it can be different, it happened in history that there could be a cessation of hostilities for a while and then some finding of some peace formulas or some geopolitical formulas, but no one recognized the occupation, no one in any way recognized that sanctions could be lifted or, for example, are these people innocent of the murders of ukrainians after that, if someone from ukraine... just goes that way, forgets what happened there, draws the line, come on, what difference does it make, no, well, this is not the right way, that's why i believe that what the current head of foreign policy is declaring irmak of ukraine, er, it's more like, well , these are the maneuvers that they know, why they do it, in general, i really hope, our some kind of victorious diplomatic line, which they er... want to lead, in in the context

of the next peace summit, the african tour of the minister of foreign affairs dmytro kuleba must also be considered, this means, mr. valery, that ukraine is starting to fight for the african continent, and if we compete with russia, then how can we compete with russia, considering that , that this week immediately two countries that have influence in moscow are mali and niger. announced the severing of diplomatic relations with ukraine, you asked everyone who watches the broadcast about diplomacy, i just want to give a little information that diplomacy is not the entire foreign policy of the country, both the president and the government take part in foreign policy, and the parliament is inter-parliamentary, and there are such sports initiatives, as they say yes sports diplomacy, there is cultural, it is not diplomacy.

diplomacy is a specific activity, professional of diplomats who are in the state services conduct this activity, so the fact that minister kuleba has now gone to africa is precisely diplomacy, that is, it was planned in advance, this is the fourth trip of only this minister, and before that minister klimkin went, well , i am not saying that in principle, of course, it should have been done earlier and intensively. but this is an ordinary trip to a planned group of countries, you see, it is purely regionally determined, there are three countries where the minister of foreign affairs has not yet visited this region, he went there, some agreements were worked out there, someone it seems, well, to be honest, well, you can say that during the war there, we are signing a visa-free agreement with mauritius, it doesn’t look like a huge success, but for... the mother, it’s

a normal thing, agreements are signed, but there’s nothing yet, i.e., i would not exaggerate or minimize the consequences of this trip, well, to speak tactically, then lavrov would have to go there, that is, lavrov had already been there, he had already noticed all the places there , and here we are late with these trips, we need to work with africa, it’s well... from voting in un to specific possibilities of interaction, but to a greater extent with the countries that dmytro kuleba visited now, there are mainly such things, there is some small interaction, plus vogon voting, but this does not mean that this activity should be ignored, moreover, i i will say, i would still like to wait for the appointment of those announced ambassadors, here is the second part now, minister kuleba announced that they recruited... they recruited, according to a

unique competition that had never been in the history of ukraine, they recruited candidates, thousands of people applied for ambassadors to africa, the question goes on, the second year is already going on, and where are those ambassadors, there are already funds allocated for the work of the embassies, there are already employees, there are no ambassadors, that is, it surprises me, so it is necessary that the work be carried out systematically, well, some elements can be added to official diplomacy, well , this week, our organization, we made a visit from such large african countries as nigeria and south africa, well, there is kenya and gambia, we made a visit of journalists, leading publications, and they cooperated very well here with our and the ministry of foreign affairs, mr. suph, who is the representative of the middle east of africa, participated. and i thank the heads

of the parliamentary committees, klin pushsensadze and merezhko, and the deputy ministers, that is , we are working with africa, the work has started to be more active. recent years, but it should still be more systematic. friends, i remind you that we are working live, conducting a survey, today we are asking you whether you consider ukrainian diplomacy to be effective? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have your own opinion, separate opinion, please write in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote by calling 0800 211 381, if you think: ukrainian diplomacy is effective? no. 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. well, we continue our conversation with politician and diplomat valery chaly. let's talk, mr.

valery, about lukashenko, because lukashenko made a statement at the meeting of the council of ministers internal affairs of states. members of the cis, he assumed the possibility of the collapse of russia. let's listen to what the belarusian dictator said about it. a permanent hybrid war is being waged against our peoples, and each of the cis countries has already experienced at least one color revolution, which is essentially an attempt at a coup d'état. the situation may develop in such a way that any of our states cannot do without this unity. and if... mr. valery, well , it seems that lukashenko should state that russia is already in the abyss, and they are also together with

russia, but there is not a single word here about the events, which are unfolding in kursk, about the csto, about cooperation within the cis, russia, why isn't lukashenko talking about it now? i think that he will be in this hole himself, he is trying to jump out now, i applaud this effort, what he says is one story, what he does is actually a little different, in this context there are more such statements polish, radiskarski, that is... lukashenko is giving signals that he can hold his own on the edge of the abyss, if he behaves correctly, what about other heads of state, what is he pulling them along with him, what is he signs for them, i think that they do not

