and this is good for putin in principle, on the other hand, thanks to this , oil prices, which have recently started to decrease, can jump, and it is also beneficial for russia, er, so why is it not beneficial, beneficial for any escalation in the middle east , it's normal for them, and if taiwan and china get caught up there, it's even more normal for russia, so it will do anything for escalation, they can say anything.

but all the same, this escalation around the near east, they still support it this, and still no one tells iran, not china, not russia, that let’s somehow bite and tame them, so they are the only thing that could tame them, it was a blow to the skin, which reduced their capabilities a little, and no persuasion works, ugh , and a few words very briefly, mr. vadim, in what state are the relations within israel between the authorities and the people now, in view of the rather successful operations to eliminate high-ranking terrorists. what is netanyahu's understanding with the israelis? well, israeli society has actually existed for several years divided, and this division is precisely due to the political forces that are in opposition to netanyahu. they personalized it, i.e. took it

out of the ideological plane into a personal one, i.e. they actually attacked him without touching on any such, well, specific problems, and now it continues, these are the people who are now constantly holding demonstrations, blocking roads, er, now they have yes, earlier they simply called for him to resign, now they have picked up on the topic of hostages and on... the support of certain, certain forces that they support, including law enforcement authorities, in the judicial system, they continue to act in that direction, and from the point of view of the people, well, according to the latest polls, after such a radicalization of israel's position, the rating of netanyahu's party has increased, uh, and it again became the first in the number of votes , which it can get in the knesset, the coalition as a whole, it recruits a little less than the opposition forces, and... but it is likut

who has risen a little and it will be when they left, and this cabinet was expanded, which included former opposition members gan saizinkot israel pursued a more moderate policy they they israel's politics became radicalized , more evil, shall we say , attacks on these different leaders began, and in general , israel began to achieve certain goals. success and the rating has increased a lot, we will see what will happen next in this direction. thank you for this constructive inclusion, vadym polishchuk, historian, political commentator from israel joined the saturday political club, and in a few moments vitaly portnikov will appear in the saturday political club, with whom we will have the opportunity to discuss everything that is most important for ukraine and the world. wait. i congratulate you. this is freedom live on radio svoboda. we have already come to the snake itself. you can be shocked, news

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political club at espresso, my name is khrystyna yatskiv, i am happy to welcome vitaly portnikov to the studio, mr. vitaly, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes of vitaliy. well, kurshchyna and from this morning, maybe also belgorodshchyna, but we are monitoring there with all caution, in fact, we are also carefully monitoring the kursk region, why? because some official information, specific data, which to be subject to analysis, we don’t have them, but to trust russian z publics is to disrespect oneself, in principle, on the other hand, it is uneasy, and several... already several actually populated areas of the russian federation are under the control of the armed forces of ukraine, we saw this video, we saw that absolutely specific brigades are called, and yet, now we are in a situation where, for the first time since the middle of the 20th century

, the russian federation has received military action directly on its territory, all this is happening 16 years after as she did just shameful things in georgia in 2008, and in your opinion, in the historical perspective, what are we seeing now and what will it lead to? you know that the most amazing thing for christians is that from the point of view of the russian federation, military actions have been taking place on its territory for two years in a row, because the russian federation considers the donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhia regions of ukraine to be the same russian regions, i... kursk or belgorod region, and therefore from the point of view of the russian leadership , nothing new is happening, they can't to say: this is what you did, you crossed the borders of the russian federation, and we already crossed these borders from their point of view a long time ago: ukrainian troops are located on

the territory of the donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhia regions, which the russians consider their own, and most importantly the requirement for vladimir putin is that these troops remain occupied by him. territory, otherwise there will be no negotiations and no peace at all, so the russians cannot say: you know what happened, the ukrainians went through border and entered the territory of the russian federation for the first time since the second world war, as we say and as the west says, because from the russian point of view we have been there for a long time, we have been constantly fighting on the territory of the russian federation since the 22nd year, and in this too there is a certain trap. for the russian leaders themselves, because they cannot gather the un security council and say: you know what happened, the war is going on in our territory, and before, on which it was going, you say that it was going on in your territory before, what are you so excited about huh suddenly, but seriously, if you remove this

moment of the state border, it in any case speaks of the inefficiency of the russian state itself and its. because one way or another, and the fact that ukrainian troops crossed the state border of russia, there russia already recognizes that there is a state border between the sumy region and the kurdish region, let's say, it officially recognizes it, and the troops of some country crossed the state border border, occupied several settlements, it turned out that this state border with the country you are with you have been waging a war for 2 years and have been in a state of confrontation with it for 10 years, it is not fortified at all, your power structures cannot fight back, you cannot organize an evacuation, you cannot organize the protection of the inhabitants of kursk from

