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we will also talk about money, and before we talk about money, i remind you about the assembly, we are on the air for another half hour, you can to fill up and make the situation a little better than it was at the beginning of etru, then we only had 3000 hryvnias added to our collection, i hope that now there will be more, look now at the qr code on your screens, see who is collecting for. we are collecting for drones and repsystems, things that will protect the lives of our military, we are already close to the first million, we have less than 70 thousand left for this, but if you donate a few thousand more, then we will already be 60 thousand away from the first our million of the 3.5 required, so now scan the qr code which see on the screen, there is only a qr code, no card number. and transfer your hryvnias

as much as you think necessary, but if you don’t know how to scan, you can just take a picture of your screen and then show someone that qr code and say: listen, do a good deed, transfer, you have 10 hryvnias, and you transfer 10 hryvnias from your card, or maybe more, in a word, we will be grateful for every hryvnia to you, and we are now adding oleksiy honcharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, mr. oleksiy, to our airwaves, congratulations, glory ukraine. glory to the heroes, i would like to ask you, mr. oleksiy, whether our government officials are already planning to start work on our estimate for next year and what is currently emerging in this estimate. mr. oleksiy, can you hear us? yes, do we have any problems? mr. oleksiy, can

you hear us, please tell me, we are under the impression that something has happened to the internet of oleksiy goncharenko, the people's deputy. ukraine, now let's try to reconnect and talk about the budget of ukraine, by which we will live. yes, actually, we want to also to understand when our parliamentarians will return to the session hall, when they will start working, because there are certain unverified, currently at the level of rumors, data that our people's deputies can return to work on august 19 in the session hall, and... we are now at the stage of what, well, at the stage of what we expect, when will the parliamentarians' work finally begin, mr. oleksiy, can you hear us, by the way, about the parliamentarians' work, now you hear me, we

now hear you, great, then please tell me when the people's deputies will return to session hall, when we will already see their work there, what, what to hear? breaking news for you, it seems that today we were confirmed that we will start work on monday, august 19, indeed, that the verkhovna rada is not meeting for the fourth week, for reasons that are completely incomprehensible to me, or rather, very clear to me, but these reasons are very far from the state of necessity, these are reasons related to the struggle within zelenskyi's team, with the fact that part of the leadership of the servant of the people faction is trying to help preserve itself. to prime minister denis shmyhal, i don't know how it will all end, we will see next week, but in order to determine that shmyhal could not be fired, they decided that it would be better to cancel the council meeting for a certain time. next week we finally go back to work on monday, we

are expected, we are waiting for the law banning the moscow church, well, it is not a church, but a cell of the fsb, of course, and this is a very important bill. next, i hope we will consider my bill. a project about stopping the madness with the appeal of the young guys, 18-25 years old sick people, because we have some kind of crazy situation now that the healthy ones are not mobilized at this age, the sick ones are mobilized, this must be stopped, and in general there are a lot of other issues that need to be solved, you say that this break in work in the session hall was not at all connected with the vote for the draft law on ukrainian orthodox church, and through mr. shmegal? yes, i think that 's the point, well, we'll see for ourselves next week, if the question about the moscow church is voted on on tuesday, which i hope will happen, that numbered by the votes of the servants of the people, because without their

votes it is in principle impossible, then this will mean that this whole story, all these four weeks that the verkhovna rada did not work, that really the only purpose of this was... to save the prime minister - minister denis shmegal, because in july zelensky made a decision to replace shmegal, however, during this time, shmegal developed various and good relations, including with davyd arahamiu, the head of the servant of the people faction and generally with the servant of the people faction in the verkhovna rada, and they began to put such sticks in the wheels of the implementation of this decision, and as a way to get out. without conflict, if this issue were to be dragged on, it would be best if you decided not to work, because there is no council, no dismissal, actually, that's all, remember this children's story, there are no pens, there is no cooking, but they have about the same story decided

to arrange, well, did they manage to change zelenskyi's opinion during this time, or on the contrary, he will press it, we will see with you next week, and what is wrong with zelenskyi? it's hard to say, but somehow zelensky decided to clean up the mess, maybe he decided on him, how even such a certain tsa happened to be translated into many things, you look every day there is a scandal, today is another one, suspicion of nabu, sab for illegal enrichment, there is more than uah 50 million in the next one, the head of the antimonopoly committee , kyrylenko, well, let me remind you, kyrylenko was submitted to the verkhovna rada. it was mr. shmyhal, but it is clear that it was not mr. shmyhal who selected him, but kyrilenko , the president’s office and zelensky personally, but it is very convenient to transfer everything to someone, well, because the number of corruption scandals, others, the mess with the protection of the energy industry and in general with the energy industry in the state, which was especially

