real forces, then it is still a question of protecting democracy, or on the contrary of not protecting democracy, if we say what is meant by trump. ugh. mr. igor, we understand that we can expect a debate between donald trump and kamala harris in the near future, perhaps we are talking about a multi-stage debate. what are your expectations from this purely pre-election event? actions, we understand that even before being official candidates from their parties, donald trump and joseph biden met at a debate, and this actually led to to the heartbreaking, heartbreaking changes in the situation, what to expect now? debates in general, they 've been held for the last 50 years, by the national debate commission, and trump has given up on debates organized by that commission, a long time ago, that is, he said that he will not ... participate in such debates,

and the debates, which were held between trump and biden, and which are also proposed to abc channels for september 10, now it will be a debate between trump and caris, and this is a debate in a different format, that is, this is a debate without an audience in the hall, only with moderators, hosts and debaters, and whether they will be, i'm not sure, by the way, that they will be, because trump just said a week ago. that he will not participate in any debate with harris other than the only debate possible on the fox channel with the participation of the audience, on thursday he said the diametrical opposite of something that he will participate in the debate on september 10, which is hosted by the channel abc. frankly speaking, i don't expect anything so special, because the debate is actually, well, it's such a television product that tv journalists are good at of course. why such a television product is

popular among viewers, and for voters, well , voters already know their candidates, and it is unlikely that a large number of voters, thanks to the debate, can change their point of view about the candidates, decide to vote for the wrong candidate for whom they planned to vote, i think that kamala harris has every chance to, well, beat donald trump in a debate, because you know, it will be a debate, as kamalalagaria herself implies. from a professional prosecutor, from a convicted criminal, no not so, not too long ago, 34 felony grand jurors, but i don't think that's going to have any significant effect on voter sentiment, certainly the trump-biden debate on june 27th, well, it really had a big impact because.. . this

debate failed and in the end it led to the fact that he withdrew from the distance, but in the debate between harris and trump, well, this will not happen, that is, trump will be trump, he will behave as he always does. behaves like aris, if she prepares well for the debate, she is his loses, but let's say hillary clinton also beat trump in a debate in the 16th. but lost the election, say mitt romney beat obama in the first debate in '12 but lost the election. ronald reagan narrowly lost the '84 debate to walter mondale, but won the election. that is, the debate does not determine the winner of the election, after all, the winner is determined by the vote. it's interesting, you actually noticed and even made a little distinction between tv viewers and voters, as if they are two completely different categories that do not intersect with each other. for me it is interesting from a point of view

in view of the fact that in 2019, here in ukraine, we actually watched the elections, in which television and the actual television activity of our current president played a certain role, and i am not sure that if it were not for this plane, then we could count on any high, high points, but it's such a small trailer, sorry, sorry, if you can. i don't want to interrupt you, but i just want to add that the same thing is happening in the united states, look, only on thursday two events happened at the same time: kamela harris spoke at a meeting of the union automakers in detroit, and at the same time donald trump was holding a press conference, all tv channels broadcast live, why do you think trump's press conference? well, because it certainly allowed them to increase their rating, because many...

people, they willingly look at trump, even those who do not like him, willingly look, well, because they want to see something like that, unusual, and it seems to me... it's a problem, a big problem, because that's how people watch tv, a lot of people watch tv, but there should be the responsibility of journalists for the product they publish, and at least when there are elections, still the tv channels should make sure that there is no advantage of one of the candidates on the airwaves, even if it brings ratings to the tv channels, i think that this wrong, because it is necessary for tv channels to position themselves as... more neutral towards candidates for election positions, and finally, in short, the united states and the situation in the middle east, the possibility of iran's response, in fact, to the events that took place in

last week, in particular in tehran, can we say that the united states is waiting and... actually knows, traditionally knows what to do in this situation, in a situation of escalation? the united states, i think, is also in anticipation and they are preparing for a possible iranian response, but they are very active on the diplomatic front to prevent a major war, to prevent a possible iranian response, a possible iranian attack on israel, because the close the east is such a region where you can light a match, and it will be... such a fire that it's just, it's just that may turn into the third world war, so of course the united states is absolutely not interested in this, and so the commander of the us central command, let's say, he was in israel, he discussed with the chief of the israeli general staff,