possible shelling of this city, because there is no effective air defense system and a bomb shelter system, and this is all 2.5 years later. of the great war, that is , by and large, this invasion, it has a powerful informational effect, because it once again demonstrates the cardboardness of the of the russian state. of course, russia can gather troops, can cross a foreign border, can storm populated areas of another country, we know this both in georgia and in ukraine, achieve success, because a large part of the territory of georgia and ukraine is under russian control, but together with ... with this, when russia itself is attacked, it does not know what to do with this attack, and this, by the way, is not the first time, because i want to remind you that when the soviet union in the late 30s x years attacked finland, latvia, lithuania, estonia,

everything was fine with these attacks, well , not so fine with finland, but in any case , a large part of the territory of finland, including the city of vii puri, which is now part of the soviet union, ended up. it's called vyborgo, but when hitler's germany attacked the soviet union, no one there was ready for anything, it's very similar, by the way, and they're inventing some kind of word faith again. this is their favorite word, treacherous, the question arises, why the hell do you believe, why did you believe hitler, when you were in serious confrontation with him for many years, and this act of non-aggression just meant that, in principle , germany could attack you, so you agree with it on non-aggression, well, if you agree on non-aggression with someone, you have to somehow think about a possible attack, somehow take some measures, but that's history not for stalin. eh, why do you believe that the ukrainians cannot cross some part of the border if you are at war with them, why

do you believe, what do you believe, in their weakness, in their decency, in their fear, what do you believe that they once again broke your faith that where did the russian people come from? the belief that he himself can attack everyone, but no one, is also very strange, mr. vitaly, or maybe they believe in international law and universally recognized borders, which they are aware of. they wipe, but they understand that the world cannot ignore the rules that it established after the world borders, which the russian federation considers a border, yes, it considers it a border, and it also considers the donetsk, luhansk, kherson, and zaporizhzhia regions to be a border, she also has it there , she believes that she can cross borders, she can do anything, russian the federation broke international law, well , great, not for the first time, by the way, you know. when in 1918, i apologize for such a long digression, but this is an interesting moment,

the russian federation, germany and ukraine, negotiated peace, then it was decided where the borders of the russian federation are, where the borders of independent ukraine, recognized as a ukrainian state by the bolsheviks, are and between these two borders there was a neutral zone, quite so voluminous. a zone that no one claimed, which, by the way, included the city of suja, so what the bolsheviks do soon, they decide in kursk that there will be a temporary worker-peasant government of ukraine, but such a government cannot exist in kurdsk, because it is a russian city, the center of a province, and if there is a temporary worker-peasant government of ukraine in kursk, then the question arises: what , why he is ukrainian. and then the bolsheviks decide that the bolshevik government officials should go

to suja. thus, suja became the first capital of soviet ukraine. everyone says that kharkiv is the first capital. no, sorry. suja is the first capital. and they immediately announce that this one suja is now part of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic. and the place of stay. the first soviet government of ukraine. then, when the court is occupied, to me. it seems, the white guard troops, a decision is made that the provisional government will move to belgorod, which is then also the territory of the ukrainian socialist soviet republic, and then to kharkiv. and when in 2022 they decided to create the soviet union, the russian bolsheviks said to the ukrainian bolsheviks: listen, and give judgment, we just borrowed so that you have there was a government, but now that you are... still a part of the soviet union, why do you need this territory, let it be the territory of russia. and

so suja, which for several years was part of soviet ukraine, and before that a neutral zone between russia and ukraine, becomes part of soviet russia. now the question arises, why can't we do the opposite again, why can't we make a neutral zone again, as in 1918, if it already existed, these are very conditional things, you know, agreements between states. what international law is based on, on agreements between states, that is the borders of the soviet union, they were drawn absolutely conditionally, simply by the pencil of the people's commissar for nationalities of soviet russia, and then of the soviet union, joseph stalin. few people remember that the general secretary of the central committee of the rkpb still held such a position on november 7, 1917, and all these soviet republics with their borders are only a fruit. his fantasies, some countries were occupied, such as ukraine, belarus, georgia,

armenia, azerbaijan, others, separated from soviet russia, in order to blur the status of the occupied countries that were the founders of the soviet union, but he created their borders himself, so we have a huge number of divided regions, divided, as we understand with you. the territory of donbas, half of donbas is russian, half of donbas is ukrainian, part of donbas is donetsk region, part of donbas is rostov region, half of bukovyna is ukrainian. because stalin so decided to take that part of romania, half romanian, half ukrainian galicia, half polish galicia, half russian slobozan, half ukrainian, half the region of sumy russian, half ukrainian, on both sides,

