refused, a long time ago, that is, he said that he will not participate in such a debate, and the debate that was held between trump and biden, which is also proposed by the abc channel for september 10, now it will be, it may be a debate between trump and karis , and this is a debate in a different format, that is, this is a debate without an audience in the room, with only moderators, hosts and debaters, and whether they will be, i'm not sure until ... that they will be, because trump just a week ago said, that he would not participate in any debate with harris, except for the debates possible on the channel fox with audience participation, on thursday he said the diametric opposite of something he will participate in the sept. 10 debate hosted by abc. to be honest, i don't expect anything special, because the debate itself, well, it's such a television product. which tv journalists

understand well why such a television product is popular among viewers, but for voters, well , voters already know their candidates, and it is unlikely that a large number of voters, thanks to the debates, can change their point of view about the candidates and decide to vote for the wrong one the candidate they were going to vote for, i think kamala harris has every chance of, well , beating donald trump in the debate, because you know, it's going to be a... debate, as kamalala harris herself suggests, a professional prosecutor, with a criminal who, who was found guilty, not so long ago, of 34 felony counts by a jury, but i don't think that's going to have any significant effect on voter sentiment, certainly the trump -biden debate on june 27th, well...they really had

a big impact because joe biden these debates failed, and in the end it led to the fact that he withdrew from the distance, but in the debate between caris and trump, if there is one, well, this will not happen, that is, well, trump will be trump, he will behave as he always does behaves like aris, if she prepares well for the debate, she will beat him, but let's say. ronald reagan sure lost the debate in 84 walter mondale but won the election i mean the debate does n't decide the winner of the election after all the vote decides the winner i wonder you in fact , tv viewers and voters noticed and even a little demarcated, as if it is absolutely... into two different categories that

do not intersect with each other, for me it is interesting from the point of view that in 2019 we actually watched the elections here in ukraine, in which television and the actual television activity of our current president played a certain role, and i am not sure that if it were not for this plane, then you could count on some high, high points there, but this is such a small remark. i'm sorry, i'm sorry if i can, i don't want you to interrupt, but i just want to add that the same thing is happening in the united states, look, only on thursday two events were happening at the same time: kamela harris was speaking at a meeting about the auto manufacturers' unions in detroit, and at the same time donald trump was holding a press conference, and all the tv channels were broadcasting live , what do you think trump's press conference, why? well, because they definitely... it allowed them to increase their rating,

because a lot of people, they, they willingly watch trump, even those who don't like him, want to watch, well, because they want to something like that is unusual to see, and this, in my opinion, is a problem, a big problem, because that's how people watch tv, a lot of people watch tv, but there should be responsibility of journalists for the product that they publish, and at least when they pass the election is still a tv channel. we have to make sure that there is no advantage of one of the candidates on the television airwaves, even if it brings ratings to the tv channels, i think that this is wrong, because it is necessary for the tv channels to position themselves as much as possible more neutral towards candidates for electoral positions. and finally, briefly, the united states and the situation in the middle east, the possibility of an answer. iran, in fact,

for the events that took place last week, in particular in tehran, can we say that the united states... is waiting and actually knows, traditionally knows what to do in this situation, in a situation of escalation? the united states, i think, is also in anticipation, and they are preparing for, perhaps, responses to the wound, but they are very active on the diplomatic front to prevent a major war, to prevent a possible iranian response, a possible iranian attack on israel, because the middle east is such a... there will be such a conflagration from this that it just, it just could, could turn into world war iii, so of course the united states is absolutely in this not interested at all. and yes, the commander of us central command, he, let's say, he was in

israel, he discussed with the israeli chief of general staff, the minister of defense, joint actions in the event of an iranian attack, but at the same time, the united states is doing a lot of diplomatic... efforts they are making the united states does not have diplomatic relations with iran, but through intermediaries, through countries that have relations with iran, the united states is trying to do everything possible to prevent the flames of a very large war from igniting there, which could absolutely have unpredictable consequences. mr. igor, thank you for joining the saturday political club, igor eisenberg, professor. from a university in the united states on the espresso tv channel and continuing the topic of developments in the middle east and iran's possible response israel on the events that took place in

tehran, actually in the context of the inauguration of the new president, so far there is information, in particular from the telegraph, which refers to the unnamed assistants of the iranian president. the current president of iran, masoud pezeshkian, offers less radical options in contrast to the islamic revolution guards corps, that is, there are certain differences in the events that will develop in the near future, if they will, of course, develop. queer is traditionally for more drastic actions, but the president has more restrained look about this and not only, we will talk now with vadym polishchuk, a historian. a political observer from israel, we congratulate you, mr. vadim, glory to ukraine, glory to the good, yes, actually, to me, in what form, the situation is now, directly, in israel, when we talk