think so, they have china, by the way, the same lukashenko also considers china as his suzerain. who will really save him from putin in this situation, because pay attention to the training of the chinese together with the belarusians recently, that is, this happened after putin, without informing sizenpin, went to north korea, so everything is not so simple there, but says he needs such things, because he, you see, in which composition and at which meeting he presides, well, i think that... he still dreams to head the union state with russia, well, it seems to me that you cannot sit on two chairs for so long, he still has to choose, either his personal security for the future and then

some bridges with western countries and distancing himself from putin, a war criminal, or he then will be in this precipice absolutely, and the fact that he wants to drag others in, well, i think they are smart, they... will not do it, but what happened in kurshchyna means that the csto, which he was so proud of putin, it is dead, right, because in principle, if russia had the support of this, this the organization of collective security, the treaty on collective security, there would probably be some other actions, i understand that none of the countries that are part of the csto are... not in a position to help russia with anything now, well, the csto died earlier, this organization , and clearly such a cross was already laid when they did not help burma in the war with azerbaijan, that is

, in fact, they did not stand up for the defense of the csto member in armenia, it was obvious to everyone, that's all, they destroyed this position, everything is fine. csto, so you understand, these countries, except for russia, they not because they expect help from russia, no, they are there because of that, now already, although. once it was on the southern border, islamic radicalism threatened some other things there, now they are there fearing that their exit from there will have consequences from russia, that is, they are now there simply to appease russia, not to participate, that more in the war against ukraine, this is all unreal, also, mr. valery, we are now watching... the unfolding of the presidential campaign in the united states of america, we see

how kamala harris's team is being formed, she decided on a vice president and a candidate for the position of vice president, tim walsh became him, and we can see that obviously in september we will have such and such a televised duel between trump and gary. on september 10, there will be a televised debate on abc news, but we are interested in the czech republic, of course, all these events in the context, in the ukrainian context, uh, zelensky personally had a rather difficult relationship with trump, it was in 2019, when zelensky spoke with trump on the phone and trump asked him to... contribute to case against hunter biden in the burism case. this week's publication came out in

the half, where simon schuster talks about the eve of the great war, that is, the munich conference of 2022, and not easy dialogues or difficult arguments that were between president zelensky and the vice president of the united states kamala garis, how is it? you assess, as a person who knows very well how the american political machine works, how these mutual misunderstandings existed between zelenskyi, trump, zelenskyi and garis, how this affects bilateral relations later two countries? i am very concerned that we are still in a different paradigm of evaluating elections, and i have tried it on more than one. i cannot change the transmission yet, the fact is that it is not so important for ukraine who

will win in this situation, it is more important for ukraine what will happen in terms of the supply of weapons and financial assistance from the united states, and by the end of the year, and in the next, in this sense, there will be turbulence in the states, and you know that we have no instrument, we have no conversation, no funding projects we... last year everyone talked about this package, now no one raises the question, but where is the package in the summer, already on october 1 the budget year in the usa approaches, we do not have funding, we do not have sufficient amounts in the budget for the next year, we don't even need 60 there or 40 that nato promised, and next year russia allocates 100 billion dollars for the war, only for the armed forces, i.e. lendlease for... that law has expired, no new one has been adopted, no one raises this issue , so i am very

concerned that our focus of attention is not only journalistic journalistic it's understandable because it's interesting to discuss, we now have all the experts on football, the olympics and the politics of the united states, and what's more, everyone is discussing technology, but no one has named who will be the vice presidential candidate from kamala harres , no one named, but all the following are specials. they will discuss further, well, that’s why it’s like this, you know, a fan will talk about another country, we don’t have our own presidential elections, then we’re bored, then we want to talk about others, and there are other problems, how can we even get over this 5 november, because a large part of trump's voters do not want to give up power in any vote, they want to get it, and on the other hand, on the other hand, on the side of kamal harris, the votes are rising in the other direction as well, so the turbulence

will be sky high , and the shutdown can already be said to be 90% profitable, and the shutdown, i will remind you, when these budgetary organizations did not work and part of the military did not work, then we also have a decrease in the pace of arms supply, that is, our risks are related , among other things, to will be the configuration of power in usa. if it will be four options, there are actually, and it can be a republican, the president, he can have the senate, then he appoints people loyal to him and... and there are no balance levers, and there can be a senate for democrats, and then there will be other people, compromising figures will appear, it may be the other way around, that the lower house will be for another party, or everything is concentrated in the hands of one democrat president and he has everything and also a republican, that is, these are four different scenarios, and american sponsors

