thank you, bow down, goodbye, good luck, victory to all of us, big and small, good luck, i congratulate you, this is the saturday political club, my name is khrystyna yatskiv, and this program cannot be imagined without vitaly portnik. he will certainly appear in a conversation with us already in the second part of our program, in the first part we will talk with distinguished guests, experts about the hottest events of recent days, and prevail, prevail, as you like, today we will have a topic on the air a breakthrough in the kursk region and certain events in the belgorod region, possibly for we are now watching the unfolding of these events. a few days ago, let me remind you, on the border of the kursk sumy region. oblast, in the area

of ​​the city of suja, there was a breach of the border, and despite the active reaction of the russian side to these events, we still do not see any comments from the ukrainian leadership or from the ukrainian military, which is probably absolutely unnecessary now. there are no clear maps, there is no concrete clear understanding in which operational zone all these events are taking place. all we know is our own. interesting events take place localities, also from the energy point of view, we are talking about gazprom facilities, some of which are already under the control of the defense forces of ukraine, and we are also talking about the kursk nuclear power plant, to which the russians are now drawing reinforcements for the defense of this facility , obviously playing it safe, anyway... otherwise we

have a precedent, actually since 1944, this is the first time that the russian federation can declare that representatives of the military of another country are located on its territory. it is very interesting to watch how the recently released russian liberals are commenting on this story, about this... we will definitely talk about how putin's goddaughter, if i'm not mistaken, ksenia sobchak, who also considers herself to be a neo-novist, a russian liberal of her time, is commenting on this story, that's how things happen collection to help residents of the kursk region who suffered, attention, this is now a quote, due to the actions of the armed forces of ukraine. can you imagine the trouble in kursk oblast because of the armed forces, which is absolutely not the case. the truth is

that the trouble in the kursk region is due to putin, who started it an aggressive war against our country, everything else is exclusively the consequences of his decision and the decision of the russian people to have such a ruler. in connection with the studio oleksiy hetman, reserve major of the national guard of ukraine, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, good evening. we will be extremely careful, after all, and some unconscious information, clear. we do not have information for analysis, but we understand that this week the line of combat between the defense forces of ukraine and the russian army has changed somewhat, it became longer, it became bigger, if we talk about how it changed the general picture of military operations in this war, what would you say, please, well, it is beginning to change the general cover of hostilities. because we will now see what

is happening with the russian army, how they will redeploy forces, how they will raise reserves, well, a lot will change, it has been four days since the sixth, and for now, well , we can only analyze and say how it will change miss certain things, but what it will change is obviously what will have the most effect on change, this military actions, is it even a political component, an informational component. and so on, we remember that the war has not ceased to be a hybrid one, and it consists of informational, political, economic, and all that is media, which falls under the name hybrid war, this is a very successful raid , well, not a raid, you cannot use such a word, it is a very successful counterattack of our troops, and i am sure that soon we will begin to feel the results of these actions directly on other areas of the front. it is unlikely that anything will change significantly

pokrovsky, or the soyarovsky tatar direction, because the southern russian so-called group conducts military operations there, and this and... and where the fighting is currently taking place in kurshchyna, this is the northern group, and they communicate with each other, but do not exchange forces and means, well, at least so far this has not happened, so believe that they will start withdrawing troops from the pokrovsk direction, unlikely, from klupinsky-limansk, maybe from kharkiv 100% will be transferred from the reserves from the leningrad military district, also obviously, can there be... a conscript and many things we will see, this is an event, it, it is very, well, it is big and so big can be seen from a distance, we have not yet realized that it happened and what can happen next there, this no, well, it's not just like that at all, well, i can

break it down into files, but you know, i don't know how much time we have, so maybe we have enough time to thoroughly analyze what is happening, but again, as far as i'm concerned, we don't have official data, clear data, we don't have it they provide, there are objective reasons for that, we understand it well, but to analyze very colorful information from the public, i apologize, but in my opinion, the information hygiene of ukrainians is at the highest level. mr. oleksiy, but if you go through the interesting details, which have already appeared. are evident in the context of this stage of the confrontation between russia and ukraine. to be honest, i am absolutely amazed at how innovative drones have been used recently, they shoot down russian helicopters and cause damage right in flight.

