from the production of spare parts, maintenance, logistics, everything else, 10 billion us dollars, this is the price that poland pays only once for the supply of russian helicopters, plus they buy a bunch of f-16s, plus they buy a huge amount of weapons there, europe pays a huge price for the possible an attack from the side from russia, europe does not want this war, european business does not want this war, and therefore... even now, in the 11th year of the war , european politicians are dominated by such a very easy compromise opinion that it can be resolved war in a diplomatic format, you can get guarantees that russia will not attack, or come on , let's wait, literally a decade will pass and russia will change, that is , physiologically, putin cannot be eternal, he is now over 70, in 10-15 years, he will already be a person who is unlikely or... can open the door

on his own, well, obviously, these are the attitudes, these are the attitudes, everyone is afraid of getting involved in a long-term war. thank you, mr. oleksiy, mr. volodymyr, biden commented for the first time on the situation in kurtshchyna and said that it creates a real dilemma for putin, we direct, constant contact with the ukrainians, that's all i'm going to say about it while it's all in an active phase, and what's putin's dilemma now? mr. volodymyr, unfortunately, unfortunately, volodymyr prysenko seems to have left the program, unfortunately, mr. oleksiy, what, what dilemma, what dilemma is biden talking about when he says that putin now has a dilemma, that is, to fight or not to fight , or any, or is it some other dilemma? well, actually, i wouldn't want us to underestimate. howled putin, despite all this

, a man who has been in power for almost 25 years years, in the position of president and prime minister, at the same time he held fairly high positions in the russian fsb. that is, i think he perfectly understands tactical steps and strategic steps, and it is quite obvious that he understands that strategically he will lose, and when western politicians now say that ukraine has already won, these are not compliments to the address of ukraine. this is also a somewhat realistic assessment of the situation, because putin is now forced to observe that irreversible processes are taking place in the russian economy, and the russians are already speaking loudly about this bankers, that the economy is overheated, there are problems, trade with china is under big questions, so, well, under big questions, every transaction succeeds enough because of serious problems, because...

chinese banks are vulnerable to american sanctions, by the way, questions of sanctions, the entire list is far from exhaustive, because just as before, as weapons are given to us in dosed quantities and in terms of technical indicators, as permits for the use of weapons are given dosed, exactly the same applies to sanctions, measure gives measure applies sanctions very carefully and very slowly, and putin perfectly understands that... every step, he hits russia hard enough. well, let's see, let's say there is a russian car industry. 92% of new cars are made by the chinese auto industry on the russian market. russia is losing entire markets, these are serious enough things. well, and again, putin perfectly understands that there are problems with mobilization, quite serious, and now they are already exhausting important influences, that is, the sums of one-time payments have risen to ee. extremely large

figures, i.e. in moscow the lifts for the mobilized 23 thousand dollars, in the provinces from 5 to 10 thousand dollars, a few weeks ago the presidential decree in the region of 6 thousand dollars for the first year of service for contractors, quite serious numbers, and now they are making a decision that people who are under investigation can mobilize, well, get under amnesty, that is, they have already gone through the details. financial levers and other levers have already been used for small things, and putin perfectly understands that the question of large-scale mobilization is a question, it is a question of time, this question may not even be six months, in the coming months, as he perceives society, this is another story, so far it has a good situation with this, because there are no protests and we do not even see isolated protests of the mothers of the dead today, and again we see... isolated actions of her in the province,

that is authorities of vladikavkaz there , some local public organizations are raising a panic that the nation is dying. a huge number of losses of young people in the war, well, these are isolated actions, that is, everything is more or less calm for him, he received a serious reputational blow, but he understands that in the future, if we look at the perspective of one year plus, then these problems accumulate both in the economy, and depending on our current partners, and in the issue of mobilization. thank you, mr. oleksiy, friends, i would like to remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube platforms. and facebook, for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please don't forget to like this video to help it trend on youtube, and take part in our survey, today we ask you: will the servant of the people party support the banning of the roc in ukraine, yes no, if you are on youtube or yes

or no, if you want to leave a comment, please write under this video, if you are watching on tv, you can vote with a smartphone or phone, the numbers on the screen . tv 0800-21381, if you believe that the servant of the people party will support the ban of the roc in ukraine and 0800-211-382, if you think the servant of the people party does not support this decision regarding the ban of the roc in ukraine. and we are joined by another expert, valery dymov, political scientist, director of the center for public information technologies forum. mr. valery, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, thank you for inviting me, and we are still in touch with oleksiy koshel, doctor of historical sciences, political scientist, head of the committee of voters of ukraine. mr. valery, in the first part of our program, we have already gone through the kurdish special operation, the consequences, the results, and how it

