the only thing that was able to tame them was a blow to the head, which reduced their possibilities a little, and no persuasion to act, well, well, a few words, very briefly, mr. vadim, in which state are the relations within israel between the authorities and the people in view of the rather successful operations to eliminate high-ranking terrorists, what about netanyahu and... with an understanding with the israelis? well, israeli society, it has actually been divided for several years now, and this division is precisely due to the political forces that are in opposition to netanyahu, they they personalized it, i.e. took it out of the ideological plane into a personal one, i.e. they actually attacked it, without touching on any such, well, specific problems. and now it

continues, these are the people who are now constantly holding demonstrations, blocking roads, uh, now they have, before they were just a single resignation, now they have picked up on the issue of hostages and with the support of certain, certain forces, which support, including in law enforcement agencies, in the judicial system, they continue to act in that direction, and from the point of view of how people, well, according to the latest polls, after such a radicalization of israel's position, the rating of the likut party has increased. and she again became the first in terms of the number of votes she can get in the knesset. in general, the coalition is recruiting a little less than the opposition forces, but likut in particular has risen a little and it will be when they left . this cabinet was expanded, which included the former oppositionist hanta azinkot, the one in israel... pursued a more moderate

policy, they left, israel's politics became radicalized, and so and so began evil, let's say, attacks on these leaders are different, and in general, israel began to achieve certain successes and the rating increased, we will see what will happen next in this direction. thank you for this constructive inclusion, vadym polishchuk, historian, political commentator from israel joined the saturday political club, and already for several. news , vitaly portnikov will appear at the saturday political club, with whom we will have the opportunity to discuss everything most important for ukraine and the world, wait. vasyl zima's big broadcast. my name is vasyl zima, this is a big broadcast on the spresso tv channel, for two hours of air time, two hours of your time, my colleagues and i will talk about the most important thing, two hours to learn about the war, about the military front-line component, serhiy zurets, and what is the world living on? yuri fizer is already in front of me, and it's time to talk about what is beyond the limits. two

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all caution, in fact, we are also monitoring the kursk region with caution, why? because we do not have any official information, specific data that would be subject to analysis, and to trust the russian public is to disrespect oneself, in principle, on the other hand, it is uneasy, and several actually populated areas of the russian federation are under the control of the armed forces in the... country, we've seen this video, we 've seen what's called absolutely specific brigade, nevertheless, here we are now in a situation where, for the first time since the mid-20th century, the russian federation has received military action, directly on its territory, all this is happening 16 years after it did simply shameful things in georgia in 2008- oh, and in your opinion. but in the historical

perspective, what do we see now and what will it lead to? you know that the most amazing thing is khrystyna, that from the point of view of the russian federation, military... actions on its territory have been taking place for two years in a row, because the russian federation considers donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions of ukraine, such russian regions as the kursk or belgorod regions, and therefore from the point of view of the russian leadership , nothing new is happening, they cannot say: this is what you did, you crossed the borders of the russian federation, and we have long since crossed these borders from their point of view, ukrainian troops are on the territory. donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, which the russians consider their own, and the main demand for vladimir putin, it is for these troops to leave the territories occupied by them, otherwise there will be no negotiations and no peace at all, so the russians cannot say,

you know what happened, the ukrainians crossed the border and entered the territory for the first time since the second world war of the russian federation, as we say and as the west says, because... from the russian point of view, we have been there for a long time, we have been constantly fighting on the territory of the russian federation since the 22nd year, and this is also a certain trap for the russian leaders themselves, so that they cannot gather the un security council and say: you know what happened, the war is going on in our territory, and before, on which it was going, you say that it entered your territory before, why are you so excited, suddenly , but seriously. "if we remove this moment of the state border, it in any case speaks of the ineffectiveness of the russian state itself and the nightingales, because one way or another, and the fact that ukrainian troops crossed the state border of russia,