about on the one hand, hamas, in a certain way decapitated, and on the other hand, we already understand that there are new contenders for leadership of both a military nature and a political nature. on the other side of hezbollah and the side of lebanon, all this in in the context of the threat from iran. i ask you to speak. well, the country, israel is now waiting to see what iran and its proxy hizballah will do in this situation, or events, such as persuasion from the united states, to reduce the intensity, maybe answers. and in the same way , i think that the idea of ​​persuading israel to reduce the intensity of the response to iran's response, because here, you know, the flywheel of responses can be spun, which, from the point of view of the united states, can lead to

a major escalation, which is now the united states states don't need to. from the point of view of hamas, there is already a leader there, that is, the hamasites have decided, but... in the direction of their movement, because the election of sinvar as the head of the political wing that has united, that is, there used to be a political wing, there was a military wing, now all this happened in one person, and in fact it radicalized the situation, because sinlar is a person who is more drastic, more risky, more inclined to... some adventures and to hope that this will lead to a decrease in tension, to the very agreement, which the united states wants to achieve by hostages, and through this agreement actually stop the gas conflict and freeze

the situation, israel does not agree to such a development, even if it goes to an agreement, but only on the conditions of a possible extension. in the gas of eliminating hamas as a structure, because only this can prevent a repetition of what happened on october 7, on the part of hizballah, israel for... understands that the existence of hizbollah in general threatens israel because of the fact that we see that it was not in the middle of the night that such a the security lane actually created by his bala, several large enough settlements have been evacuated, a large number of israelis are now in temporary places there in families and hotels, and it is not... any conditions,

no hope that these conditions will be in place for a long time, and thus these people will be able to return and feel themselves it is safe, no, so in fact now israel is interested in some kind of radical solution to the situation, and there are already talks about this among experts and i think that among... the political leadership, and if our army actually did not act so politically the side that was not radical, but more, let's say, prone to compromises, i think, would have already started to solve it in a more radical way. and when we talk about a more radical current and version of the development of events, what is meant here, decipher, please, what would it look like? well, it would look like full headquarters military operations. lebanon and creation, well, not even to the litani river, because the litani river is there, er, there are 26 to 15 km, it is

not enough for security, er, there would be more likely to come to beirut, as it was in the first lebanon war, and the elimination of hizballah, as well as the military structure, that weaponry that was brought there by iran in large quantities at that time, that's all their caches there, that's where... they dug there and so on, and so on just now there was a window of opportunity to eliminate the iranian threat, including the iranian nuclear program, which managed to develop thanks to the policies of the democrats obama and biden for some kind of flirting with iran, and the impression is that they consider iran to be some kind of party that could would well... regulate some relations in the middle east, although in fact they actually radicalize and

lead to such a flare-up of some conflicts, and this, in my opinion, is precisely the wrong position of the united states, just as it behaved with russia, this constant obama reboot and biden appeasement of the aggressor, to prevent escalation, that is, they are escalating, as russia and iran want, and... their countries, which oppose them, must constantly restrain themselves, and thus it inflames the situation even more. mr. vadim, as we understand, iran is looking for support, or at least is currently enlisting the support of its allies, and the same applies here to russia, because, frankly, why would the visits of quite high-ranking, but already ex'. russian military officials to iran, for example, and putin in general, let's recall, called on iran

to limit its revenge against israel, as reported by reuters. will russia openly support iran in any actions of this country in relation to israel in the near future, or will it still be cautious? well, i'm not i know how it can support even more, well, unless these military personnel, who are now ... russian in syria, they will take part in the conflict on the side of iran. this is the only possible participation of russia, even greater than now. that is, they support them, in all, let's say, international organizations, they support them militarily, just as iran supports russia, they are military allies, and if someone in israel still doubts this, then i don't know what else to do russia, well , what is there to hit with its planes from syria, well... it's good that they

are weak compared to the israeli military and air force, that is, israel would have repelled this attack, and they understand it well, but they help in whatever way they can, they teach the iranians, the iranians teach the russians, that is, there is love in measure, as they say, well, there is anecdotal information of varying degrees of confirmation, but still there is information in the world media that... russia is supplying iran, possibly s-400, iran , for its part, is even insisting on receiving su-35 flanker fighters, yes, yes, those are the ones the su-35 itself, like the new wines, that. or the russian federation, with which it is purely theoretical, but the f-16 can meet in some sort of aerial battle there. well, that's another question: can russia supply iran with weapons? this means that there are fewer weapons in the hands of the russian federation to attack ukraine, but in any case, as we understand it, it should not