may affect putin and his team, well , respectively, and what is gained in this case ukraine, how the world reacts to this... operation, but we see that next to this kurdish special operation, which is already being commented on quite actively in the ukrainian information space, referring to ukrainian officials, we see that there are quite serious internal challenges for zelensky, in addition to external ones, we see corruption, cases of bribery, we see an investigation into the head of the antimonopoly committee, pavlo kyrylenko, because the sap announced. suspecting him of illegal enrichment for 56 million hryvnias and declaring unreliable information, he there he bought apartments during the war, cars, well, in a word, a fairly large list of what pavlo kirylenko acquired,

the day before, deputy minister of energy oleksandr hale was arrested for bribery, and he is accused of receiving or receiving 500,000 dollars. how do you assess the current situation for zelenskyi's team in domestic politics, i.e. not in external and non-external threats, internal threats and the internal front, well one of them is the most corrupt, well zelenskyy himself once wanted to tame corruption in fact, to treason, you remember, but it only concerned his rhetoric and transferring cases. from nabu and from the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office to the sbu controlled by him, not everything is in order in the sbu either, our partners want the sbu to deal only with security issues, but you see, they don't let go of economic crimes because of all these declarations , all these departments for the protection of national

statehood, do you remember the ones running around somewhere with 30 people each, spending millions in order to prove something that the journalists were innocent in those investigations. against the corrupt, not the corrupt, they are going to catch, well, i don't see any threats to zelensky, that is, rather, as i see it, but they don't see them, because we don't have elections, there is no pressure from society under the conditions of the law on the legal regime of martial law , well , cash registers don’t come out of the box, did n’t all these kyrylenkas, all these heads of those deputies of the ministry of economy, didn’t they have to pass some checks there, didn’t those who appointed them know what... was happening there, pay attention, for example, in the case of the deputy minister, in fact, the head of the state mine calmly, excuse me, takes out a half-half-half-lemon in cash and simply gives it to the deputy minister, well, excuse me, by the way, this is the pokrovsky direction, it is

actually there now what crazy actions for for them, this is a normal topic, half a million heads of the state office can whisper to the deputy minister , excuse me, drool, that’s how they call this kind of thing, isn’t it, isn’t it... there is no inter-economic department of the economic department, the financial department, control management, the fight against corruption, if our viewers do not know, then in every ministry there is a curator of the sbu type, except for them... those antimonopoly officers who were appointed even before, i am not saying now umerov, before umerov, except against them as well there wasn't a criminal case, didn't we have problems with the near-port plant, didn't we actually have a problem, well, in fact , departments in which there were no problems, all these thousands of officials who should fight corruption, they don't find it, and journalists find, not only that, but later journalists are hiding, or yuria nikolova is trying to scare him somewhere on the street with an agenda, although in reality the situation is completely different. with mobilization, rather than just intimidating these people, well, one journalist saw in the ministry of defense what they saw all

these thousands of people who receive this salary, do you think that people believe in something that no one knows, perfectly well everyone understands, well, what should officials do who actually did not feel any catharsis after a large-scale rejection, their successful practice continues to steal, they have nothing more and they don't know how, all these attitudes that pavla kirolenko, that's kyril tymoshenko, so... do you remember the face of the year in 22, who was first removed because he was completely tainted there, and then he returned because of the alleged cleaning, now manages the entire information policy of the defense forces, not even of the ministry of defense, all his activities boil down to calling everything a russian ipso, something is happening somewhere, if you take the energy sector at the southern ukrainian nuclear power station, hlushchenko is lying to the whole world, they are lying to the ukrainians and everyone are called in russian pso, that's all their work, only you say something. this is russian, only the journalist found something that hundreds of thousands of officials, well, tens of thousands

of officials did not see, well, he also works for russia, isn’t that what malyar said, when the same nikolov had 17 eggs in the ministry of defense, well, he explained to a certain extent, i saw something that no one in the ministry of defense saw, by the way, they released the head of the procurement department, they also released another head of the department, only the deputy minister remained, but i think that he they will also say that the millions that were... in his sofa, he bought together with the sofa, just as they said that the head of the supreme court of princes kept his money in a safe, it was not his money, of course, that it is not his money, because the decision is made collegially, that is why the same prince had to share with many people from this very panel of judges, well, won't the western partners see this, by the way, they are asking our donors, our sponsors, those who finance half of our budget, and because of salaries or? officials and most of this