russian drones are shot down by our drones, and this too, in my opinion, it's an interesting know-how, can we talk about a really new level, a new stage for... the use of these unmanned technologies? well, drones are not dominating this war yet, but they started to have a significant impact, they were being improved, i don’t even see anything strange in the fact that they started shooting down those, well , for example, russian helicopters that enter the zone there, where they can work, it is a disembodied person, we understand that the operator guided him, he did not independently make decisions there, and in the zone... direct vision, this tens of kilometers, well, depending on at what height, which drone, but well, we saw how komikaza drones attack, maybe even now we can directly see, they attack targets that are on the ground, moving targets, if the target is in the air , it does not actively maneuver,

it does not gain high speed, so the drone cannot follow it, well, it cannot catch up with it, and even if it is a curtain, well, as they say, it simply does not move. if it moves slowly, then intercept it with a drone, well, what is the difference, its or an armored car or a tank, for the operator, which the difference, and it depends on the specialty of the operator, how much he is trained, how much experience he has to control the drone to direct it directly to the enemy target, the same applies not only to helicopters, it applies to enemy drones, reconnaissance drones, there is no need to look for any, well, you know, we often use... there are the latest technologies, know-how, there is artificial intelligence, well , we collect all this in a heap in order to somehow raise our own feelings of importance for the fact that we are so smart, we have such all yes, no, these are ordinary things, let's

look at it a little more simply, there is nothing so sacred here, it's normal, we can even have a killer from a kolometa, i'm not sure. that drones will be used as means of air defense, because this is a small radius of action, but if someone flies something or a russian drone or a russian helicopter into the field of vision, let's say the drone through the eyes of the operator, then why not, if it will not maneuver, if it is not will fly fast, it will be destroyed, but this is not it should be considered as appendices. because if this helicopter was not very far away, it was easier to shoot it down with a manpads, so what the hell. ukrainian drones are already visible

to the belarusian dictator lukashenka, by the way, in the context of recent events, he ordered to strengthen the grouping of troops in the gomel and mozar tactical directions, all this... the border with the kyiv and chernihiv regions, in fact, sends both iskanders and polonaises there , these are reactive systems as well, or not? a situation is possible, in some way, when we will also be committed with belarus some active actions to destabilize the plans of the ukrainian army, scanners against drones, well, lukashenka was scared, so seriously, such a scanner was against, well, what is this, the point is that this fear of his, well, it can be a big deal with a big fate. to be sure that no actions

will be taken against us from the territory of belarus in the near future, especially against us, because then we can use article 51 of the united nations charter on what self-defense is, and we have the right to attack any military objects on territory of the aggressor, for this we do not need any additional permissions, well, if we and our partners have agreed not to use it at their request. types of weapons, then our own weapons, forgive us, we are guided by the articles of international law, that is, in this case, the articles of the united nations charter, lukashenko understands that if he moves from his territory, at least something will be done from the territory of belarus, and not only there something flies by, then we will immediately strike back, and he sees now that this strike is a blow back, well, belarusian the army at all his, excuse me, points, lukashenko, it will be... broken very quickly, and okay, and today it also became known about

the destruction of one of the so-called boyka towers in the black sea, periodically information about these towers appears, we remember how in 2023 the central intelligence agency talked about returning, no, not even about returning to our control, but about knocking out and actually knocking out russian control over ... some of these facilities, and today the naval forces reported that they struck one of the gas towers in the waters of the black sea, the spokesman dmytro pletenchuk said that there are dead occupiers, and also some of the equipment that is used on these platforms was destroyed, what does this mean, does it ease the situation... in which we feel more comfortable in this part , at least the black sea, i will remind you that it

is also interesting to us for economic reasons, for reasons of civil shipping, including yes, well, the actions of our special operations forces, our commandos who attack from the sea, who attack coastal areas, which attack the towers of the skirmisher, other objects at sea, well, these are asymmetric actions about... which we often say, in order to achieve success, the same operation on the kurshchyna, the same actions, well, you know, for some reason everyone thinks that, well, no everyone, and many believe that the war should take place, i don't know, in the days of caesar's legions, that one should be built on the other side, and who will kill whom, we have said many times, military analysts, military leadership, that we... don't have as many forces and means as our enemy, so we have to act asymmetrically, everyone wants us to act

