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pokrovsk, nataliya biryukova, a journalist of orbita tv channel, svoi internet publication and a resident of mirnograd joins us, we will talk about the evacuation that is ongoing there. mrs. natalya, we congratulate you. good day. actually, the news reports that two more families with children managed to evacuate from front-line myrnograd. how difficult is it now to carry out this evacuation and how many people still remain there? well, actually... it's really not that hard to evacuate, that is the roads are not cut, and next to myzhnograd there is a camp that the enemy wants, to which the enemy wants to enter, to reach, and then it will be difficult to reach myrnograd, and from myrnograd to pokrovsk and precisely to dnipropetrovsk region , you can go further, from pokrovsk it can also be done by train , and by bus, the people of myrnograd are also helped by volunteers, if a week ago i said on your air that 2,500 children remain in myrnograd, then... as of

yesterday, approximately 1,100 children remain in myrnograd, families leave every day, every day it happens, and it is not like, say, in novogrodivka and in grodivka itself. by the way, neither novohrodivka nor hrodivka no longer have children, they were taken away, well, myrnograd is still a living city, but people leave it, eh, people leave it of their own free will, or do volunteers, people who engage in evacuation, persuade, convince, beg? well, i think that there are those who have to be persuaded, but the majority of residents of the donetsk region understand that the russian peace is something that... will completely destroy life, and well, you shouldn't wait that you will sit for months in the basement, well, in my opinion, those people who have children, who also have understanding, who have a job, who plan to leave, maybe with their belongings, are looking for

a place where they can leave it, are looking for work and leave, of course such people will remain, as in avdiivka, there are 100-200 people there, i think that they can stay and live in basements, and what news is coming now about the advance of the front line, or every day these people's news start to scare more and more, and they often ask themselves this the question is, should i continue to stay here, is it possible that i should already think about some kind of departure, or in principle , everyone has already packed these anxious bags, and it will just be a matter of time when these people will leave their... homes, i think that the last thing is that people are already leaving their homes, and everyone has their own peak time, maybe they took the belongings of grandmothers and children there, and those who are still finishing their work are looking for work somewhere, these were the thoughts of the entire western donetsk region immediately

after like obadiah, that is, we all understood that large settlements between avdiivka and myrnohrad are gone, steppes and small villages are now the enemy. is storming grodivka, grodivka is close to mirnograd, and here is the fact that the enemy has reached grodivka, and the fact that we can hear everything, loudly, and the shelling of the city has not decreased, on the contrary, they can be more, people have started leave more actively, well, i think that everyone, for six months, everyone understood that it would be necessary to leave, but everyone hoped that suddenly, suddenly, something would change, mrs. natalya, the population of mirnograd... in 2020, at least such the data was 47,460 people, this is quite a lot, and according to your observations, how many of those people were for ukraine, how many of those people sat and, as they are called zhduns,

waited for the front to advance and for the russian army to come, well, i not ready to say according to my observations, among my friends. uh , there are no zhduns, if we talk about 2020 or the 22nd year, i think that out of 47 thousand, the vast majority were for ukraine, on your broadcast i said that when i was asked such provocative questions, i said that it is possible now people want peace, but this does not mean that people are ready for a change of flags, it's just that everyone would like the houses to survive and that there would be no bombings, but maybe so. well, come on, let's say that the city of avdiivka is also once there were 40 thousand or something like that before the 14th year, of course, that for two years there were a thousand or 2 thousand in the basements, and then

the russian vtr came out, well, how many people there are five and talked about what they are looking for there, they are very happy that the liberators have already arrived, i think that... it is in everyone it can be like that in some places, but i won't say that people stay only because, oh my god, there will be russia soon, what a blessing. mrs. natalya, please tell me, we understand that even the media and you, in particular, as a representative of the media environment, you continue to be in myrnograd, and i understand that, well, the media, for sure, will be the last people who will to leave the city, because until the last they will try to inform people about what is happening, or now at your level? editors, you have to talk about it, think about where to move, because in fact, we understand that in all cities, in donetsk region, even in small towns , there were some internet publications, that is, there were some mass media, and all of them had to curtail their work or

