by russian gazprom, but on the other hand, we do not hear concerns from european consumers, because well, if there are hostilities near the gas distribution station and this road and hostilities are taking place there, why are european consumers or the leaders of european countries not saying anything about it now, well because they know the situation very well, if we talk about... the first emotional reaction, then there was a certain price increase for gas on the market, but they understand very well, well, let me explain it to you like this, and you have heard at least once, let the russians be there bombed a gas pipeline, just a meter, well, more - these are strategic gas pipelines, or we, for example, blew it up, did you hear? after all

, this did not happen during the war, so transit, well , you know, it’s such a story, transit is transit, i personally, well, not only me, and many experts from this energy sector believe that we need to complete this story, and i do i understand that the government has decided to stop all these transits by the end of the year, because we have a profit there from gulka nos, that is, a nose, and the russians have 2 billion per to this, then... and they finance their army, and in our country, if you calculate what we will receive for this transit, it is generally a trifle, and those countries that receive it, they would have had enough time already, as brussels tells them , the european commission, offering alternative sources, for some reason they don't want an alternative, slovakia, hungary, why don't they want an alternative, it's not that they closed it there and they winter and are cold, nothing like that, they offer them, take it not from russia, well and we say, well, our government. invented such

a story, and we will do so, let's give it the european union buys at the border with russia, and it is no longer our gas, let it be sorted out, but it transits through us, we need to end all these games and barriers, just stop this story , pay the russians for all this, that is, i think the time has come for this , about the capture of the point there, well, i'll tell you, it's good news, but well, it's... it's a kind of story, because there is the same crane on our side, which is called. well, yes, i asked, in fact, what enters in one part and leaves in the other, and we have gas storages on western ukraine, or in the west of ukraine. mr. valery, on the eve of these kurdish events , serhii shaigu complained that ukraine did not respond to the dictator's ultimatum demands, meaning this capitulation plan. which putin announced regarding

the four regions, the withdrawal of the armed forces of ukraine from these four regions, and the conditions, as shoigu says, for the start of peace talks, which putin announced in mid-june. let's hear what shaygu said. almost two months have passed since then. there is no reaction. i am not talking about all these geneva formulas of zelensky and other since it makes no sense to talk about it, because the negotiations are without a chief negotiator, it somehow does not look very clear, that is, this is the reaction of the shoigu to the future of the second peace summit, and yesterday andriy yermak in an interview with european pravda said that in the second peace summit a representative of russia may participate, who will be given a plan for the implementation of the 10 points of zelenskyi's peace formula, let's hear more. as for

the participation of the aggressor country, the president, whatever , the representatives of the team always say the same thing: the possible participation of the representative of russia at the second summit, to which this plan can be handed over, such a possibility exists, this does not mean, one should not treat the second summit, that the second summit will be... some kind of beginning of changes with russia, no, that is not what we are talking about, the meeting, on which this plan can be transferred, it did not take place in ukraine-russia, it took place in the presence of all those responsible countries that go with us on this path, that supported our plan, and that are at the table, mr. valery, or necessarily the representative of russia sit down at the table friend. after the peace summit, considering the position

shayga and putin, or just him, they just need to send these 10 points of zelenskyi’s formula by e-mail, well, the first part, the ukrainian government and its leader andriy yermak should, well, president zelenskyi, they should, let’s say, act as they are now, they are responsible, personally, responsible for the establishment of peace, well, for the situation in the war and inside the country, that is, that is why i do not want to talk about their path, as far as that is concerned, they will go their own way and... and the only thing we have to do is still help the victory of ukraine, to help a just peace and to do everything so that we avoid mistakes. in this sense, i will say that, it is clear that the first peace summit

ended in nothing from the point of view of the establishment, if a truce or the establishment there. peace, there were diplomatic successes, diplomatically gathered the countries, it is very good, but it is not about zelenskyi’s peace formula, let’s say, there is the de-occupation of all territories, the border of 1991, that is , it was not discussed there, and what is the second summit of peace, from the diplomatic point of view of holding such big events, i understand, it also happens useful, but from the point of view, since you correctly... told the mechanism of work on ending the war there or defending one's positions, it is very doubtful, because, well, some kind of explanation must be given publicly, on the other hand, they said that there would be a formula, like

according to the grain formula, that there separately with turkey was a mediator according to the observation of the un, the un secretary general, that type separately 2%. and we will not sit at the same table, i don’t know, there are two scenarios, i can make a prediction, not this scenario with the peace summit, with this handover, will not end in anything, if even its such will come up with, because, well, obviously russia does not want this, and it must be forced to peace, but from another point of view, i generally think that this is a very strange story, which... sounds constantly in ukraine, will put russia at the same table, i i do not understand, but if putin comes to this table, what will you do then, you have a decree that it is not possible to negotiate with putin, well, actually he is a war criminal, that is, on the one hand, we turn to mexico so that he

