it is well prepared, which means that it was prepared for a long time, but it was not disclosed, as they say in... professionals of these departments, nor satellite intelligence, nor frontline intelligence, for the russian authorities it was just a shock and a thunderbolt from the sky, the first reports simply indicate complete confusion, now queues appear in kursk at blood transfusion centers, and in the region all mass events anastasia potapenko, radio liberty. and ihor romanenko, retired lieutenant general, deputy chief of the general staff, has already joined our broadcast. of the armed forces of ukraine 2006-10. i congratulate you. i congratulate you. well, the first question is very simple, what is going on? because the information comes mainly from russian sources, and it is very contradictory. the ministry of defense of russia declares that the offensive of the armed forces has been stopped, but all kinds of pro-war

publications, z-channels, so-called, write that, on the contrary, the situation for russia is getting worse. from this information, which is in open access, what preliminary assessments can you make? a raid is taking place, a grouping at the level of up to two battalions, armed with equipment, there are more than a dozen tanks, more than 20 units of combat armored vehicles, as well as means of anti-aircraft defense, in my opinion, this distinguishes this kind from the previous ones, and so we have what to compare, that is, these are not the kind of combat actions that... we have not seen or do not know before, we know how the russian volunteers carried it out, but here it is more powerful, but everything is still at the tactical level, the meaning, maybe it will be clear later, and

how effectively all this was done, but you can clearly say that what happened... unexpectedly for the enemy, you said, you said that the raid was taking place, for what purpose it was taking place, did you understand the purpose of this operation ? well, as far as i can judge, i have my own thoughts on this matter, if we see, look at the map and the location and actions, then it is on the one hand, in relation to the map not very yes... from the direction of the amount, you see, on the other hand side, we had information both from us and from abroad about the fact that the military is gathering here the potential is russian, and the question

of different options arises, well, is it the first time, like us or, so it was, for example, in the direction of kharkiv, that is, the enemy took the initiative, then they... as you know, advanced 10 km, here you can see and to see analogues from diymen, that means forces, if pro-ukrainian, we are saying so far exactly which ones, that is, there are sources that russian volunteers are taking part again, in this regard, the only official statement is that this is not happening on the part of the ukrainian side, but yes or another option, when they found out that in... the enemy can to act in this direction, he concentrates his efforts and does not wait for his actions, to plan and conduct his own, and this has a deep meaning. in addition, we can analyze the consequences of previous raids and have seen that there

, first of all, there are hopes, again pro-ukrainian, the enemy was forced to divert resources. reserves, including in one of these raids, were forced to withdraw troops, while the kharkiv direction was moved to stop and restore the situation. anyway, since the 14th year, i have been using the criteria of whether it is beneficial for the ukrainian side at the moment, i am talking about the fact that it is beneficial, that it has a positive effect on this situation at the moment, and i wish success to the pro-ukrainian forces, let me clarify, you said that this is a raid, and maybe it it is being carried out in order to... prevent an attack by russian troops who are gathering there on the border there from

the sumy oblast, but if any troops were really gathering there, they would have given some kind of response to the ukrainian armed forces, and we saw the video, well at least which distribute in networks, mostly in russian social networks, in telegram, we see that they surrender very easily, there is information that several dozen, there is a difference of information from 50 to 300 ukrainian troops captured by russia. military, it looks like no one was waiting there? listen, there is a classic example, well, the truth is a large mass of troops, and the beginning of the war in the second world war, the participation of the soviet union. it is known that the soviet union was gathering large forces, and it exceeded in all basic indicators, aircraft, artillery, personnel and such another, the german-fascist forces that were assembled, but... they with their experience, with a large share of modern weapons, which were from

a smaller number, began to act, and it was unexpected, and the soviets, the red army could stop only in 42 -th year, this advance only from the 43rd began appropriate offensive actions, here is the approach, here is the analysis, so i say once again, from the military point of view, if you do the analysis, you can see that this is also a success, unequivocally, which right now, no one will change the ukrainian side, that concentration, well, maybe not quite a large number, but still the grouping of troops, which was carried out, and before combat operations, not only a plan for the introduction of hostilities is developed, but also measures and a plan for the corresponding legation, that is, the introduction into you. the enemy, and all this was carried out in such a way that we can see that the consequences for the enemy