be too profitable for russia to escalate from iran right now, right? well, basically, it is. let's see, first of all, if there is an escalation around iran, it will once again distract attention from russia's war with ukraine, and this is, in principle, for good for putin. on the other hand, thanks to this, oil prices, which have recently started to decrease, can jump, and this is also beneficial for russia. therefore, why is it not profitable, profitable, any escalation in the middle east, it is normal for them. and if it's taiwansk over there... they will get involved with china, this is even more normal for russia, so it will do anything for escalation, they can say anything, there, well, for them to lie - you know, this is a normal phenomenon, yes the same as for iran, but you have to look, you even see, they are about this situation for them with the houthis actually turned out to be quite

disadvantageous, including economically, due to the fact that they are forced now because of the fact that the houthis. they shoot at any ships that go through the gulf of aden, through the red sea, then russian, ships with russian cargo now go around africa, but still this escalation around the near east, they still support it, and still no one in iran neither china nor russia says that let 's tame it somehow, that's just them, the only thing that was able to tame them was a blow to the skinny, which is a little bit of their capabilities. and none persuasions on act. ugh. well, a few words very briefly, mr. vadim, in what state are the relations within israel between the government and the people in view of the rather successful operations to eliminate high-ranking terrorists. what is netanyahu's understanding with

the israelis? well, israeli society, it still is. for several years it is actually divided, and this division is precisely, well, the political forces that are in opposition to netanyahu, they personalized, that is, they took it from the ideological plane into a personal one, that is , they actually attacked him without touching him some such, well, specific problems, and now it continues, these are these people who are now constantly holding demonstrations. retired, now they have taken up the topic of hostages there and with the support of certain, certain forces they support, including in law enforcement agencies, the judicial system, they continue to act in that direction, and from the point of view of the people, well, according to the latest polls after because

of this radicalization of israel's position, the rating of netanyahu's liput party increased, huh. and she again became the first in the number of votes, which she can get in the knesset. in general , the coalition is recruiting a little less than the opposition forces, but likut in particular has risen a little, and it will be when these left , this cabinet has been expanded, which included the former opposition members of hansa azinkot, this israel pursues a more moderate policy, they, they left, israel's politics became radicalized, such... more evil, let's say, attacks on these various leaders began, and in general, israel began to achieve certain successes and its rating increased. let's see what will happen next in this direction. thank you for this constructive inclusion. vadym polishchuk, a historian, political commentator from israel, joined the saturday political club, and

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analytics from the major of the armed forces. how to make sense of disturbing news and distinguish truth from hostile propaganda. the real front program with taras berezovets every saturday at 21:30 on espresso. this is the saturday political club on espresso, my name is khrystyna yatskiv and i am happy to welcome vitaly portnikov to the studio, mr. vitaly, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, congratulations, kurshchyna, and from this morning, possibly also belgorodshchyna, but there we are tracking with with all caution, in fact with caution, we monitor the kursk region as well, why, because we do not have any official information, specific data that would be exposed to... they are not, well, to trust russian accounts is to disrespect oneself, in principle, on the other hand side, restlessly, and

several, already several actually populated areas of the russian federation are under the control of the armed forces of ukraine, we saw this video, we saw that absolutely specific brigades are called, nevertheless, now we are in a situation where for the first time with century, the russian federation received military action directly on its territory, and this is happening 16 years after it did simply shameful things in georgia in 2008, and in your opinion, in the historical perspective, what we see now and until what will this lead to? you know that the most amazing khrystyna, from the russian point of view federation. military operations on its territory have been taking place for two years in a row, because the russian federation considers the donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhia regions of ukraine to be the same russian regions

as the kursk or belgorod regions, and therefore from the point of view of the russian leadership , nothing new is happening. they cannot say: "here's what you did, you crossed the borders of the russian federation, and we already crossed these borders long ago from their point of view, ukrainian troops are located on the territory of donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, which the russians consider their own, and the main demand for vladimir putin is that these troops leave the territories occupied by them, otherwise there will be no negotiations and no peace at all. therefore, the russians cannot say: you know what happened, the ukrainians crossed the border and entered the territory of the russian federation for the first time since the second world war, as we say and as the west says. because from the russian point of view we have been there for a long time, we are constantly fighting on russian territory federation since the 22nd year, and this is also a certain

