can you imagine a situation where this operation was planned without the approval of a key partner? well, you know, i would add to what, say, the pentagon's deputy spokeswoman, sabrina sink, said. she simply approved ukraine's actions, said that ukraine has every right to defend itself, including what it is doing in the korsk region, and there is no problem with using american weapons for this. and state department spokesman matthew miller said pretty much the same thing, and i would say that for me it's not at all strange, because you know, all the restrictions that the united states imposed, let's say, on supplying ukraine with this or that weapon, or on the use of this or that weapon, they were due to what we all call escalation, such a euphemism, because in fact, of course, in... in the united states

, escalation means russia's inadequate response, that is, in the form of, let's say, the use of nuclear weapons against ukraine. and the united states, of course, constantly wants to avoid this, but i would, you know, i would mirror what your colleague vitaly bortnikov likes to call the tactics of selyami on the part of russia, that is, when russia thinks that it can cut off in this way. piece by piece of ukrainian territory from ukraine, but the west is doing almost the same thing, in particular the united states, constantly piece by piece, allowing ukraine to do more, sending more weapons to ukraine, more types of weapons, i think that it's just that the united states believes that so by taking these steps gradually, and they are doing this, they are achieving a very important thing, that is, that russia... not

will react inadequately, i am more than sure that this reaction of the united states to this operation of the armed forces, in the kursk region, it shows that american intelligence is absolutely sure that no inadequate response, let's say, in the form of the use of nuclear weapons from russia to this it won't happen, mr. ihor, and we watched for a long time how the transfer to ukraine of the concrete takes place. weapons that actually belong to, well , let's say some european country, but the manufacturer of these weapons is the united states, then this country had to ask the permission of the united states to transfer these weapons to us. now we are watching how in germany, accordingly , the head of the security committee declares that from the moment we handed over the tanks to ukraine, even though they are german-made, they are already ukrainian tanks, they can use them as they see fit, i.e. with... again

this interesting moment is happening when, when in principle we, if not publicly, but give good good to what is happening, in your opinion, how it will affect the general situation also of a political nature in the united states itself, whether it already has an appropriate response in the hearts of the americans, who, in addition to all this, are also voters, they must answer in the near future. make a corresponding decision of an electoral nature this fall? in the united states, it is an operation of the armed forces of ukraine in the kursk region, it is very much so, it is covered in the media, with details, with very great details, there are many articles in leading newspapers, and there are corresponding tv reports, there are comments on television, there are articles on the websites of news tv channels . goes

the key word here is humiliating putin, humiliating russia and approving the actions of ukraine, that is, the americans are perceived accordingly in this way, in terms of what significance this will have for the american election campaign, you know, foreign policy and generally everything that is done in the world is traditionally not a subject presidential election campaign in the united states. and this election campaign, it is, well, practically, it is no different from the previous ones, that is, it will revolve around internal affairs, around, in fact, the protection of democracy, or or opposition to democracy around various social issues, around economic issues, economic policy, and that's what voters are most concerned about when they're... electing a new

president, and there won't be any change this year, so let's say kamala harris and tim walts, they have been speaking in key election states in recent days. so foreign policy matters were not discussed at all in their speeches, and it will be so until the end of the election campaign, because the most important thing for americans is economic policy, social policy, and since if there is such a confrontation between the forces led by trump and the liberal forces, then this is also a question of protecting democracy, or on the contrary, not protecting democracy, if we say what is meant from the outside. mr. igor, we understand that we can expect a debate between donald trump and kamala garis in the near future, perhaps we are talking about several phased debates, what are your expectations from this purely

pre-election campaign, we understand that even not being official candidates yet from their parties, donald trump and joseph biden met at the debate. and this actually led to breakneck, breakneck changes in the situation. what to expect now? debates at all, they 've been held against the last 50 years, by the national commission on debates, and trump has refused debates organized by the commission, a long time ago, that is, he said he will not participate in such debates, and the debates that were held between trump and biden, which are also offered to abc channels on september 10. now it will be a debate between trump and karis, and this is a debate in a different format, that is, it is a debate without an audience in the hall, only with moderators, hosts and debaters, and uh, will they be, i'm not sure, by the way, that they

will be, because trump said just a week ago that he will not participate in any debate with harris, except for a possible channel debate fox with audience participation, and ... on thursday, he said the exact opposite of what he will be doing in the sept. 10 debate hosted by abc. frankly speaking, i don't expect anything so special, because the debate actually, well, it's such a television product that tv journalists understand well why it is the television product is popular among viewers, but for voters, well, voters already know their candidates, and it is unlikely ... a large number of voters, thanks to the debate , can change their point of view about the candidates, decide to vote for the wrong candidate for whom they planned to vote, i think kamala garris has a good chance of, well, beating donald trump in a debate because you know, it