symmetrically, if from their side 50 00 climbs there, then we also need to put 50 and we will fight head-on, well, we will not fight like that, we just somehow bypassed these blows and snarls, although i think that we let's talk about that, too, about what is happening there, not from the point of view of analyzing some telegram publics, but from the point of view of the essence of what is happening there, there is a lot of it. what can be interesting to talk about, that is why these actions, battle towers, strikes on crimean submarines, strikes on air defense means, strikes on airfields, on oil and petroleum plants, these are all our asymmetric responses, this is the whole complex of measures that gives us the opportunity, at least for today, to deter a very powerful russian offensive, at least in the eastern direction and in the future, as many foreign analysts say. only not journalists, but the military, because these are more military people, after all, they understand

military affairs than very respectable journalists and some analysts there, that we have the prospect of intercepting a tactical initiative on the battlefield this year, it is very it is important, and what happened at kurchenny will simply go down, as they say, in the history books, because it is a unique operation, it is a unique operation, and mr. oleksiy, you said that at this stage in kursk... there are operations a lot of things that can be analyzed from a purely military point of view, what do you have the most, what did you most resent, first of all, let's... we did it because it's a symmetrical response, what we did, we russians, that in the south, when there was our counter-offensive action, they built a line of syrovikin, which we like very much it was difficult to overcome, now on the eastern front, through where they are advancing, they are building fortifications behind them, because i understand that counterattacks are possible so that they have somewhere to defend themselves,

such fortifications were not built in the kurs region, this is the first. second, there were no troops there with combat experience, there were even conscripts who immediately began to surrender. the question arises, why don't we strike in that city, in this city, where the russians have a weaker defense, this is not a counteroffensive, it is a counterattack, it can even be considered as an element of active defense, because defense was not only positional, it was active, that is, mobile, maneuverable, point-based, and so on, that is, people in the army fight according to protocols and rules, and not according to some know-how. sitting with the brigade forever , god's army must fight the protocol and adhere to the clear rules and professions of the commander - this is to use exactly those rules, exactly those tactics that are most convenient in this city, at this time, at this time of the year, and so on and so forth, taking into account forces and means. the second thing, which is interesting when attacking chickens, is the possibility is quite, we can assume that we

can reach the kursk nuclear power plant, then. the situation with our zaporozhye nuclear power plant will look completely different there, and grossi, the head of maga, is already talking about this, and certain conversations are already starting about what should and should not be done there, and exactly what can be interesting, take a look pay attention to the map, you don't need to be a great strategist to understand that if we move further from the korsk direction , for example, to the south, then we will enter teleprost and the kupin-liman grouping and the pokrovsky group, right? ugh, mr. oleksiy, thank you, i hope that we will have more opportunities and reasons with you to analyze what is happening now, indeed, the historical scale of the event, no matter how cool, oleksiy hetman, reserve major of the national guard of ukraine, veteran of the russian- of the ukrainian war, joined the saturday political club, which continues and

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directly on its territory, and not, as they like to incite from time to time, instigate military conflicts of a completely artificial nature on the territories of neighboring states, or in general states that can help them control a specific region. now i will be happy to include igor eisenberg, a professor at new york university, united states of america, in an important conversation. mr. igor, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to the hero, i congratulate you, ms. khrystyna, i congratulate all viewers of espresso. already in a few days i wonder what has changed. we understand that for quite a long time our key partner, the united states america, were very careful. when it came to the work of the defense forces of ukraine on the territory of the russian federation, at first this work was very veiled, so we talked about some

incidents in bavovna, although we certainly understood what we were talking about, and then we began to insist that we needed to study the enemy's rear , because it is from there that they start their aggression from russian territories, their planes take off, from russian territories. their columns go and so on and so forth and had a careful taboo from the united states for at least the use of long-range weapons and weapons that can reach the locations of interest to us. now we are watching a real ground operation of the defense forces of ukraine in the kursk region and we see a very, very, very restrained reaction of america to what is happening. i'll just quote. white house national security communications adviser john kirby, i think i'll leave room here to allow ukraine to talk one way or another about its military operations. we keep in touch with our ukrainian