if we talk about the russian-ukrainian border, ethnic ukrainians live in principle, that is, in... the regions in which the counter-terrorist operation was announced today, the kurdistan, voronezh, belgorod regions, and also, kurdistan, bryansk , belgorod region, i apologize, and also voronisk, in which a counter-terrorist operation was not announced only because it now has a border with the occupied territories of ukraine, and not ukraine itself, which is controlled by the legitimate government, these are the territories of an ancient ethnic resettlement of ukrainians, most of the districts of these regions. the kursk, belgorod, voronych and bryansk regions are part of the ethnic settlement of ukrainians. even a few years ago , people from these regions wrote to me in messenger, facebook, in absolutely pure ukrainian. the first poet who published a collection of poems in the ukrainian language in this part of ukrainian lands in general was mykhailo koltsov, the famous russian

folk poet bart selyanskyi, he started with ukrainian folk songs, because people spoke in voronyshchyna. then switched to russian if we talk about the principle of national self-determination, a large part of the territory that has a direct border with ukraine is ukrainian ethnic territory, but in 1991, when the decision was made to break up the soviet union, it was decided that the union republics should remain in their places. state borders, republics that nominally, as independent states, formed the soviet union, and this was the wisest decision, because if you start looking at whose ethnic territory, you can fight all your life, and all of russia is surrounded, this whole vector of russia,

by foreign ethnic territories, ukrainian, belarusian, kazakh, whatever you want. but did russia itself break this order? already in the first months after the collapse of the soviet union, they decided to establish control over transnistria, remember? yes, of course, we were a country that supported, unfortunately, and the transnistrians supported the gkchcp, but yeltsin still decided that he would support these transnistrian separatists created by the kremlin. you know how he was thanked transnistria separatists of 1993 in october , they send armed detachments to support the congress of people's deputies of russia in order to overthrow yeltsin by armed means, people with weapons come to moscow from teraspol, who carry out the instructions of the then president of the self-proclaimed transnistrian republic igor smirnov, ruslan negotiates with him

khazbulatov and oleksandr rutskoi that they sent an army to moscow, an army to destroy the law. power, which happens after october 1993, in moscow anyway decide that you need to support transnistria, you don't think it's strange, but if you look at it from a historical perspective, the territory sends bandits to destroy you, and you say, well , they still, we're more interested in keeping moldova in tension than to destroy this abscess, and so continues to this day. here is a beautiful illustration for you: georgia, abkhazia. south ossetia, russia participates in a coup in georgia, but when eduard shevernadze comes to power, they decide to punish him for influence in the past and do not agree with him on the restoration of the territorial integrity of this country. they support the abkhaz and south ossetian separatists, who, as you

know, are carrying out terrible ethnic cleansing on their territory, expelling ethnic georgians. here is a second story for you from the 90s, and then the same, the same tools are applied to ukraine. so, they themselves do not believe in these borders. they believe that they can redraw the borders of the former soviet republics as they like, because these are not real states, the real state is only on the post-soviet territory. it is the russian federation, but we can also decide that it is not a real state, that it is a state, it is just some scrap of the soviet union, the russian soviet federal-socialist one. a fiction of lenin ostrotsky, they were simply able to regain their bandit power in this territory, which, by the way, until the beginning of the 30s

, no one recognized in this territory, it is simply a separatist piece of the russian empire that climbed down lenin's throat with trotsky, in them managed to win it back, then attack us, of course kyiv, minsk, the caucasian countries, all this is clear. but it is not a sub-state, and there are two ways for it to become a real state: the russians see this way in returning all the soviet republics to their composition, and i see another way: to give the people of russia the opportunity to determine their own statehood, to stop being they are the younger brothers of this very russian people, the more so the russian people, for all the time of its history, it shows such infantilism. that he is not can be neither an older brother nor a younger sister, it's just, i would say, a complex mental state, such a complex mental state, i would

say that does not allow you to be a member of anyone's family, so it's better, it's better, you know, when there is an acquaintance there or a relative is in a severe alcoholic state, it is still better to live in a separate apartment, put locks there and not open even when... he comes for another, another request for 5 rubles, he comes, always comes, we are it we know, someone who has not lived in russia may not know, but i know for sure, they always come and they ring the doorbell, but no, 5 rubles, no, no, you'll drink tomorrow, that's all the state logic, so in principle, i think it's a bold step, a bold step precisely from the point of view of demonstrating this cardboard russianness... empire, so-called, which turned out to be no empire at all, but just such a czech machine, incapable, incapable of preparing for anything, where is the russian intelligence,

i want to ask, where is the glorious federal security service of the russian federation, headed by the valiant comrade bortnikov, where foreign intelligence service headed by the valiant comrade naryshkin, how to send his wife to paris for shopping, here on ryshkenp. write a list of exchanges this and this this this this and such a watch and such a watch and such a jacket and such a coat, ugh, but how to find out that there are ukrainian troops in the kurtsk region, it’s not really interesting here, he’s interested in shopping, well, about bortnykav i'm not saying, he certainly doesn't send his wife to paris, because he's not such, i would say, a sophisticated person like naryshkin, but he could also do his own business, what are they doing there anyway? you can't stealing all the time and doing nothing, well , now they will have something to do, because this counter-terrorist operation that they announced means that it is the ephesians who will rule in