's going to be a debate, as kamalala garris herself, a professional prosecutor, with a convicted felon, no... not too long ago suggests in the commission of 34 criminal offenses crimes by the grand jury, but i don't think that alone can have any significant impact on voter sentiment, certainly the debate between trump and biden on june 27th, well, it really had a big impact because joe biden failed that debate and in the end, it led to to the fact that he stepped out of the distance, but to ... pulling harris and trump, if they are, well , this will not happen, that is, well, trump will be trump, he will behave the way he always behaves, aris, if she will prepare well for the debate, then she will loses, but let's say hilary clinton also

beat trump in the debates in '16 but lost the election, say mitt romney beat obama in the first debate in '12 but lost the election, ronald reagan then... lost debate in '84 to walter mondale, but won the election, that is, the debate does not determine the winner of the election, after all, the winner is determined by the vote, interestingly, you actually noticed and even slightly separated the tv viewers and the voters, as if they are two completely different categories, which are not mutually exclusive intersect, for me it is interesting from the point of view that in 2019, in fact, we here in ukraine watched the elections in which teleba... and actually the television activity of our current president played a certain role, and i am not sure that if it were not for this plane , then you could count on some high high points there, but this is such a small

trailer, sorry, sorry, if i can, i don't want to interrupt you, but i just want to add that the same thing is observed in the united states, look, only on thursday at the same time. two events: kamela garis spoke at a meeting of the auto manufacturers' union in detroit, and at the same time donald trump held a press conference, but all tv channels broadcast it live. criteria, what do you think trump's press conference, why? well, because it certainly allowed them to increase their ratings, because a lot of people, they, they willingly look at trump, even those who don't like him, willingly look, well, because they want to see something like that, unusual, and this, in my opinion, this is a problem, a big problem, because that's how people watch tv, a lot people watch tv, but there must be an answer. journalists for the product they publish, and at least when the elections are held, still the tv channels should

make sure that there is no advantage of one of the candidates on the tv airwaves, even if it brings ratings to the tv channels, i think this is wrong , because it is necessary for tv channels to position themselves as neutrally as possible towards the candidates for election positions, and finally, in short, communication. states and the situation in the middle east, the possibility of iran's response, in fact to the events that took place last week, in particular in tehran, can we say that the united states is waiting and actually knows, traditionally knows, what to do in this situation, in a situation of escalation? the united states, i think...in anticipation, and they are preparing for a possible iranian response, but they are very active on the diplomatic

front to prevent a major war and to prevent a possible iranian response, a possible iranian attack on israel, because the middle east - this is a region where you can light a match, and from this there will be such a fire that simply, simply it can turn into the third world war, so of course the united states is absolutely not ... not interested in this, and yes, the commander of the central command of the united states, he, let's say, he was in israel , he discussed, with the chief of the israeli general staff, the minister of defense, joint actions in the event of an iranian attack, but at the same time the united states is making a lot of diplomatic efforts, they are doing, the united states does not have diplomatic relations with iran, but through intermediaries, through countries that have relations with iran, the united states on... is trying to do everything possible to prevent the flames

of a very large war that could absolutely have unpredictable consequences. mr. igor, thank you for joining the saturday political club igor eisenberg, a professor of new york university from the united states, on the espresso tv channel, and continuing the topic of developments in the middle east and possibly. the responses of iran and israel to the events that took place in tehran, actually in context inauguration of the new president, so far there is information, in particular from zatelegraf, which refers to unnamed aides of the iranian president, the current president of iran, masoud pazeyan, offers less radical options in contrast to the islamic revolutionary guard corps, that is, there are certain... different readings of those events, which will develop in the near future, if

of course they will develop. queer is traditionally in favor of more drastic actions, but the president has a more restrained view. we will talk about this and not only with vadym polishchuk now, historian, political commentator from israel. congratulations, mr. vadim, glory to ukraine. glory, good evening. yes, actually, on me, in what form, now? there is a situation directly in israel, when we are talking about on the one hand hamas being beheaded in a certain way, and on the other hand we already understand that there are new contenders for leadership of both a military nature and a political nature, on the other hand hezbollah and a-a party lebanon, all this is in the context of the threat from iran, i ask you to speak, oh country. israel is now in expectations of what iran and its

proxy hezbollah will dare to do in this situation, or events, this persuasion on the part of the united states, to reduce the intensity of the possible response, and in the same way , i think that the idea of ​​persuading israel to reduce the intensity of the response to iran's response, because here you know, the flywheel may spin. responses that, from the point of view of the united states, could lead to a major escalation that the united states does not need now, from the point of view of hamas. there is already a leader there, that is, these hamasites have decided on the direction of their movement, because they have been elected it was sinvara who was the head of the political wing that united, that is, before there was a political wing, there was a military wing, now it all happened in one person, and in fact it