russia recognizes that there is a state border border between the sumy region and the kurdish region, let's say, it officially recognizes this, and some troops crossed the state border, occupied several settlements, it turned out that this state border, with the country with which you have been at war for 2 and a half years, large and you have been in a state of confrontation with it for 10 years, it is not fortified at all, your power structures cannot fight back, you cannot organize an evacuation, you cannot organize the protection of the inhabitants of kursk from possible shelling, because there is no city there an effective air defense system and a bomb shelter system, and this is all 2.5 years after the start of the great war, that is , by and large, this invasion has a powerful informational effect, because it once

again demonstrates the cardboardness of the russian state itself. of course, russia can gather troops, can cross a foreign border, can... storm the settlements of another country, we know this in georgia and ukraine, achieve success, because a large part of the territory of georgia is located in ukraine under russian control, but at the same time, when russia itself is attacked, it does not know what to do with this attack, and this, by the way, is not the first time, because i want to remind you that when the soviet union in at the end of the 1930s, he attacked finland, latvia, lithuania, estonia, then... everything was fine with these attacks, well, finland was not so fine, but in any case, a large part ended up in the soviet union territory of finland with the city of vii puri, which is now called vyborgo, but when hitler's germany attacked the soviet union, no one was

ready for anything there, it’s very similar, by the way, and they are again inventing some word treacherous, it’s their favorite word, treacherous, the question arises: what the hell do you believe, why did you believe hitler, when you were in a serious confrontation with him for many years, and this non-aggression act meant precisely that, in principle , germany could attack you, so you agree with it on non-aggression, well, if you agree with someone on non-aggression, you have somehow think about a possible attack, somehow to carry out some measures, but this is not a story for stalin, why do you believe that the ukrainians cannot cross some part of the border if you are at war with them? why do you believe, what do you believe, in their weakness, in their decency, in their fear, what is it that you believe, that they have broken your faith again, that where does the russian people have such faith that they can attack everyone by themselves , no one on him, it’s also strange, very much, mr. vitaly, or maybe they believe in international law and

generally recognized borders, which they usually they wipe their feet, but understand that the world cannot ignore the rules it established later. so she considers it a border, and she also considers donetsk, luhansk, kherson, and zaporizhzhia regions to be a border, she also has them there. the russian federation broke international law, well, it's not the first time, by the way, you know when in 1918, i apologize for such a long digression, but this is an interesting moment, the russian federation, germany and ukraine, negotiated peace, then it was decided, where the borders of the russian federation pass, where borders are crossed. independent ukraine, recognized as a ukrainian state by the bolsheviks, and between these two borders there was a neutral

zone, quite a large neutral zone that no one claimed, which by the way included the city of suja, so what the bolsheviks do soon, they decide in kursk , that there will be a temporary worker-peasant government of ukraine. but such a government cannot exist in kurdsk, because it is a russian city, the center of the province, and if there is a temporary workers' government of ukraine in pursk, then the question arises, what, what it ukrainian, and then the bolsheviks decide to let government officials, the bolsheviks, go to suja, so suja became the first capital of soviet ukraine, but everyone says kharkiv is the first capital, no, sorry, suja the first capital, and they immediately announce that this suja. now part of the ukrainian socialist soviet republic and seat of the first

soviet government of ukraine. then, when the court is occupied, it seems to me, by the white guard troops, it is decided that the provisional government moves to belgorod, and then also the territory of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic, and then to kharkiv. and when in 2022... they decided to create the soviet union, the russian bolsheviks said to the ukrainian bolsheviks: listen, and judge, we just borrowed so that you could have a government there, but now that you are part of the soviet union anyway, why would you this territory, let it be the territory of russia, and so suja, which for several years was part of soviet ukraine, and before that a neutral zone between russia and the country, becomes part of the soviet of russia now the question arises, why not again. on the contrary, why can’t we create a neutral zone again, as in 1918, if