they arrested him there, so that if he comes there, he will be arrested, and on the other hand, we are asking very much russian representative, and which representative, which representative of lavrov? on which there is no place to put a seal, who confirmed the bombing of the mariupol maternity hospital and the killing of our people, from a high platform confirmed antonov, who calls us thugs, who himself covers the real thugs in criminal cases, shayga, what a criminal, who is also now gerasin, to things, he's also a criminal, look, they answered, they hit civilians in kramatorsk, he's a criminal. from the point of view of humanitarian law, who, who will sit on the side of russia at this table, and again, and russia recognized that ukraine not only has the right to sovereignty, territorial integrity, that ukraine is a full-fledged country, that it

is negotiating on an equal footing, putin recognized that ukraine can exist, he also said, there will be no ukraine, we will destroy ukraine, it does not exist, there is no such country. excuse me, let's first let them say in moscow that ukraine is a sovereign country, they will apologize for all these slanders about nazism, admit all these, first they will publicly say who lied all this, and then about something you can talk to them, and before that, what will it look like, well, the reality of politics, let's take the reality of politics, there were such stories, although in our country the war is existential for survival, or ukraine is surviving. or russia, there is no third way here, there may simply be pauses for a few years, so i have a question, so serious and big in this sense, is there any understanding of the essence of the war at all, and if we

are really exhausted to such an extent and society will be exhausted, then i do not understand this insistence at all, let's go with russia let's agree about something, it can be different, it happened in history that there can be a suspension of military operations for a while and then some finding of some formulas. of peace or some geopolitical formulas, but no one recognized the occupation, no one in any way recognized that the sanctions could be lifted, or, for example, that these people are now innocent of the murders of ukrainians, if someone from ukraine were to go this way, forget that there was, draw a line, let's see what the difference is, no, well, this is not the right way, so i believe that what for... is the head of foreign policy now irmak of ukraine, it is rather, well, these

are the maneuvers that they know, why they are doing it, in general, i really hope, our some kind of winning diplomatic line, which they want to lead, in the context of the next peace summit, obviously it is necessary to consider and the african tour of the minister of foreign affairs , dmytro kuleba, this... means, mr. valery, that ukraine is starting to fight for the african continent, and well, if we compete with russia, how can we compete with russia, given that this week immediately two the countries that have influence in moscow, these are mali and niger, announced the severance of diplomatic relations with ukraine, so you asked a question to everyone who watches the broadcast about diplomacy, i just want yes... such a small reference that diplomacy - this is not the entire foreign policy

of the country, the president, the government, and the interparliamentary parliament participate in foreign policy, and there are such initiatives , sports, as they say, sports diplomacy, there is cultural diplomacy, it is not diplomacy, diplomacy is a specific activity, a professional activity of diplomats , which are on the state services are conducting this activity, that's why minister kulebava left now. africa is precisely diplomacy, that is, it was planned in advance, this is the fourth trip of only this minister, and before that minister klimkin went, well , i am not saying that in principle it is necessary, of course it was done earlier and more intensively, but it is usual the trip to the planned group of countries, you see, it is purely regionally determined, there are three countries where the minister has not yet visited in this region for... affairs, he went there, some agreements were worked out there, it seems to some, well, honestly

saying, well, you can say during the war there that we are signing a visa-free agreement with mauritius, it looks like this, not very much like a huge success, but for diplomacy it is a normal thing, agreements are signed, those that do not exist yet, that is, i would not be here either without exaggerating something, some consequences. he didn't downplay the trip, well , to put it tactically, then lavrov would have to go there, that is, lavrov had already been there, he had already noticed all the places there, and here we are late with these trips, we need to work with africa, this is from voting in the un to specific possibilities of interaction, but to a greater extent with such countries, where dmetro kuleba visited now, there are mainly such. is there some small interaction plus voon voon, but this does not mean that this activity should be ignored,

moreover, i will tell you, i would still like to wait for the appointment of those announced ambassadors, here is the second part, now, minister kuleba announced that they recruited according to a unique competition that had never been in the history of ukraine, they recruited thousands of candidates people, asked the ambassadors to africa, questions. it is going on, the second year is already going on, and where are the ambassadors, there are already funds allocated for the work of the embassy, ​​there are already employees, there are no words, that is, it surprises me, that is why the work must be carried out systematically, well, some elements can be added to official diplomacy, well , this week we are our organization, we made a visit from such big african countries and nigeria. and south africa, well, there is also kenya and gambia, made a visit of journalists,