these areas, borderline ones, right? no, not at all, it means that a regime of complete lawlessness is being introduced in these regions, a counterterrorist operation was carried out, say, in the north caucasus, what this meant was that the russian army was operating there, the fsb officers are generally ruling everywhere, will rule, the impression is that they don't steer. but they get the opportunity to act in a situation of completeness injustice look, in the north caucasus between chechnya, ingushetia and dagestan on the one hand, and the rest of russia on the other , there was actually a state border. when you crossed the border of, say, the republic of dagestan with the stavropol territory, it seems, of the russian federation, if i'm not mistaken. you had to show documents, passport, everything to the world. you. were checked by real border guards and policemen and could not miss in the direction of real russia, you know? filtered, found out, conducted interrogations, checked you

they could do whatever they wanted based on their database, well, internally. the counter-terrorist operation regime means they can do whatever they want without any judicial sanction. to hold you hostage, by the way, that was the most profitable business of russian generals? they then simply took people hostage in these caucasian families and then simply received money for the ransom. uh, and this is all under the guise of the kto regime, because they just announced that you were a terrorist, and then you brought them money, and they already said that you are not a terrorist, you can be detained by the court and the investigation, they can listen to your phone without any formal sanction, they can even check your letter. can enter any house, any apartment, you cannot avoid letting them in. in normal life, in moscow, if a policeman comes to you, you have

the law. it is not the right not to let him in, at least in his own apartment, in the regime of a counter-terrorist operation, as you understand, no one will help you, well, and so on, and what are they doing now, they actually declare such a separate state in the border region with ukraine, the bryansk, bilhorodsk and kurtsk regions, that is, whatever they create there, they will create a border between these regions and the rest of russia. they will decide who to let in there, let's say that journalists or some activists there, or some volunteers there who want to help someone there, don't go there, it's a matter of national security, go to voronezh, they may not let you out from there , or release whom they will, or release whoever they want, they can create a special regime for people

from... settlements that were, say, under ukrainian control, or are, if these people want to leave their regions, make them special interrogations, etc., they receive the possibility of any military actions on this territory without any supervision, that is, if they want to use heavy weapons there, burn houses, what else can they do, both the army and the fsb. this is absolutely such an idea, you know, as ivan the terrible had, again, i'm sorry that i i remember the story, there was the territory of the oprichnina, it would not be quiet and peaceful in the territory of the oprichnina, it was the royal territory, everything else that was outside the oprichnina, there the oprichnina could do anything they wanted, even hang you by the legs and cut off everything that they they wanted to cut you off, because this is not an oprichnina, and it is

a method of... governance, but now putin actually rules russia as an oprichnina, and the announcement of a counter-terrorist operation is a form of taking certain regions outside the scope of the oprichnina, in which it will be possible for oprichnina do the whole world, due to the fact that there is such a danger there, ugh, that's all, because what can they think, maybe some local residents cooperated with the ukrainian troops, facilitated the possibility of crossing, maybe there were some local agents.. . fsb services or border troops or in the local authorities, you have to check everything, they are looking for spies all their lives, but besides, they really need no one to create an information vacuum, because these residents are already judges of other cities. , they start going somewhere, they start to rehearse, vladimir vladimirovich, save us, we love you so much, we supported the svo, but

what are you throwing at us... why else should anyone hear this? is it possible there, then, to clear some administrators of local telegram channels there, or to tell them what to write? by the way, you may have noticed that the belgorod telegram channels have undergone a certain evolution from the moment when real combat clashes began there, and up to the present moment, they are trying to act within the framework of the vector set by the regional administration, and now it is still will intensify, and it will be like this from kursk oblast , but now i carefully read the local... telegram channels, sudzhynsk, let's say, but i am sure that they will all be taken into their hands from the very moment, as it was with the telegram channels of the same chabekina, and they cease to be sources of information, because you understand that, these are small local channels that are just sources of information, we have sewage here, we have a bad mayor here, and when shelling starts, they start to write out of inertia: listen, it flew here, we couldn't leave here, here

there are no buses here, we don't have any here. here , local residents say this, they say that, but no one needs this in russia, they should write ukrainians are bastards, the government is wonderful, we thank our governor for helping us, and this is also part of the counter-terrorist operation regime. mr. vitaly, another interesting observation, maybe subjective, but it seems that for the russians, you said that in principle for russia as a state, what is the territory, excuse me. the current kherson, ukrainian- controlled, which is their kursk region, they are absolutely equal, it is all theirs territories, it's just that kherson is now occupied by the ukrainian army, ukrainian quasi- states, so on the other hand, frankly speaking, the greater excitement is a challenge...