of this kind of action were unexpected. there are 10-11 settlements, well , still with small forces at the time of the extension, means to carry out a task related to the fact that... the enemy's equipment is destroyed, as well as manpower, and military personnel are taken prisoner. and besides, the moral-psychological factor works, which is that it is very important, it was unexpected not only at the military-tactical level, but it was unexpected at the strategic, moral-psychological level for all russians, and especially for these... border ones in the territory of this district where hostilities are taking place , you said, you said that this is

a raid, do i understand correctly, if it is a raid, then the troops have to leave and then return, it is about, it is not about being entrenched, whether they can be entrenched there for some indefinite time, all this is determined and depends on the resources and reserves that will be used, we can already see that after the first... actions, well, there is information that if the ukrainian side involved the introduction of the second echelon, if it exists, that is, unfortunately, i think that there is not much resource for known reasons, the slow supply of ammunition equipment to us from our allies, such a salvinovsky variant is managed escalation, thanks to which we are in the situation in which we are. israeli specialists who are fighting there say that america

helps ukraine on the level of a person who drowns and ties his hands. so, in connection with such help, they count on, let's say, a long continuation of this situation, well, this is very optimistic, but for some time, i think, it will be possible and they will perform this kind of task. do it right? i understand, it may happen that some period of time, i don't know, a week, a month, six months, ukrainian troops will simply hold these territories, they will be occupied, such a son. could be, if there were reserves, which i told you about for the second time, unfortunately, i do not see them, unfortunately, many other specialists do not see the general state of affairs, especially here at the front, the eastern front, so that to stabilize the situation there, or the way you want, i would very much like it to continue

exactly as you say of this situation, resources and reserves are needed, which, judging by the state. we are at the front, we have obl. do you allow that now russia will be massive, or not to massively withdraw their reserves from ukrainian territories, pokrovsk, toretsk, i don't know there, kherson region and send them to kursk region. i believe that it will be according to your second option, not very massively, if it will happen at all, russia will have enough resources not to shoot there and ensure the defense of kurshchyna. let's see. the situation around them , they need two or three days to assess the situation, organize themselves and shift their reserves in this direction, and if the results are not achieved, then maybe they will to overturn, as it happened thanks to our raids, not everyone, but the previous raid already

had such a situation, that is, they were forced. to withdraw troops from the front and redeploy them in order to stabilize the situation in their sense of approach, perhaps you should not underestimate russia like that there, they have aviation, they may now in a few more hours or days really pull up reserves there, are there any risks , that the troops that went there from this raid may not return precisely because russia will bring a large number of reserves there and not will give the opportunity to leave, well... to return, not to return, such, such a probability exists with all the troops currently operating on the fronts, it is a war, and everything depends, and once again i return to your question, they are around the same, as far as we have there will be weapons, equipment, ammunition and military resources, well, you

have a forecast, you see, more optimistic, i think, i’m here at all, you know, i don’t give any... i’m not an expert, i’ll leave it to you, what i heard seems to you well let it be mine, yes, you mentioned about, you mentioned about international partners, what do you think, such operations must be carried out, or in these realities in which ukraine lives, such operations are carried out with the consent of partners, or ukraine could have made a decision on its own to do this, and you did not watch memes in connection with this due to course circumstances, well, i could watch memes, but i don't care about... listen to my answer, you hardly let me speak, so, that's how this kind of action differs from our counteroffensive effort in the 23rd year, because these plans were in the 23rd announced to me what will happen next, almost exactly where, exactly how, shared with our allies, in connection with

this, the russians knew all this, and organized the defense, accordingly classically, and we managed to pass to... and only the first lines of this defense were occupied by the russians, and therefore, in general, one sheet, well, that let's see, in this case, since all this did not happen and was unexpected not only for the enemy, but also for our allies, so far all this is still progressing, if it was successful, but for the help that president biden spoke about, i apologize to our ukrainian people for a break of six months, we so far... we don't see significant activation at the level that would allow us to stop the enemy's pressure in our east, on other fronts the americans are not visible either, and that's a shame. thank you very much for your comment, ihor romanenko, retired lieutenant general, deputy chief of the general staff, from 2006 to 2010, we talked about the so-called kurdish front and how it might