it already existed, these are very conditional things, you understand, agreements between states, on which international law is based, on agreements between states, that is, the borders of the soviet union, they were carried out absolutely conventionally, simply by the pencil of the people's commissar for nationalities of soviet russia, and then of the soviet union, joseph stalin, is not enough. who remembers that the general secretary of the central committee of the rkpb still held such a position on november 7 1917, and all these soviet republics with their borders, this is exclusively a figment of his imagination. some countries were occupied, such as ukraine, belarus, georgia, armenia, azerbaijan, others were separated from soviet russia in order to blur the status of the occupied countries, which were the founders of the soviet union, but he created their borders. that is why we have a huge number of divided regions,

the territory of donbas is divided, as we understand with you, half of donbas is russian, half of donbas is ukrainian, part of donbas is the donetsk region, part of donbas is rostov oblast, half of bukovyna is ukrainian, because stalin decided to take this part from romania, half romanian, half galicia. ukrainian, half of galicia - polish, half of slobozan region russian, half ukrainian, ugh, half of the region, sumy region, russian, half ukrainian, on both sides, if we talk about the russian-ukrainian border, ethnic ukrainians live in principle, that is, in those regions, in which today announced a counterterrorist operation, kurdska, voronichka. belgorod region and others, kurdistan, bryansk,

belgorod oblast, i apologize, and voronet oblast, in which a counter-terrorist operation was not announced, only because it now has a border with the occupied territories of ukraine, and not ukraine itself, which is legitimately controlled by the buriad, these are the territories of the ancient ethnic resettlement of ukrainians, a large part of the districts of these oblasts, kursk, belgorod, voronezh and bryansk oblasts, this is part of the ethnic displacement of ukrainians, i still think. in messenger, facebook, or a few years ago, people from these regions wrote absolutely pure ukrainian language, first a poet who published a collection of poems in ukrainian in this part. in general, there was mykhailo koltsov, a famous russian folk poet, bart selyansky, he started with ukrainian folk songs, because in voronyshchyna people spoke ukrainian, he recorded it and wrote poems in ukrainian, then switched to russian, if we talk about the principle of national self-determination, a large part of the territory that has a direct

border with ukraine is a ukrainian ethnic territory, but in 1990. in the first year when the decision was made to break up the soviet union, it was decided that the union republics should remain within their state borders, the republics that nominally, as independent states, formed the soviet union, and this was the wisest decision, because if you start looking at where whose ethnic territory, you can fight all your life, and russia is completely surrounded. this whole vector of russia with foreign ethnic territories, ukrainian, belarusian, kazakh, whatever you want, but russia itself broke this order, already in the first months after the breakdown of the soviet union, they decided to establish control over transnistria, remember? yes, of course, we

were a country that supported, unfortunately, and transnistria supported the gk'. but yeltsin still decided that he would support these transnistrian separatists created by the kremlin. you know how the transnistrian separatists thanked him, in 1993, in october, they sent armed detachments to support the congress of people's deputies of russia in order to overthrow yeltsin by armed means, people with weapons came to moscow from teraspol, who carry out the instructions of the then self-proclaimed president. announced by the transnistrian republic to igor smirnov , ruslan khazbulatov and oleksandr rutskoi agree with him that they sent an army to moscow, an army to destroy the legitimate government. what happens after october 1993, in moscow they still decide that it is necessary to support transnistria, you don't think this is strange, but if you look at it from a historical perspective,

bandits will settle in the territory to destroy you, you say, that's it they are one thing, we are more are interested in... in keeping moldova in tension than in destroying this fester, and so it continues to this day. here is a beautiful illustration. georgia, abkhazia and south ossetia. russia is involved in the coup d'état in georgia. but when eduard shevernadze comes to power, they decide to punish him for his influence in the past. and they do not agree with him on the restoration of the territorial integrity of this country. support the abkhazian and south ossetian separatists, who, as you know, carry out terrible ethnic cleansing on their territories, expelling ethnic georgians. here is a second story for you from the 90s, and then the same, the same tools are applied to