leading publications, and cooperated very well here with ours and the ministry of foreign affairs, mr. suph, who is a representative of the african campaign , participated, and i thank the head of the parliamentary committees, klynpussensatsa merezhko, and the deputy ministers, that is , we work with africa, the work began more actively. recent years, but it should still be more systematic. friends, i remind you that we are working live and conducting a survey, today we are asking you about ... do you think ukrainian diplomacy is effective? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have your own opinion, separate opinion, please write in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers 0800-211-381, if you think that ukrainian diplomacy is effective, no 0800 211-382, all

calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will summarize it. voting, and we continue our conversation with politician and diplomat valery chaly. let's talk, mr. valery, about lukashenko, because lukashenko made a statement at the meeting of the council of ministers of internal affairs of the states, members of the cis. he assumed the possibility of the collapse of russia. let's listen to what the belarusian dictator said about it. the situation may develop in such a way that any of our states cannot do without this unity, and if we do not understand this today, we will be dealt with individually, but if

russia falls, we will all be drawn into this abyss. mr. valery. well, it seems that lukashenko should have stated that russia is already in the abyss and they are also together with russia, but there is not a single word here about the events unfolding in kursk, about the csto, about cooperation within the cis, aid to russia, why is lukashenko not talking about it now, i think that there will be an upheaval.' himself, he is trying to jump out now, i welcome these efforts, what he says is one story, and what he actually does is a little different, in this context there are more such statements by poland, radiskarski, that is, lukashenka is given signals that he can still

stand on the edge of the abyss, if he behaves correctly, as for the other... heads of state, why is he dragging them along, why is he signing for them, i think that they are not like that they believe they have china, by the way, the same lukashenko is also from china, he now considers china as his overlord, who will save him from putin, realistically in this situation, because pay attention to the training of the chinese together with the belarusians recently, that is, this. .. after putin, without informing xizen ping, went to north korea, so things are not so simple there, and he needs to say such things, because he, you see, in which composition and at which meeting he presides , well, i think that lukashenko still dreams of leading the union

the state with russia, well , it seems to me that there is so much on two chairs... he has to choose after all, either his personal security for the future, and then some bridges with the countries of the west and distancing himself from putin, a war criminal, or he then he will absolutely be in this precipice, and what he wants will drag others in, well, i think they are smart, they will not act on it, but what happened in the kurshchyna, it means that the csto, which putin so flaunted, it's dead, right? because in principle, if russia had support this organization of collective security, the treaty on collective security, there would probably be some other actions, i understand that none of the countries that are part of the csto are currently in a position to help russia with anything, well

, the csto died before this organization, but clearly such a cross was already... placed when they did not help armenia in the war with azerbaijan, that is, in fact, they did not come to the defense of a csto member in armenia, it was obvious to everyone, they all destroyed this position, everyone perfectly understands the csto, so that you understand , these countries except russia, they are not because they expect help from russia, no, they are there because now... already, although it used to be on the southern border, islamic radicalism threatened some other things there, now they are there, fearing that their exit from there will have consequences from. that is, they are now there simply to appease russia, and not to take part, especially in the war against

ukraine, this is all unrealistic. also, mr. valery, we are now watching the unfolding of the presidential campaign in the united states of america, seeing how kamala's team is being formed haris, she decided on the vice president. with the candidate for the position of vice president, he became tim walsh, and we see that in september, obviously, we will have such and such a televised duel between trump and harris, on september 10 there will be a televised debate on abc news, but we are interested in the check , of course, everyone these events in the context of e. in the ukrainian context, zelensky personally had a rather difficult relationship with trump, it was in 2019, when zelensky

spoke with trump on the phone, and trump asked him to assist in the case against hunter biden, on the case of burism, this week the publication came out in the half, where simon chuster talks about ... before the day of the great war, that is, the munich conference of 2022, and not easy dialogues or difficult disputes that were between president zelensky and the vice president of the united states by kamala garis, how do you assess, as a person who knows very well how the american political machine works, how these mutual misunderstandings between - zelenskyi, trump, zelenskyi and garis, how does it later affect the bilateral relations between the two countries? i am very worried that