colleagues, we work to make it better understand what they are doing, what their goals are, what their strategy is. he refuses to characterize the situation in the kursk region, explaining that it is worth waiting until washington has a better idea of ​​the events in the territory of the russian region. that is, if we are not sure that we... completely understand what is happening there, and this is a game, mr. igor, that is, rhetorical figures, can you imagine a situation when this operation was planned without the agreement of a key partner? well, you know, i would add that said, say, the deputy spokesperson of the pentagon, sabrina sink, she simply approved the actions of ukraine, said that, well, ukraine has every right to defend itself, including what it is doing in korsky. region, and there is no problem with using american weapons for this, and state department spokesman matthew miller said about the same.

i would say that for me it is not surprising at all, because you know, all the restrictions that the united states imposed on, let's say, supplying ukraine with stealth weapons, or on the use of this or that weapon, they were due to the fact that... we all there call escalation such an euphemism, because in fact, of course, in the united states , escalation means an inadequate response from russia, that is, in the form of, say, the use of nuclear weapons against ukraine, and the united states, of course, always wants this to avoid, but i would, you know, i would mirror what your colleague vitaliy bortnikov likes on... the selyami tactics on the part of russia, that is, when russia thinks that it can cut off piece by piece of ukrainian territory from ukraine, but the west

does almost the same thing. particularly the united states, piece by piece all the time, allowing ukraine to do more, sending ukraine more weapons, more types of weapons, i think that the united states simply believes that by taking these steps step by step, they are doing this, achieving this very important thing , that is, that russia, it will not react inadequately, i am more than sure that such a reaction of the united states to... this operation of the armed forces of ukraine in the kurt region, it shows that american intelligence is absolutely sure that there will be no inadequate response, let's say, in the form of the use of nuclear weapons from russia, mr. ihor, and we have long watched the transfer of specific weapons to ukraine, weapons that actually belong to, let's say, some

european country, but in .. the manufacturer of these weapons is the united states, then this country had to ask for the permission of the united states to transfer these weapons to us. now we are watching how in germany, accordingly, the head of the security committee declares that from the moment we handed over tanks to ukraine, although they are also german-made, they are already ukrainian tanks, they can use them as they see fit, that is , this interesting moment is happening again, when, in principle, we... if not openly, but they give good good for what is happening, in your opinion, how will this affect the general situation , even of a political nature, in the united states itself, does it already have an appropriate response in the hearts of americans, who, in addition to all that, are also voters, they should make appropriate decisions in the near future this one

autumn in the states , this operation of the armed forces of ukraine in kursk oblast is very true, it is covered in the media, with details, very large details, there are many articles in leading newspapers, and there are television reports, corresponding comments on television, there are articles on the websites of news tv channels, the key is the word here is humiliating putin, humiliating russia and... and approving the actions of ukraine, that is, the americans are accordingly perceived exactly that way. as for what this will mean for the american election campaign, you know, the external politics and generally everything that is done in the world is traditionally not the subject of a presidential election campaign in the united states, and this election campaign, well, it is practically

no different from the previous ones, that is... it will also revolve around internal affairs, around defense itself democracy, or or anti-democracy around various social issues, around economic issues, economic policy, and that's what voters are most concerned about when they elect a new president, and there won't be any changes this year, so... well, let's say kamela harris and tim waltz, in the last few days they spoke in the key for the elections in the states about foreign policy matters, it was not discussed at all in their speeches, and it will be like this until the end of the election campaign, because the main thing for americans is economic policy, social politics, and since there is such a confrontation between the forces led by trump and with liberal forces, it is also a question

of... protecting democracy or, on the contrary, not protecting democracy, if we say what is meant by trump. mr. igor, we understand that what can be expected for a debate between donald trump and kamala harris in the near future, perhaps we are talking about a multi-year debate. what are your expectations from this purely pre-election campaign, we understand that even. before being official candidates from their parties, donald trump and joseph biden met at a debate, and this actually led to a drastic, drastic change in the situation, what can we expect now? debates in general, they have been held against the last 50 years by the national debate commission, and the trump debates organized by this commission refused, a long time ago, that is, he said that he was not.