are more worried right now not presidential campaign, sponsoring you... mainly districts, districts now, well, congressional elections, because the balance of power will depend on that, and joseph biden left because of that, he, well, he was pushed out, because of that, so, well, and by the way, by the way, there may still be surprises, regarding that, after all, you asked, i answer, personal moments that were before arise, they influence, but... i claim that they are not decisive, in the first place first of all , interests are decisive, and in the united states - this is a bright diplomacy of interest now, and i can to confirm, there may be smiles, there may be some friendly relations, but as long as your national interests coincide,

if the national interest of the united states diverged from the ukrainian strategic national interest, then... no good relations will help you, so we have to look institutionally to develop cooperation, indeed, with the democrats, with the republicans, and personally with various groups, by the way, there is no such unified team, as it is not surprising when the president and vice president, they have their own groups around them and the foreign policy of their own groups, there will still be many issues, and now there is serious competition and... and some frictions are happening, this is a normal process, but globally, i once again affirm and want to be heard, heard by everyone, that it is not so important who will win the white house, you can work with either candidate, how important it is that we do not stop the amount of aid from the usa, weapons, financial, and

political support, and andriy yermak, as... already mentioned by the head of the office of the president of ukraine in an interview with european pravda spoke about the fact that on the eve of the elections in the united states of america, ukraine is working with the democratic republican party to inform about the events in ukraine. let's hear what yarmak said? we greatly appreciate, first of all, the support of the entire american people and the bipartisan support that we have in congress, and certainly we are working today. with the entourage, with people from the staff and the candidate of donald trump, and even before the nomination, but the candidate of the democratic party for the vice president, kamala harris. it is very important to us that both headquarters, both candidates, people around, clearly understood, firstly,

even, i would say so, on a daily basis, and with the help of our. embassies in the united states, what is happening in ukraine, clearly understood at what stage the war is, clearly understood our strategy, and frankly, i think it is very important that both candidates really have a plan, a plan for ukrainian victory, here is the last phrase, mr. valery, i was most confused because yarmak says that... the two candidates must have a plan for ukrainian victory, well, they don't mean the plan that is zelenskyi, and they must have their own plans for ukrainian victory, could it be that both that candidate and that one can have their own plans, zelenskyy still has his own plan, well, the ukrainian authorities must, probably must have their own clear the plan, not just these 10 points

that were declared by zelensky, but the real plan for the ukrainian victory then, and kamala... haris and donald trump will understand what the ukrainian state actually wants, point by point. it seems to me that there is nothing to comment here, because what we heard are such familiar words, that is, correct words, it's good that conclusions have been drawn, it's bad that andriy yermak didn't hear me in the 19th year and almost got into a scandal with impeachment. it is good that the conclusions have now been drawn. and now even if they try to somehow be exactly distant, the only moment here is also not over. they would not bend here in the other direction, because it is better to be equally close, and not equally distant from the two headquarters, and i will tell you, for example, well, good words, i

immediately have a question, how did we work at the republican convention, yes, one ambassador, well, that's not enough, there is absolutely not enough work, there should be no... political support at the congresses, political parties should be, how did the office of the president and andriy borisovych personally work in these conditions, they blocked the trip of people's deputies of ukraine to the republican congress, well, opponents, yes, well, we didn't want the opponents to be there, well, okay, well, if you don't have your own representatives of the servants of the people party, then why do you block the opponents, realizing that you will not be replaced by anyone, well, use it. the platform is external, i don't know, for internal political struggle, well, that's it yesterday, that's why i want conclusions to be drawn in this regard, well, outwardly, everyone speaks

with one voice in principle, everyone helps the country, so words are not enough, we need to see the result, bipartisan, bicameral support, repetition of all this as mantras, we don't have a stable bicameral or two-party system. there is no support, we do not have a plan for the victory of ukraine under trump, there is no plan for the victory of ukraine under kamala garis and there is no plan for the victory of our national or defined national ukrainian, there is a ten-point formula, a good basis, i share these points, i have a question about how to guarantee further destruction from russia, well , i have my own proposal for membership in nato, yes, that is... in principle, there is a basis, but a realistic assessment of the situation and such scenarios of various scenarios is made in some groups, but so

