the armed forces of ukraine, in a place of peace, all houses, all cities, targets, the strategic object of gazprom in the city of sudja are controlled by the 99th mechanized battalion of the 61st separate steppe brigade. peaceful sky to all! glory to ukraine! mr. valery, let's talk about the reaction at the event from our western partners. apparently, the russians counted on the fact that, according to the traditional scheme, they would now begin to pump the western information space and talk about the bloody junta, which invaded the territory of the russian federation there. how, how you have observed this reaction, what can you say, what is the reaction of our western partners and whether this reaction is one of the steps before making a decision about. granting

the right of the ukrainian state to use western weapons on the territory of the russian federation, deep into the russian federation? well, to begin with, there are a few basic things: firstly, ukraine has the right to self-defense, according to article 51 of the un charter, and the very fact of russian aggression allows ukraine to respond by force, armed with defense, that is, it is possible on the territory of the aggressor or on the ground. on the water there in the air, to carry out operations, military operations, that is, the second weapon that is transferred to ukraine is ukrainian weapon. even what you call giving the right, no one gives anyone any right, these are gentlemen's agreements, in fact, so political, from a legal point of view, all weapons that are bought or transferred to ukraine are ukrainian, and they have the right to ask to apply it is not necessary,

the only thing that partners sometimes stipulate in the supply of weapons is these nuances in the political plan, they stipulate, no more moreover, ukraine is a member of all regimes of control, export control, regime of control of missile technologies, that is, therefore, from the point of view of international law, we should ask absolutely no one, but politically , we have such agreements, when we sometimes ... we receive weapons, as with the americans, for example, there is far, well, what do they call long-range, in fact it is a replacement for our tactical weapons, which here, well, no more than 300 km, 500, we already had and still have such weapons, that is, it is a lot to talk about long-range here it doesn't happen, but here they are there were agreements, therefore, ukraine has the full right to this defense and self-defense, in this context... basically all

comments were made, and regarding this right on the territory of the adversary, the aggressor, it is important here that russia is the aggressor, that is, it is important that ukraine cannot be called ukraine, if russian propagandists, such as antonov, were not getting out of their pants there, the ambassador to washington began to tell that the americans should not be covered... well, if you are an ambassador, if you are already a general under sanctions, but already if you dress in the dress of this ambassador, then at least he adheres to a certain one corrected, what's more, he called ukrainians thugs, despite the fact that there are criminal crimes committed by the russian armed forces, which have been confirmed, well, they simply cut off the heads of ukrainians from corpses, that is, i'm just this cynicism, it's already so extreme, and there already you won't understand where is the diplomat, where is the criminal, where is

the criminal, that is, they are all already smeared with one, well, it is emotional, regarding the essence, then no one will answer to him, except for what the washington official said, there will be no other way, this is all within the framework absolutely within the framework of the international rights, and the reason for all this was the aggression of russia, the reason for this was the occupation of russia, the only thing that is interesting in this whole situation, russia... when it entered the sumy region, with columns of tanks, they did not notice the interstate, ukrainian-russian borders, until suddenly they noticed that there is a state border, it turns out, that is, this is an interesting observation, that is, i think that it will have consequences, because they may notice that there is a border that goes from the donetsk region on the border with russia and with the same luhansk , such a time will come, such a time will come, therefore, in principle,

the international reaction is adequate, it is about this, this part, well, then there is a reaction about weakness. of the fascist regime in relation to putin's weakness, confusion, lies, uncoordinated assessments, that is , it is interesting that despite such conversations for months, and even more than six months, that everything is already going in one direction, all the layers in this are in one pocket, ukraine seems to be surrendering, ukraine is losing, russia will still win, let's push ukraine somehow. let him give up his territories, capitulate in exchange for peace, as they say, in fact, just to stop the further occupation, well, now this scheme is collapsing, it turns out that not everything is over yet, so this situation will have a lot of consequences,

including in relation to all these plans for peace without ukraine, and will even have consequences in... in ukrainian society itself, because in a total war, motivation is also important, although i would caution against some kind of euphoria, i see that there are such calls here, let's go to moscow, or the kursk nuclear plant is ours, i think that it's redundant, because that's more or less the case it is clear where the situation is going, the main thing is that it ends successfully, this defense operation is also... an anti-military operation and that further steps are as effective, not spectacular, as it was before, remember, that's where we plan to break through there, everyone was told there, here i like more than anything that it is being conducted in a very

