well, i said that such a thing is not being talked about at all yet, i am talking about tamahawk missiles, as they are trying to deploy for some reason in germany, and not in ukraine, but that is tomorrow, and today taurus, the german taurus missile, i have a question, if the germans expect an american tamahawk, which is 200 km away, so what is the explanation in principle for the escalation, if the germans give us the taurus, i.e. less... distances that will be more here in the tactical, operational-tactical theater of military operations, i.e. the same logically, i generally see that there are fewer and fewer arguments as to why don't do that, recently the leader of the socialists, social democrats said in german that look, not the leader, but one of them, said that ukraine is not very active, not very effective, so why continue to give weapons, well , please, give them. mr. valery, one more

question in connection with what is happening in kurshchyna is the suja gas distribution station, back in soviet times it worked and controlled the entry of russian gas into the territory of ukraine, which then exited there in uzhgorod, and there is also such a station, and now, in connection with the events in kurshchyna, the russian gazprom is saying that it continues to submit. gas to europe through the suja station, but the transit flow through ukraine decreased by 12%, well, that is, after all , these transit routes that existed before the great war, they continue to be used by russian gazprom, but on the other hand, we do not hear concerns from european consumers , because well, if there are hostilities near the gas station and this path is there, hostilities are also taking place there. why european

consumers or leaders of european countries nothing are they not talking about it now? well, because they know the situation very well, if we talk about the first emotional reaction, then there was a certain price increase, even such a small increase in gas on the market, but they understand perfectly well, well, let me explain it to you like this, but you have heard at least... for the russians to bomb a gas pipeline there, just a meter, well more than a meter, these are strategic gas pipelines, or we, for example, blew it up, you heard about it during the war, there was no such thing, so transit, well, you know, it’s such a story, transit is by transit, i personally, not only i, and many experts from this energy sector believe that we need to complete. history, and i understand

that the government has decided to stop all these transits by the end of the year, because we have a profit there from gulka nos, that is, the nose, and the russians have 2 billion on this, that is why they finance their army, and we have , if you consider what we receive for this transit, it is generally a trifle, and those countries that receive it, they would have had enough time already, as brussels and the european commission tell them, offering alternative sources, for some reason they... don't want an alternative: slovakia, hungary, why don't they want an alternative? it's not like they've been closed over there and they're wintering and they're cold, nothing like that, they're being offered, take it, not from russia, well, we say, well, our government has invented such a story, and we'll do it like this, let's let the european union buy it on the border with russia, and it is no longer our gas, let them sort it out, but it transits through us, we need to end all these games and just... stop this story of paying

the russians for all of this, that is, i think it is time i came to this, about the capture of the point there, well, i’ll tell you, it’s good news, but well, it’s a kind of story, because there is the same crane on our side, which is called, well, i remembered actually, what is included in on one side and on the other , we also have gas storage facilities in western ukraine. or in the west of ukraine, mr. valery, on the eve of these kurdish events , serhii shaigu complained that ukraine did not respond to the dictator's ultimatum demands, does he mean this capitulation plan, which he voiced putin about the four regions, the withdrawal of the armed forces of ukraine from these four regions, and about the conditions, as shoigu says, for the start of peace talks, which putin announced in mid- june. let's hear what shaygu said. since

then, almost two months have passed, there is no reaction. i'm not talking about all of these. all zelenskyi's formulas and other things, since it makes no sense to talk about it, because the negotiations are without the main negotiator, it somehow does not look very clear. that is, it was shuigu's reaction to the future, the second peace summit, and yesterday, andriy yermak, in an interview with european pravda, said that a representative of russia may participate in the second peace summit, to whom a plan for the implementation of the 10 points of the formula will be handed over. we will listen to myra zelenskyi in yarmak. as for the participation of the aggressor country, the president , any team representatives, always say the same thing: the possible participation

of a representative of russia at the second summit, to whom this plan can be handed over, such a possibility exists, this does not mean that one should not treat a friend . summit, that the second summit will be some kind of beginning of changes with russia. no, that's not what we're talking about. the meeting at which this plan can be presented was not held between ukraine and russia, it was held in the presence of all those responsible countries that are on this path with us, that supported our plan, and that are at the table. mr. valery, is it necessary... for the representative of russia to sit at the table of the second peace summit, taking into account the position of shoigu and putin, or just to him, they just need to send these 10 points of zelensky's formula by e-mail? well, the first part, the ukrainian government and its leader