the minister of defense, joint actions in case of an iranian attack, but at the same time the united states is making a lot of diplomatic efforts. the united states does not have diplomatic relations with iran, but through intermediaries, through countries that have relations with iran, the united states are trying to do everything possible to prevent the flames of a very large war from breaking out there, which could absolutely have unpredictable consequences. mr. igor, thank you for joining the saturday political club, igor eisenberg, a professor at new york university from the united states. on the air of the espresso tv channel and continuing the theme of the development of events in the middle east and the possible response of iran and israel to the events that took place in tehran, in fact in the context of the inauguration of the new president,

information is still appearing, in particular from the telegraph, citing unnamed aides to the iranian president, is the current president of iran. here, pezheshkiyan offers less radical options in contrast to the guard corps of the islamic revolution, that is, there are certain different interpretations of those events that will develop in the near future, if they will, of course, develop. queer is traditionally in favor of more drastic actions, but the president has a more restrained view. about this and not only. we will talk now with vadym polishchuk, a historian, political commentator from israel. congratulations, sir. we lead, glory to ukraine, glory, good evening, yes, actually, in what form, the situation is now, directly in israel, when we talk about, on the one hand, hamas, in a certain way

beheaded, and on the other hand, we already understand that there are new contenders for leadership of both a military nature and a political nature, on the other hand, esbola and a... the lebanese side, all this in the context of the threat from iran. i ask you to speak. well, the country, israel is now waiting to see what iran and its proxy hizbollah will do in this situation, or event, here persuasion from the united states, to reduce the intensity, possibly responses. and also, i think that the idea of ​​persuading israel to... to reduce the intensity of the response to iran's response, because you know, there could be swing responses that, from the point of view of the united states, could lead to a major escalation that the united

states does not currently have need from the point of view of hamas, there is already a leader there, that is, the hamasites have decided on the direction of their movement, because the election of sinvar as the head of the political wing that united, that is, was previously political wing, there was a military wing, now it's all in one. it happened to a person, and in fact it radicalized the situation, because sinwar is a person who is more drastic, more risky, more prone to some adventures and to hope that this will lead to a decrease in tension, to the same agreement that the united states wants to reach on the hostages , and because of this agreement, in fact, to... stop the gas conflict and freeze the situation,

israel does not agree to such a development, even if it goes to an agreement, but only on the conditions of a possible continuation in to eliminate hamas as a structure, because only this can prevent a repeat of what happened on october 7, from the side of hizballah, israel now understands that hizballah exists at all. threatens disinvestment in israel because we see that a security zone has been created in the north, which was actually created by hezbollah, several large enough settlements have been evacuated, a large number of israelis are now in temporary places there with their families in hotels, and it is unacceptable for israel to this whole situation persisted and... even if some conditions are reached by schisbola, there is no hope that these conditions will

last for a long time, and in this way these people will be able to return and feel safe , so in fact now israel is interested in some radical solution to the situation, and there are already talks about it among experts, and i think so, among the military-political leadership, and if we had... the army actually did not act as a political party that was not radical, but more, let's say, prone to compromises, i i think it would already begin to be solved in a more radical way, and when we talk about a more radical version of the development of events, what is meant here, please decipher what it would look like, well, it would look like full-scale military operations in lebanon and creation, well, not even a great dane. up to 15 km, this is not enough for security,

there would most likely be a coming to beirut, as it was in the first lebanon war, and the elimination of hizballah as well as a military structure, that is, this weaponry, which was brought there by iran in large quantities at that time that's all there, their caches are there, that they dug there and so on, well, just like that... now there is a window of opportunity to eliminate the iranian threat, including the iranian nuclear program, which managed to develop thanks to the policies of the democrats obama and biden for some kind of flirting with iran, and the impression is that they consider iran to be some kind of party that could, well, regulate some relations on... well, they actually radicalize and

lead to such a flare-up of some conflicts, and this, in my opinion, is precisely the wrong position of the united states, just like them behaved with russia, constantly this obama reset and biden's appeasement of the aggressor, to prevent escalation, i.e. they escalate as they want and russia and iran, and their countries yakim... must constantly restrain themselves, and in this way it inflames the situation even more. mr. vadim, as we understand, iran is looking for support, or at least is currently enlisting the support of its allies, and the same applies here to russia, because, to be honest, why then would visits by quite high-ranking, but already ex-russian military officials to iran, for example. and in general, putin, let's recall, called on iran to limit its revenge against israel, as reported by reuters.