end. thank you. well, although the ukrainian authorities do not officially confirm. the parity of the armed forces to this operation, accordingly, we do not know the objectives of this operation for sure, however, as it is written edition bloomberg, the goals can be not only military, but also political, well, for example, to seize territory as a potential bargaining chip in future negotiations with moscow. we will still talk about the political component of this operation today, you can write in the comments what you think about this whole story, but we also asked the opinions of people who live in the dnipro, and what is important in chernihiv and sumy, whether they support this operation . from your purely human point of view, listen, let our guys over there give them a good beating, positively they did the right thing, because that situation... is developing at our border, constant shelling, i think that they should also feel what it is like to live in such a state, under such stress? the military are people who

are responsible for this, we do not make decisions and our attitude, our attitude is everything that benefits us, then, i think that they, we trust them, if it is done this way, then it must be done this way, god forbid that we won, at least a little, at least in something, and then already... they are well done, they are making their way, so on their territory they act as they do, well, they are the first started to do, we are on our territory, and even more so, if, it seems to me, such cases that can be solved here in ukraine and not go where if, it seems to me that it is irrelevant, at the moment, it is irrelevant, how they will treat us with us, so we must treat them, the second, the second cannot be. i don't follow the details, but it's probably better in the kursk region than in the dnipro region, we'll change territories, we'll capture them, and we

will, i think that's what we need to do, and we're not people, they're ours that if they want, then they do, but they, that means, nothing can be done to them, positively, why, let them go on, where, where, to moscow, as long as it was possible? to receive such shelling from the enemy and everything and not do anything against them, i believe that this only showed our strength, we should have started moving towards moscow a long time ago, and that, by the way, is the judgment of our ukrainian city. well, you could have heard that the majority of ukrainians we interviewed support this operation, although of course this is not sociology, which means that these data are biased, but nevertheless, if we talk about the motives, well, some of them you... you listened, these are both military and political motives, why people support it, but there is really also a historical motive, these days, especially i i see in the ukrainian segment of social networks there is a very popular opinion that ukraine is supposedly

taking back its own, and here the city of suzha is first of all mentioned, as soon as the man in the frame mentioned that tsuzha is a city on the outskirts of which battles are currently ongoing, it is the kursk region, and for example , as told by historians according to the census in 1897, more than 60% of the people of sudzhan called themselves. well, what about whether there is any reason at all to seriously state now that ukraine is returning its own, even jokingly, we decided to talk about it with a historian, dmytro shurhalo, the author and host of the historical freedom program on radio liberty, joins our broadcast. dmitry, i congratulate you. good day dmytro, as a historian, how do you feel about these statements, they are often very ironic statements about what they said, but now these days ukraine is returning its own, do you, as historians, agree with such statements? well, i, as a historian, i will say as a citizen that, in principle, the internationally recognized borders of ukraine were quite normal, and

we should not have crossed them, and it was not ukraine that violated the border, russia violated the border, the internationally recognized border of ukraine, in relation to besides, we are returning ours or not, well , i don’t know here whether it is about the return, now, that is, there is a war, and now it has been transferred to the enemy, the enemy... but here it must be said that the city of suja is mentioned, that this is really a city, a small town the sumy, slobitsky cossack regiment, which was founded by the cossacks in the second half of the 16th century, ukrainian, as they appeared in the russian sources of the time, the cherkassy, ​​who moved to the sparsely populated territories at the time, and the moscow kingdom allowed them to settle there, and in fact, as the city of sumy was based on what kind of cossacks and the bridge, the town is smaller than the city of pol, that is, sumy was a regimental center, suja was the center of a hundred of the sumy, cossack slobitsky regiment, there regarding

the census, i will correct you a little, there did not call themselves ukrainians, there was an item on the language of communication in the census, nationality was not recorded there, religion was recorded there and the language used to communicate, and indeed almost 70%, 67% of the population. at that time, at the end of the 19th century, the suzhi people said that their language was little russian, then such a term appeared in this census, indeed there was a significant ukrainian component in this region, now the current censuses there record very little ukrainian, there it seems the last one at the beginning, here are the last censuses there is fixed somewhere in the court itself about 1%, a little more than 1%, in the suzhan district, a little more than 2% of ukrainians. but it was not like that once, by the way, 100 years ago, exactly 100 years ago, that is, in 1924 , there was a commission working to coordinate the border,