andriy yermak have, well, the president zelenskyi, they should, let's say, act the way they are now, they are responsible. personally responsible for the establishment of peace, and for the situation in the war and inside the country, that is why i do not want to talk about their path, as far as that is concerned, they will go their own way, and the only thing we have to do is still help victory of ukraine, to help a just peace and to do everything so that we avoid mistakes. in that sense, i'll... i'll say that uh, it's clear that the first peace summit came to nothing in terms of establishing, if a truce or the establishment of a long-term peace there, there were diplomatic successes,

the countries were diplomatically brought together, this is very good, but it is not about the zelensky peace formula, let's say, there is the de-occupation of all territories, the border of 1991, that is... there it was not discussed, and what is the second peace summit, from the diplomatic point of view of holding such large events, i understand, it is also useful, but from the point of view, as you rightly said, the mechanism of work on ending the war there or defending its positions, it is very doubtful, because, well, kind of such an explanation must be given publicly, on the other hand, they said that there would be a formula, like the grain formula, that there was a separate mediator with turkey, according to the observation of the un, the un secretary general, that there would be two separate processes and we would not sit at the same table, i don’t know,

some two scenarios, i can make a prediction, no, not this scenario is a peace summit, this handover will not end in anything, if even... it is invented, because obviously russia does not want this, and it needs to be forced to peace, but from another point of view, i generally think that this is a very strange story, which sounds constantly in ukraine will put russia at the same table, i don't understand, and if putin comes to this table, what will you do then, you have a decree that you can't negotiate with putin, well, actually it's a military one. that is, on the one hand, we are appealing to mexico to arrest him there, so that if he comes there, he will be arrested, and on the other hand, we are very much asking for a russian representative, and which representative, which representative of lavrov, on whom there is no place to put a seal, who confirmed

the bombing of the mariupol maternity hospital and the murder of our people was confirmed from a high platform by antonov, who calls us thugs, and himself... covers the thugs with real criminal cases . they are in kramotorsk. hit civilians, these are crimes from the point of view of humanitarian law, who, who will sit at this table on the russian side, and again, and russia recognized that ukraine not only has the right to sovereignty, territorial integrity, that ukraine a country with full rights, that it conducts negotiations on an equal footing, putin admitted that ukraine can exist, he also said, ukraine will not exist, we will destroy ukraine, it... there is no such country, sorry, let’s go first, let them say in moscow , that ukraine is a sovereign

country, they will forgive all these slanders about nazism, admit all these, first they will publicly say who lied all this, and then you can talk to them about something, and before that, what will it look like, well, real politicians, let's take the reality of politicians, there were such stories, even though we have a war existential for survival, either ukraine will survive, or russia, there is no third way, there may simply be pauses for several years. so, i have a question, so serious and big in this sense, is there an understanding of the essence of war at all, and if we are really exhausted to such an extent and society will be exhausted, then i do not understand this at all. insistence, let's agree on something with russia, it can be different,

it happened in history, that there can be a cessation of hostilities for a while and then some finding some peace formulas or some geopolitical formulas, but no one recognized the occupation, no one in any way recognized that sanctions can be lifted, or, for example, that these people are now innocent murders. ukrainians, if someone from ukraine goes this way, to forget what was there, to draw a line, let's see what the difference is, no, this is not the right way, so i believe that what the head of ukraine's foreign policy, irmak, is declaring now, then it is rather, well, such maneuvers are such, which, well , they know why they do it, c in general, i really hope that ours will somehow be victorious. the diplomatic lines that they want to lead, in the context of the next

peace summit, it is obvious that the african tour of the minister of foreign affairs dmytro kuleba should also be considered, this means, mr. valery, that ukraine is starting to fight for the african continent, and if it competes with russia, then what we can compete with russia, given the fact that this week two countries that have influence... in moscow, mali and niger, announced the severance of diplomatic relations with ukraine, you asked a question to everyone who watches the broadcast about diplomacy, i just want to give a little information that diplomacy is not the entire foreign policy of the country, the president, the government, and the interparliamentary parliament participate in foreign policy, and there is such initiatives are sports, as they say, sports diplomacy, there are cultural ones, this is not diplomacy, diplomacy is a specific activity, a professional

activity of diplomats who conduct this activity in the public service, so the fact that minister kuleba has now gone to africa, that is exactly what it is diplomacy, that is, it was planned in advance, this is the fourth trip of only this minister, and before that minister klimkin went, well , i'm not saying that, in principle , of course. it was done earlier and more intensively, but this is an ordinary trip to a planned group of countries, you see, it is purely regionally determined, there are three countries where the minister of foreign affairs has not yet visited this region, he went there and worked out some agreements there , it seems to some, well, to be honest, you can say during the war there that we have a visa-free agreement with we are signing in mauritius, it looks like this, not so much as a huge success, but for diplomacy this is a normal thing, agreements are signed, those