felt in july by the citizens of ukraine, well, all this required some steps, and zelensky wanted to put this vitar as such a step, which means that shmyhal should make a sacrifice . it is obvious that shmyhal was an obedient prime minister to zelensky. well, maybe zelensky wanted even more obediently. maybe i just want to change the picture, as one of the main candidates for the position of shmegal, at that time the first vice-premier sviri denko was considered, but what will happen now, we'll see. mr. oleksiyu, i also wanted to ask you if the parliamentarians somehow have a vision of what to do with raising taxes, because your colleague, people's deputy yaroslav zheliznya, says that there are currently no votes in the council for the plan to raise taxes from the cabinet of ministers. and this draft law has been postponed for consideration, but we understand that the money will not find itself,

and if we need an additional half a trillion hryvnias for the defense industry, then this money will not be taken anywhere by itself, of course it would be good to listen to our partners and shake up the ukrainian customs and not only the customs, but how will we get out of this situation, well, on the one hand, it is good that people's deputies do not want to vote for tax increases. because the ukrainian people probably won't take it, but on the other hand , we need to somehow find a solution to this problem? well, i wouldn't be in a hurry about whether the deputies want it or not, well, the fact that this crazy bill will completely destroy the ukrainian economy is a fact, so it must be stopped by all means possible, because , in my opinion, it will not lead to an increase in revenues to the state budget, but to their decrease, in the end, there will simply be a part of the economy closed, thousands of people will lose... jobs, thousands more people will leave the country , which already suffers from a catastrophic

demographic situation, and so on, but our government, for him, complex schemes are not for them, to fight the shadow economy, it is also not for them, to fight corruption, so the main thing here is not to go out on our own yourself, you understand, that's why it's easiest to just multiply the taxes there several times and try to collect more, although it's crazy, but... i wouldn't rush to say that this bill has disappeared somewhere, because we'll see if they don't push it through at the last minute , let me remind you that , no matter how hard they fought, they managed to push through the fuel excise tax increase, the only reason why this law did not enter into force was my resolution, by which i blocked their signing of this law, but that's it they cannot fail this resolution for the same reasons as you and i discussed in the first part of our that the verkhovna rada is not going to, but still they were able to push through this issue, so

i think that it is quite possible that they will return to this issue of raising taxes, in fact, it is necessary to really deal with the shadow economy, the fight against corruption and unjustified expenses, including in the same ministry of defense, because when they tell us, here the army of the ministry of defense brought us another note for 53 hryvnias, please take it out and put it, well, okay, and tomorrow they will bring it for... a trillion, what are we going to do, it's not about the salaries of actually military personnel, other necessary things, this is about the fact that we need to put order in the ministry of defense, we have tens of thousands of people over 50 years old, of limited fitness and so on in the army, who have no military use, these people can be would be to release them into the economy so that they continue to work as drivers, tractor drivers, construction workers and so on, instead we pay them... without combat allowances, but still a salary, instead we deal with their organization, well, without

a meaningful one and so on , that's all in my estimation worth at least 100 billion uah. here are colossal funds that could be released, people could be sent home and their lives preserved, instead these people are put at risk of death, which, god forbid, when it happens, it also creates the need to pay 15 million uah and so on , well... if all this is multiplied, then it shows the complete insanity in terms of financial planning of expenses and economics that has driven ours. you say that it is necessary to fight corruption, but look, they detained oleksandr hale, who was deputy minister of energy herman galushchenko was detained because he burned $500,000 on a bribe, and... it was later found out that he became a co-owner of a crimean company after the annexation of crimea,

his relative maria, who also worked at state-owned enterprises, received funds from a manufacturer of equipment for mines and immediately handed them over to hale, and his wife yana, a judge in donetsk, was in the annexed crimea for months despite her position, and nevertheless, he became deputy minister of energy herman gurucha, there are more hales in our government, that's how we found out about hale because he ... fell for a bribe, and if he had been a little smarter there, it means everything else that you listed, and how did such a person become the deputy minister of energy in the first place, that's a simple question, and how many of them are there... such a feeling , that every second one is like that there, if not every one at all, because it’s all an endless number of scandals, corruption, inefficiency, and also the possible work of a rookie, it’s just amazing, well, just amazing, it’s during an existential war for all of us, well and how can we check these people who get into the government, who have

some strange train, well, we had checks before the full-scale invasion, we just about... i talked about this yesterday with the anti-corruption officer martyna bogoslavyts, but she said that now these checks have been suspended for the time of martial law, when people enter such high positions, can parliament somehow restore this procedure? it may be necessary, but look, in fact, do you really think that when hale was appointed, this is what you are saying now, it was a secret that his wife is a judge in donetsk, that you can simply check very simply her departures for the boundary for... power it's absolutely no problem doesn't pose any problem and so on, i 'm sure all this was known, i'm pretty sure that hale was appointed as the man on the hook, who would follow all instructions, and the fact that he took a bribe of 500 dollars there, and are we sure with you that he took it only for himself, i am not, thank you, mr.