trap for the russian leaders themselves, because they cannot gather the un security council and say: you know what happened, the war is going on in our territory, and before, on which it was going, you well, you say that it has already entered your territories before, why are you so excited, uh , suddenly, but seriously... if you remove this moment of the state border, it in any case speaks of the inefficiency of the russian state itself and its one way or another, and the fact that the ukrainian army crossed the state border of russia, there russia already recognizes that there is a state border between the sumy region and the kurdistan region, let's say, it officially recognizes it, and here are the troops. some country crossed the state border, occupied several settlements, it turned out that this state border with the country with which you

have been waging a big war for 2.5 years, and you have been in a state of confrontation with it for 10 years, is not fortified at all, your the power structures cannot fight back, you cannot organize an evacuation, you cannot organize the protection of the residents of kursk from possible... shelling of this city, because there is no effective anti-aircraft defense system and a system of bomb shelters, and this is all 2.5 years after the beginning of the great war, that is, by and large, this is an invasion, it has a powerful informational effect, because it is in once again demonstrates the cardboardness of the russian state itself, of course, russia can gather troops, can cross a foreign border, can... storm the populated areas of another country, we know this from georgia and ukraine, achieve success, so that a large part of the territory of georgia, ukraine is under russian control, but

at the same time, when... russia itself is attacked, it does not know what to do with this attack, and by the way, this is not the first time, so i want to remind you that when the soviet union attacked finland, latvia, lithuania, and estonia at the end of the 1930s, everything was fine with these attacks, but not so fine with finland, but in any case a large part of the territory of finland , including the city of viipuri, as it is now called, became part of the soviet union. and when hitler's germany attacked the soviet union, nobody there was ready for anything, it's very similar, by the way, and they invent a word treacherous again, it's their favorite word, treacherous, the question arises, what the hell do you believe, why you believed hitler when you were in serious confrontation with him for many years, and this act of non-aggression meant precisely that

germany could, in principle, attack you. so you agree with her not to attack, well, if you agree with someone not to attack, you have somehow think about a possible attack, somehow carry out some measures, but this is not a story for stalin, why do you believe that the ukrainians cannot cross some part of the border if you are at war with them, why do you believe what you believe, in their weakness , in their decency, in their fear, what do you believe, that they broke your faith again, that where are you from the russian people? such a belief that he himself can attack everyone, no one can attack him, this is also very strange, mr. vitaly, or maybe they believe in international law and universally recognized borders, which they usually they wipe their feet, but they understand that the world cannot ignore the rules it established after the second, borders, in these borders, which the russian federation considers a border, yes, it is considered a border, and it also considers donetsk, luhansk,

kherson, zaporizhzhia regions. there she has too, she believes that she can cross borders, she can do anything. the russian federation broke international law, well, great, not for the first time, by the way, you know when in 1918, i apologize for such a long digression, but this is an interesting point: the russian federation, germany and ukraine agreed on peace, then it was decided where the borders of the russian federation are . the borders of independent ukraine, recognized as a ukrainian state by the bolsheviks, and between these two borders there was a neutral zone, quite a large neutral zone that no one claimed, which, by the way, included the city of suja, so what the bolsheviks do soon, they decide in kursk that there will be a temporary worker-peasant government of ukraine. but such

a government can no longer exist in kurdistan, because this is a russian city, the center of the province, if there is a temporary worker-peasant government of ukraine in pursk, then the question arises, what, why is it ukrainian? and then the bolsheviks decide to let the government officials, the bolsheviks, go to suja. so suja became the first capital of soviet ukraine. everyone says that kharkiv is the first capital. suja the first capital. and they immediately announce that this court. now part of the ukrainian socialist soviet republic and seat of the first soviet government of ukraine. then, when the court is occupied, it seems to me that the white guards troops, it was decided that the provisional government would move to belgorod, then also the territory of the ukrainian socialist soviet republic, and then to kharkiv. and when in 2020 they decided

to create the soviet union, the russian bolsheviks said to the ukrainian bolsheviks: listen, and judge, we just borrowed so that you could have a government there, but now that you are still part of the soviet union, why do you need this territory , let it be the territory of russia, and so the suja, which for several years was part of the soviet union ukraine, and before that the neutral zone between russia and ukraine, becomes part of soviet russia. now the question arises, why... it is possible to do the opposite again, why it is not possible to make a neutral zone again, as in 1918, if it already existed, these are very conditional things, you understand, agreements between states, on which international law is based, on agreements between the states, that is, the borders of the soviet union, they were carried out absolutely conditionally, simply by the pencil of the people's commissar for nationalities affairs of soviet russia.