pension funds, the social insurance fund, from unemployment there and so on, they asked, do not appoint the accountant pishchanska to the position of the audit service, the head of the audit, which of the accounting chamber, i apologize, who has to count the money, including those the money that the west gives to our ukrainian budget, no, texas banks should be robbed only by the texas government, our people said. and appointed, well, your government, the servants of the people, and after the meeting with zelenskyi, they appointed ms. zelen, ms. pishchanska as the head accounting chamber, and it is still counting how our money with yours through the budget finances the same kyril tymoshenko, through the rada channel, which buys content from a private structure with our money, well, we don't have enough time, but they are not afraid, that's why that there are no elections, and i will remind our viewers that last year, last year, ukraine bought cars. more premium than before the large-scale invasion, all these €150 00 bmws are people who are now at zero,

they have 7.5 years of not eating, not sleeping, being on zero and not feed themselves or their families and can buy for themselves, thank you, you are right, you just took it off my tongue that you can talk about it forever, and i just can't understand how a person who in in 2019 , she went to the nsc olympic and... she became her competitor with petro poroshenko, why do all your friends still walk with both hands, how is she now, or zelensky in 2019 would ask zelensky, a sample of the 24th year, why all of zelensky’s friends walk with with both hands, mr. oleksiy, the concentration of great power, monopoly power, it implies mono-responsibility, i.e.... it turns out that monopolies, as mr. valery said, are robbed only by those who are cowboys

of texas, only cowboys of texas, in this situation they themselves are controlled, between robbing and themselves, apparently, surrendering, as with herman hlushchenko this story with this hale, that the minister of energy knew about it, but the minister of energy was apparently given tapes, which recorded hale's conversations with his partners, where he said that now the minister will go to kharkiv, maybe he will be fired upon somewhere, either please, when mr. valery was enumerating. this a long long list, but i was just thinking, but realistically, this indicator is only half a percent, a percent, maybe 2% of the scale of corruption that takes place, that is, corruption is everywhere, it is extremely large-scale, we spend during the war, but i don’t i am afraid of this word, tens of billions of dollars

are stolen through corruption holes at various levels, well, at least before the war, i came across a figure that only... these 8 billion are lost only through gray schemes, i am not talking about smuggling, only through gray schemes, and to my great regret, father our western partners understand and set demands for us, let me remind you that just a week ago, penny pritzker, who still remains in the position of special representative for the economic recovery of ukraine, who directly said that not taxes, but cigarettes, is the market. shadow circle, excise goods, alcohol, oil products and customs reform. here, your dear money, it was directly said. a few days ago, the minister of finance of the united states announced that budget funding will depend on the implementation reforms our partners are already shouting at us,

telling us to look for the money, it is inside. but in reality, when you... all these scales of corruption, i emphasize again, only in individual demonstrative cases, we only see the surface part, it remains unclear, let's say, despite a good percentage of trust in the authorities on the part of the citizens of ukraine, well, actually i'm very happy there regardless of party affiliation, actually i'm very glad that during the war the level of trust in the authorities remains quite high, but... the responsibility for corruption, responsibility for failures, for untimely decision-making, for low-quality decisions, for incompetence, unprofessionalism, on the part of citizens, this responsibility, they do not critically evaluate the government, for example, citizens collect 100 hryvnias for drones, for slaves, for anything another thing, and instead of coming to the cabinet of ministers and saying:

stop the nonsense here, here and here tens of billions of hryvnias that can be saved literally today for tomorrow. they won't come to the door of the city hall and say: it's not us who should give off 100 hryvnias per slave, but you should stop building, asphalting, putting sidewalks, parks, squares and a lot of other nonsense, well, i think that there is a huge problem in this, that we need now during the war, but don't play games, you spoke out against the authorities, this is already a russian ipso , these games need to be stopped, we need a critical attitude towards... and in fact we need to keep the power in such tough hands. thank you, mr. oleksiy. one more topic, gentlemen, is the announced, announced decision by zelenskyi on spiritual independence from russia, which the verkhovna rada of ukraine, as you know, must consider bill in the second reading on banning the activities of the russian church in ukraine, and

churches, let's say, russian churches in ukraine, zelenskyi says that... that there will be a solution, and it will strengthen spiritual independence from moscow, let's listen to what zelenskyi said. i just held a preparatory meeting about a decision that will strengthen our ukrainian spiritual independence. we must deprive moscow of its last opportunities, limit the freedom of ukrainians, and the solutions for this must be 100% effective and really work. we'll... provide them, sir valery, we are talking about a bill in the second reading, or could it be a decision of the national security council to ban the uoc? well, i think that right now zelenskyy wants to ride this wave, because you remember how the fachuks held hands when this law had to be passed, let me remind you what it is about, well, in fact, zelenskyy had,

for example, a friend there and , that is, the deputy head of the office of president shevir, who dealt with the issues of changing the law on languages, do you remember his interview, the first successor was a kind of office of the head of the office of the president, serhii trafimov, who was reclining, sipping tea, said that the parliament of the last convocation passed a law that split ukraine, meaning the law that actually resolved the issue in the way that could be resolved then, well, they were engaged in such things . therefore , i am in the middle, their general tactic, but now they understand that the people of ukraine do not want this kind of thing, if you banned the channels that were n then why did they take away the main channel, the one that broadcasts in every village, pops, what, these , so temporarily they did what they did in the occupied territories, don't you think ukrainians don't