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about the draft law on raising taxes? today, this topic is such a red line through the entire ether, and those with whom we talk, well, say that this is not the best idea to replenish the budget, that it would be better to bring the business out of the shadows? in fact, you are quite right, this issue has been troubling ukrainian business ever since the government actually introduced this draft law to the parliament, because the whole business believes that, at least the members of our union, are speaking out against an unreasonable increase in taxes, where the main source, in fact, additional filling of the budget will be the business that in... already works in white, already works transparently and already pays taxes . accordingly, the main question here is that, the business says that it is necessary to look for

other sources of filling the state budget, such as reducing expenses, somehow detinizing the economy, and not doing what is very easy to do, there is already a business that works and pays taxes, let's make a milk carton out of this business, that's how you look, you know, at school, when the second-year students and the second-year students do something, and the second-year students answer , the first-year students say, well, what about us, those second-year students ask them, they say, well , what can you take from the binary, and you know, here the question is probably that everyone perfectly understands that we need to finance the army and we need to finance the armed forces, and ukrainian business that works transparently and pays taxes, and is sufficiently socially responsible. at the same time, if we speak about social responsibility and a fair approach, it is probably completely unfair, yes, it is to increase the burden on the business that

already pays, and at the same time the state itself does not try to reduce its expenses, and does not look for other sources of filling the same state, these expenses for the army by reducing certain programs that are there, looking at them to see if they are effective or if they give the desired result. are they actually needed now during martial law, so here the question is not only, not only what to point fingers at someone, here rather the question is that if we still want and must win this war, we must be very reasoned and very careful about making any decisions that are factual, that are complex, that have strategic importance. we really need the ukrainian business to work, which exists and pays taxes, and any ill-conceived decision, additional tax burden

can lead not only to the fact that the business will begin to cut back and will begin to work less efficiently and will not be able to be there competitive on foreign markets, it can lead to the further shadowing of ukrainian business, because in order to survive part of it. business will have to go into the shadows. we agree and understand that the state should create some incentives for the shadow business to go to work in the white, in particular, there are currently many discussions regarding possible economic reservation, for which, in fact, there is no consensus and majority in the adoption of this decision, because it is called unfair , but the thought that in the given circumstances in which we live, there can be no fair solutions. there can only be those solutions that bring results and are effective. can economic reservation be an incentive to go out to work in the dark and an incentive for business and... some kind of,

you know, confidence that tomorrow their business will not fall apart because there will be no one to work, and there are two important things here aspects, you have raised a very valid topic, in fact everything related to mobilization and reservation is the second issue that is bothering the business now after raising taxes, because especially such a business as technological, technological business is a business that is known as intensive, with intensive... human capital, that is, it is a business where in fact the tools of labor are people, and people actually create, create this product, not even machines, accordingly, it is very important for the business to have this predictability and understanding of how many employees or how many people the business can count on, while this is the first aspect, the second important aspect when we talk about detinization,

detinization is not only about creating incentives for businesses to exit the wall, it is also about the work of law enforcement and control bodies, it is about restarting the work of the bureau of eco-economic security effectively, it is about the work of law enforcement agencies that are engaged in, should not be engaged in now and should not concentrate on raids or not by investigative actions in relation to a business that works transparently and white-handed, actually engage in that business that evades in... paying taxes, work in markets that are sensitive and problematic in excise markets products, work with the reform of customs and the collection of customs payments, because they are also a source of filling the state budget, work with the administration of actual taxes, and the way in which businesses actually pay these taxes, that is, there are quite a large number of different aspects that relate properly to noy there detinization,

this can also include finally the adoption and approach, the adoption of legislation that concerns the work of self-employed persons. self-employed persons are taxi drivers, they are drivers, these are the same couriers, these are people who actually work as tutors and others, that is, there is a sufficiently large number of issues that can be considered and worked on in order to first create... transparent, transparent work rules for business, second - take business out of the shadows, and this is not only about incentives, because there is a business that deliberately works in the shadows, and the state also needs to fight with this part, and you are right here in the context of economic reservation, and it is very important for business to have the ability to book your critical workers is very important. already

now, what works is booking, i.e. a digitized approach to booking critical employees, employees in critical enterprises important for the economy, this mechanism has already simplified the situation a little, since business can make reservations without actually involving and without meeting with government officials , but we are talking about what really needs to be introduced in addition to the existing mechanism. the mechanism of booking by the business of employees that are critical for it, and here we can talk about different approaches to this reservation, whether it will depend on the amount of the employee's salary, whether it will depend on the amount of taxes paid or military service, yes ms. natalya, we understand, we understand, but unfortunately, we have to finish already, nataliya mykolska, executive director of united, deputy minister of economy of development and trade,

trade representative... from 2015 to 18 and research fellow at stanford university from 18 to 19. lesya and i are already saying goodbye to you for today, take care, but stay with espresso, there is more to come a lot of interesting information from our colleagues. greetings to everyone from espresso, i'm at yavomelnyk and this is the news. russia is attacking ukraine. explosions rang out in zaporizhzhia. the head of the region, ivan fedorov, warned about the threat of aerial bombs. after that , an air raid alert was sounded in the city, but immediately after 15 minutes , sirens were turned on again in the city and

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