that do not exist yet, that is, i would not even exaggerate the consequences of this trip and minimize them, well if to speak tactically like that, then lavrov would have to go there, that is, lavrov has already been there, he has already noticed all the places there, and here we are late with these trips. it is necessary to work with africa, from voting in the un to concrete opportunities, cooperation, but to a greater extent with such countries, where i visited at the time of... once, there are mostly such things, there is some small interaction, plus vogon voting, but this does not mean that this activity should be ignored, moreover, i will tell you, i would - i still wanted to wait for the appointment of those announced ambassadors, here is the second part now, minister kuleba announced that they recruited through a unique competition

that had not yet been in the history of ukraine, they recruited candidates, thousands of people applied. for ambassadors to africa, the question goes, for the second year already goes, and where are the ambassadors, there are already allocated funds for the work of the embassies, there are already employees, there are no ambassadors, that is, this surprises me, so the work must be carried out systematically, well, some elements can be added to the official diplomacy, well, here we are this week our organization, we made a visit from... such large african countries, and nigeria, and south africa, well, there is also kenya and gambia, they made a visit of journalists, leading publications, and very well cooperated here with us and the ministry of foreign affairs, mr. sup, who is a representative of the near east africa, participated, and i thank the heads

of the committees, the parliament, the leaders of the network and deputy ministers, that is, we work with africa. work has become more active in recent years, but it should still be more systematic. friends, i remind you that we are working live and conducting a survey, today we are asking you whether you think ukrainian diplomacy is effective? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have your own opinion, a separate opinion, please write in the comments below this video if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers. 0800-21381, if you think that ukrainian diplomacy is effective, no, 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. well, we continue our conversation with politician and diplomat valery chaly. let's talk, mr. valery, about lukashenko, because lukashenko

made a statement at the meeting of the council of ministers. internal affairs affairs, states, members of the cis, he assumed the possibility of the collapse of russia, let's listen to what the belarusian dictator said about it. a permanent hybrid war is being waged against our peoples, and each of the cis countries has already experienced at least one color revolution, which is essentially an attempt at a coup d'état. the situation may develop in such a way that any of our states cannot do without... this unity, and if we do not understand this today, we will be dealt with individually, but if russia falls, we will all be drawn into this abyss. mr. valery, well , it seems that lukashenko should have stated that russia is already in the abyss and they, too, together with russia, but there is not a single word here about the events

unfolding in kursk, about the csto. about cooperation within the cis, aid to russia, why is lukashenko not talking about it now, i think that he will be in this abyss himself, he is trying to jump out now, i welcome these efforts, what he says is one story, that what he actually does is a little different, in this context there are more polish statements like that. radysk of sikorsky, i.e. lukashenko, are giving signals that he can still hold on to the edge of the abyss, if he behaves correctly, that as for others, the heads of state, what he is pulling them along with him, what he is signing for them, i think that they do not think so, they

have china, by the way, the same lukashenko also has china, he is considering now. as his suzerain, who will save him from putin, realistically, in this situation, because pay attention to the training of the chinese together with the belarusians recently, that is, this happened after putin, without informing shizenpin, went to north korea, so there is no everything is so simple, but he needs to say such things because he, you see in which composition and... at which meeting does he preside, well, i think that lukashenko still dreams of leading the union state with russia, well , it seems to me that he cannot sit so much on two chairs, he still has to choose, or his own personal security for the future and then some bridges with western countries and

distancing himself from putin, the war criminal, or he will then be in this abyss absolutely, and the fact that he wants to drag others down, well, i think they are smart, they will not act on it , but what happened at the kurshchyna is this means that the csto, as putin called it, is dead, that's right, because in principle, if russia had the support of this, this collective security organization, the collective security treaty, there would probably be some other actions, i understand that none of the countries that are part of the csto is in a position to help russia with anything now, well, the csto died earlier, this organization, and clearly in... such a cross was already laid when they did not help in the war with azerbaijan in iran, that is , in fact, they did not come to the defense of the csto member

armenia, it was obvious to everyone, that's all, they destroyed this position, everyone understands perfectly well, vdkb, so that you understand, these countries, except for russia, they are not because they expect help from russia. no, they are there because, now already, although it used to be on the southern border, islamic radicalism was threatened by some other things there, now they are there, fearing that their exit from there will have consequences from russia, so they are now there simply, to appease russia, and not to take part, especially in the war against ukraine, this is all unrealistic, sir. we we are now watching the unfolding of the presidential campaign in the united states of america, we see how kamala