radicalized the situation, because sinvara is a person who is more tak... e sharper, more risky , more prone to some adventures and hoping that this will lead to a reduction in tensions, to the same agreement that the united states wants to reach on the hostages, and through this agreement to actually end the gas conflict and freeze the situation, israel for such a development not he agrees... even if he goes to an agreement, but only on the condition of a possible continuation of the liquidation of hamas as a structure, because only this can prevent a repetition of what happened on october 7. on the part of hizballah, israel now understands that the existence of hizballah in general threatens

israel's investment, due to the fact that we see that such a security zone has been created in the north. which was actually created by hizballah, several large enough settlements have been evacuated, a large number of israelis are now in temporary places there with their families in hotels, and it is unacceptable for israel that this whole situation is maintained, and even if some conditions are reached by skiball, there is no hope that these conditions will be in effect for a long time and in this way... these people will not be able to return and feel safe, so in fact now israel is interested in some kind of radical solution to the situation, and there are already discussions about this among experts and, i think, among the military and political leadership, and if our army did not actually act as such a political party, which was

not radical, but more, let's say, prone to compromise. i think it would have already started to be solved in a more radical way, and when we talk about a more radical version of the development of events, what is meant here , decipher, please, what it would look like, well, it looked like military operations in lebanon and creation, well , not even to the litani river, because the litani river is there from 6 to 15 km, it is not enough for security, there... it would be more likely to come to beirut, as it was in the first lebanon war, and eliminate hizballah as well as military structure, that is, this weaponry, which was brought there by iran in large quantities at that time, all their caches are there, what they buried there and so on, well, just like that, a window of opportunity

to eliminate the iranian threat has now appeared, in that including the iranian nuclear program. which managed to develop thanks to the policies of the democrats obama and biden for some flirting with iran, and the impression that they consider iran to be some kind of party that could , well, regulate some relations in the middle east, although in fact they are not, well, in fact radicalize and lead to such a flare-up. without conflicts, and this, in my opinion , is precisely the wrong position of the united states, just as it behaved with russia, this constant obama reboot and biden appeasement of the aggressor, to prevent escalation, that is, they are escalating, as russia and iran want, and their people of the country, those who oppose them must constantly

restrain themselves, and thus it inflames the situation even more, mr. vadim, as we ... understand, iran is seeking support, or at least now enlisting the support of allies, and we are also talking about russia here, because, to be honest, what could be the need for visits of quite high-ranking, but already ex-russian military officials to iran, for example, and putin in general, let's recall, called iran still limit its revenge on israel, reuters wrote about it, and... will russia openly support iran in any actions of this country in relation to israel in the near future, or will it still be cautious? well, i am. i don't know how she can support even more, well, except for the eyes the military that russia currently has in syria, they will take part in the conflict on the side of iran, this is the only possible participation of russia, even

greater than now, that is, they support them in all, let's say, international organizations, they support them militarily, as well as iran supports russia, it is a military ally, and if anyone in israel still has doubts about this, then i... i don't know what else russia should do, well, what is there to strike with its planes from syria, well, it's good that they are compared to by the israeli military, air force is weak, i.e israel would repulse this attack, and they understand it well, but they help in whatever way they can, they teach the iranians, the iranians teach the russians, that is, there is love in measure, as they say, and there is a lot of information... of varying degrees of confirmation, but after all , there is information in the world media that russia is supplying iran, possibly s-400, iran for its part is even insisting on receiving

su-35 flanker fighters, yes, yes, these are the same su-35, like the new fighters of the russian federation , which are purely theoretical, but can be met f-16 in some kind of aerial battle, but that's another question, can russia provide iran with weapons? this means that there are fewer weapons in the hands of the russian federation to attack ukraine, but in any case, as we understand it, it should not be too profitable for russia to escalate from iran right now, right? well, in principle, it is to be seen, first of all, if there is an escalation around iran, it will once again divert attention from russia's war with ukraine, this is basically for putin. well, on the other hand, due to this, the prices of oil, which have recently started to decline, and this is also beneficial for russia, so why is it not

beneficial, any escalation in the middle east is beneficial, it is normal for them, and if everything there, taiwan and china, get caught, it is even more normal for russia, therefore, it will do anything for escalation, they can say anything, they can lie to them. you know, this is a normal phenomenon as well as for iran, but you have to look, you even see, they are about for them this situation with the houthis, in fact it turned out to be quite unprofitable, including economically, due to the fact that they are forced now due to the fact that they fire at any ships that go through the gulf of sin, through the red sea, then in russian, ships with russian cargo are now bypassing africa, but still this... tion around the middle east they still support it and still no one says to iran neither china nor russia that let’s somehow bite them and tame them, so they only