understand that if, god forbid, the occupier would pass somewhere further, then the priests of the moscow church would do the same as they did near kyiv, what they did in donbas, what they did in crimea, now they are breaking up, dismantling the last church that had at least something to do with the real one. of the church, that is why we actually have a situation where zelenskyy now wants to saddle up, they are probably uncomfortable, maybe do something by law, maybe maybe they still they will still make a national security and defense council, zelensky will say, so come on, come on, and they will still vote, besides, by the way, they said such things that they are waiting, when they would not want ukraine to be slandered there in the west , because the situation there is, in fact, giving... cartridges voldemar, where are the cartridges, giving precisely to these russian propagandists, because if they show it to trump or to the alleged magatrumpists there, look, the people's deputies do not want to adopt that law, because they have there is

a problem, really then there is a problem, i.e they create problems, then they say that this problem arose where they themselves created it, so i think that zelensky will now try to ride somewhere in the wave, because ukrainians are much smarter, so we talked about trust in the authorities, the authorities think that it is trust in her, no, it's just that ukrainians are beautiful... that it is impossible to change the government now, because putin, our enemies, will use us, but to hold us for fools and hostages, well, in fact, it is short-sighted, because we saw that if the issues are not resolved from above, they will be to be decided in the way in which they were decided in the same vinnytsia or khmelnytskyi region, when people themselves entered, made those decisions themselves, which, to a certain extent , one way or another show legitimacy, why citizens, no, absolute power does not corrupt absolutely, it is squatting i refuted bernard's show. it is not the government that corrupts, but the fools who come to power, i quote, for those who are censoring us there now, i quote, fools come to power, they corrupt the government, bernard show,

but, no one censors us, they can just monitor us and decode and set the table obviously certain offices. thank you, mr. valery, mr. oleksiy, what do you think, what kind of decision is this on spiritual independence, will it be before, not... independence, the decision of the council, or will it be the decision of the national security council? well, i want to remind you about the church bill, it was submitted to the parliament back in january of the 23rd year, and it was a government bill to implement the decision of the national security council and in accordance with the presidential decree, that is , we imagine that such bills should be adopted extremely quickly, in a matter of weeks or counted months, decisions. nbu decree president, this did not happen, and now again, i will remind you that this is a bill that is placed on two pages, only two

pages, one fundamental amendment, that's all, that is , there is nothing to refine, rewrite and everything else, and according to this bill there was a consensus in the parliament, it dragged on for a year and seven months, and now the head of state comes out and says, we will make a principled decision, you know, i heard, my eyes were round. the only thing i wanted to ask, mr. president, is who delayed the passage of this bill for a year and seven months. your team in parliament was artificially delayed. i agree, i recall stefanchuk's words that there are no votes for this bill in the parliament. by the way, i believe that the speaker should apologize to his colleagues, people's deputies, to ukrainian society, for deception, for deliberate deception. what is the reason for this? the bill, why was it delayed, because in the parliament there are two groups of the former opposition platform for life, which vote with the government as a whole, so we conducted

a huge study, analyzed all the bills and analyzed who was in favor of them voted, the servant of the people, the parliamentary trust group and two groups of the former opzh, de facto, this is an informal coalition in the parliament, because the mono majority itself does not provide votes, and that is why this law. perek became a hostage of such friendship with the opposition platform for life, and now they are trying to sell us, to lead the process, we will applaud the president, who finally initiated that his team consider this issue in parliament, but unfortunately, we lost precious time, we lost one and a half years, and for these year and a half, in fact, i am convinced that the vast majority of parishes of the uoc mp could already painlessly, without problems, become part of the orthodox church of ukraine. the process could already be going and approaching completion, because

there was an emotional upsurge. people held meetings, people voted, people wanted transitions, but there were no legal grounds for this, the authorities lost precious one and a half years of time, and our key task is that at least 80% of the representatives of the uocmp should transfer to the orthodox church of ukraine. it can be, by the way, enough painless process, but i am afraid that it will be artificially slowed down again and the process may be delayed. for years and even decades, or else they will break firewood. we have to conclude, god grant that such a decision be made, if it is appropriate to mention god here in this situation, god grant that this decision be made. valery dymov and oleksiy koshal were guests of our program today. thank you, gentlemen, for participating in the program, during the program we conducted a survey, asking you whether the servant of the people party, in your opinion, would support the banning of the russian orthodox church in ukraine. the final results of our television survey: 31%, yes,

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