relocate their work somewhere far away, as is the case now looks like in your team? in our team, we have been working for a long time, we work remotely, because our work has been affected three times, so we have such a well-established process that we shot, came home or somewhere, dropped the material and other people edit it there. editors proofread that's right, you need to ask him about the plan of my leadership, well , while we are working, well, that is, so that you understand, the situation in myrnograd and pokrovsk is not the same as, say, in novogrodivka . they chase cars there, that is, it's so dangerous, but we work, and of course the news comes out every day, and every day we tell people, well, how can you leave, leave them and think only about yourself, you know? just recently there was news that mirnogradsky prison for 15 years

convicted a resident of mirnograd, who led, collected data and passed this data on to an fsb employee. so, when you read such news, what do you feel, not just as a journalist, as a resident of mirnograd, as a person, living in mornograd, could work for the benefit of the russian army, which later this same one. myrnograd is not turning into a peaceful city at all. well, look, i might not have a popular opinion, i have anger towards such a man, it's true, well, anger will pass and towards the authorities that did not deal with this, why? why was it necessary to erase half a centimeter in order to find it later, why is it so difficult, this city is a millionaire, there were 47 thousand in peacetime, how many people are there now? these are surely the questions that we have to voice when we will, when

the war ends, why, why some people could act in favor of the enemy, and why these actions somehow remained unnoticed for a long time. nataliya biryukova, journalist of the arbita tv channel, online edition of svoi, was in touch with us , we talked about how the evacuation is taking place in myrnograd, which is very close. russian army, let's go for a short one pause, let's come back and talk about what is happening in the bakhmut direction. stay with us. when you sleep on an uneven surface, the spine takes the wrong position, because you cannot feel energetic in the morning and productive during the day, and with the matrik stopper you will forget that you are sleeping on an imperfect surface. order a tope for a comfortable sleep at an affordable price. more and more ukrainian families choose the mattrik topper, which comes in a convenient package

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kara nebesna unmanned aerial vehicles of the fourth brigade of operational assignment rubij of the national guard of ukraine. adding to our ether. mr. andriy, we congratulate you. good day studio, good day viewers, i apologize in advance if the internet is bad. we understand, are you in the bakhmut direction now? on lymanskyi. on lymanskyi. what is your situation, please tell me. the situation is tense enough, there were assaults with equipment in some areas, but all assaults were repelled. the enemy is trying to storm our positions quite actively, because he now needs to, regardless. to the fact that the reserves are trying to move to the kurdish direction, he now needs to get some certain results as efficiently and quickly as possible, so that we need to move our reserves from the kursk, from the kursk operation, accordingly, they are storming, trying to do something, but they have absolutely nothing going for them, in fact , in the direction where the line brigade is holding the defense, we destroy their personnel and

we destroy sufficiently qualitatively, mr. andriy, please tell me whether there is a certain decrease now. the intensity of the enemy's attacks considering the fact that he now has to transfer his reserves to the kurdish direction and actually some specific units, perhaps from your direction are also transferred there, in general, how has the situation become a little easier now, or has absolutely nothing changed since then? nothing has changed and i will say, even the enemy attacks in some cases even more actively, because he needs to pull our reserves off course. territory, here he is thinks that if he is able to get some certain achievements through offensive operations and his huge losses, we will withdraw our reserves from the course operation, which in principle is quite logical, if they knew how to fight not just with meat and the amount and amount of ammunition, etc., but with the head, i.e.

they storm in some cases quite qualitatively and nevertheless sufficiently well thought out, but nevertheless most of them are... storms are storms and they are quite meaty and i will tell you more, there is a huge number of fighters of the russian federation are currently surrendering, due to the fact that their moral and psychological state is low enough, well, accordingly, they are surrendering to the fighters of the border brigade, but recently a fighter surrendered who simply surrendered to a copter, he saw the copter, knelt down , prayed and decided to follow the copter, that's how he directly saved his life and... got into polon to the defense forces of ukraine, and do you know what he continued to say there after he got to polon? er, maybe i know, maybe i don't know, but c in principle, i cannot share such information, i cannot tell about it, in principle , he did not tell us anything in particular, except that he told us that they were completely