that the office of the president, well, if he had gathered such a closed in-depth discussion, they do it through some orders to non-state structures, but very episodic, here we need to communicate directly, they did not have any such desire, so i say... already the last sometimes i don't trust much, i want to see actions thank you, mr. valery, we haven't mentioned orbán for a long time and we should mention him this week, because a group of 67 meps appealed to the european commission for restrictive measures against hungary due to budapest's decision to simplify the entry procedure for citizens of russia and belarus . i quote what the members of the european parliament say: we call on the european commission to take urgent measures to investigate hungary's decision, because it

could become a loophole, potentially endangering the functioning of the schengen area and its role as a safe place for citizens. if the hungarian government refuses to change its policy, the european commission and all eu representatives should question hungary's presence. in the schengen zone , it is said in the published letter, well , to put it simply, hungary, despite all reservations, despite all restrictions from european countries, allows belarusians and citizens of russia and belarus, simplifies the entry procedure for citizens of russia and belarus, as a result of which europe may face a new number of russian... killers and those people who can come to europe there and do some of their actions, what do you think, mr. valery,

that europe can do with hungary, apart from excluding hungary from the schengen zone? ukraine is not a member of the european union, i cannot say what europe should do in order to be in... this is what you said, what, what ukraine, what do we have the right to? ukraine, being in relations with the european union, including with hungary, in partnership relations, that is, we have only just opened negotiations on accession, but we are in the format partnership, so we are already implementing a common european policy, foreign and security policy in many respects. that is, this is one of the positions of the treaty of amsterdam, every country that is a member of the european union must coordinate, foreign policy, that is... what hungary

demonstrably does not do, that is, if, as an expert observer, i will say that hungary does not actually fulfill basic, namely in this area, does not fulfill the basic prescriptions, well, but it is already a decision according to brussels, how to bring it to mind, because it looks like side is very weak, well, maybe it's good that there are such challenges now that... the european union would find answers to them, because one country, of course, will not make the weather there, but slovakia looks at it in such a way that it is possible to catch fish, not slovakia itself, and the leaders, just like hungary, this is not hungary, these are also its leaders, at the moment, hungary can change, it can change after the elections of its leadership in the 26th year, so this is an attempt to catch a fish in muddy water with of all parties, of

course, those who do not contribute, including consolidation of the european union, and it's high time, as an observer, i would say that, well, it's time to take some measures, it's obvious, but we have bilateral relations with hungary, we have a common border, it's important for us now to have a maximum resolution of issues, which are in our strategic interests, and if hungary blocks our european path, we must also look for a solution through brussels and be, and defend our national interests, not fall. on the heels of the hungarian populist offensive line, and defend your position, otherwise what you said now will be written down and demanded of you, as these 11 adverbial points on the national power, on legislation, education and language, do not think, dear our government, that you are now there something slipped through, and then it will all be removed from your counter, nothing like that, then we will rake it all out, therefore, protect the national interest, there is no need

to break here... directly into closed doors, now concentrate the focus of attention on the end of the war and the entry into the nato. european union - this is a longer way, i claim, without joining nato, no joining the european union will be effective, it will only be on second -class terms, if we are a member of nato, then hungary and all others will talk to us in a completely different way. thank you, mr. valery, for the conversation, it was an extraordinary ambassador plenipotentiary. valery chaly of ukraine, we are continuing our broadcast, friends, and we are working live on the espresso tv channel, and it is time to fill in the interim, conclusions, or interim survey, the results of the interim survey, we are here we ask you about the following: do you consider ukrainian diplomacy to be effective, these are the results of our television survey, 17% yes, 83% no, on youtube we have a song...

ratio 28% of people consider ukrainian diplomacy to be effective, 72%, no, well that is, those who watch the stream on youtube believe that ukrainian diplomacy is still more effective, next we have news from the bbc on the air, in 15 minutes we will return to the studio, we will have a journalism club, my colleagues larisa voloshina and andriy yanitskyi will be in ether, let's talk. about course operation, about what what is happening there and what has happened over the past few days, let's sort through everything , talk about the distribution of power and how yermak explains his place in power and his role next to the president, that is, come, we will have many interesting topics, let's talk, chat, listen us, write your comments on youtube, see you in 15 minutes, stay on espresso.

the ukrainian offensive in the kul region is expanding, a column is broken near rilsk and strikes on the airfield in lipetsk, what is known about new ones. attacks of the ukrainian military in russia, we talk about it further in eugir bbc, live from london, i'm inna kosynska. the most significant ukrainian attack on russian territory since the beginning of the war. this is what western analysts are already saying about the situation in the kurdish region. today is the fourth day of the armed forces operation in kurshchyna. and this night, the defense forces of ukraine struck the military airfield in lipetsk, more than 300 km from the ukrainian border.