ukraine. so, they themselves do not believe in these borders, they believe. that they can redraw the borders of the former soviet republics as they like, because these are not real states, there is only one real state on the post-soviet territory, it is the russian federation, but we can also decide that this is no fake state, that the state is just some scrap of the soviet union, russian soviet the federal-socialist republic, a fiction of lenin ostrotskii, they were able to conquer it simply on this territory. this bandit power of theirs, which, by the way, until the beginning of the 30s, no one recognized in this territory, it is simply a separatist piece of the russian empire that got down lenin strotsky's throat, they managed to win it back, then attack us, of course, kyiv, to minsk, to the caucasian countries, all this is clear, but it is

a sub-state, and there are two ways to make it work. the russians see this way as returning all the soviet republics to their own composition, but i see another way, to give the peoples of russia the opportunity to define their own statehood, to stop being the younger brothers of this very russian people, especially since this is the russian people, for all the time of its history it shows such infantilism that it cannot even be an older brother , nor a younger sister, it's just... i would say complex mental such a complex mental condition, i would say that does not allow you to be a member of anyone's family, so better, better. what do you know when there is an acquaintance or a relative in a severe alcoholic situation condition, it is still better to live in a separate apartment, then put locks there and do not

open even when he comes with another request for 5 rubles, he comes, always comes, we know that, the one who did not live in russia , maybe he doesn't know, but i know for sure, they always come and knock on the door, but no, 5 rubles, no, no, you'll drink tomorrow. here is all the state logic, so in principle, i think that this is a bold step, a bold step precisely from the point of view of demonstrating this cardboardness of the russian empire, so-called, which turned out to be no empire, but just such a chekist machine, unable, unable to prepare for anything, where is the russian intelligence, i want to ask, where is the glorious federal security service of the russian federation headed by the valiant comrade bortnikov, where... the foreign intelligence service headed by close friend naryshkin, how should she send her wife to paris for shopping, here naryshkin is the first to write

a list about the name this and this this this this and such a watch and such a watch and such a jacket and such a coat, ugh, but how to find out that there are ukrainian troops in the kurt region, here naruzhkin is no longer interested, he is interested in shopping. well, i’m not talking about bortnykav, he certainly doesn’t send his wife to paris, because he’s not like, i would say, a sophisticated person like naryshkin, but he could also go about his business, what do they do there anyway, you can’t steal all the time and not to do anything, well, now they will have something to do, because this counter-terrorist operation that they announced means that it is the fsb officers who will rule in these areas, although the border areas, no, not exactly, it means that in these areas a regime of complete lawlessness. a counterterrorist operation was carried out, let's say, in the north caucasus, which meant that the russian army was operating there, the fsb officers generally rule everywhere, will rule, the impression is that they do not rule, but

they will have the opportunity to act in a situation of complete lawlessness. look, in the north caucasus between chechnya, ingushetia and dagestan on the one hand, and the rest of russia on the other hand, there was actually a state border. when you crossed the border of, say, the republic of dagestan with the stavropol territory, it seems to be the russian federation, if i'm not mistaken, you had to show your documents, your passport, everything to the world. you were checked by real border guards and policemen, and they could not let you go to the real russia, you know, they filtered, they found out, they conducted interrogations, they checked you on some of their database, well, internally, they could do that. whatever, counter terrorist operation mode means they can do whatever they want with impunity, hold you hostage, by

the way, you know that was the most profitable business of russian generals, they just took people as hostages in these caucasian families and then just received money for the ransom, ugh, and this is all a whim under the guise of the kto regime, because they simply announced that you were a terrorist, and then you brought them money, and they already said that you don't... you can be detained by the courts and investigators, can listen to your phone without any formal sanction, can even check your correspondence, can enter any house, any -what an apartment, you can't have them don't miss in normal life, in moscow, if a policeman comes to you, you have the legal right not to let him in, at least in your own apartment. in the mode of counter-terrorism operation, as you understand. no one will help you, and so on, and what are they doing now? they actually declare such a separate