unmotivated, that many of them did not know what they were fighting for, of course, that the majority of they fight for money, that is, ideology as such... they do not have, for example, such ideology as the wagners had, or was at the beginning of the 22nd year, when a huge number of russians there said that they were going to liberate someone from someone , there is no such thing anymore, and now they are they just fight for money, you mentioned that they fight with meat, they don't have such an intellectual impulse in how to organize it all to lose people less, well, unfortunately, their resource allows them not to count losses. and this is a big problem for us, because unlike the enemy, we have a very limited resource, and we take into account human losses, including how we somehow manage to get this parity, so that, despite the fact that the enemy is stronger, the enemy is bigger, he has more resource, to fight him back, and two the main arguments are willpower and understanding

of what we are fighting for, the actual spirit in wars has always taken much more. role than number, at least we can remember the legend about 300 spartans who fulfilled their combat task with sufficient quality, here we can remember the fighters of krutians, who in the number of approximately 360 men restrained muravyov's army, which consisted of about 500 military personnel of the then russia, and actually the same situation is happening now, that is , quantity does not always mean quality and not always quantity means spirit and ideality, and in fact spirit always trumps quantity in any case. and modern technologies, to the extent that they now play a key role in the ability to resist such. against a strong enemy, modern technologies definitely play into our hands, for example, there is information that the defense forces of ukraine already use robops,

roughly speaking, that is, such robotic scout dogs that perform tasks and convey certain information, this is a rather cool innovation, plus the defense forces of ukraine the fighters of the rubizh brigade are also developing quickly enough, including that we are already destroying russian scouts. at the expense of fp-copters, we destroy helicopters at the expense of fp-copters, we fly 1,500-1,700 km into the depths of russia with our unmanned aircraft complexes, create robotic equipment, etc., that is, this is the best indicator that we are developing and developing sufficiently qualitatively, that is, in fact - the level of development of ukraine over the past two years, it is impressive, it is extremely powerful, and it will only grow. and you can clarifying the question, you just mentioned this group of dogs. i have only seen these in movies, and it would be very interesting to see these inventions live, and how do they help on the front, what tasks can they perform?

in principle, the best use of them is for reconnaissance tasks, due to the fact that they are quiet enough, and in them you cannot hear how the motor is working conditionally, etc., you cannot hear how the wheels or the pulley are turning, accordingly, they move quite quietly, and they are difficult in principle to see due to the fact that they are small, i.e. they have intelligence data. the best plus they can deal with logistical tasks, that is, they have a certain basis, the loads that they can carry, accordingly, they can be loaded and they will be used already as logistics and such ot logistical transport, roughly speaking, that is , in fact, everything depends on her mind and logic and somehow i don't know the artistic thinking of the actual operator who comes up with how to apply this or that robotic technique. on the battlefield, well, look, for example, i just found information that these robops are manufactured by a british company brit alliance, can we, for example,

or do you think ukrainian it companies can somehow compete with british companies and do something similar, or maybe we are already doing something similar, it’s just that it’s not advertised so much now, and about that it is simply not known at all, the military-industrial complex does an extraordinary number of these... things that are not done at all, at the moment, in the future, 100% of the situation will change, and more and more civilians will learn about it, and actually you you can't even imagine how many curiosities and various interesting things are really created in ukraine and developed in ukraine and are already used on the battlefield, so i am more confident that we will also be able to create similar things, maybe even in some ways better, in some ways worse, because the fact that... patented things, yes, in principle, it is quite ugly to copy, and we will make something of our own, something better, i am sure that ukrainian engineers will come up with

some alternative directions in this, in this direction, and this is very cool, or everything to you that's enough now, mr. andriy, has the situation changed in any way due to the fact that ukraine finally received help, and how much it has made your life easier, if you look at it from the point of view of ammunition... then it will never be enough, ideally we we need, i don’t know, 450 million ammunition, of all calibers, because the russians have 150 million, two sniper rifles, one whole, as they say, here, in that case, of course, everything would be enough, everything would be enough, but it is unrealistic, so this will not be enough, regarding fpv copters, uavs, etc., of course, that is also not enough, but you need to do everything in comparison, that is, if in an ideal world, it would be cool if there were a million pieces and so on, but if you compare with what was six months ago and now, then the fighters of the frontier brigade,