we are still in a different paradigm of evaluating the elections, and i am trying to change it on every show, and so far i cannot, the fact is that it is not so important for ukraine who will win in this situation, for it is more important for ukraine, what will happen... from the point of view of the supply of weapons and financial assistance from the united states and until the end of the year and the next, in this sense there will be turbulence in the states, and you know that we do not have a tool, we no, there is no conversation, no funding projects, we last year about everyone talked about this package, now no one raises the question, but where is the package in the summer, it is already on october 1, the budget year in the usa, here. we don't have funding, we don't have enough money in the budget for next year, we don't even need the 60 there or the 40 that nato promised, and for the next year, russia

allocates 100 billion dollars for the war, for the armed forces alone, that is, lend-lease , there is no law, that law on lendlease has expired, no new one has been adopted, no one raises this issue, so i am very worried that our focus of attention is not only journalistic, journalists. of course, because it's interesting to discuss, we now have all the experts on football, the olympics and the politics of the united states, and moreover, everyone is discussing technology, but no one has named who will be the vice presidential candidate from kamala harris, no one has named , but everyone is still a specialist, they continue to discuss, well, that’s why it’s like this, you know, a fan will talk about another country, we don’t have our own presidential elections, then we’re bored, then we want to... talk about others, and there are problems in another, there how to even pass this on november 5th, because a large part

of trump voters do not want to give up power in any vote, they want to get it, and on the other side of the left, on the side of kamal harris, more votes are rising in the other direction as well, so the turbulence will be sky-high, and shutdown is already possible. say the probability is 90%, and the shutdown, i will remind you, when these budgetary organizations did not work and part of the military did not work, then the pace of arms supply decreased, that is, our risks are related , among other things, to what will be the configuration of power in in the usa, if it happens, there are actually four options, and it can be a republican, the president, he can have the senate, then he appoints loyal people... and there are no balance levers, and the senate can be for democrats, and then there will be others people, compromising figures will appear, it may be the other way around, that the lower house ee... will be for another

party, or, or everything is concentrated in the hands of one, the democratic president and he has everything and is also a republican, that is, these are four different scenarios , and american sponsors are no longer worried right now presidential campaign, sponsored mainly by districts, districts now, well , congressional elections, because the distribution of forces will depend on this, and joseph biden left because of this, he... well, he was forced out because of this, that is, and until things, by the way, there may still be surprises, regarding that, after all , you asked, i answer, personal moments that were before arise, they influence, but i claim that they are not decisive, first of all, interests are decisive, and in the united states it's a bright...

diplomacy of interest now, and i can attest to that, there may be smiles, there may be some friendly relations, but as long as your national interests coincide, if the national interest of the united states diverges from the ukrainian strategic national interest, then no good relations will help you, so we have to look at developing institutional cooperation, really and with the democrats, with the republicans. and personally with different groups, by the way, there is no such unified team, as it is not surprising when the president and the vice president, they have their own groups, their own groups around them and foreign policy, there will still be many questions, and now there is a serious competition and frictions that are happening, this is a normal process, but globally, i once again affirm and want to be heard, heard by everyone, that it is not so... maybe

who will win in the white home, it is possible to work with this and that candidate, but it is important that we do not stop the amount of aid from the united states of arms, financial, and political support. well, andrii yermak, who i already mentioned, the head of the office of the president of ukraine, in an interview with european pravda, said that on the eve of the elections in the united states of america, ukraine is working with the democratic... republican parties to inform about events in ukraine. let's listen to what yarmak said. we greatly appreciate, first, the support of the entire american people and the bipartisan support we have in congress. and of course, today we are working with the entourage, with people from the staff and candidate donald trump even before the nomination, but already the candidate.

from the democratic party of vice president kamala harris. it is very important for us that both headquarters, both candidates, people around clearly understand, firstly, even, i would say so, on a daily basis, and with the help of our embassy in the united states, which is happening in ukraine, clearly understood at what stage the war is, clearly understood our strategy, and honestly. speaking, it seems to me that it is very important that both candidates really have a plan, a plan for ukrainian victory, the last sentence, mr. valery, confused me the most, because yarmak says that the two candidates must have a plan for ukrainian victory, well what is meant is not the plan that zelenskyi has, but they should have their own plans for ukrainian victory. could it be that and

that candidate, and that one may have his own plans, zelenskyy still has his own plan, well , the ukrainian government must, probably must have its own clear plan, not just these 10 points that were declared by zelenskyi, but the real plan for ukrainian victory, then and kamala harris and donald trump will understand what the ukrainian state actually wants, point by point? it seems to me that there is nothing to comment here, because... what we heard were such familiar words, i.e. correct words, it is good that the conclusions were drawn, it is bad that andriy yermak did not hear me in the 19th year and almost got into a scandal with impeachment, it's good that the conclusions have now been drawn, and now if they try to somehow be equally distant, the only point, here too... they wouldn't

overdo it.