correct style, few people know what is happening, and we are receiving and, god forbid , we are receiving some positive news, by the way, here is this regime of silence about... which you say what this special operation is carried out in such a good atmosphere, a secret atmosphere, when they do not announce a special operation in the kursk region for three or four months, so what about this silence, as it turned out and as the spokesman for the state department of the united states of america, matthew miller, says that even the united states of america did not receive warnings from ukraine about... russia, let's hear what matthew miller said. ukraine does not inform us about its exact tactics before its implementation. there is nothing unusual in this. this is the war they are waging. we give them the tools and we advise them, but when it comes

to day-to-day tactics, when it comes to day-to-day shots, sometimes we talk to them, sometimes we don't, and it's up to them to make their own decisions. well, the spokesman of the european commission peter stano, commenting on the events in the kursk region, said that ukraine, according to international law, has a legal right to defend itself, including striking the aggressor on its territory. how do you, mr. valery, evaluate the reaction of moscow, putin, gerasimov, everyone of all this power block that putin was gathering, how much is it for them? not an unusual special operation conducted against them, because all international agencies, all world media write about the fact that, starting or ending with the second world war , not a single foot of a soldier of a foreign country set foot on the territory of the russian federation, and this

foot of a foreign soldier became ukrainian , well , if it's a story, then it's not exactly accurate, because there's china there. the foot stepped in its time, but nevertheless, i think that everyone saw the anger, confusion and such a very sour face putin, because when he received the report of his, yes, irasimo, the commander, and everyone saw it, this is a facial expression that cannot be hidden somewhere, i think that gerasimov is probably all over, and it will be hanged only now most likely on him, all these failures, i think that we will see not immediately, but after some time there are changes, that someone has to

be responsible for this, and this is a very serious failure, which from putin's point of view hits him personally, well, that's the way it is, it completely hits the tsar, those same tsars are turning to protect him, well the tsar turned out to be not quite what they thought, although in fact the corruption here is huge, 15 billion rubles. they divided the line of defense into three lines, it turned out that these were scattered in the pockets, these are billions in the pockets of the generals and others, and actually the fear, you can see it, yes, it is visible on the face, the fear, because it is 500 km to moscow, the wagnerites are already there at that time they went, they went to rostov, they entered the city of a million people and simply occupied it, the same thing, the same story, the people really. there in these cities they also either ran, or even someone was waiting

ukrainians, so they perfectly understand what it is, that this is a different situation in the war, moreover, i will tell you, there was a very strange story before this, it is no secret that in such cases, when the russians learned about the plans of such operations of various , they immediately went anywhere... to call washington, they called washington to stop kyiv, don't give them weapons, but washington has leverage, of course, providing weapons, providing financial support, and this is what happened in the last month that the situation, and i claim, the situation has changed, it's not just the statements that you heard are isolated, the situation has radically changed, i don't want to... give details of why, let everyone analyze what happened over the last month, but in principle, we have

a window of opportunity to act more actively, more actively, i don't know how long it will be, but for today it is, therefore, everything that is not prohibited by international law, international humanitarian law, is now allowed, and from now on , of course, we would have to insist that our... . partners overestimated the situation and they saw that the effective actions of the ukrainians, if it is really confirmed, there is still no such official statement, these effective actions, they also need effective support with weapons, including long-range weapons, well, i said that they are not being talked about at all yet , i am talking about tamahawk missiles, as they are trying to place in germany for some reason. not in ukraine, but this is tomorrow, but today taurus, the german taurus missile, i have a question, if

the germans expect an american tamahawk, which is 200 km away, then what are the explanations in principle, in why the escalation, if the germans will give us taurus, that is, shorter distances, which will be more here in the tactical, operational-tactical theater of military operations, that is, it is logical, i generally see that there are ... fewer and fewer arguments why not to do it , recently the leader of the socialists, social democrats of germany said that look, not the leader, but one of them, said that ukraine is not very active, not very effective, so why continue to give weapons, well , please, give it, mr. valery , one more question in connection with what is happening on kurshchyni, this is the suja gas distribution station. er, back in soviet times, it worked and controlled the entry of natural gas, russian

gas into the territory of ukraine, which then exited there in uzhgorod, and there is also such a station there, and now the russian gazprom is speaking in connection with the events in kurshchyna about the fact that it continues to supply gas to europe through the suja station, but the transit flow through ukraine has decreased by 12%, well, that is, after all , these transit ... routes that existed before the great war, they continue to be used by the russian gazprom, but with on the other hand, we don't hear concerns from european consumers, because if there are hostilities near the gas distribution station and this way, and hostilities are taking place there, why aren't european consumers or leaders of european countries saying anything about it now. well , because they know the situation very well, if we talk about the first emotional reaction, then there