will russia openly support iran in any actions of this country in relation to israel in the near future, or will it still be cautious? well, i don't know in what way it can support even more, well, unless these military eyes, which are now russian in syria, they will act from the side. conflict on the side of iran, this is the only possible participation of russia even more than now, that is, they support them in all, let's say, international organizations, they support them militarily, just like... just as iran supports russia, they are military allies, and if anyone in israel still doubts this, then i don't know what else russia should do, well, why hit with your planes from syria, well, it’s good that compared to the israeli military and air force, they are weak, that is , israel would repel this attack, and they

understand it well, but they help in whatever way they can, they train the iranians , iranians on... love russians, that is, there is a measure of love, like that they say, well, there is a lot of information of varying degrees of confirmation, but still there is information in the world media that russia is supplying iran, possibly s-400, and iran, for its part , is even insisting on receiving su-35 flanker fighters, yes, yes, these are the same su-35s, like the new fighters of the russian federation, with which the sus theoretically ... but the f-16s can meet in some aerial combat, well, that's another question, russia can provide iran with weapons, this means that in the hands of the russian federation there are fewer weapons to attack ukraine, but in any case, like us we understand, escalation on the part of iran should not be too profitable for russia right now, right? well

, in principle, it is to be seen, first of all, if... the escalation around iran will again divert attention from russia's war with ukraine, and this is good for putin in principle. on the other hand, thanks to this , oil prices, which have recently started to decrease, can jump, and just like that, it is beneficial for russia. that is why any escalation in the middle east is not beneficial, it is beneficial for them, it is normal for them. and if taiwan and china are still there zatsi will catch on, that's more. is more normal for russia, so it will do anything for escalation, they can say anything, they can lie, you know, this is a normal phenomenon, just like for iran, but you have to look, you even see, they for them , this situation with the houthis actually turned out to be quite disadvantageous, including economically,

due to the fact that they are forced to fire at any ships that pass through the red sea, russian, ships with russian cargo bypassing africa now, but still this escalation around the middle east, they still support it, and still no one tells iran, not china, not russia, that let's somehow tame the pieces, so they are the only thing that was able to tame them , this is a blow to the skin, which slightly reduced their opportunities, and no persuasion to... ugh, well , a few words, very briefly, mr. vadim, in what state are the relations within israel between the authorities and the people in view of the rather successful operations on the elimination of high-ranking terrorists in netanyahu with an understanding with the israelis? well,

israeli society has actually been divided for several years now. and this division by the political forces that are opposed to netanyahu, they personalized, i.e. took it out of the ideological plane into a personal one, that is, they actually attacked him, without touching on any such , well, specific problems, and now it continues, these are the people who now they are constantly holding demonstrations, blocking roads, etc. for... they have, before they simply called for him to resign, now they there they got caught up in the topic of hostages and with the support of certain certain forces that they support, including in law enforcement agencies, in the judicial system, they continue to act in that direction, and from the point of view of the people, well, according to the latest polls, after such a radicalization of israel's position the rating

of the likat party has increased, ugh, and it again became the first in the number of votes, it can get in the knesset, in general, the coalition is gaining a little less than the opposition forces, but it is likat that has risen a little, and it will be when the eyes are gone and expanded this office, in which included the former opposition leaders, this israel pursued a more moderate policy, they left, israel 's politics became radicalized, more and more vile... grew, we will see what will happen further in this direction, thank you. for this constructive inclusion, vadym polishchuk, a historian, political commentator from israel joined the saturday political club, and in a few moments vitaly portnikov will appear in the saturday political club, from