the only thing that could tame them is a blow to the skin, which is a little bit of them reduced the possibilities, and no persuasion, ugh, well, a few words very briefly, mr. vadim, what is the current state of... relations within israel between the authorities and the people in view of the rather successful operations to eliminate high-ranking terrorists. what is netanyahu's understanding with the israelis? well , israeli society, it has actually been divided for several years now, and this division was precisely, well, by the political forces that are in opposition to netanyahu, they personalized it, i.e.... brought it out of the ideological plane into a personal one, that is, they actually attacked him, not touching on some such, well, specific ones

problems, and now it continues, these are the people who are now constantly holding demonstrations, blocking roads, now they have, previously they were simply not a cheap resignation, now they have latched onto the topic of hostages and with the support of certain... them forces, which they support, including in law enforcement agencies, in the judicial system, they continue to act in that direction, and from the point of view of the people, well, according to the latest polls, after such a radicalization of israel's position, the rating of netanyahu's leput party increased, and it again became the first by the number of votes it can get in the knesset, the coalition as a whole, it gains a little less than the opposition forces, but likut in particular... has risen a little and it will be when they leave . he

spent this in israel. they followed a moderate policy, israel's politics became radicalized, more evil, let's say, attacks on these different leaders began, and in general israel began to achieve certain successes and the rating of the number increased, we will see what will happen next in this direction . thank you for this is a constructive inclusion, vadym polishchuk, historian, political commentator from israel joined the saturday political club, and already in a few moments. vitaly portnikov will appear at the political club on saturday, with whom we will have the opportunity to discuss everything that is most important for ukraine and the world. wait. the television premiere of a documentary film about the most difficult 10 years of our lives through the personal stories of unusual ukrainians, public activist roman ratushny, journalist and military officer tetyana chornovol, founder of the angels unit taira yulia paevska, writer svitlana povalyaeva.

about how we changed. what lessons have been learned and what we will never forget in the tape 10 years of war exclusively on the air of the espresso tv channel. it's a saturday espresso political club. my name is khrystyna yatskiv. i am glad to welcome vitaly portnikov to the studio. mr. vitaly, glory to ukraine. i congratulate you as a hero. well, kurshchyna, and as of this morning, possibly also belgorod region, but there we... monitor with all caution, in fact, we also carefully monitor the kursk region, why? because we do not have any official information, specific data that would be subject to analysis, and to trust russian propaganda is to disrespect oneself, in principle, on the other hand, it is uneasy, and several, already several actually populated areas of the russian federation, are under under the control of the armed forces

of ukraine. we saw this video, we saw that absolutely specific brigades are called, nevertheless, now we are in a situation where, for the first time since the middle of the 20th century, the russian federation received military action, directly on its territory. and all this is happening 16 years after she did just shameful things in georgia in 2008. and in your opinion. in historical perspective, what do we see now and what will it lead to? you know that the most amazing thing, christina, is that from the point of view of the russian federation, military actions have been taking place on its territory for two years in a row, because the russian federation considers the donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhia regions of ukraine to be the same russian regions as the kursk or belgorod regions, and therefore with from the point of view of the russian leadership

, nothing new is happening. they cannot say: oh, what have you done, you have crossed the borders of the russian federation, and we have long since crossed these borders from their point of view. ukrainian troops are on the territory of donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, which the russians consider their own, and the main demand for vladimir putin is that these troops leave the territories occupied by them, otherwise there will be no negotiations and no peace at all. ago russians cannot say. you know what happened, the ukrainians crossed the border and entered the territory of the russian federation for the first time since the second world war, as we say and as the west says, because from the russian point of view we have been there for a long time, we are constantly fighting on the territory of the russian federation with of the 22nd year, and this is also a certain trap for the russian leaders themselves, because they cannot gather the un security council and

say: you know what... happened, the war is going on in our territory, and earlier, in which she walked, you say that she walked on your territory before, why are you so excited, uh, suddenly, but seriously, if you remove this moment of the state border, it in any case speaks of the inefficiency of the russian state itself and the solov , because one way or another, and the fact that ukrainian troops crossed the state border. of russia, there russia recognizes that there is a state border between the sumy region and the kurdistan region, let's say, it officially recognizes this, and so the troops of a certain country crossed the state border, occupied several settlements, it turned out that this state border with the country, with which you have been waging a war for 2.5 years, and have been in a state of confrontation with it for 10 years.