was a certain increase in prices, even such a small increase in gas on the market, but they perfectly understand, well, let me explain it to you like this, and you have heard at least once that the russians are there they bombed a gas pipeline, just a meter, well... more like strategic gas pipelines, or we, for example, blew it up, you heard that during the war, there was no such thing, so transit, well, you know, this is such a story, transit and.. . by transit, i personally, and not only me, and many experts from this energy sector believe that we need to finish this story, and i understand that the government has decided to stop all these transits by the end of the year, because we have the profit from the ball is a nose, that is, a nose, and the russians have 2 billion on this, that is why they finance

our army, and in our country, if you calculate what we will receive for this transit, it is generally a trifle, and those countries... get it, they would have had enough time, which is what brussels and the european commission tell them, offering alternative sources, why don't they want an alternative, slovakia, hungary, why don't they want an alternative? it's not that they closed it there and they are wintering and they are cold, nothing like that, they offer them, don't take it from russia, well, we say, well, our government invented such a story, and we will do it like this, let's buy it from the european union borders with... and it is no longer our gas, let it be sorted out, but it transits through us, we need to end all these games and barriers, just stop this story, pay the russians for all this, that is , i think that the time has come for this, regarding the capture of the point there, well i'll tell you, it's good news, but it's a kind of story,

because we have the same faucet on our side, which is called, well, i... i actually set what goes into one part and comes out on the other we have gas storage facilities in western ukraine or in the west of ukraine. mr. valery, on the eve of these course events , serhii shoigu complained that ukraine did not react in any way to the dictator's ultimate demands, meaning this capitulation plan announced by putin regarding the four oblasts, the withdrawal of the armed forces of ukraine, these four oblasts and... and regarding the conditions, as he says shoigu, the beginning of peace talks, which putin announced in mid- june, let's listen to what shoigu said. since then, almost two months have passed, there is no reaction. i'm not talking about all these geneva formulas of zelenskyi and others, since that's what i'm talking about

there is no sense, because negotiations without a chief negotiator are softness. does not seem very clear, i.e., this was shoigu's reaction to the future of the second peace summit, and yesterday andriy yermak in an interview with european pravda said that a representative of russia may participate in the second peace summit, who will be given a plan to implement the 10 points of the peace formula zelenskyi, let's listen to yarmak. as for the participation of the aggressor country, the president... whatever, the representatives of the team always say the same thing: the possible participation of a representative of russia at the second summit, which this plan can be transferred, such a possibility exists, this does not mean that the second summit should not be considered, that the second summit will be some kind of beginning of changes with russia,

no, this is not what the meeting is about. to which this plan can be transferred, it did not take place between ukraine and russia, it took place in the presence of all those responsible countries that are on this path with us, that supported our plan, and that are at the table. mr. valery, is it mandatory for the representative of russia to sit at the table of the second peace summit, given the position of shoigu and putin, or just him, them just send by e-mail. these 10 points of zelenskyi's formula, well, the first part, the ukrainian government and its leader andriy yermak have, well, president zelenskyi, they have, let's say, to act as they are now, they are responsible, personally, responsible for establishing peace,

and for the situation in the war and inside the country, that is why i... want to talk about their path, as far as that is concerned, they will go their way, and the only thing we have to do is still help the victory of ukraine, help a just peace and do everything so that we mistakes were avoided. in this sense, i will say that , it is clear that the first peace summit ended in nothing. from the point of view of the establishment of a ceasefire or the establishment of a long-term peace there, there were diplomatic successes, diplomatically bringing countries together, this is very good, but this is not about... not about zelenskyi's peace formula, let's say, there is the de-occupation of all territories, the border 91- th year, that is , it was not discussed there, and what is the second peace summit, from

the diplomatic point of view of holding such large events, i understand, it is also useful, but from the point of view, as you correctly said, the mechanism of work on ending the war there. or defending one's positions, it is very doubtful, because some kind of explanation must be given publicly, and on the other hand, they told me that there would be a formula, like a grain formula, that there, separately from turkey, was a mediator with the observation of the un, the un secretary general, that like two separate processes and we won't sit at the same table, i don't know, some two scenarios, i can... make a prediction, no, no, this scenario with a peace summit, with this handover, will not end in anything if even it will be invented, because

obviously russia does not want this, and it must be forced to peace, but from another point of view, i generally think that this is a very strange story, which is constantly heard in ukraine, will put russia at the same table, i i don't understand, but if at this table... where is putin, what will you do then? you have a decree that it is not possible to negotiate with putin, and he is actually a war criminal, that is, on the one hand, we are appealing to mexico to arrest him there, so that if he comes there, he will be arrested, and on the other hand we really ask russian representative, and which representative, which representative lavrov, on whom there is no place to start, who confirmed the bombing of the mariupol maternity hospital and the killing of our... people from a high platform, confirmed antonov, who calls us thugs, himself covers the thugs with real criminal cases, shayga, what