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caution, in fact, we are also carefully monitoring the kursk region, why, because of some official information , we don't have specific data that could be analyzed, but to trust russian zpublics is to disrespect oneself, in principle. on the other hand , several actually populated areas of the russian federation are also restless are under the control of the armed forces of ukraine, we saw this video, we saw that absolutely specific brigades are called, but nevertheless, now we are in a situation where, for the first time since the middle of the 20th century , the russian federation received military actions directly on its territory, and this is from... 16 years after she did some really disgraceful things in georgia in 2008, and in your opinion, in historical perspective,

what are we seeing now and what will it lead to? you know that the most amazing thing, khrystyna, is that from the point of view of the russian federation, military actions have been taking place on its territory for two years in a row, because the russian federation considers the donetsk, luhansk, kherson... zaporizhia regions of ukraine to be the same russian regions as the kursk or belgorod regions. and therefore, from the point of view of the russian leadership , nothing new is happening. they cannot say: this is what you did, you crossed the borders of the russian federation. and we have long since crossed these borders from their point of view. ukrainian troops are located on the territory of donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhia regions, which the russians consider their own, and the main demand of the umo. for vladimir putin, it is for these troops to leave the territories occupied by them, otherwise there will be no negotiations and no peace at all, so the russians cannot say,

you know, what happened in... ukrainians crossed the border for the first time since the second world war entered the territory of the russian federation, as we say and as the west says, because from the russian point of view we have been there for a long time, we have been constantly fighting on the territory of the russian federation since the 22nd year, and in this, too, there is a certain trap for the russian leaders themselves, because they cannot gather the un security council and say: you know what happened, the war is going on? on our territory, and before, on which she walked, you say that she walked on your territory before, why did you get so excited, uh, suddenly, but seriously, if we remove this moment of the state border, it is in any in this case speaks of the ineffectiveness of the russian state itself, because one way or another, and the fact that ukrainian troops crossed the state border of russia, there

already... recognizes that there is a state border between the sumy region and the kurdistan region, let's say, it officially recognizes this, and now the troops of some country crossed the state border, occupied several settlements, it turned out that this state border with the country with which you have been waging a war for 2.5 years, a big one, and you have been in a state of confrontation with it for 10 years, it is not fortified at all, your power structures... cannot fight back, you cannot organize an evacuation, you cannot organize the protection of the residents of kursk , from possible shelling of this city, because there there is no effective air defense system and bomb shelter system, and this is all 2.5 years after the start of the great war, that is, by and large, this invasion has a powerful informational effect, because

it... once again demonstrates the cardboardness of the russian state itself. of course, russia can gather troops, can cross a foreign border, can storm the populated areas of another country. we know this both in georgia and in ukraine, to achieve success, because a large part of the territory of georgia, ukraine is located under russian control. but at the same time, when russia itself is attacked, it does not know what to do with this attack. and this, by the way, again. for the first time, because i want to remind you that when the soviet union attacked finland, latvia, lithuania, and estonia at the end of the 1930s, everything was fine with these attacks, but not so fine with finland, but in any case - in any case , a large part of the territory of finland with the city of vii puri, which is now called vyborgo, was part of the soviet union, but when hitler's germany attacked the soviet union, no one was ready for anything there, it is

very similar by the way. and they again invent some word treacherous, this is their favorite word, treacherous, the question arises: what the hell do you believe, why did you believe hitler, when you were in serious confrontation with him for many years, and this act of non-aggression is precisely meant that, in principle, germany could attack you, so you agree with it on non-aggression, well, if you agree with someone on non-aggression, you should somehow think about the possible. attack, somehow carry out some measures, but this is not a story for stalin, why believe that the ukrainians cannot cross some part of the border if you are at war with them, why do you believe, what do you believe, in their weakness, in their decency, in their fear, that this is what you believe, that they have broken your faith again, that where are you from in the russian people in general, this faith that he can attack everyone himself, no one can attack him, that is also strange, very much, mr. vitaly, or maybe they believe in

international right? and generally recognized borders, against which they usually wipe their feet, but understand that the world cannot ignore the rules established after the second border, in these borders, which the russian federation considers a border, it considers it a border, and it also considers the donetsk, luhansk, kherson, and zaporizhzhia regions to be a border, she has it there too, she believes that she can move borders, she can do anything, the russian federation has broken international law. well , great, not the first time, by the way, you know when in 1918, i apologize for such a long digression, but this is an interesting point: the russian federation, germany and ukraine agreed on peace, then it was decided where the borders of the russian federation pass, where the borders of independent ukraine pass, recognized as a ukrainian state by the bolsheviks.