ukrainian-russian, well, soviet. within the framework of the newly created soviet union , the ukrainian-russian border was agreed upon, look actually, the map of ukraine for 1923 and there where red is painted and blue, these are actually disputed areas, who thought there, here is the border, the red color is ukrainian more than 50%, the blue color is more than 50% russians, but this is such a border area, and they actually thought about how to tighten the borders. ukraine, among other things, put forward claims to suzha, to graivoron, and to some other ukrainian territories, and by the way, on the merits, the commission agreed that this is correct, it should be to ukraine, but the commission was appealed by both the ukrainian side and russian, by the way, the arbitrator was there, the head of this commission was belarus, but both sides appealed, the ukrainians believed that they gave too little, and the russians believed that they were taking too much a lot, and as a result, from the 24th to

the 28th... a border was agreed upon such that suja graivaron, some other such districts with a ukrainian majority ended up on the other side of the ukrainian-russian border, on the russian side, that is, really, by the way, exactly 100 years ago, that is 24 years ago, ukraine made claims to suja, among other things, but you know, in such everyday conversations, not only from historians, you can hear such theses that they say, so there is already russian territory ... and this is a part of ukraine, the kuban, but again yes, this slobozhanshchyna, and they say, if there, these are very hypothetically well-known conversations, if one day russia disintegrates there, then ukraine could lay claim to these territories, but i often hear that historians try to cut down these conversations, because they say that there are actually no ukrainians there anymore and there is no need to have this sentiment here in ukraine. in this regard, i do, especially sentiments, that is, i

do not think that they are so important. territories, that without them ukraine cannot exist, that ukraine in general, well, it is not a historical question, it seems to me that it is already a question of politics, but if we take history, there is indeed a very large ukrainian component in these territories of eastern slobozhanshchyna, many people of ukrainian origin come from there, who made, for example, dmytro dontsov, he claimed to be an ideologue of ukrainian nationalism , he claimed that his ancestors came from the donets, actually from that eastern territory. zhanshchyna, which is now a part of the russian federation, and such people, well, there are quite a few, for example, the same historian kostomarov, from eastern slobozhanshchyna, so you can mention many others, that is , these historical lands have ukrainian history, there is a ukrainian component in their history, but now it is necessary to remember it, but whether it is necessary to be guided by it, well, it is not obvious to me , that it should

be guided, i thank you very much. dmytro shurkhalo, author and host of the historical freedom program on radio svoboda. we talked about the historical component of this so-called raid on the kursk region. thank you very much. well, what is the international reaction, what do the partners say, which, in particular, supply arms to ukraine. we already partially mentioned this today. so, the european union declared unequivocally that ukraine is not doing anything illegal. ukraine has a legal right to defend itself in a war with russia, in particular, by striking the aggressor on its territory. said peter stano, the representative of the european commission on foreign policy issues. as for the united states, the day before, the spokesman of the us state department, matthew miller, said that kyiv did not inform washington about the plans to conduct an operation in the kursk region, but , as miller said, there is nothing in this unusual i would disagree. he added that ukraine's actions in the kursk region do not contradict us policy, but emphasized that washington's position regarding strikes on russian territory by american weapons has not changed. let me remind you

that washington publicly forbade kyiv to use its weapons for strikes on russian territory, but even here there were exceptions, in particular when, after the re- occupation of part of the kharkiv region, the united states allowed its weapons to strike russia, that is, within the defense of kharkiv region. we want to talk about the political component of this operation, could ukraine start it without the consent of its partners, and the second important question is what consequences this operation will have for vladimir putin himself, who is trying his best to maintain the image of a defender. people, well, here, as we see, it turns out that he could not, could not, protect them. joining our broadcast is volodymyr ogrysko, head of the russian research center, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, 2007-9, i congratulate you, ulasto, good evening, well, look, it seems that for putin and for his ministers this the operation became, it became a complete surprise, how serious such a political defeat is for vladimir putin, well, you and i are already on...