a criminal, who even now and hirasina, by the way, is also a criminal, look, as they answered, they hit civilians in kramotorsk, these are crimes from the point of view of humanitarian law, who, who will sit on the side russia at this table? and again, and russia recognized that ukraine not only has the right to sovereignty, territorial integrity, that ukraine is a full-fledged country, that it conducts negotiations as equals. putin admitted that ukraine can exist, but he also said that ukraine will not exist, we will destroy ukraine, it does not exist, there is no such country. excuse me, let's first let them say in moscow that ukraine is a sovereign country, they. they will apologize for all these slanders about nazism, they will admit all these, first they will publicly say who lied all this, and then about something

you can talk to them, and before that, what will it look like, well, the reality of politics, let’s take the reality of politics, there were such stories, although in our country the war is existential for survival, either ukraine will survive, or russia, there is no third way, there simply can be there are some pauses for a few years, so eh... i have a question, so serious and big in this sense, is there any understanding of the essence of war at all, and if we are really exhausted to such an extent and society will be exhausted, then i don’t at all i understand this insistence, let's go with russia let's agree on something, it can be different, it happened in history that there could be a cessation of hostilities for a while... and then some finding of some peace formulas or some geopolitical formulas, but no one recognized the occupation, no one in any way did not

recognize that it is possible to lift the sanctions, or , for example, that these people are now innocent of the murders of ukrainians, if someone from ukraine goes this way, forget what happened there, risk it, let's... well, this is not the way, therefore, i believe that what the current head of ukraine's foreign policy is declaring irmak, it's more like, well, these are the maneuvers that they know, why they do it, in general, i very much hope, our diplomatic lines that they want to lead, in the context of the next peace summit, are obviously necessary.' the african tour of the minister of foreign affairs dmytro kuleba, this means, mr. valery, that ukraine is starting a fight for the african continent, and

well, if... to compete with russia, then how can we compete with russia, considering that this week two countries to which have influence in moscow, these are mali and niger, announced the break of diplomatic relations with ukraine, but you asked questions to everyone who watches the broadcast about diplomacy, i just want to give a little information that diplomacy is not the entire foreign policy of the country. the president, the government, and the interparliamentary parliament participate in politics, and there are such initiatives, sports, as they say, yes, sports diplomacy, there is cultural, it is not diplomacy, diplomacy is a specific activity, professional of diplomats who conduct this activity in the public service, so that's what now minister kuleba went to africa, this is precisely diplomacy, that is, it was planned

in advance, this is the fourth trip. only this minister, and before that minister klimkin went, well, i am not saying that in principle it should have been done earlier and more intensively, but this is an ordinary trip to a planned group of countries, you see, it is purely regionally determined, three countries, where the minister of foreign affairs has not yet visited this region, he went there, some agreements were worked out there, it seems to some, well, to be honest... well, you can say during the war, when we sign a visa-free agreement with mauritius, it doesn’t look like a huge success, but for diplomacy it’s a normal thing, agreements are signed, those that don’t exist yet, that is, i would not exaggerate something here even if there were some consequences i didn't belittle this trip, well, to speak tactfully, i should have gone there to

levrov. that is, lavrov has already been there, he has already noticed all the places there, and here we are late with these trips, we need to work with africa, from voting in the un to specific opportunities for interaction, but to a greater extent with such countries, where dmytro kuleba visited now, there are mainly such things, there is some small interaction, plus vogon voting, but this does not mean that this activity should be ignored. moreover , i will tell you, i would still like to wait for the appointment of those announced ambassadors, here is the second part now, minister kuleba announced that they have recruited thousands of candidates through a unique competition that has not been seen in the history of ukraine , applied for ambassadors to africa, the question is going, already the second year is going, those ambassadors are going, there are already

allocated funds for work. the embassy already has employees, there are no ambassadors, that is, this surprises me, so the work must be carried out systematically, and some elements can be added to official diplomacy, well , this week, our organization, we made a visit from such large african countries and nigeria and south africa, well there are also kenya and gambia, were visited by journalists from leading publications. and cooperated very well here with us and the ministry of foreign affairs, mr. sup, who is a representative just for the close east africa participated, and i thank the heads of the parliamentary committees, klympushsensadze and merezhko, and the deputy ministers, that is , we work with africa, the work has become more active in recent years, but it should still be more systematic, friends. i remind you

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