state in the border region with ukraine, the bryansk, bilhorodsk and kurtsk regions, that is, what they will create there, they will create a border between these regions and the rest of russia, they will decide who to pass there, let's say not to go there. journalists, or any activists there, or any volunteers there who want to help someone there, there is no need to go there, it is a matter of national security, go to voronezh, they can not release from there, or release those they want, or release there, whoever they want, they can create a special regime for people from settlements that, say, were under ukrainian control or are, if these people... want to leave their regions, make them special interrogations, etc. they get the possibility of any military

actions in this territory without... supervision, that if they want to use heavy weapons there, burn houses, what else, they can do everything, both the army and the fsb, this is absolutely such an idea, you know how it was with ivan the terrible, again, i apologize for recalling the story, there was the territory of oprichnina, on the territory of oprichnina, it was not quiet and peaceful, it was the tsar's territory, everything else that was outside of the oprichnina, the oprichnina could do there. anything, even hanging you by the legs and cutting you off everything they wanted to cut off from you, because it is unplanned, and this is the method of governance, now putin actually rules russia as an oprichnina, and the announcement of a counter-terrorist operation is a form of taking certain regions outside the framework of the oprichnina, in which it will be possible for oprichnina to do everything in the world, in connection with the fact

that there is such a danger, huh. that's all, because what can they think? maybe some local residents cooperated with the ukrainian troops, facilitated the possibility of transition, maybe there were some agents in the local services of the fsb or border troops or in the local government, you have to check everything, they are looking for spies all their life, right? yes, and besides, they really need no one to create an information vacuum, because these residents are already judges of other cities. they start going somewhere, they start rehearsing: "vlodymirovych, save us, we love you so much, we supported svo, but why are you throwing us at will, why should anyone hear this, you can clean up some telegram administrators there -local channels, or tell them what to write to them, by the way, you may have noticed that the belgorod telegram channels

have undergone a certain evolution from the moment when real combat clashes began there to the present moment." they are trying to act within the framework of the vector set by the regional administration, and now it will intensify from kursk oblast it will be like this, but now i carefully read local telegram channels, let’s say suzhyn, but i am sure that they will all be removed from their hands at a certain point, as it was with the telegram channels of the same chabekin, and they cease to be sources of information because you understand, these are small local channels that are just sources of information, we have... under fire, they start to write out of inertia: we have a bad mayor, and when they start , listen, we had a flight here, we couldn't leave here, we don't have buses here, we don't have trains here, here the local residents say this, they say that, but nobody needs this in russia, they should write ukrainians are bastards, the government is wonderful, we thank our governor for helping us, and here this is also part of the counterterrorist operation regime,

mr. vitaly, another interesting thing... an observation, maybe subjective, but it seems that for the russians, you said that in principle for russia as a state, that the territory, excuse me, of the current kherson, ukrainian- controlled, that their kursk region, they are absolutely equal, it's all their territories, it's just that kherson is now occupied by the ukrainian army, the nazis, on the other hand, to be honest... the biggest stir was caused by the withdrawal of russian troops from kherson , crying, how can we leave our people there and so on , than what happens on kurtshchyna according to my observations, russians know less about kurshchyna, and they care much less about it than the territories they occupied, specifically ukrainian? well, because when we were talking about ukrainian territories,

we were talking weakly about... about occupation, about military victory, here we are simply talking about some territory, which someone entered. it is necessary to understand that russian society is sufficiently atomized, if you will, this is an atomized society, it is primarily interested in the situation at home, and if nothing is happening in your region, then you really don't care much about the suffering of the residents of another region, especially since the government itself knows better what to do, and it will liberate kurshchyna. it will return people to their homes, and now we just have to accept the evacuees, according to official data , 76,000 people have been evacuated from these regions, by the way, this is the number one task, as we all understand very well, along with this, and it seems to me that, of course, in some moscow, what is happening there in the kursk region, few people are bothered, it is true, it is very

such an important point. russian political life.