for example , are much better equipped with fpv copters and artillery shells, even compared six months ago and now, and this is a very good trend, i hope that it will grow, that is, there are changes, they are quite positive, it is very important that this growth, it is not decreased simply, and please tell me your sub. section deals only with unmanned aerial vehicles such as fpv drones, do you also fly on wings and what are the specifics of their use, people call them wings, these are such modern large drones, if ukrainians remember the first days of the war, we remember this word bayraktar, and well, if you look at the plus-minus there visually, then there is something plus-minus somewhere, whether you also use it in your unit and what it gives on the battlefield, we don't use it. rectors, because it is an extremely complex system that needs a sufficiently powerful one training, but there are reconnaissance birds, relatively

speaking, of a local type and strategy. type, that is actually those that fly at 2-5 km, those that fly at 30-40 km, that is actually wings, they are usually used to find targets at a long distance, so that it is possible, relatively speaking , to find targets for some large means that can destroy the enemy, local reconnaissance, it is done on maviks, autels, etc., in order to again find targets such as infantry, mortars, etc., and then already there either pilots can fly out with a reset or... in half-wings in order to destroy them, everything works communicatively enough, everything works well enough, and again, this is another indicator of how much we have grown in this war, because that we have learned to use our means as rationally as possible and at the same time get the greatest possible result from it, which is very, very good. mr. andriy, russians, they are also the kind that make mistakes somewhere, but then they start to do the work very quickly

over your mistakes, is there... something that they take from you, and they constantly take something from us, we constantly take something from them, you need to understand that they are a much more prepared opponent than ukraine, as at the beginning of the war , as well as now, they have much more means of intelligence, they have much more means of radio-electronic warfare, radio-electronic intelligence, etc., that is, this is a country that was preparing for a big war, and therefore we have a lot to learn from them. and it is basically not something there shameful, bad, etc., we have a powerful adversary who inflicts enough damage and damage on us at the expense of his own, again, development, so we always learn from each other, and as i said, this is a war of innovations, it is extremely important to be the first in time in one direction or another, you are definitely discussing with your brothers what is happening in kursk oblast, if you can say something, we literally have a few... minutes

left, ukraine, which has such a strong opponent, which has been preparing for so long war, how did we manage to do it, what are you talking about, and first of all, i think every soldier is jealous of those cossacks who are currently on the kurshchyna, here, i wish them luck, i hope that the lions will be alive and healthy and will show an excellent result, the second is a perfect example of informational silence, in fact any operation can be successful if you don't talk about it and don't shout about it for six months. and we can now see the result of all this, and the third is an extremely high level in principle of the preparedness of this operation and personnel, which brought a very a good result, which brings very good results at the moment, we will see what will happen next, but again you need to understand that this operation is quite difficult, and the guys there are also unfortunately suffering losses, so you don't need to be in complete euphoria, you need to be cold

analyze. i really hope that this operation will benefit us and bring us exactly the goals that our commanders from above want to achieve. thank you, mr. andrii. thank you for your work and for these words, which bring down a little those who may be flying to heaven somewhere the land it was andriy, our father, the commander of the crew of the kara nebesna unmanned aerial vehicles of the fourth brigade of the operational assignment of the frontiers of the national guard of ukraine from the lymansky direction, he was joining us, dear friends. well, it's already 3 p.m. on the clock, which means that news time has passed, and lesya and i are handing over the floor to our colleague anieva melnyk, who with the news editors are already ready to inform us about all the most important things as of this moment. colleague, we congratulate you and ask you to reveal to us a little what we managed to find out and what this will be about release greetings, colleagues, thank you for your work, the newsroom continues to work, we will tell you about the main thing for this hour. i will start this issue

with why muscovites. left in kharkiv region, and you will learn more in the issue itself, stay with us. russia withdrew from the cossack centurion in the kharkiv region, and was also forced to transfer part of the troops. from the vovchansky and lipetsk directions to kurshchyna, the head of the military administration of the region, oleg sinyohobov, told the public about this in a comment to the public. at the same time, the enemy continues intensively to storm these areas of the front, but the armed forces of ukraine manage to hold the kharkiv front line, the official concluded. strengthen the units of the ukrainian defenders in the donetsk and toreets directions with the incoming equipment.