harris's team is being formed, she has decided on a vice president and a candidate for the position of vice president, tim walls, and we see that in september we will obviously have such a tv '. a duel between trump and garis, on september 10 there will be a televised debate on abc news, but we are interested in the czech republic, of course, all these events in the context, in the ukrainian context, zelensky personally had a rather difficult relationship with trump, it was in 2019 , when zelenskyi spoke with trump phone and trump asked him to assist in the case against hunter biden in the case of burism. this week, the publication appeared in

the half where simon shuster talks about the eve of the great war, that is, the munich conference of 2022, and not easy dialogues or difficult disputes that were between president zelensky and the vice president. states of kamalo and garis, as a person who knows very well how the american political machine works, how do you assess the mutual misunderstandings that existed between zelenskyi, trump, zelenskyi and garis, how does this affect the bilateral relations of the two countries? i am very concerned that we are still in a different paradigm of evaluating elections. and i'm trying to change it on more than one show and so far i can't, the fact is that it's not so important for ukraine who will win in this situation, it's more

important for ukraine what will happen from the point of view of the supply of weapons and financial assistance from of the united states and until the end of the year and next. in this sense, there will be turbulence in the states, and you know we don't have a tool. we have no conversation, no funding projects, we all talked about this package last year, now no one raises the question, but where is the package in the summer, it is already on october 1, the budget year in the usa, we have no funding, we have no in the budget, the sums are sufficient for next year, we don't even need 60 there or 40, as nato promised, and russia next year allocates 100 billion dollars for the war for only... the armed forces, that is, lend-lease, there is no law, lendlease ended that law, nothing new has been adopted, no one raises this issue, so i am very worried that our focus

in... attention is not only journalistic, journalistic is understandable, because it is interesting to discuss, we now have all specialists in football, the olympics and politicians of the united states, moreover, everyone is discussing technology, but no one has named who will be the candidate for vice president from kamala harris, no one has named, but everyone is still a specialist, they are still discussing, well, that’s why it’s like this, you know, a fan will talk about another country, we don't have our own elections presidential sometimes we are bored, then we want to talk about other things, and there are other problems, there is how to pass this november 5, because a large part of trump voters do not want to vote for power in any way, they want to get it, and with on the other hand, on the left side, on the side of kamal haris , voices are raised more in the other direction, so the turbulence will be sky-high

and... the shutdown can already be said to be 90% cheap, and the shutdown, i will remind you, when these budgetary organizations did not work and part of the military did not work, then we also have a decrease in the pace of arms supply, that is , our risks are related, among other things, to what will be the configuration of power in the usa, if it will be , there are actually four options, and it can be a republican, the president, the senate can be he... then he appoints people loyal to him and there are no balance towers, and the senate may be for the democrats, and then there will be other people, compromising figures will appear, it may be the other way around that the lower house will be for another party, or, or everything is concentrated in the hands one, the democrat president is all he has, and the same is the republican, that is, these are four different scenarios, and american sponsors are more worried right now. not

a presidential campaign, sponsored mainly by districts, districts now, well , congressional elections, because the distribution of forces will depend on this, and joseph biden left because of this, he was pushed out, because of this, that is, and by the way , by the way, there may still be surprises, regarding the fact that, after all , you asked, i answer, personal moments that were before... arise, they influence, but i maintain that they are not decisive, interests are decisive in the first place, and in the united states it is bright, now diplomacy of interest, and i can confirm it, there can be smiles, there can be some friendly relations, but as long as your interests national coincide, if

the national interest of the united states diverges from... with the ukrainian strategic national interest, then no good relations will help you, so we need to look at developing institutional cooperation, indeed, with the democrats, with the republicans, and personally with different groups, by the way, there is no such unified team, as it is not surprising when the president and vice president, they have their own groups, around them and foreign policy, there will still be many issues with... now there is a serious competition and the friction that takes place is a normal process, but globally, i once again state and want to be heard, heard by everyone, that it is not so important who will win the white house, you can work with this and that candidate, as important , so that we do not stop the amount of aid from the us, weapons, financial and political

support. well, andrii yermak, whom i already mentioned, the head of the office of the president of ukraine in an interview with european pravda, said that on the eve of the elections in the united states of america, ukraine is working with the democratic republican party to inform about events in ukraine. let's listen to what yarmak said. we greatly appreciate, first of all, the support of the entire american people and the bipartisan support that we have. is in the congress, and certainly today we are working with the environment, with people from the staff and candidate donald trump even before the nomination, but already the candidate from the democratic party of vice president kamala harris. it is very important for us that both headquarters, both candidates, people around clearly understand, first of all, even, i would say so,

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